Systema Defending the Standing Rear Choke

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10 жыл бұрын

Paul Genge, Head Instructor of Combat Lab in Manchester is filmed here by the Warrior Collective giving a step by step tutorial on the Systema approach to defending the rear choke or grab from a standing attacker.
www.warriorcollective.co.uk
www.combatlab.russianmartial.org.uk

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@smkdude26 10 жыл бұрын

The fact that when being choked from behind no one stands still for you to react in time, this move gives you a chance, Well done Sensei.

@warriorcollective 10 жыл бұрын

It is always great to see different approaches on the same subject. Glad you enjoyed the vid!

@lsporter88 4 жыл бұрын

That was really cunning. Simple, nothing hard to remember, mechanically sound. And you taught it efficiently.👍🏾👍🏾

@trevorpenton5893 8 жыл бұрын

Great Video! I just found Systema and Paul stands out as a Instructor who explains the principles of the lessons

@amindinfullbigc3863 8 жыл бұрын

Another excellent illustration of using core strength and gravity to your advantage. 🙏👍

@safnhuo 6 жыл бұрын

Really glad I found this. I've seen a few instructions where the attacker is standing still. So when I decided to spar with a friend who put me in this position, I quickly found out it wasn't going to go the way I was lead to believe it would.

@luisrodriguez9772 2 жыл бұрын

I love that, straight to the release point

@omarmirza9957 10 жыл бұрын

A beautiful move, especially given that it does not even look like you are fighting anyone.

@warriorcollective 10 жыл бұрын

Omar Mirza glad you enjoyed the vid!

@JohannesWiegerinck 10 жыл бұрын

Give us more, Paul!

@ferrarieza6672 5 жыл бұрын

This is the best and simple.

@StopMoColorado 9 жыл бұрын

I remember the first time I tried to use one of the rear-choke defenses I had learned in Kung Fu...against someone who was dragging me really hard like this...I blacked out, lol! This is a great defense, thanks Paul, LOVE the Russian stuff. I learned a lot of good techniques in the other Asian martial arts I studied, but the Russian thing just has a teaching style, and full-contact-proven element which appeals to me more, as a Westerner. It multiplied the effectiveness of the other bits and pieces I had learned in San Soo, Wudang Tai Chi, and Silat, tied it all together and super-charged it, and I've (unfortunately, really, when you think about it) had multiple occasions to test it, having been in a dangerous line of work for a few years (best thing I did for my safety was change my line of work, better than ANY martial art! ;)

@warriorcollective 9 жыл бұрын

StopMoColorado Sounds like you have gone through it a few times ha ha! Glad you found the vid useful and enjoyable! Paul is a great Systema instructor and is often travelling into Russia and Eastern Europe to further develop his teaching and knowledge! Check out his youtube channel (Paul Genge) for more Systema vids!

@StopMoColorado 9 жыл бұрын

I'm well familiar with Paul, connected with him on FB :) A few years back I had to deal with a stalker...started out just mildly creepy (guy followed me home from a talk I gave at our local library, even after I stopped to eat on the way home, trying to shake him), got more creepy, and ended with him, and two of his "friends" (who have since distanced themselves from him, one of them warning me when the guy went from disturbed to homicidal) taking turns coming over to my house on false pretexts, then trying to assault me. Ended badly for them :) The stalker turned out to be a pill-addicted, paranoid psychopath who became convinced that I was a "Russian DEA Agent" (???) sent to "psychologically break him down" before arresting him on drug charges. Uh...no.At the time, I had no idea the prick was a pill-pusher, I just knew he was WEIRD. He finally got so paranoid and disturbed that he announced to a friend of his (who later became an acquaintance; he came to us because he was truly worried for our family's safety after watching this nut-job smash another guy's fingers in the trunk of his car for stealing a jigsaw at a work site - seriously) that he was going to break into our house, tie me to a chair, and rape and kill all my kids in front of me. I have not been able to sleep at night properly since then, not sure if I ever will again. This all climaxed when my ex-cop neighbor across the street had to chase him off of my door step at 3 in the morning with his laser-sighted AR; thank God for well armed neighbors who sleep lightly! I haven't seen "Crazy Exxx" in years now, hope it stays that way - he'd be on my "shoot on sight" list if he trespassed on my property, to put it mildly :(

@warriorcollective 9 жыл бұрын

StopMoColorado Wow, that is some issues you have been through there. I can only imagine how difficult that period of time must have been, I hope things continue in a better fashion and he stays away!!

