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Snow...where? I live in Canada and we've just had a week of 19C In March! does anywhere in the world have snow anymore?

@@SLG493 pittsburgh

There’s tons of Kroot Hunt packs here in UK lol

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I really wish they gave Plasma Rifles Rapid Fire to bump the damage up.

Which terms, so we can do a better job of explaining them?

@@ArtofWar40k How long have you got?! Its a long list. I love the 'verse in its entirety, but no matter how long I hear the same rules referenced, I have a memory like a sieve: they're in one ear, and out the other. I understand that the best way to secure them in my noggin is to actually use my many painted figures in a game. But circumstances don't allow that at present. The offer to help is greatly appreciated, but your time would be better spent helping someone who can actually put it to good use. For all that, I'm still an AOW regular. Keep up the great work, lads. all the best, from northern England Pete

@@ArtofWar40k It’s the same for me, but that’s because I don’t play tabletop… but for some nerdy reason i need to know the meta 📊 🧠

Yeah we like to take risks but we focus on the abilities and it's potential 😎

I was thinking the same thing haha I guess it's up to us to use the awesome info they provide us 😅

They were saying that you start with darkstrider in the Devilfish. That means it doesn't die for starting empty, and it also means the Devilfish gers his scout ability, which lets you move it up so that the pathfinders can scout back to it and embark inside of it

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4+ save. Seems pretty normal to me. Unless he's in a unit, but at that point you're always rolling against the 3+ from regular crisis (which also leads to a 4+ after cover and -1 ap is taken into account). Alone he's just as durable as any other 2+ save unit (well, depends on toughness).

@@theStamax I would take the odds to take the damage on the commander so he would have a 3+ save from ap 3 when he is in cover

@@theStamax He would be a 3+ save in cover. He reduces AP by 1 and then gets the +1 save from cover.

@@Speeds_Gaming_CornerOnly works when he's leading a unit. At the point where you roll against him, he can't be in a unit (Either because he's solo or because his bodyguard died already). There is no way where you can benefit from his rule on his own save.

@@xkoto3143you can't assign wounds to a character before the bodyguard unit is wiped out.

Kroot detachment with backfield fire support maybe, or kroot in the back with mont'ka breacher rush?

The 30" range of both Pulse Rifles and the Turret(which can only fire if the unit remained stationary), combined with the debuff, would probably make it less desirable for enemy infantry to move within line of sight of them. Meaning even at 80 pts, you could potentially deny some infantry movement without actually doing a lot of damage, simply because they do not want the debuff. The thing is, both of these players focus on a very aggressive style, so it would be rare for enemy infantry to be unegaged and out in the open at any point. They would either be in transports, or already engaged with some of your other forces, or even hiding behind cover for a counter attack(you could potentially hit them indirectly, but it would likely require a 6 to hit unless guided).

I assume you are talking about them in retaliation cadre? In 12 inches you pick up ~3.5 marines, in 6 inches 4.67. 14 Guardsmen within 6 inches as well. Tbh it's not terrible, but really depends on what you can target with them. Because they are so squishy and short ranged, that I think you'll probably lose them afterwards. And it's questionable whether or not you'll have made their value back at this point (especially because they also give up bring it down points).

They can be an OK observer for the sunforge

@@theStamax You got that Strategem to give em Sustained Hits 1 against 6-10 bodies and Sustained Hits 2 Against 11+ so don't quite need to get so close.

@@Kingofdragons117 We are talking about Flamers. Sustained won't work for them.

The codex says to use the current MFM. There will be a new one when the codex officially releases in the future.

You can only use stratagems once per turn except for battle tactics that can be used several times by some abilities, but rapid ingress is not a battle tactic so its max 1 per turn.

Yes check out the balance dataslate on the warhammer community documents section and there is a game wide change to abilities that modify stratagem costs or allow you to use the same strat more than once. The rule restricts such abilities to only work on battle tactic stratagems.

Most people are using the current MFM for units that already have MFM points. Any new units you kinda have to use the codex pts for now

@ArtofWar40k thanks for the reply! That was where I was leaning myself but its nice to have some consensus to back the plan up

Yes

Unfortunately now they are a max of 3 per unit, but you can technically bring up to 9 units of them now (3 of each of the 3 types).

Agreed. I'm in the exact same place, excited about most of what we got but salty as hell they snubbed us like that on content.

