Rock lee vs momoshiki

@swagkage Can you do a what if hinata was in team 7 in part 1 I know a lot of factors change because of that but I would love to hear your opinion on how the arc would have went

Swag how did you upload a video in the span of like a month

Jiraya vs kisame vs battle please!!

@Swagkage Today I had a dream that we had lunch together and I told you that I periodically binge-watch your videos during stressful periods of my life. I have actually been binge-watching your Naruto videos for the past couple of weeks.

Like for real though lmao

Seriously tho

Kakashi would probably tell him because the third hokage would be dead

You think that's dirty think what they did to naruto almost everyone loved minato but instead of accepting his kid they literally shunned him and no one told him the truth about his heritage until he found out about it himself including jariaya minatos teacher who was extremely close to minato and kakashi who was minatos only remaining student who was also extremely close to minato there's no reason one of them couldn't have at least helped raise naruto

ONE JOB

Oh lol

but imagine this.. itachi never had the will to heal himself. orochimaru the mad scietist couldve done something and better yet. orochimaru wouldve probably manipulated sasuke easier if he was in itachis body. would probably be easier for him to transfer to sasuke sooner too

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@@coolranch_handsome_doritoz You

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hmm, that sounds familiar. Wonder why though

@@razovic527 I can't...

The fact that this is probably the case is painful. Just remember, the only reason orochimaru didn’t get sasu body is because Zetsu didn’t make it to happen.

They did madara dirty

Checks out, Uchiha+senju DNA

Yeah but people would find out about it, itachi would go to kill him and then when itachi dies then obito or pain goes to try and deal with him and then when they die then Konoha would believe it’s a threat and other nations would find out and they would try and search for him because he’s already a criminal but now he doesn’t have to hide so he’ll probably go from lab to lab and kill whoever gets in his way, he wouldn’t have to sneak around anymore

@@holydemon1373 HELP! I ask around: Can anyone recommend me a Power-Scaler, specialized on Anime and Cartoons, who i dont know yet? I more specifically search for someone covering Wakfu and Fairy Tail's Zeref.

@@nenmaster5218 probably Seththeprogrammer LOL

@@nenmaster5218 have you tried the google search bar?

@@MasquedJustice Yes, duh. Duh much?

Def nigga

So true

Swagkage and Seth the programmer are keeping the naruto fandom alive!

Yup

@Itachi Is superior to you facts lol

Lmaooooo

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@@antagonist1038 😐😐😐😐

hey leave bigcock swag alone

Absolute gold

bruh he got hashirama cells and sasuke's genjutsu mastery. mans could rinne-rebirth and just control whoever tf he revives

Check mate

Orochimarus body couldn't handle Sage mode but kabutos body with merely orochimarus cells can? Can you explain how that makes sense

@@sethmo9 hashirama cells

@@Dragonlord826 ahhhh, completely forgot he was also experimenting with hashirama cells on himself not just solely orochimarus

wait since, he got the indra stuff and the hashirama cells, it was bound for orochimaru to gain the rinnegan right? maybe in about 50 yrs

@@nicmagtaan1132 That's debatable, since it may have to be the indra and ashura reincarnations of that current generation rather than just any indra and ashura reincarnations. So to awaken the rinnegan he may have had to get Naruto's cells, though I doubt that would be hard.

@Redi Beaux ehhhhh, even then it's debatable. This is madara we're talking about.

@Redi Beaux He wouldnt be able to achieve the EMS, so Amaterasu is out of the question. Meaning Blaze Style, Sasuke's possible most op ability would be inaccessible to Orochimaru. Also, Madara far outclasses Orochimaru in raw chakra power, and with the rinnegan he beats Orochimaru in just about every way since the Rinnegan makes Orochimaru's vast amount of ninjutsu practically useless. If they were to fight, Madara would body Orochimaru for a warmup lol.

