Nintendo has fixed most (but not all) of these issues in the 2.0 update; I'd like to revisit the service down the road and do a followup video, but for now it's encouraging to see that they are taking the feedback seriously.

"Worst backlash they get is getting dislikes on a KZfaq video" THEY WON'T EVEN GET THAT ANYMORE! WHAT KIND OF WORLD ARE WE LIVING IN

I like how the IGN guy says that fog was too intensive for the Switch hardware when it was literally in the N64 original.

"now they're even a decade behind their own emulator" this is probably the largest kick in the nuts. also, to anyone defending with "it's not that bad." i would be inclined to agree...*iff* nintendo weren't charging extra for it, let alone 2.5x the price of normal online, which is a bit lackluster as is

Honestly I think it's totally fair to expect companies with access to the source code, original documentation, and dev kits (both for the source console and target console), massive budgets, and the best hardware engineers and programmers they can find produce at least a more accurate emulator than even the most dedicated fans. Reverse engineering console hardware is orders of magnitude harder than working with the original development resources. I can't even fathom how many corners Nintendo would have to be cutting to get results like this, it's unacceptable to me even as someone who prefers to give the benefit of the doubt.

A wise man once said: "Imagine paying for switch online. Fucking cringe lol"

Hearing that Nintendo quite literally has more money than they know what to do with is simaultaneously really funny and really depressing.

I'll never understand blindly defending a corporation. Ive always gravitated towards PlayStation and Nintendo because I like the games more, but I've never had any bad will towards Microsoft, and I've definitely never blindly defended Sony or Nintendo when they fuck up. We should hold companies accountable for knowingly screwing their customers.

"The Sword and Shield trees look worse than Ocarina of Time's Trees!" Ninty: Ah, so the issue is OoT looks too good?

The couple trading their baby for the online service is editing gold.

...I have NEVER noticed that Link's reflection disappears before the Dark Link battle. Goddamn, their attention to detail was amazing.

Wow, I forgot the Wii had a fully functioning Gamecube within it, complete with controller ports and memory card slots. I shouldn't be impressed by that over a decade later but I am.

Fog being broken is totally unacceptable, since it is a part of nearly every single N64 game, and the reason for that is because the N64 was not powerful enough to render far off stuff so they covered it up by adding fog. It's quite literally in there to cover up issues with the system's limitations, so if you take it out you make nearly every game that uses it look significantly worse.

OOT runs better on my Android phone than it does on Switch.

I really wish every emulation scene had a Dolphin equivilant. Just one "perfect" option that everyone rallied around to make it as good as it can be

Back in the Wii U era, we had Mr. Iwata, a man who cared enough to make sure issues like these never happened, or at the very least, were fixed very shortly after. Remember when he cut his own salary in half to prevent layoffs when the 3DS didn't sell well? Nintendo has become much darker and greedier since Iwata's unfortunate departure.

_"Companies can't compete with fan-made emulators"_ They could... you know... pay them? 😂

"Just don't buy the thing until you know the thing is good." The industry would be in a much better place if more people heeded such simple advice.

The fact you pointed out that the specular reflections are broken is horrifying to me because if I hadn’t known they were broken, I would have assumed they always looked like that because everything was janky at the time.

Hey Nerrel, thank you for not letting the 'just enjoy it crowd' get off scott-free. I used to be a Nintendo AND Sega simp and I'm big enough to say, I was wrong about modders and emulation. After learning about emulation from talented and incredibly smart content creators I got red-pilled and grew up when it came to shortcuts Nintendo and its moneygrubbing competitors have been taking for years. And that's why they demonize emu and mod communities: because fans always do it better than the companies. Thanks for your work in your videos.

nintendo: proving gabe newell's "piracy is a service problem" quote to be right since before he even said it in the first place

nerrel the soothing monotone critqúe we need.

The layering of two loaded textures to create a new one while saving memory is a really cool trick, I had no idea about that. Shame that it and so many other effects are messed up on the online service.

I actually like the Super Mario 64 port. With my drifting joycons, it allows me to tap into my terrible childhood skills, getting me a more nostalgic experience!