Fun, but overall low damage due to BS5+, 0 AP and damage 1. They cant be guided or act as spotters, so that is a problem as well. Against a T3, sv5+ unit(most fodder stuff in cover), you would average about 2 wounds. You would need to attack 3-4 units each time you shoot to get somewhat decent value, but it is still just chip damage on multiple units.

​@@fendelphi agree, fun - Not good

Against infantry, yes. But they are talking about the typical high-tier meta, where elites and vehicles dominate. Even with 35 hits(10 flamers average number of attacks), if it is strength 5 and AP 2, you still need a bunch of good roles to take out something like a 5-model Terminator squad(you might kill 2-3 models on average, depending on if they use AoC). Sure, you will absolutely destroy fodder units, and can effective splitfire(and even guide for other units), so they are not a bad unit. But for the highest tier, they will see overall less use than the other 2 variants.

imo it's more of a side grade, riptide is bulkier and can play midfield/push aggressive flanks more efficiently while the fireknives can wait it out and come down when you need them and be a decent backup spotting unit with their inbuilt hit rerolls

It basically refers to cheap expendable units. Chaff is another word for it

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@@ArtofWar40k DAMN! thank you so much!

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@@ArtofWar40k you guys always do such an amazing job. I’m so thankful for you guys! I still think dropping in at 3 inches is worth two CP for sure 😅🫱🏼‍🫲🏾

Welcome to our channel! MSU means multiple small units so instead of trying to build a list with a couple expensive but strong resources, you try and have a lot of units all across the board.

​@@ArtofWar40kThanks :) Ah, that makes sense. One other question - When talking about the Coldstar you mention taking 3 weapons in addition to the stock heavy burst cannon. Do you feel the extra firepower is worth the tradeoff of not getting the shield generator and weapon support system, or am I massively misinterpreting the datasheet and you get those anyway?

They also give up 6 secondary points

They might potentially be a better Eradicator unit, but Sunforge has a much higher minimum buy-in(from what I have seen/heard, it is 165 pts for a unit, 255 pts if you bring an Enforcer Commander), and you have to get closer as well to shoot(12" range weaponry), meaning higher risk/reward play. And then you also have to consider the overall codex. Space Marines have so many tools at their disposal compared to Tau.

Splitfire is -1 BS, not affected by stormsurge ignoring hit modifiers. The ability only applies to -1 to the roll, not the 'target number' if that makes sense

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+1 BS and Ignore Cover are pretty big buffs, especially if you can give it to the majority of your army every turn. I do think Split-fire is over-penalized a bit, now that Crisis Suits are limited to 3(4) models per unit. A -1 to hit(instead of -1 BS) would be ok, as you can negate that with wargear selection for some units, making them feel more specialized and unique. Plasma Rifles are guaranteed 3 damage if they wound and go through the save. Fusion Blasters at range 12-6" can deal between 1-6 damage, so depending on the roll, they will do worse against a lot of targets, and they need to be utilized at much closer ranges in general. That makes Plasma Rifles overall more versatile and reliable. The range reduction is probably to make Missile Pods a decent alternative as the other "versatile and reliable" weapon next to the Plasma Rifle. Range and number of shots vs better rolling and reliable damage. We will have to see the final price points though to determine if it is balanced ok on the actual platforms. Kauyon has worked just fine. It gives you a massive punch up in the later stages, meaning even depleted units can hit relatively hard. Units coming in from reserves also benefit a lot from the massive Sustained Hits2 on all ranged weapons(like a Hammerhead arriving with its Railgun and 2 Seekers). And now the Observer benefits from that part as well(getting Sustained2, rather than Sustained1 when targeting the spotted unit). Kauyon now also have various movement shenanigans to disrupt or intercept the opponent. Kroots are fine. Really. They are not supposed to be fielded in isolation, even in their own detachment(although they will make up the majority there). Getting +1 to hit and +1 to wound on EVERY attack for every Kroot model, once a target is below half strength, combined with the various character abilities, enhancement and Stratagems, can lead to insane damage combos or simply denying the opponent the ability to get onto the field and score meaningful points. Riptides simply have a different identity now. They are no longer supposed to be anti-vehicle or whatever you used them for in 9th(although they can still assist in such kills). This complaint feels more like a "I cant play them the way I used to in a previous edition", rather than looking at how the game as a whole is played now, and what the Tau can bring to the board in this edition.

