Symbolism in Gravity | Death and Resurrection

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Jonathan Pageau

Jonathan Pageau

6 жыл бұрын

The movie Gravity takes the ancient symbolism of the edge of the world, passing through the waters or through the grave, and creates a modern science-fiction tale of death and resurrection.
Additional footage used is from Interstellar, 2001 A Space Oddyssey and The Avengers
The music is taken from the Gravity soundtrack
The video was edited by Thomas Wijnaendts of the Storytellers youtube channel: / @storytellers1
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@Jacob011
@Jacob011 6 жыл бұрын
I was in tears. Really great stuff.
@JamesMathison
@JamesMathison 6 жыл бұрын
Jacob011 I got a little jammed up, too. Powerful!
@joshsepicisraelwalk3324
@joshsepicisraelwalk3324 6 жыл бұрын
Not just me then!
@RunninUpThatHillh
@RunninUpThatHillh 6 жыл бұрын
Same.
@mjb91
@mjb91 6 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure precisely why, but he's had that affect on me, also--especially as St. Christopher emerged. The synchronicity (serendipity) is intense.
@filipbook5605
@filipbook5605 6 жыл бұрын
Me too, how can the fact that she barks and hears a baby cry be the exact same idea of the dog headed saint christopher and christ? I can't comprehend it, it is amazing and really confusing at the same time.
@tjmedcalf
@tjmedcalf 6 жыл бұрын
Best intro title card on KZfaq.
@NinoGuariscoJR
@NinoGuariscoJR 6 жыл бұрын
Tim M Absolutely!
@trucid2
@trucid2 6 жыл бұрын
I love your opening melody. It feels like I've heard it a thousand times.
@matthewwilkinson2170
@matthewwilkinson2170 6 жыл бұрын
What stood out to me the most in this movie was when she was looking at death and asked “who’s going to pray for me when I am gone?” As a former Protestant it really underscored the significance of prayer for the dead and I’ll always remember that.
@hippocraticoaf8798
@hippocraticoaf8798 6 жыл бұрын
Our culture is so toxic I would never see this movie except through Jonathan Pageau.
@Glassr91
@Glassr91 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome commentary. I was nearly in tears. Very beautiful. This will be going to my favorites.
@tracik1277
@tracik1277 6 жыл бұрын
Wow! Jonathan go for it with the graphic novel! What a great idea. Very much enjoyed this video, cheers. And boy, you are cute x
@stephenjay2209
@stephenjay2209 6 жыл бұрын
I first saw you when you were on a panel with Jordan Peterson. Sitting on the same stage as Peterson, one might think it would be difficult standing out. You did it magnificently. The respect Jordan and you treated each other with was awesome. So it made me want to subscribe to your KZfaq channel. I'm really glad I did. I am working on an Honorary Masters and you are one of my teachers. Thank you.
@RSanchez111
@RSanchez111 6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant analysis Jonathan. Connecting the deep ocean with deep space is also what Jung did when he wrote about the UFO phenomenon. He thought that because humans have learned to explore the ocean and found all the possible hiding places of ocean monsters, people started to project monsters into space instead, as space was the last unknown left to us.
@theawecabinet
@theawecabinet 6 жыл бұрын
The problem with this idea is that _symbolic_ monsters do not performs laser precision surgery on farm cows, suck out all of their blood and organs and then leave them dumped on top of trees without making any mess, leaving any tire marks and without waking up sleeping dogs or farmers nearby. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nsecfbVjkqzZiYE.html
@RSanchez111
@RSanchez111 6 жыл бұрын
The problem with that idea is that symbolic monsters have been doing that for centuries, long before the UFO phenomenon became popularized. People just used to call those monsters "vampires" before they became extraterrestrials. Even today, those monsters are sometimes called "chupacabra" instead of ETs. These are the same projections and rationalizations people have been making for a long time.