"There's only two things certain in life, Nintendo F*cking up emulation, and Nerrel calling them out for it" -Benjamin Franklin

I assume this will come up, so I'll address it now- I double checked that GlideN64 was accurate enough for these comparisons by checking against angrylion's LLE graphics. In every case it was, so I had no reservations about using it to represent the OG visuals. Also, a dataminer has confirmed to me that yes, Nintendo used a LUA hack to remove the Winback memory pak warning.

The best part of this whole thing is that it's a mandatory year, no monthly. There's no trial. Meaning that once people subscribe, and they will bc it's Nintendo, they aren't obligated to put in any extra effort for the rest of the year. Doesn't matter if you're not playing it. I don't even think it matters that much of next year's round of subscription are far lower, they would have made their money already.

first he predicts the price tier of the 64 games, then he preditcs goldeneye online, nerrel, can you predict a new, better, backwards compatible nintendo switch? for science

Microsoft deserves the biggest round of aplause on this regard, they're literally the only big company willing to preserve their legacy going all the way back to the Original xbox on modern hardware

According to Modern Vintage Gamer, apparently back on the Wii they had a dedicated N64 porting team for this stuff that was carried over from the Gamecube versions of OoT. These folks would do per-game work with their emulation, to make sure everything at least played mostly right for such a time. The guy in charge then left Nintendo shortly around the Wii U era, and since then Nintendo's thrown universal emulation at the problem with LUA scripts to handle per-game fixes, which combine together to result in this sloppy mess where nothing works consistently.

"And then there just striaght up fucking bugs." 5:46 The way Nerrel said it and the Mario 64 Bowser Boss ost made that statement all the more satisfying.

This time, I don't think that Nintendo's getting away with this. Switch Online Base had the excuse that "it's the only way to play online multiplayer on the Switch." Since the price is so much higher, the quality is so poor, and that many of the games in the Expansion Pack are available in a better state elsewhere on Switch, I don't see this doing that well, especially being a premium option. But you can never doubt Nintendo die-hards, it may do well.

Wow, the closing 'skit' is absolutely incredible and deserves to be released as it's own video. I feel like a lot of people won't make it far enough to enjoy that masterpiece.

Graphics programmer here: fog (at least the way it's done in OOT) is not an expensive process. It's extremely cheap. They weren't running volumetric fog simulation with Ray marching and junk like you might get in a modern game. It's just a function that blends a pixel towards a color based on its distance from the camera. The reason it causes problems is that it's dependant on you emulating the graphics setup correctly and passing the right buffers around to the right places. Which can be difficult, because the N64 used an architecture that's very different from the architecture found in modern devices, and the rendering of these games likely used a lot of tricks that were very hardware specific to squeeze out performance

Nintendo is the Disney of video games at this point. Ppl just need to stop kissing Nintendo's fucking ass, it's completely okay to be critical of a company and still enjoy their products, but at the same time ya gotta put your money where ya mouth is and show them, "hey fix this problem and we'll be willing to buy it once it's fixed" and shit like that

6:48 made me literally laugh out loud. Thank you for that good belly laugh.

With the money that they’re asking, Nintendo’s attempt is just pathetic. I’ll stick to using custom firmware.

I could listen to Nerrel talk about Emulation all day. He always hits the nail on the head with these topics.

Did you know Nintendo's new president used to work at The Pokemon Company? Just found that interesting.