@@dingdawng I mean if he killed ltachi which if he had ms shariengan and sage mode it’s very likely in orochimaru favor which by then he would quickly gain power so I wouldn’t say it’s a stomp

LMAO

Would be funny but I think it’s pretty clear from Sasuke’s discovery of it that it just kinda happens instinctually.

@@WeMissDimebag true, but what if

LMAO 🤣

What he would be missing tho is the sound effect in that situation

Walks outside and looks up to see Itachi full Mangeyko Sharingan out Kabuto: Oh Shi- Immediately dies to Amatarasu

@@antman1001000 Like what does Kabuto even do in that scenario? 😂 He doesn't have sage mode or his summons, and his best feat was beating a heavily nerfed Tsunade, easily the weakest Hokage... Kabuto is at Itachi's mercy. 😂

@@jacobday3826 Kabuto was on par with kakashi don't make it seem like he weak

@@johnoz2284 You mean the same Kakashi Itachi beat by looking at him? Itachi didn't even have to touch him and Kakashi was hospitalized for days...

@@jacobday3826 bruh Itachi overrated plus kakashi had to worry bout asuma and kurenai asses. Not saying kakashi could outright beat him but I'm just saying he could put up more of a fight

ROFLLLLLLLL

LMFAO

yup basically

This is the most likely outcome.

No

I'd fw that.

YESSS PLZ I MISS WHEN OROCHIMARU WAS BADASS

@@spoopy8514 Yeah that would be great because it wouldnt be pedo immortal creepy snake man and he could add more to the plot.

Not gonna happen, unfortunately. Except Kishi has fallen out of love with Sasuke. Then there's a very small chance.

He keeps the Snake eyes and Guyliner right?

It's funny how they don't know who you are a ha ha

@@frankaxe6700 I’m friends with MJ and Swag my guy. They know who I am

@@CarthusDojo I also just realised that I used to watch you years ago damn

@@frankaxe6700 get wreckd

@@frankaxe6700 You’re so wrong

lmao i just imagined him snorting some drugs and start fucking crying

Very true or hed put himself into a genjutsu that would simulate that emotion needed or situations

Tobirama, I believe, did say that the activation of Sharingan was triggered by the emotional center of the brain via neurotransmitters or something. Orochomaru's specialty is researching Jutsu and Kekkei Genkai, figuring out their properties, and enhancing them, usually through body modification... I could see him doing that...

@@alihamarat8549 LOL

That seems reasonable.

Yo u made me laugh just imagining Kabuto stepping out and all he sees is a rushing Itachi before he gets fuckin blitzed

@@kiyomi5583 I picture that meme where Jason Mamoa is sneaking up on Henry Cavill

I wonder if Itachi would stomp on his glasses and diss Kabuto's vision

It is hilarious to think that Kabuto would just walk out of the door only to get himself killed with an amaterasu straight to the face.

@@kiyomi5583Itachi jumpscare

Only took 6 years to find out

@Itachi Is superior to you you DO realize no one cares, right?

Swagkage is a beast i would let him punch my buttons anytime

Nah bruh. Hes got to walk a fine line, you cant just pump out content that is lackluster or else you'll fall into the trap of having to upload twice a day 365 in order to get your view count to where it was

I want to give all of you hugs

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he only fangirled for ocular KG to be fair to him😅

@@damage678 DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO RUIN THE JOKE

@@globgblobgabgalab how did he ruin it?

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then kill itachi and get ems

Above that 😂 he’s actually stronger than Jigen.. actually Isshiki

I zoned out and apparently now Orochimaru is Madara and Hashirama level? 😂😂😂

Well everything good possible happens lol Madara becoming Hokage best thing that could happen

Facts. Orochimaru can be as strong as he wants but man's isn't standing a chance against Itachi. He already got clapped by Itachi as a early teen and that was with him having Hashirama Cells in his body already. If yoy get clapped that hard while having Hashi-Cells in your body you need to sit the hell down sir.

