Synology - Becoming TOO Enterprise?

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Video Chapters
00:00 - Alfred Hitchcock Much
01:54 - Are Synology focusing too much on Enterprise Solutions?
04:23 - Reactions to the GS Series and Active Protect?
07:46 - The Future of Active Backup?
12:19 - Recommending Synology Solutions to Customers?
16:39 - The relationship between DSM Appliances and The Enterprise Tier?
22:21 - Will the DP Series Filter downwards?
24:21 - Who would fill the void IF Synology started withdrawing for the Enthusiast/Prosumer Space?
32:11 - Synology and AI Services - Box Ticking?
37:24 - Synology C2 Surveillance Station - Opinions?
43:52 - DVA Services as an Add On?
46:27 - BeeStation and BSM - the future?
54:33 - Conclusion and Verdict? Synology. Too Enterprise?
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@DavidM2002 Ай бұрын

All of my favourite guys in one place.

@YouTubePentium Ай бұрын

Where's Eddie these days?

@ckckck12 Ай бұрын

Exactly

@stephenrosenthal5337 Ай бұрын

Great episode. I found all of you years ago when I was looking for a NAS. I hope you'll do a regular gang conversation.

@nascompares Ай бұрын

Already got ideas for a few more, plus one I will be contacting the gang about soon (had a banger of an idea involving the U.S)

@ShaneMcGrath. Ай бұрын

All we want is a new 8 bay DS model with decent cpu for transcoding and ditch the 1GbE ports for at least 2.5GbE. Easy money for them, I would throw money at the screen right now!

@jasperverkroost 29 күн бұрын

I would rather like to see an all-NVMe NAS from Synology instead.

@junior-OG 29 күн бұрын

fact

@basdfgwe 28 күн бұрын

Ill build one for you, pay me Synology prices...

@jasperverkroost 28 күн бұрын

@@basdfgwe Deal, if you build me a DSM-like OS as well.

@scytob 27 күн бұрын

@@jasperverkroost why not both!

@ckckck12 Ай бұрын

What you showed in your trip to computex was peta byte servers and surveillance technology that very large businesses and governments would use, not home guy KZfaqr family man with a disk station. When you showed that couple weeks ago I gave up waiting for new DS model and started studying zfs and truenas scale so I can build my own next step. I love my disk station and Synology OS but.... Well.... The writing is on the wall. Seeing all my favorite KZfaqrs on this topic in one video is awesome. Love you all.

@junior-OG 29 күн бұрын

me too im starting to learn about truenas

@InspectorGadget2014 Ай бұрын

I'm no Synology guy but from the looks of it, Synology is less focused onto the enthusiast's roam, the number of "competitors" in the arena, all but one could argue how comparable these currently truly are, is growing by the day. Clearly Synology wants to aim for the enterprise, as there is the recurring revenue, customer-buy-in exists. Next to subscriptions (read: you do not own anything anymore) and possible usage-credits. Let's not forget, the only thing speaking for Synology is their DSM, thus software. Something that another competitor can gradually improve upon too. Synology's hardware is not that impressive. Especially when comparing to the several other vendors. DSM is great when you're not technical, but very limiting when you are more technical inclined. It should be clear by now that Synology is changing direction, hopefully that won't be forgetting the SoHO or the enthusiast. If Synology is not anouncing anything hardware or software in those areas within the next few months, the message should be clear.

@raycollington4310 Ай бұрын

Blimey, the great and good of NAS systems all together. You guy are fantastic, thank you for your perspective and professionalism. You’re all teaching me loads. Thank you.

@tdragon87 Ай бұрын

That bird tho...

@nascompares Ай бұрын

I know, right?

@basdfgwe 28 күн бұрын

This is why ugreen makes sense to enter the nas market. Synology moves to enterprise leaving a massive hole.

@seanwoods1526 Ай бұрын

I love these videos. Like others have said it’s the normal people I watch for my NAS content. That being said, all Synology has to do is release a 4,6,8 bay NAS with a solid CPU bump (graphics enabled)2.5 Gb nic update problem solved. I am one of those admins to at brought Synology into my company dies to the fact I have years of working with it at home and now I am looking at replacing my unit with Ugreen or something else. Synology at my home is going a direction that is different from my home needs. I will say if it wasn’t for the fact I had Synology at home my company would have went a totally different direction when it came to our storage needs.

@spirecz Ай бұрын

I feel like this video was more oriented towards business/enterprise features/needs than I'd like and focusing too much to not offend anyone. I thought guys would explore more on what prosumer/home users expect and where is the demand not being met. Remember the last good NAS was DS920+ and even then it was really outdated minor iteration. DS923+ is a miss without transcoding and DS423+ is yet another minor iteration of outdated HW. We want that sweet UGreen HW with Synology SW and no limitations on HDDs/SSDs and finally some solid networking. Synoforum guy even admitted the outcries on the forums, but we were given explanation that Enterprise probably needs focus and time. This is not just one cycle where we are waiting, this is multiple cycles of minor iterations. People will just buy UGreen with TrueNAS Scale or figure easy to run Xpenology. Honestly who cares about Active Backup for Business? It's nice to have, but it ends there.