@theawecabinet
@theawecabinet 6 жыл бұрын
"..The problem with that idea is that symbolic monsters have been doing that for centuries.." By definition, symbolic monsters cannot act in the physical realm. Thousands of dead, 'mutilated' bodies each year all over the world (including humans) testify to the very real nature of these monsters. There is nothing symbolic about them. The medical procedures are way beyond what we can do even with our most advanced equipment ... much less in the dead of night in the driving rains miles from anywhere... and without so much as single footprint or tire track left behind. I agree these kinds of phenomena tend to be interpreted according to the level of technology we currently have, or can conceive of. However, that still does not make any of it symbolic. God knows what fishes in the ocean make of marine biologists arriving overhead in their strange whirring 'motherships', then 'abducting' fishes with nets or lines, tagging them with alien implants, going away, coming back a month later, 'abducting' them again, performing autopsies on them and throwing the mutilated corpses back into the ocean when they are done with no apparent concern for the trauma, outrage and confusion this induces in the fishes who stumble across their strangely mutilated corpses. But there is nothing symbolic about any of that either... regardless of whether you are a fish skeptic who insists it must be natural predation, or a fish believer who is full of crazy alien conspiracy theories about aliens conducting biological research on them.
@RSanchez111
@RSanchez111 6 жыл бұрын
theawecabinet you know what else there is nothing about these monsters? Nothing physical... It's like scientists saying that gravity rotation curves are proof that there's some "dark" influence in galaxies, and of course use that as justification to get millions of dollars from the government. Even though, like vampires and UFOs, the actual culprit never ever shows up. To bring more Jung into this, the insistence that it must be some highly advanced medical technology doing these mutilation is, in my opinion, a reflection of modern society's almost exclusive identification with the Great Father (society) along with almost complete denial of the Great Mother (nature). We want to use technology to explain everything, and government to explain everything else. What do people who insist that UFOs are an actual phenomenon do when no one believes them? Start to think that there's a government conspiracy to cover up the supposed "truth"... I'm sure farmers could figure out what's happening to their cows if they really wanted to. But thousands of cows affected out of many many millions over the years (working out to much much less than 1% of cows) just doesn't justify the cost when farmers have much more pressing issues to worry about, like droughts. The amateur "ufo hunter" enthusiasts haven't found anything either, but maybe that's because they are so married to their predetermined conclusion, that only highly advanced technology could possibly be the cause and not something more natural, that they can't see what is actually happening. Until they do, people will just continue projecting monsters into the unknown, like they have since time immemorial.
@AndyJarman
@AndyJarman 6 ай бұрын
Jung was embracing the world up to the end. His example enabled me and showed me how I could welcome the God figure into my heart. He, is a good friend of mine, probably the best I ever had.
@michaelkurasz2828
@michaelkurasz2828 6 жыл бұрын
You really should have a lot more subscribers Jon, always enjoy ur outlook on these things. Thanks for all you do.
@guimochet
@guimochet Жыл бұрын
Jonathan, this video really affected me. Apparently I'm not alone. God bless.
@levibarton9707
@levibarton9707 6 жыл бұрын
So impressive. I didn't expect any less from the GOAT interpreter of the symbolic world.
@64kdawg
@64kdawg 6 жыл бұрын
Your movie reviews are amazing!
@xjmg007
@xjmg007 6 жыл бұрын
Very well made, had me emotionally engaged. Ty
@mjvader1
@mjvader1 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. The graphic novel idea sounds amazing!
@MrDanSB
@MrDanSB 6 жыл бұрын
Great job, Jonathan!!
@paoloantinozzi281
@paoloantinozzi281 6 жыл бұрын
Thx alot Jonathan. Wonderful
@mjb91
@mjb91 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, Johathan.
@julieredmond5192
@julieredmond5192 6 жыл бұрын
Very good video, Jonathan!
@maxamos7
@maxamos7 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic insight! Thank you for sharing so much!
@szymonmajewski4725
@szymonmajewski4725 6 жыл бұрын
This was simply spectacular.
@dareka9425
@dareka9425 5 жыл бұрын
It's weird. Earlier I watched the video(How Science is Nested in Religion) where an atheist questioned the need of symbolism or mysticism in the modern world but here you are revealing one religious symbolism after another in a very science-heavy Hollywood blockbuster.
@cellospot
@cellospot 2 жыл бұрын
That was such an awesome movie. Thank you for your interpretation, giving this film further depth.