@@kaimobley5324 yeah plus itachi has the totska blade which seals anything

@@kaimobley5324 he doesnt have hashirama cells tf

@@b_salvador5584 yes he does. He's always had them. And when Orochimaru got his jutsu back even Hashirama himself could tell that his cells were in him

I mean itachi would of been much qeaker and orochimaru could of just hide from him tell he master his new body

thats a great what if scenario.. as manipulative as orochimaru was, and how emotionally distrubed nagato was.. it wouldve made for a great alternate universe

Nagato was still too powerful

Swagkage should see your comment. Hopefully that's a future video

Orochimaru would 100% steal his body

@@davidrush9961 yeah when orochimaru offered to end their suffering and kill them Nagato would have just killed him most likely

Gets a renigan arm, lol

man.. if hagoromo saw through the curse mark, he would see sasuke being held "mentally/spiritually" by orochimaru.. its like seeing your incarnated son manipulated by an androgenous adult

@@paulocuento9949 hagomoro would just use the human path and rip out oro's soul fixing everything

@@egorapter yeah but the hostage taking and child abuse would still make daddy hagoromo tear

@@paulocuento9949 what

@The Zoom It's not funny anymore...

@The Zoom ( ͡° _ ͡°)

@The Zoom why do I see this type of comment every where?

@@AndrewAce. she really did though, because of how useless she is, she drained all of Sasukes chakra making Sarada

@@jaydenc367 I started it then it spreaded 🤷‍♂️

@The Zoom you’re not funny kid

@@darkie1240 lol like wth. That rule 34 energy belongs elsewhere.

@@bringinthedope5929 fr

@Michael Curtis like who?

@@afuckingturtle1489 Orochimaru, Kimimaru, Itachi, Nagato are the top one to come to my mind.

@@dementiamaster2 They're the one thing that don't care how powerful you are. I wouldn't be surprised if Hashirama died to one as well. (It makes far more sense than him being killed by anyone)

To be fair, that's true IRL too.

@@lordcypher5889 he died do you a lot of use of the regeneration technique that takes away at your life force which is why he died in his late 20s and his brother became hokage

That feel when suddenly Orochimaru is in OUR VERSE

@@catman9222 feeling

@@catman9222 but he used to be, his name in our universe was Micheal Jackson

Keyword “Almost” lmao

I’m just glad I’m not the only narutard in existence. The only time I see naruto being talked about is when it’s being collectively shit on Edit: omg! I gotta like from swagkage I never thought this would actually happen! Edit 2: never mind

He posted 3 times in under 2 months this is what I like to see

Real question is orochimaru male or female🤷

There's Naruto explained too. If you're looking for channels that do Naruto stuff

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The only problem I see is that a lot of the sharingan’s powers stem from a strong emotional response. Orochimaru is the most emotionless person

@@victorampo1137 yeah, Swagkage mentions that in the video too. I don't think it's impossible that Orochimaru would have figured out a way around that or if nothing else maybe go on a rampage against the remainder of his relationships, lol, in the hopes it'll do the trick. Kabuto, Tsuande, Jiraiya, Anko, etc.

Bonus point if on top of each head, protected by the susanoo armor, stand the best selection of edo-tensei zombie he can make. And if he's really to much of a psychopath for to unlock the MS by the natural method, he could (and probably would) use drugs, hormones or whatever he can come-up with to artificially induce the reaction needed.

@@Al-manidae i didn't even think of drugs, haha, but yeah, totally. lol, I wonder if he edo-tensi his own old bodies and be able to tap his own skills and abilities.

@@MarMar-zj8tf He can't. To edo-tensei someone their soul has to be available (that was the point of having to go to the uzumaki shrine to free the Hokages souls). And since the souls of the bodies he take over are trapped in his own, even after he change again (we see them when Sasuke beat Orochimaru), he can't edo-tensei them.