@jasperverkroost 29 күн бұрын

I did like the video, but I kinda agree with you. Would be nice to see the gang together again coming up with an advice to Synology on how to best serve the home/small business users with new Synology NAS'es in 2024/2025.

@WillieHowe 25 күн бұрын

The infrastructure for them to pull the lever for charging has been in place for a long time. We've had to activate ABB since its inception. Great video, fellas!

@nascompares 25 күн бұрын

Cheers for the kind words Willie! I know what you mean about AB...always had a whiff of 'too good to be true', I just don't wanna see it get left to stagnate as a solution in favour of AP/DP

@ryanw8664 29 күн бұрын

This was great! More please!

@AaAa-je5eo Ай бұрын

God tier crossover✨ Concerning subject matter that has brought this together though! What would happen to enthusiast's Syno's if they did pull out of this market? Most of us buy these units to last a decade and over...would we be screwed?

@carlos_mann Ай бұрын

I am curious to know, as a new user to the Nas systems .... Would it be a good idea for me to invest in purchasing an 1821+ and populating it with 8 × 22 tb ironwolf hard drives, 64 gb Ram Memory, upgrading to the 10 gig port, and using both the m.2 slots for caching? Primary use, media / Plex

@ronwatkins5775 24 күн бұрын

Is there some software or OS you can install on a server to turn it into a nas?

@neilm9400 Ай бұрын

Yes they are. Unfortunately the margins are greater, though expectations are far higher. If they don't land enterprise which is so bloody hard with players so much more experienced then Synology, then will find there the home market have moved on.

@TingleCowboy Ай бұрын

Synology is still too old-fashioned. Even the BeeStation is just a failed attempt to bring a breath of fresh air into the matter: Fan too loud, hard disk much too loud, status LED cannot be switched off or dimmed and flashes annoyingly when the device is in standby. Why are such devices always significantly louder and slower than gaming laptops, for example? It would be so simple: a decent Intel chip with a laptop fan, combined with slow but reliable SSDs that don't overheat so quickly. Sufficient space for large heat sinks is also important. Then add a laptop battery and a reliable power supply unit so that you don't have to connect an extra UPS. I mean, every cheap laptop has more technology in it than that. And a lot of people would buy something like that because it's much better to have your data encrypted and uploaded to the cloud from an extra device, for example... instead of having to wait forever for OneDrive, iCloud or Google Drive to do all this more or less unencrypted.

@user-wt7pq5qc2q Ай бұрын

Yes it is going that way.

@DaystromDataConcepts 29 күн бұрын

I'm pleased to see that others also see AI in everything as a marketing hype phenomenon. If companies don't have something new and are able to slap AI into the product name, they're falling behind. And so, they have to scramble to have the current buzz word, AI, injected into new products. Secondly, I agree with Rob's summation about the home space portfolio. If nothing new is forthcoming soon, it could auger a definite shift away from the home sector. If Synology go that route they will alienate their massive home/SMB user base and eventually lose them. Nvidia and AMD have done similar pivots toward the Enterprise space due to the lure of massive profits. I hope Synology remembers its roots and what made them great.

@steveinoz1 29 күн бұрын

I think the relatively recent purchase and increases in cost of VMware by Broadcom might have some lessons in this space as well as I understand that the smaller to medium companies are looking for cheaper and open source alternatives like Proxmox. Large enterprises - will just swallow the cost. However it will be a mammoth task for Synology to break into this space of established players with a solid track record. Not to forget to mention it will take many years if not a decade to crack into the enterprise space. Synology will also have to offer some kind of differentiation for people to take a risk. Remember the old saying that no one gets fired for buying Microsoft- despite the huge licensing costs.

@tombouie 16 күн бұрын

Thks a lot buts where's Eddie?

@nascompares 15 күн бұрын

Ed is still here! NC is me and Eddie! Look at the KZfaq shorts!

@SkyhawksAu 29 күн бұрын

Synology has abandond their consumer and prosumer market IMO.

@Ohtaror 27 күн бұрын

And it makes me sad.

@leexgx 26 күн бұрын

Red is not a backup, but they expect these things to keep their data safe and a lot of case people put their only copy of their data it, which is their own fault if the unit fails I dislike single Bay units for people who have basic computer knowledge

@udirt Ай бұрын

They dont even know how to safely package a dozen harddisks. They are nowhere near "enterprise".

@leonidiakovlev Ай бұрын

Quite a surprise to hear that Synology is selling to enthusiasts. It is totally the opposite. Their audience is those who just do not want to learn at all. It is no brainer to see that there is no other reason to sell units with outdated CPUs without integrated GPU and promote their own drives and SSDs, stripping the units from USB external devices support THAN making fools of the clients to earn the big buck. It took me one month from understanding this fact to building a DIY TrueNAS unit for 700USD (including 2x10Tb HDDs in mirror mode) for which Synology even doesn't have any comparable product in their line.