So, from what I’ve seen and heard, the reason the GameCube and Wii’s Virtual Console games were so good (at least, compared to Nintendo’s current VC) was because the guy who ported them over did it on a game by game basis. Since there were only just a few games that needed brought over, they decided to do them individually, which allowed them to make sure they ran as intended. But he left around the Wii U era, and Nintendo decided instead of porting them individually, it would be easier to make an all-encompassing emulator to run these games, which is why they’re so much worse on Wii U. They didn’t put in the time, effort, and resources into crafting a good emulator, and just put one together that worked enough to play the games. If I remember correctly, it even has code running in real-time to patch bugs and glitches caused by the emulator, making it run even worse. And of course, nothing changed when porting it to Switch. I 100% agree that Nintendo shouldn’t have to live up to the emulators that have had decades of work put into them, with entire communities dedicated to figuring out piece by piece how these old consoles worked. But Nintendo’s not even putting up a fight; they have the time, money, and resources to make a decent, or even good emulator for the Switch. It doesn’t need to offer anything special, or even have detailed settings to tweak. All they really need to do is run the games as intended on the Switch, and offer good online play, and it’s an instant buy for a majority of people. Because what Nintendo lacks in features they can make up for in convenience. You don’t have to scour the web and figure out how to set up and emulator and map controls and download drivers and ISOs and netcode, the heavy lifting is already done. Sure, it *IS* the better way to play and always will be due to how customizable you can make it, but YOU have to put that work and effort into getting it all up and running, and not everyone is up to do that. You can spend hours, days, or even weeks setting up your entire N64 library on your PC at your desired specs, versus downloading the N64 app on your Switch in a few minutes and start playing Mario Kart with your siblings online. Nintendo is in a prime position to make a ton of money while pleasing a bunch of people, yet they under delivered so hard, I’m pretty sure it helped influence KZfaq to remove the public dislike count. I just hope they actually fix it like they’re saying and not just give it a new coat of paint without addressing the main issues.

The most baffling takes I saw regarding the price and hardcore defense of Nintendo's Expansion Pack was "It's cheaper that it's competitors". Meanwhile Game Pass already exceeds the Switch Online offerings and they work. And today I learned that Link loses his reflection in the Dark Link room.

Like most bad games, ports, remasters, or emulators. The biggest problem isn't the lack of quality, its the amount you're expected to pay for it too

I thank you for being one of the few to properly contextualize the amount of work that goes into fan projects, and demonstrating the issue isn't that the emulation isn't as good as a decades old labor of love and charity, but that they seemingly didn't try to accomplish the bare minimum past getting the game to run in general.

11:57 And now they don't have to worry about *that* either.

Sadly this lashing out against any critique is starting to be more widespread. Same behaviour i seen with GTA Trilogy Definitive Edition, its some moronic "counter-culture' of "protecting" companies from "entitled fanboys/gamers". It's saddening.... especiallty seeing how horrible situation around modern game development is, being even more leniant an enabling laziness and negligence of publishers while they charge more and more money for worse content

"They recently shared that Switch has made so much more money than expected that they have to figure out new ways to spend it." I know how you can spend that money, Nintendo! Dedicated multiplayer servers!

11:29 this has now happened

The death of satoru iwata and its consequences have been a disaster for nintendo fans.

Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing when people try to defend Nintendo's shortcomings. It is a real problem, and I'm glad I didn't invest. I actually want to thank you for introducing me to better avenues and getting me more invested in emulation. I look forward to putting together your MMHD texture mod.

honestly, as far as emulation goes, I think the ideal situation would be for game companies to cooperate with fan emulation projects and try to make them compatible with their own game consoles, and then just sell the ROMs on whatever digital storefront they have. This probably won't happen, but it sounds like the simplest solution.

Who’s here after Nintendo announced goldeneye with online multiplayer

7:12 you didn’t fuck it up as badly. The fog still works

I think you’re right on in criticizing Nintendo as being cheap rather than the devs for being lazy. People have a serious problem with failing to blame the people in charge just cause they feel remote. I got it, I enjoy it, but I’d like to see them take the criticism seriously.

as you said, they saddest part of all this is that this is a "premium" service with a price closer to PS and Xbox services. Y'know, when the switch had the "oh but it's cheaper" excuse

Version 2.0 seems to have fixed a lot. Water Temple is completely fixed now, fog as a whole is back in both OOT and SM64, the Watt bugs in Paper Mario are gone, even the alpha textures have seemingly been fixed. Obviously the service shouldn't have launched like it did, but it's good to see a lot is being done to actively improve the package like was the case with 3D All Stars.

Nintendo is pretty lucky that the GTA trilogy came in to steal some of the thunder.