@jpemery11
@jpemery11 4 жыл бұрын
I have just watched all your videos multiple times after consuming Peterson's work. Would love to see a Fight Club analysis.
@daves-c8919
@daves-c8919 Жыл бұрын
Amazing. thank you
@RonaldDPotts
@RonaldDPotts 6 жыл бұрын
I'm very excited about the graphic novel! I will definitely contribute to the crowd funding.
@underthefigtree9524
@underthefigtree9524 6 жыл бұрын
This was a fantastic movie interpretation. Really engaging and enlightening. I saw Gravity for the first time not long ago and was pleasantly surprised. However I never paid any attention to the little mascots floating around in the space ships, but since coming to this channel Jonathan and having seen/heard you especially mention S:t Christopher a couple of times, it’s so curious that it is THAT icon in particular that shows up in the russian space ship. You would think that the screen writers would settle for any old Russian icon, but no. They took the symbolic stuff seriously, it seems.
@frankcastelo6980
@frankcastelo6980 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@acabramzach
@acabramzach 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent description. My favorite movie scince 2013.
@izrador2264
@izrador2264 6 жыл бұрын
I love your intro.
@tyronetarkovsky4665
@tyronetarkovsky4665 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Jonathan, your channel is my favourite thing on KZfaq.. I would pre order that graphic novel if I could..
@arcadianwings2662
@arcadianwings2662 6 жыл бұрын
Waw, I was crying all the way through! :-) Jonathan, could the star "Sirius" (the "Dog-star") be an equivalent to Saint Christopher? I'm trying to interpret its meaning in my own journey.
@JonathanPageau
@JonathanPageau 6 жыл бұрын
There is a relationship between Sirius and St-Christopher for sure. Check out Myths of the Dog Man by David Gordon White, who has some interesting info. His analysis is sadly a bit one-dimensional, but the info is useful.
@arcadianwings2662
@arcadianwings2662 6 жыл бұрын
I definitely will, thank you so much! :-) Your content (as well as that of Matthieu, Jordan Peterson, Scott Onstott, etc.) has truly been an Anchor in times like these. Finding these online resources - in my experience - has felt like "Kowalski catching Ryan in the void". And I'm hearing similar stories from an increasing number of people. My "heroes" are those who restore Meaning! So again: thank you! :-)
@IgnazioGeraci89
@IgnazioGeraci89 6 жыл бұрын
That. Was. Amazing. Congratulations!
@IgnazioGeraci89
@IgnazioGeraci89 6 жыл бұрын
I would like to add: in the lake we have the symbolism of the frog (the capacity of going into the void and raise from it) that you and JP so nicely clarified.
@user-it5zt9kw2f
@user-it5zt9kw2f 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting story for a book!
@fromthe4621
@fromthe4621 6 жыл бұрын
That movie was a ride
@ChezzyKnytt
@ChezzyKnytt 6 жыл бұрын
I would love to see your graphic novel come to life!
@alison2161
@alison2161 4 жыл бұрын
I always see words in picture form in my mind and I always explain things that way. Everything is symbolic. All is.
@janbess909
@janbess909 6 жыл бұрын
May I suggest you consider Steven Spielberg's Duel for an analysis? It is clearly set up around such patterns.
@MadFrenzy582
@MadFrenzy582 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, very cool! (rofl)
@dylansaus
@dylansaus 6 жыл бұрын
Was the idea that the world was flat to protect the people from sailing to another world?
@barbaraeng1626
@barbaraeng1626 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much. Your work is encouraging and vital. Have you considered commenting on the movie ARRIVAL?
@jakecorynthian3516
@jakecorynthian3516 5 жыл бұрын
Deep movie, I wept when I saw it 2 years ago. I also enjoyed the strong female lead character. Your take on the movie was interesting.
