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True but he'll be really caught off guard if hit with an invisible force wall, a laser beam, being pulled in closer or when he releases a black sphere into the sky that's drawing him and the earth closer to it. He'll survive both no matter the strength but if he gets caught in planetary devastation(btw if Sasuke says that out loud Vegeta might get worried and think he's a lot stronger than he's letting on) he could cast amaterasu and when Vegeta breaks out get out on fire. Eventually he'll die from that and of course try to put it out but if he lands any serious attack both will take serious damage to be killed. If his scouter tells him they're weak he'll not go all out at first to try abd enjoy the fight like he did against Goku. If he does that for too long they'll figure out, or at least sasuke or kurama since they're both smarter than Naruto, what he can and can't do pretty quick. Then the avatar/susanoo will make him think of ozaru and maybe get scared, 2k clones will get his a bit scared(especially if it's after he saw nappa fight and know normally clones decrease the power and get even more cocky), Kirin might be good if he doesn't see it coming, Naruto absorbing more nature energy to get even stronger, sasuke teleporting/swapping places with attacks like they have a lot of ways to kill vegeta or catch him off guard that it's not crazy to assume they could do it. Just if he figures out they have a say to kill him quickly or do a lot of damage that doesn't kill him, they won't last much longer.

@@Aaroncarter95 yeah it's also arguable if vegeta can even be pulled or pushed away by Shinra tensei. 6 tails Naruto resisted Deva path's shinra tensei so we know raw power can overcome it. Vegeta being much stronger physically than Sasuke, it's quite possible a chibaku tensei is like how your hand feels when water is draining from the sink and you're doing dishes lol

Are you kidding me? Heres the areas for intelligence: 1. Strategy/tactical ability 2. Manipulation 3. Jutsu creation 4. Jutsu learning 5. Overall knowledge

@@momotheone9700 I was just naming what these characters specialized in. Not what order the characterization is in. The list I made is what characters I think could outsmart the one below them.

I'd put Minato and Kakashi and maybe Sasuke there.

@@AlanJia8 would you put them above the ones I listed or right under? What would be your top 5?

@@CodemanDBZ I think my top 5 is 1. Itachi 2. Minato 3. Shikamaru 4. Tobirama 5. Kakashi Although it's pretty interchangeable

sasuke would see it coming with his sharingan and avoid it

@@lufa7886 sure bro just like you can dodge bullets if you see the trigger

@@lokkiirl4793 sasuke and active susanoo instantly. he doesn’t need to weave hand signs

@@lufa7886 you really unironically think Vegeta doesnt punch through the Susano like Tsunade and A broke Madaras Susano ? XD

@@lokkiirl4793 lol no i’m just trolling

Yeah that is a good argument with the universal scaling do to momoshiki and kaguya but a lot of people dont wanna face it

Hapi debunked that u should watch his vid’s in it and they debated and hapi won

@@too_official6194 it’s not that it’s just people like hapi have debunked this and this vid was made way before that I mean u can debate Seth if u want 👀

@@unlimitedz2.014 it’s not debunked lmao feats are feats clown Hapi got thrashed in a debate

@@too_official6194 I watched the entire debate hapi won it was even said that hapi won like what do U mean

How so? I would like to see them talk about it after having changed their minds. Do you remember where you saw that?

@@natman2939 they had did a stream a long time ago about screen rant or something with dumb naruto lists and there was a question that popped up about saiyan saga goku vs baryon mode naruto and swag kage and Seth said naruto wouldn't even need baryond mode to stomp saiyan saga goku and not to mention he has scaling of momoshiki and kaguya being star level and naruto and sasuke scales above both of them and saiyan saga vegeta is only planet level plus.

@@manigaultdeante saiyan saga vegeta legit survived a star lvl spirit bomb...

@@hloi4545 there is no proof of that it was only stated that goku could draw energy from stars by king kai now in the the dbz original anime filler goku got energy from planets and stars to beat frieza

@@manigaultdeante we can actually debate on disc. So can you give it ?