@StopMoColorado 9 жыл бұрын

Me, too. If my kids even so much as hear this guy's name (and it's not that rare, popular with people of Scandinavian descent in the U.S.) they get VERY stressed out. I think I have gone to sleep before the sun came up only 3 times in the past few years, most of them during visits to Monasteries! The good thing, if I can call it that, is that I proved (to myself, at least) the value of the arts I've studied, most especially the Russian Martial Arts. This guy is nearly a foot taller than me and a hundred pounds heavier, and I was able to subdue him in under 3 seconds without breaking a sweat. Maybe when I've got more time I'll share that story, but I've still got some chores to do before I head to bed for a few hours...

@saileencruileen2163 5 жыл бұрын

God bless your ex-cop neighbor!!!

@wael77 7 жыл бұрын

I like this, thanks.

@azizc64 8 жыл бұрын

Thank u for all your vids. veru usefull. hope not to use any day but better to be ready..

@warriorcollective 8 жыл бұрын

+azizc64 You are more than welcome, that is always the aim with martial arts, better to have practised and not need it then to need it and not have it. I am glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching and commenting!

@dionissioskokkinis 7 жыл бұрын

nice system i do mma and aikido and i find systema very usefull for my job...

@jamestran2056 Жыл бұрын

this is a great technique, must save

@xllab1 8 жыл бұрын

Finally a realistic rear choke defense against a real choke.

@Tuffluck23 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you...

@mikelagman7662 4 жыл бұрын

excellent.

@johnnymathew3422 6 жыл бұрын

Almost injured my neck practicing this move

@indigoflow19O 7 жыл бұрын

Have you drilled this technique with the attacker not letting go after the roll? It seems like he still has you in the perfect position for the choke plus your giving him your back while on the ground. He seems to be willingly letting go of the choke allowing you to get back up. Realistically I feel the attacker wouldn't just let go allowing you to get up in such a manner.

@theatlantean39 6 жыл бұрын

As some own who wrestled all through school and done a lot of ther martial arts I can tell you that headlock on the ground is absolutley worthless and detrimental to boot. The guy on top will easily pop his head out and then it will be a bad day for guy on bottom. Also from that position the guy on top in the headlock can easily gouge eyes.

@bestdjaf7499 2 жыл бұрын

@@theatlantean39 Well I wouldn't let him roll in the first place. When he will try to roll, I will just go down on my ass & wrap my legs around him. Another 10-15 sec & he will be done. * Or I can just continue rolling with him. Of course I wouldn't stand in one place or go stiff on the ground. * We he said it's just a way to get out of the worst situation possible. But that neck crank, I really don't want to be in that situation. That neck twisting is really unpleasant.

@team1martialartsfitness130 7 жыл бұрын

this is a variation of a technique from kodokan judo. Great modern application.

@vladimirsaakyan5166 7 жыл бұрын

Very very good!!!!

@warriorcollective 7 жыл бұрын

Paul did a great job with this video, glad you enjoyed it!

@vladimirsaakyan5166 7 жыл бұрын

Really!!!! Thank you Stuart Tomlinson !!!!

@johnvincent7959 3 жыл бұрын

I'm a black belt in Japanese Ju Jitsu. Your techniques are right on!

@theepidemic3722 3 жыл бұрын

Yet can’t spell jiu jitsu

@Kung-Tech-Fu 7 жыл бұрын

Not bad at all. I like tbis solution.

@joelhendriks7161 8 жыл бұрын

nice cool usefull video. I think you've got an extra subscriber(me)

@raymondfranklin724 6 жыл бұрын

My only question is in regards to following up once upon the ground. It appears that your partner has maintained the choke once y'all have hit the floor. What's next? Thank You.

@yamaarash5391 2 жыл бұрын

How you defend if he jump on your back and puts his legs around your waist or even locks his legs around your waist?

@tejasdesai9687 7 жыл бұрын

refering to the takedown during the pull, the attacker can still choke you because his hands are still around your neck (after the fall) 2:40 in the exact position of a choke,PLZ GUIDE

@TheRehan110592 6 жыл бұрын

it makes sense

@peterrogers4368 8 жыл бұрын

not talking my self up but when people use to lift their legs i was strong enough to hold them, will have to try this one out

@warriorcollective 8 жыл бұрын

+peter rogers Great, let me know how you get on with it!