@3VLN
@3VLN 3 жыл бұрын
Bro, i beg you PLEASE, do the movie TENET, by Christopher Nolan, which is based on the Rotas square. I think you could go to amazing depths with it, if not please consider making a study on the Rotas square alone, I'd LOVE to hear your take on it! 🙏🏽
@fadybarsoum2939
@fadybarsoum2939 5 жыл бұрын
Powerful Stuff! In 5:49 - 6:23, as the father figure was leading the heroine east to west, the Sun was on one side with Egypt on the other side of the Earth = A Revelation of the 'Middle point' of origin, if you could see that ;)
@glof2553
@glof2553 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Jonathan, Just a quick question: you mentioned after your Santa Claus video something like "the ontology of St. Maximos is more relevant than Aquinas' structure." I know you aren't a theologian by trade, but can you elaborate on this?
@janbess909
@janbess909 6 жыл бұрын
At last!
@przechujakrobata
@przechujakrobata 5 жыл бұрын
Kowalski has polish roots, so he knows what he is doing :)
@DeanWolf1965
@DeanWolf1965 6 жыл бұрын
Ummmm. .wow!
@MafiaBoss19821
@MafiaBoss19821 6 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on I, Pet Goat II ?
@azman8927
@azman8927 6 жыл бұрын
I think we have lost so much depth and substance with the modern materialistic and phenomenological mind. How did we get here and how much can we recapture is the question.... I feel like it shouldn't be such a hard proposition to be able to interpret the world through two different lenses - symbolic and phenomenologic. I'm starting to think that as we regress further into materialism, we are actually getting dumber, at the expense of character and individuality.
@RunninUpThatHillh
@RunninUpThatHillh 6 жыл бұрын
I would be so thrilled if you covered the Little Mermaid.
@NorJWWJD
@NorJWWJD 6 жыл бұрын
1:03 NOT THE MOMMA!
@patrickturner7764
@patrickturner7764 6 жыл бұрын
Florida? What no way. I'm in.
@fragwagon
@fragwagon 6 жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved Gravity.
@EntretenimientoConPerspectiva
@EntretenimientoConPerspectiva 6 жыл бұрын
gravity by Tess Gerritson..
@wesleyclayswank6732
@wesleyclayswank6732 6 жыл бұрын
Johnathan Pageau It is interesting that you link Maitreya and Buddha. Your interpretation may be correct as Buddhism is vast in its number of sects. I know that the Chinese Empress Wu Zetian of the Tang Dynasty saw herself as an embodiment of Maitreya. Assuming your statement about a reincarnational relationship between Maitreya and the Buddha (I'm assuming you mean the historical Buddha Siddartha) is indeed correct would the gender swapping reincarnations be a kind of inversion in the symbolic sense, from nature to nurture and back again? And being as this is a space movie are you aware of the Jewish (also Dante seemed to know) symbolic prophecy of the Sun and the Moon once again attaining the same size (from the earthly perspective)? I had taken that too mean Church and State may become Holy Instruments in the hands of God at the end. But, could this also be about true gender equality, you know the kind that respects both sides of the human coin? I'm not speaking of the many counterfeits that cause more problems than they solve?
@EntretenimientoConPerspectiva
@EntretenimientoConPerspectiva 6 жыл бұрын
did you know the real author and creator of gravity is Tess Gerritson?? in deed based on her book...so now you know ...thuth be told...
@pu3he
@pu3he 6 жыл бұрын
The Edge of Tomorrow would be an interesting one to review: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7udhrmU2dq8nn0.html A surprisingly refreshing sci-fi action with palatable Tom Cruise! And lots of symbolism!
@kh218
@kh218 6 жыл бұрын
Do a symbolic interpretation of the Koran!?!? Such exciting Acts Almost like a letter to a part of the church.
@garylundberg7238
@garylundberg7238 5 жыл бұрын
By a warlord who married a 9 year old...
@gloriamendez5851
@gloriamendez5851 6 жыл бұрын
Cute cheeks look good on you, Jonathan! 😜
@peppy619
@peppy619 6 жыл бұрын
I want your take on Avatar: The Last Airbender, the TV show though because the movie sucked
@pelonp3691
@pelonp3691 6 жыл бұрын
I bet you would enjoy Hunter X Hunter (2011)
@julianw6604
@julianw6604 6 жыл бұрын
Heres and off topic question: Does JP's definition of belief not map on perfectly to the unconscious bias definition of racism? If what we act out is what we believe, doesnt that make people who perform Microagressions, racist, regardless of what they say on the topic of race?