My thoughts exactly

Thanks bro yeah soul eater goated

Nine tails, end of story

Then his eyes snap to attention while his tongue flies out his mouth, wraps around Naruto's throat. Then you just hear that scumbag laugh lol

Absolute apeshit

@@yujjgui5943 If you want more Soul Eater, you should read the Manga, it changes a lot since the Second Arc. It's really good

Dude how the Japanese voice actor says Itachis name after he gets his arm cut off 😂😂😂😂

Stg. Got his shit rocked 😂😂😂

Ah yes the clan version of getting your shit kicked in

@Easty why are you being an asshole about it? It’s clearly a joke, you’re just too much of a fun killing psy to get it LOL.

@Easty but stay mad ig

Sorry about your bad day. Hopefully, you get some rest, and tomorrow is easier.

@Spidey Uchiha Da fuck lol 🤣

@Spidey Uchiha That was like her lifetime goal

Technically he can already do that or could at that time.

He wudve unlocked the rinnengan

@@inchyokk not necessarily. Even Madara of all people didn't unlock it until shortly prior to his death. And he was at least in his late 20's to mid 30's when he fought Hashirama at the Final Valley.

@@inchyokk he can’t even unlock ms how would he you can’t unlock ms from being happy

If he gets rinnegan just if hagoromo will give naruto like 25% of his power and he’ll punch the air and do a wind style thing then his head is knocked off

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@@shinixgamitm8315 lol

like zabuzas first fight with kakashi vs the second fight

So what you're saying is, the third died because Ebisu is a massive fucking Jiraiya simp.

Hiruzen still didn’t say that I wish Jiraiya was here he said I wish Minato was here. He can still be mentioned even if it’s the case.

@3rd Way Sneak 100 confirmed, Jiraiya can sneak with bright orange jumpsuit equipped.

damn thats sone real life shit he died cuz jiraiya was gettin in some chakra network lips. hahaha him and orochimaru both nasty.

Don’t let this distract you from the fact Pain thinks Sage Mode Jiraiya can handle him when Sage Naruto can’t. Sometimes I think Kishimoto is drunk.

That’s an interesting discussion

Guess they would leave very soon, if they go to Konoha at all. It would take a lot of Nagato to do so. He would only do it for the others. As soon as they realize he isn't comfortable, they would leave. I think, in general, they would not support one of the big villages that put their home into such a state. Jiraiya would know that others would recognize the Rinnegan, too, and either kill Nagato or try to use him as a weapon. And Jiraiya would know this is against the interest of the three. So I see no chance this would happen or stay that way for a longer time.

I could see that but I would assume Jiraiya would choose to stay with them at first but maybe change his mind after seeing Nagato kill the mugger to protect Koanan and Yahiko not to mention the kids knew Jiraiya was from the leaf so if they we're willing to ask him for help in the first place why wouldn't they leave with him to further ther training after spending awhile with him and the leaf was pretty safe at the time so i could see at least one of the kids enjoying the leaf

Rather than Konoha, how about if he took the three to his toadland? It's safe for them, pratically nobody knows the location and they dont resent the place for destroying their homes Just let the three train there with the frogs until they are ready and strong enough to return to their village

if he did take them to Mount Myōboku they would either have to find the hidden path or sign the summoning scroll and i think itd be more likely hed take them to the leaf so he could speak with Hiruzen but Mount Myōboku might be a good choice if Jiraiya has to get them away from Donzo

Like, the only people stopping him is maybe kcm2 Naruto, 8th gate guy, MAYBE, Madara. But he's def getting his ass slapped by the Madara with hashirama sage mode, Edo Madara, Edo Itachi, Edo nagato, and any sage of six paths character

@@dravendarkplays9607 There’s a question for you… Who do you think would win, Healthy Itachi or Healthy Kidomaru?

@@christopherfleetwood5252could healthy kimimaru beat kage summit sasuke

@@dravendarkplays9607 I doubt it, given his showing against Gaara he’s ALL close range; but that was sick Kimi.