@annoyed707 8 жыл бұрын

You always rotate toward the side with the attackers hand. What would happen if the attacker used the same arm, but you rotated the other way? That would stress the attacker's shoulder quite differently, so anybody trying to find the answer should do so slowly until you know what the effect is.

@LivPoxleitner 8 жыл бұрын

cool!

@growthisfreedomunitedearth7584 2 жыл бұрын

as far as grabbing for the throw, would it be better to grab his choking elbow, right arm, with your left arm, and then also grab his lock over the knuckles with your right hand??? So your arms would cross and fill up all the space between your chest and the choke.

@jamesking5508 5 жыл бұрын

I mentioned before I had a man I know for many years who weighs about 250-260 pounds maybe more... lightly come behind me and put this choke hold on me his forearm against my Adams apple..he did not put pressure or try to hurt me.... but I could not figure why he would do this to an 84 year old man he had known for years as a friend..later I thought he was a little crazy.... then I wondered what I would do if he was serious...it hard to reach a man eyes in so quick a time or even find them with your hands (fingers)..i was thinking of carrying a short fixed blade knife in my belt and try sticking an attacker....? as far as strength goes my 120 pound wife is stronger than me.....any suggestions?

@Newfielad00 8 жыл бұрын

More vids please Nobody's teaches systema where I live

@alphadiakhite2447 5 жыл бұрын

Cool

@dave2379 7 жыл бұрын

This is one of the more realistic non-brazilian jiu jitsu reaction vids I've watched. I was playing around with it at an open mat session, and while it work the first few times, the boys just hung on in the end. However, if the average joe randomly grabs you, I dont think he/she would be expecting the drop and roll. Therefore, I think its legit... but youd have to be ready for it

@warriorcollective 7 жыл бұрын

That is one of the things about self defence training, you are preparing essentially to pull it off as a complete surprise to the attacker. That is part of why it is much more likely to work in the appropriate context. Training with other athletes in a combat sport is a different kettle of fish. Glad you enjoyed the video so much!!

@kenwu7 6 жыл бұрын

dave2379 exactly on that fall a bjj guy is going to get his back but i don't expect any bjj to go around choking people but hey shjt happens right.

@bobm3250 5 жыл бұрын

First of all ge didnt even apply a BJJ rear naked choke! That choke he did is childish and couldnt choke a chicken

@sempa-sho4142 10 ай бұрын

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@billymorris8079 6 жыл бұрын

Ummmmmm... I'll have to try this out. There are a LOT of kinks in this concept, but I haven't ruled it out. This biggest struggle I have here is that the choke is never escaped. If anything the problem has escalated. Now you're being choked on the ground. But as you mentioned, that's for another lesson.

@TheRapLiker 8 жыл бұрын

I did this to my classmate and threw him into the radiator :))

@warriorcollective 8 жыл бұрын

+TheRapLiker ha ha, be careful with your classmates....

@fucu41 6 жыл бұрын

TheRapLiker i havent even seen the technique.ur comment just seemed cool

@outofthebox7 6 жыл бұрын

A bit dangerous for the throat as the flip is being done, especially if the guy is strong and managed somewhat of a good grip. There is a chance that the other guy wont let go of your neck, or get a hold of it again on the floor. It's still intersting, maybe it just needs some refining.

@johnbergeron3486 7 жыл бұрын

I never use moves that put my life in danger and this one does just that

@MAYH3M0NE 8 жыл бұрын

Have you ever tried this RNC defense against a BJJ black belt , Judo black belt or a good wrestler? If so, how did it go?

@Cin9999 8 жыл бұрын

lol they did not even show a real rear naked from bjj that is BS

@geniusiknowit 5 жыл бұрын

Black belt? Dude, this wouldn't work against a baby white belt.

@eyejab 8 жыл бұрын

will this work if the attacker is little heavier than you?

@theatlantean39 6 жыл бұрын

A little won't matter. A lot might matter.

@alexportugal3986 7 жыл бұрын

Does this work if the opponent weights significantly more than you?

@SciSciToys 7 жыл бұрын

Exactly, if the attacker is much heavier he may be able to not go down and be more stable.

@jitsulee652 6 жыл бұрын

It won't. So the way i learnt it under Gracie defense system in jiujitsu was to apply judo and bend forward lifting the opponent via hip and then lowering your right or left shoulders according to the side he has the choking arm on. This makes them fall down in the classic armbar position.