@@fendelphiThere's a lot of input (thank you for that). I'll try to go over it in order. Yes it's very powerful and as such the whole army HAS to be balanced around it. Basically all their damage calculations are centered around this being on the big damage dealers. The problem is, that it's specifically very punishing on certain units. Especially stuff like Stormsurges, but also Hammerheads for example (where the secondary weapons don't do much, if anything, to tanks). And as you very well know, those are not units you see a lot of. Because a lot of their power (especially Stormsurges) is lost due to their split fire issues. Yes, with Crisis being nerfed, I think this should be fixed. Because CIB split may have been a real problem before, but that's more a unit specific issue rather than the faction rule (tbh I don't think split fire should have ever been so heavily punished. even when CIBs were big pre codex). Plasma Rifles are decent for sure, but usually struggle with reliability against most things. Especially due to the limited shots. I've used them in nearly all my games in 10th and they've never done particularly much. As such I don't think they needed a range nerf. Missile Pots are still kind of bad (Even with the higher range). They are basically decent in Mont'ka, because of the extra ap strat (which pushes them towards reliable). I'm somewhat critical on your Kauyon comment. It's pretty widely accepted how bad Kauyon is as an index detachment. It's one of the reasons Tau had to go down so much, because it was basically Move- Shoot - Move and that's it (so you had one giga crisis blob). It's also not particularly fun not having a detachment rule for most of the game (from personal experience). And yes, they got some ok tricks, but they also lost their most powerful strat and got it replaced with one that's rarely relevant (turn 3+) and one that's certainly neat, but won't carry as hard as the previous Crisis block move shoot move tactics (and I hated that btw, but it was how T'au kinda stayed competitive). As they've discussed in this video, playing Kauyon is like digging yourself out of a hole you start in (and requires very precise tactics for the first 2 turns to minimize losses while maximizing score. One mistake and you're out). Insane Damage Combos? From Kroot? First off, you're not getting the +1 to wound most of the time. The below half strength rule is rarely ever relevant in a meta where units usually get slowly killed. They do not have damage. They can be extremely annoying for sure ... that's basically their detachment. Heck they might even eek out some wins via sheer anti-meta infantry slogging (tbh 120 Kroot with 3 Warshapers for 3 strats is ridiculously annoying to deal with), but damage? No. If they are not meant to be run in isolation, then they should have actual core rule support in the book (aka an army rule and other detachments that work for them). As is, all their rules are in one detachment that doesn't buff T'au at all. Yes, you can bring T'au to fix the holes in pure Kroot (which you can't do anyways at 2000 points), but at that point ... why not just play another, better, detachment. They definitely have some niche applications elsewhere (if their points are lowered). Sticky objectives is quite nice in some detachments and lists. Similarly Kauyon may want the Wayshaper and 2 Farstriders for the screening + redeploy. That's a fair point on Riptides, but it's sort of telling that they ended up at 165p pre-dataslate at their durability. Their shooting is just not good enough relative to their durability. IMO they should be around a 200p unit instead of the weirdly tanky low-mid damage unit we ended up with now. That being said, I'm fine with it either way. But it's always strange if a unit is very tanky for the point cost in that range, because that usually means their shooting is subpar (example Guard. Leman Russ Demolisher at 200p vs the anti tank one at 155p. Both same durability, different weapon and datasheet rule). Lastly, I haven't played in 9th. I've only started in 10th. Tbh 9th sounded awful all around, but that's besides the point. I don't think any of my criticisms really addressed a missing playstyle. It's more about fundamental design failures in the codex. And there are plenty. As someone who's dealt with game design quite a bit, this is not a great performance for a company of GWs size. And, again, I don't mean that these failures happen (because they happen everywhere, for basically any game), but how slowly, if ever, they are addressed.

That's why we focused on the datasheet itself and its rule, how useful it is going to be. In 2 months we will get the points, best to start analyzing right now.

I shall let Q know!

These are probably the best two Tau players in the world right now.

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You can convert Piranhas into them pretty easy. There’s vids on KZfaq

I'm going to be running 3x3 stealth suits instead of tetras

They really aren't anymore. There's enough access to rerolls now I think. Can always get some 3d printed ones. Piranha conversion sounds like a bad idea both for monetary reason and because Piranha's are way too big.