@@christopherfleetwood5252 could healthy itachu beat five kage summit sasuke

I think he alr knew sage mode but could never use it because the bodies he used couldn’t withstand senjutsu chakra

@@duckhathap763 but with a younger body he could. Plus with sasuke being "the chosen one" it would work.

not to mention with all of that he can still do almost perfect edo tensei so Itachi and Pain aren't even an issue right from the start

Danzo got clapped by Sasuke 12 times in a row only bcus of Izanagi spam. Danzo couldn't do anything to Sasuke despite having all those eye's including Shisui's

@@kaimobley5324 I believe he could have. He just was relying way too much on the eyes because he was too busy comparing sasuke eyes to itachi eyes. And on top of that he had to worry about Tobi. I feel that if he would’ve fought all out and look to take sasuke out early he would’ve won

@@qwaunjeffires I highly doubt he would win. The justu he had got over powered to much for it to be a factor. And Tobi really wasn't doing anything during the fight. It was all Sasuke. Danzo was spamming it like crazy but even if he was more smart about it Sasuke still would've ran through his eye's anyway

@@kaimobley5324 when you watch you could see that he was saving chakra just Incase tobi jumped in. He was just too confident to me. He thought he could have beaten them. And plus he has shisui’s eye and there’s no way sasuke could handle that. He wanted to use it on tobi and that’s the reason he didn’t fight full oower

@@qwaunjeffires even if he was holding saving chakra he shouldn't have gotten manhandled like he did. Him at full power wouldn't be a outstanding power difference to the point he washes Sasuke

I don’t think he would be able to use the sharigan as well as sasuke

@@Etanki if danzo can orichimaru can

@@kwenqs danzo couldn't use shit. He didnt use even one of his eyes properly. Whats the point of having so many eyes if u lose ur life to a fucking genjustu.

No he wouldn't. He would litetally do nothing. He wouldn't even get a MS

@@prabhavdeuja6926 he couldnt get a ms given that he has never shown any qualms with killing the other members of the sannin and he has no friends

me, too. every single time i watch swag’s videos, i feel like he gets so off topic, i’m like, “we weren’t even talking about x”... but, i will always watch these and enjoy them :)

I mean sasuke ran away and became rogue... there isn’t much to think about because at that point everyone in the village hated him and considered him dead. The story would just have been naruto and itachi killing orochimaru

I guess it's two possibilities: 1. Bloodlusted Itachi kills Orochimaru. 2. Orochimaru waits for Itachi to weaken to his sickness, then takes the MS (I don't think Orochimaru would awaken the MS in Sasuke's body.) Even this is arguable though because Orochimaru doesn't know Itachi has the Totsuka Blade and YM and how does he even evade that? Let alone the fact that Itachi could probably just beat him with genjutsu again.

I mean he has to survive if he gets sasuke's body cause itachi is going to pull up. Plus I think either he or naruto explained already did a video like that

On your 2nd point, I honestly doubt Orochimaru was genuinely trying to kill Naruto. It seemed similar to how Orochimaru always fights people regardless of who they are, "You. Yeah you strong fellow. Play with me a little bit. Pretty please?"

@@SlayingSin I'll paraphrase it then, he wasn't afraid to hurt him.

Do u remeber what it was that STOPPED impure world reincarnation? It was Sharingan :3

He'd definitely get the MS although I doubt he'd get the EMS unless itachi just drops dead from his illness.

@@CH1LLS. How is he going to unlock MS though?

@Hat Hat he doesn't care about those people. His best bet would honestly be kabuto and even then thats a stretch.

@@CH1LLS. Tobirama mentioned that unlocking MS was a chemical reaction brought on by the brain releasing a special kind of chakra, so what if because Orochimaru's a borderline sociopath he just finds out a way to chemically/manually activate them instead of emotionally like the rest of the Uchiha did

@@malcolmpul4409 exactly. That's the type of stuff id expect him to do.

Kabuto got defeated by Izanami, not Kotoamatsukami & who knows if Kotoamatsukami or Izanami would even work on Orochimaru since the bodies he used until then all rejected him after 3 years then died.