@igorg.8624 3 жыл бұрын

Can you use your hips to do a Judo throw?

@jamesking5508 5 жыл бұрын

please demonstrate with 200 pound man or heavier,,,how about strike to groin

@daldude178 7 жыл бұрын

please redo the demo: with a proper rear naked choke and an attacker that is heavier than 40 kg...

@SciSciToys 7 жыл бұрын

You'll fall asleep in a second or two, there may not be enough time for this technique.

@geniusiknowit 7 жыл бұрын

"fred my leg froo"

@warriorcollective 7 жыл бұрын

You sound like me trying to pronounce my pidgin french ha ha

@MrBRL 7 жыл бұрын

Looks like a good way to get yourself in a headlock on the ground. Interesting move though.

@theatlantean39 6 жыл бұрын

An absolutely worthless headlock, yes.

@hovismills91 8 жыл бұрын

I started watching these videos after I got into a fight but didn't have the time to start back taikwondo (I think that's how u spell it) I can tell u nothing is worse than having someone choke u from behind in a fight, nothing.

@warriorcollective 8 жыл бұрын

+Hovis Mills That's terrible, I hope you were not injured in your encounter. Some arts lend themselves better to close quarter self defence than others.

@seppseppelmann4259 5 жыл бұрын

Small knife does wonder in such situation...

@Paulklampeeps 7 жыл бұрын

im not gonna do that if the ground is concrete

@sokratesteron5845 7 жыл бұрын

wont work

@LockBoxingAcademy 7 жыл бұрын

legit

@warriorcollective 7 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!!

@Whittmike2011 10 ай бұрын

Then he strangles you on the floor? He didn't let go until you asked!

7 жыл бұрын

Why does your partner let you go after you take him down? He even loosens his grip when he falls down, I guess to avoid causing an injury, but you know, your IRL opponent won't be that kind probably. That doesn't look like a solved situation. (Not to say that the RNC is executed poorly. Just search YT on how to do it properly, b/c there is no point in practicing against a bogus attack.)

@ice11281 4 жыл бұрын

When I was practicing Systema, they told me this is potentially a deadly technique since the attacker can get his head slammed on the ground. I think it'd be good to point this out in the video for people trying to practice this.

@supplechap5429 7 жыл бұрын

1:28, Bugs Bunny?

@Cin9999 8 жыл бұрын

LOL thats not a rear naked ...you did not lock your hand to the biceps and the over behind the head

@fathertroll7649 7 жыл бұрын

Nobody ever covers on what to do if he's fat, I'm not tryna get crushed when he falls.

@zoltancsikos5604 7 жыл бұрын

What you said about the first technique has nothing to do with this technique...2 different techniques for 2 different situations...one isn't better than the other, they're different.

@enkievatoes270 3 жыл бұрын

Blood choke =\= Rear nake choke

@peterpaul9375 7 жыл бұрын

You try to throw your opponent like that while he has his arm around your neck you will break or sprain your neck!!!!

@warriorcollective 7 жыл бұрын

I guess it would possibly depend on how tight they had hold of your neck, I do see where you are coming from though. Like all the videos on this channel, take what works for you and disregard what doesn't. I hope you find other videos more to your liking!!

@theatlantean39 6 жыл бұрын

Well not necessarily. You have to have bad timing and a weak neck

@wadou3 3 жыл бұрын

01:57 "he has to support your weight" ?!! are you serious?! the second that you step forword with your legs trying to put your weight on him you're already dead he will take you down in that second all he needs is to sit down from that position with your neck between his hands than he puts is legs around yours lying down pulling your neck to the back with him and you're bye bye . i respect your work but sometimes you forget that the people outside are smarter and stronger sometimes you can't just come up with some moves and assume that you will fight some idiot in the streets like in the movies you have to assume always that they can be smarter stronger quicker

@pici3473 7 жыл бұрын

BS... this technique will never work.

@theatlantean39 6 жыл бұрын

Asian guy is way too tense, you can't be good at systema and be that tense.

@jonmiller948 4 жыл бұрын

I love to see these clowns go into a real fighting gym and get destroyed. I would advise looking into a Israeli military krav maga technique, legit ones should offer more realistic techniques

@xllab1 4 жыл бұрын

Lmao KM can't do shit against a real choke where youre off balance