@DoubtX
@DoubtX 6 жыл бұрын
No, I wouldn't say that. JP's idea of belief, if applied to unconscious racism, would look more like the leftists who profess to be anti-racist, yet treat minorities as if they can't control their own behaviour. The far left's idea of racism is "racism in effect," where actions that cause racial disparity are deemed racist. What I've laid out preserves the idea of racism as a matter of belief, because the way that radical leftists treat minorities is often based on an unconscious assumption that those minorities are inferior. That's what Jordan means when he's talking about belief as that which you act out. He's pointing to those beliefs which underlie your higher level beliefs, and not the things which you say you believe, because you can _say_ you believe anything. And you might even believe that you believe those things, but if your actions betray your words, then JP sides with the actions.
@idiocracy10
@idiocracy10 6 жыл бұрын
"microaggressions" are by definition only perceived by the aggressed, therefore, they (the aggressed) are the driver of that narrative, and that being the case, the supposed microaggressors are subject to the aggressed's claims, whether they are true or not. The whole paradigm is ripe with corruption and trying to "flip the script" of giving the power to the "oppressed" to attack the "oppressor". It is all marxist BS, and anyone that treats it as a legitimate paradigm is not worthy of recognition as a serious human being. But rather should be ostracized as a mischievous influence at best, if not a subversive, destabilizing element of the worst sort.
@julianw6604
@julianw6604 6 жыл бұрын
Doubt Hmm, I think JP would go deeper than just what a given individual acts. Think of his argument that athiests are more Christian than they would like to admit. His point is that Christianity has shaped our society, our institutions, our values, and our very being to such a degree that its impossible for anyone to say they arnt Christian. Athiests like Sam Harris act more Christian and have more Christianity built into them then they would like to admit. So, I see a perfect parallel with the institutional and unconscious racism. The idea is that our white supremacy is built into our values, our institutions, our society ect, to a much larger degree than we would like to admit. We have racism built into us because of our long history with racism. If Christianity can be "built" into the system and have a nst positive effect, why wouldn't the same be true for racism? (The history of in group preferance is arguably even longer than Christianity's) Surely JP must also acknowledge the negative influences built into our system?
@julianw6604
@julianw6604 6 жыл бұрын
jkm I'm not an advocate of this way of looking at the world, but I do see its internal consistency and I think it warrents a much more sophisticated critique then it typically gets. Its quite a nasty, conflict provoking worldview anyhow. It is essentialy a competing story to the Petersonian worldview of the primacy of the individual. Either you can see the world as a battle ground between groups or as one of individuals. The question is, which one is more true or which one works better? I think that's a good point, its a completely subjective judgement. The microggressed is essentially the only one who has experience of the offence. Indeed, one has to ask in the spirit of the tree falls in the forest question: if a microgression is not perceived, is it still a microagression? I can't agree with your last statement. I think this is a worldview that has a lot of traction and it needs some serious critique. Its not self evident that this is the wrong way of looking at the world.
@idiocracy10
@idiocracy10 6 жыл бұрын
Then you are truly ignorant of the meta game being played. By admitting that the view that microagrressions are in any way legitimate is to ceed the battle space completely and therefore losing before beginning to fight. This is why they want to change the language, because language is how we think. if they can shape the language they can shape thought. The very argument that JBP is making, that everyone is christian in a fundamentally christian society, will become false, because christianity is leached out of the culture and the language, and then we get to see the real horror show begin. In the 50's and 60's when we had prayer and God in schools, we did not have school shootings, now we have taken god and prayer out of the schools and we have near weekly atrocities, you can make the argument that there may be other "violence arrestors" that can be culturally implemented besides religion, but you cannot argue that the removal of religion has not led to a more coarse and violent society. You sound like you have been thouroughly indoctrinated in some type of educational facility in the past 15 years, and that is pretty disturbing, because "microaggressions" and "marxist" theory generally, are substantially evil methodologies for subverting high functioning societies such that they become fertile ground for authoritarian socialists. period. Marxism has been utterly discredited, and that is why marxists shifted to cultural marxism.
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