@AngelKnightZeo713 I mean Kabuto got caught off guard by the Kotoamatsukami and lost all control of Itachi. I think Kotoamatsukami would work on Sasukemaru as it was initially going to be used on the WHOLE Uchiha clan to stop the coup de tat (one of which was Fugaku) who had the MS. And you can't really defend against the Izanami if you don't know anything about it like Kabuto. I couldn't imagine Sasukemaru using Izanagi either (if he could) and risk losing a precious MS eye which is the main reason Orochimaru was so dead set on getting Sasukes body was to aquire the Sharingan. It would dash his hopes of defeating Itachi if he did use it.

yes he is great character

But i hate itachi

I reported you for saying itachi sucks

@@DizzyCarr I report u for saying itachi wins to pain

@@itachisucks6693 itachi a great character

Fuuuuuck man that's a good one!!

Don’t both eyes have the same power so it be the same?

@@superblackcat13 no they don’t do the same thing

@@kiddeath8883 I mean obito and kakashi both have Kamui, I guess just different functions? Left eye can pull ppl into kamui from a distance while right eye has to be up close or can keep parts of their body in the kamui dimension.

Left eye can kamui external objects, right eye only kamuis your physical body, so if Kakashi had the right eye tbh he would've done better against Pain if he could kamui his own body instead of outside objects.

While you're right, and it is an amp, it's not a fixed value amp. The curse marks are a bootleg sage mode, so you would get a proportional value the same way you would from Sage Mode, but it's just based on chakra levels and not any of your other stats.

@@tminusboom2140 you're a genius, and the show also proves your theory, sasukes curse 2 stage in the Diedra fight and orochimaru fight, looks completely different then the curse 2 vs itachi, the curse 2 vs itachi was wayyy smaller to the point he had no wings and sasuke also kept his clothing in tact the shirt as well, so your theory is genuis and correct

If it was 10x isn't that kinda op? Like imagine juubimadara using that crap or isshiki or someone

And he also didnt want any drawbacks like kakashi

I don’t think he knew Sasuke was an Indra reincarnate tho

He was jus obsessed with the Sharingan

@@Chromeheartmeel he didn't need to know about indra reincarnate to get 6paths. He thought he just needed senju plus Uchiha to awaken the rinnegan. Reason I think that is because Kabuto in the war arc says himself that he wants to learn the truth behind the sage of the 6 paths. Both he and orochimaru where trying to uncover the "secret of the world" and "learn everything about the world". Little did he know he was just simping for some aliens 🤣

@@france_d_robin fair, if he looked into it he definitely woulda found out shit and possibly awakened a rinnegan lol

Bruh 3 vids in 1 month is not a hiatus for swag, it's peak productivity.

@@laurierhebert-jodoin5716 exactly. I’m impressed with swag this month. Especially if he’s gonna keep trying to upload more often.

He would’ve put Orochimaru in an infinity tsukuyomi for eternity

Itachi we'll be very mad if this happen but orochimaru hand's we're taking away from hiruzen so yeah XD

@@coreysrevenge286 i think he would of put him under that genjutsu that makes one of his eyes blind and make orociharu give it back

@@keenmachine80 yeah he definitely would use Izanami on him then boom Sasuke's back gg

I don't know man, he's kinda my role modle

still is. no other villain really strikes me as like EVIL. at least in naruto

He’s not evil, he’s just selfish. To me, evil is the inflicting of pain and suffering for no reasoom

I mean to me when I hear the words evil or Orochimaru when I was younger. I feel a chill down my spine, hear the akatsuki theme in the background and think of him.