It’s truly a sad sight to behold seeing all these “top tier” triple A companies release such utter shit products because they know there are no ramifications

Nintendo's pride about their own products boarders on narcissism at points. They're so stuck in their own ways and there's no reason why they shouldn't hire top talent for their products. I actually wouldn't mind paying the $60 for the expansion, but that's just it, it's not expansive whatsoever. Why Nintendo doesn't hire people that have done the hard work of emulating games better than the company that made said game just blows my mind. They could make an actual push to stop piracy if they just accepted the fact that people who aren't a part of a multibillion dollar company have put in more talent/effort than they have.

Nerrel called Nintendo releasing Goldeneye to cover up their mistakes.

It's kind of beautiful how these classic games have transcended their developers and been taken over by the fans.

"I'm a big fan of Gonetz, but he's just some guy in Russia doing this for fun" 😅. I remember when GLideN64 was initially announced, was super excited, glad it's now mainstream.

The Don Mattrick bit was a great throwback.

12:37 It's so sad that this exact scenario happens ALL the time. People just cannot seem to control themselves, they cannot seem to realize ''huh this product seems a little bad, even though I love this game and it's very nostalgic, I probably shouldn't endorse this''. The people that continue buying Nintendo games even though they may or may not know that what they're buying is a bad product are the ones that continue to give Nintendo the power. It's so simple to just STOP BUYING stuff.

RE: "The games look just like I remember it!" - While memory is a funny thing and can warp over time, I think there's something else to be said - that emulation was how most people were introduced to these games to begin with. Or, at least, their most recent definitive memory of it. Sure, you may have played MK64 on an actual cart even in the late 200Xs, but many people got OoT and MM via the VIrtual COnsole or just straight up emulated it as best they could. So it's hard to argue with someone when they say it "looks like I remember it" because....they might very well not be lying.

The "dont think, just consume" rhetoric is the strongest amongst nintendo fans

I hate how the defense now a days isn't about quality, but rather "Well now it's portable!" You could use a low end laptop to emulate all the n64 games and even then many of these games had DS or 3DS remakes that already made them portable

The only thing Nintendo is going to learn from this experience is that fans just aren't interested in old emulated games and they will drastically cut future releases to only a handful and never again until the next hardware iteration with the same handful of games and the same emulators ported over and with none of the bugs patched out.

Bruh that knocking at 14:03 had me take a bloody heart attack! Thought someone was slamming on my door for help or something. CHRIST!

Evil Digital Foundry be like: "The results don't speak for themselves!"

9:09 Nintendo took 4 years to patch in blutooth headphones, I don't think any of the issues will be fixed for at least a year.

Nerrel is such a pleasing critic to listen to, his tone is both calm and stern making him feel more confident than uncontrollably angry, and he understanda everything aboit the topics he discusses. he doesn't say anything until he has the words prepared to do so. fantastic work, Nerrel, this is yet another great video

It's just so ridiculous. Nintendo fucking up emulation of a Nintendo console, running Nintendo games _on a Nintendo console._ They have everything they could ever need to do it. Original hardware and documentation and all, and they still fucked it up massively.

I was glad to see we were getting N64 Online finally, and I was more than willing to pay extra for it. Then the actual price came out. Yikes. Then the emulation quality came out and it was worse than the Wii U's. Yikes again. Then I saw the absurd lag. Yikes overdrive. So, you know what I did? Not a week after, I re-bought a Wii, and I'm now in the process of installing Virtual Console games on the Homebrew Channel. I'm devoted to the idea of physical media and preservation, and I never emulate simply out of my own conduct, but if they're going to rob me, I have no problems robbing them of what they're not even making money off of.

Imagine if Nintendo actually hired people using all that extra money that they have

From the glitched out Skulltula to the parody at the end had me laughing till I started hiccupping!🤣

11:29 GoldenEye Online now confirmed for Switch, and Xbox where it'll probably run better.