@@Overrated7901 Why not just hear orochimaru theme when thinking about orochimaru

Good one. Chewbacca tensei and Saucery are my favorites. Lol

You missed modest rods

*H e a t o n a n d c a u c a s u s*

I love it

Thx

A logical assumption, but even him with a regular three tomoe is already dangerous enough. We see madara destroy a quarter of an army with just taijutsu and a regular sharingan, he would be a huge threat at least on the strength level of someone such as itachi because of all the visual and genjutsu buffs

I wonder if it’d be stagnant too bc it’s implied that the sharingan keeps getting stronger with pain even if it’s not evolving but it’s never explicitly stated

@@isaaceyfish Madara spent his entire life watching his relatives die in war for many years since childhood. He’s a different case. Sasuke had his trauma experience in the massacre and has his 3 tomoe. Orochimaru was a kid that always wondered what it feels like to watch the world burn. He wouldn’t be as powerful as people think. Itachi would still no diff him because he’s blood lusted at that point and would try to track down Orochimaru. Orochimaru would be stronger then Hebi sasuke, but not enough for a blood lusted Itachi that says I should’ve killed you when I could’ve, now I will. Orochimaru wouldn’t have intel on Itachi’s susanoo lol.

Take Kakashi for example, the eye was given to him, and he had to experience trauma to awaken it to the next level. What trauma would orochimaru experience? He’s been a broken man since the 2nd great ninja war.

A lot of people r confusing me in this comment section yall forgetting that Orochimaru literally lost both of his parents In a was which caused him huge emotional distress to the point that he feared death and slowly became a mad scientist not to mention being in two! Great Shinobi wars where he watched numerous comrades die including watching Tsunade suffering that visibly disturbed him. Orochimaru wasn't born a Monster he is result of years of truma him also losing Kimimaro damn made him go insane killing Hiruzen one of the only people he loved and respected to point that OROCHIMARU actually cried. Dude would probably awaken the MS as soon as he activated the damn Sharingan 😂 I know people just see Orochimaru as this psychopath but no hes more complex than that. In many ways hes extremely similar to Madara who was also forced to start killing from a young age both grew up in times of war

Course not.

they would both end up dying but Orochimaru can just come back

Well he allowed Sasuke training Orochimaru and Orochimaru clearly had the intention of killing Sasuke the whole time.

Seriously, Jiraiya was almost certainly trying to subdue the four tails without actually hurting Naruto. We don’t know any of the circumstances to that fight to judge his capabilities. All we really have is Jiraiya fighting Pain, and Pain saying it would have been a more difficult fight if Jiraiya knew the secret. Meanwhile, Orochimaru bitched out of the Akatsuki after one encounter with Itachi. Its a fairly reasonable extrapolation to say a guy giving Pain a decent fight is stronger than someone who immediately gave up on fighting Itachi ever again after one loss.

@@Kendreyek I agree, and honestly, without genjutsu, I don’t see itachi being stronger than orochimaru combat wise, based on feats we’ve seen. I’m not downplaying itachi at all, I mean he did shit stomp orochimaru, but at the same time, orochimaru had no way of knowing how potent Itachis genjutsu was.

@@Kendreyek kishimotos writing was kinda funky at times XD

I totally agree with you guys

@@yuri7194 itachi didn’t use tsukuyomi against oro he used base genjutsu.

So we all forgetting how he made shin uchia have mangeyo

@@ImCravenMore 💀

We already got adult Sasuke vs Madara, and Jigen is way stronger than adult sasuke, so the outcome of that fight is clear.

LMAO jigen would make madara his bitch

@@ma2443 yes. Jigen would bend Madara down and slap him in the ass so hard, that Madara dies...

@@SatorisYT if it wasent for plot and black zestu dident hoe madera and he took all the chakra from the world using infinite tsukiyomi madera might stand a chance against jigen

@@Gpoeit momoshiki has eaten dozens of chakra fruits from dozens of planets. That means momoshiki alone has dozens of times more chakra than a planet would. Jigen is a metric f$%k ton stronger than fused momoshiki, who is already way stronger than base momoshiki, who is already stronger than kaguya, who is already like, twice as strong as madara. Madara + the chakra of a single planet wouldn't even be a match for kaguya, let alone jigen...