People were raised by Nintendo and not their parents, so if you complain about Nintendo to these people you’re essentially calling their mom fat. We live in an era where people care more about cartoon video game idols than they do friends and family. Nintendo is mom and Nintendo fans are mamma boys.

I forgot how good the original OoT looked for its time, Nintendo should have more respect for such a landmark title and present it as close as it was back then to new audiences.

this was my most anticipated video of late 2021

I still wake up in a cold sweat thinking about that shadow link room on switch sometimes

I feel it's especially egregious here because Nintendo has legal access to n64 hardware documentation. Unlike emulator devs, who have to go through a lot of clean room bullshit to legally use N64 stuff, Nintendo can just refer to their own documentation and specs and just do it.

I used to be ashamed of being Nintendo fan back then because all of my friends who played COD and FIFA didn't really get the appeal of Nintendo games but for the past few years I've been ashamed of Nintendo because of all the bullshit they've been pulling. What a disgrace.

Lol... I don't think I've ever had as much fun on KZfaq as I have had watching this video. Dude you're straight entertainment, plus those factx, are actually pretty scientific with all the side by side comparisons. This dude 100% deserves a like and subscribe. *I HAD to edit this... That Queen Gohma clip... Wow. You can REALLY see the differences. Thank you for that*

I played the PC port of ocarina of time (on the steam deck) after playing it on an emulator. Oh my god. The difference in input delay was insane.

I whole heartedly agree with just about everything you said about the Nintendo fans. I'm seriously getting sick of this back and forth with them. They'll get all mad about the NSO price, Skyward Sword amiibo, and the cancellation of a smash tournament....but when push comes to shove to actually do something, to actually hit Nintendo in the pocket for ONCE,....They fold. They get hype, they backtrack their hate, think disliking a video will DO something, and just buy the shit anyways! I'm so sick of it. I don't care whether or not they like Nintendo.....shit or get off the pot with supporting them and stop whining about it.

the weird thing is, nintendo's emulators actually used to be competent. and then wii u vc happened.

Every video just makes me happier and happier love this dude

That "bug" with the big skulltulla near the end of the video happens on the n64 too

Nintendo's 2021 can be summed up in a single quote: "Great ideas that have met a terrible fate."

Nerrel, you need to get updated about N64 emulation on PC mate. For a few years now, the best choice has been m64p. It requires no configuration or plugin juggling. In RetroArch you can also use mupen with Parallel RDP/RSP enabled, under Vulkan. These solutions are far better and more accurate than the standalone Project 64 or Mupen with GlideN64. Parallel is just perfect and requires no configuration. It can even upscale, despite being a LLE graphics plugin and it's also much faster than Angrylion.

This was a work of art! Definitely the best video on the expansion pack I've seen

In regards to the netcode thing. Retroarch actually has a GGPO like feature(rollback netcode) built in for netplay so even it that emulators are just better.

Fog is literally one of the cheapest possible effects lol what is that dude saying that it's too intense for switch hardware. Not even close to whats going on

Nothing screams "Hypocrisy" like Nintendo criminalizing the sharing and usage of ROMs on home-made emulators as "piracy" and then doing a half-assed job in making their own shitty emulator and charging top dollar for it.

Gotta say, Nerrel never over dramatizes things. I have seen a lot of KZfaqrs talk about the same topics but they tend to not point out some good points and sometimes bad points. You are very professional Nerrel.

I grew up on the Gamecube version of OOT and never knew the reflections weren’t supposed to look like that

Nintendo genuinely *hates* people who try to play their games. Online audio only through a phone app? Time-limited availability for a digital rerelease? Animal Crossing having one save per CONSOLE? This con-job of an emulator?

Literally only nerrel could explain HOW the godawful Switch Water Temple room works and make it hilarious the whole way through. Also the Nintendo Super Ultra Deluxe Expansion thing at the end is inaccurate; the wario key chain should be advertised and simultaneously out of stock everywhere within the first second of going up for sale.

12:30 that spider glitch happens game level sometimes, I’ve had that happen on n64, in that spot

7:47 Holy crap, I never noticed that. Really shows how much effort went into these games that these shoddy emulators completely erase.