Fire rate is not the reason actually. More important is the damage radius: the highest for cybran - 9 and the lowest for aeon - 5. Huge radius of explosion allows to hit multiple shields at a time, and there is such thing that each shield dome, adjacent to the one being hit, receives 10% of damage (if I remember correctly). That means, while Emissary hits one shield for 100%, disruptor can hit 2 shields for 110% or 3 shields for 120% and so on.

One question, you say that aeon artillery couldn't go through shields at all, and the mistake you made here is threefold 1: Artillery should be ringed by T3 pgens everytime, especially aeon artillery, the fact there wasn't the same test while fully ringed really skewed things against aeon artillery. 2: They also aren't good at the same thing, Cybran artillery is the best at shield pressure, which was what this test asked for, aeon artillery is best to kill a priority target under a shield, liked a SMD or a Game ender under construction. 3: The test has wildly different results against assisted shields, for example you can sustain 4-5 fully ringed Cybran artilleries with 40 hives assisting a seraphim shield, you cannot sustain 3 fully ringed aeon artilleries under the same conditions, their alpha damage is just way too high. In my opinion, the order of artilleries goes like this Aeon > Cybran > UEF > Seraphim. Aeon is just too good with it's accuracy to kill targets of priority to dismiss it, Cybran has the best shield pressure of them, and when paired with an aeon artillery, it's basically impossible tos ustain them without shield assist or shield micro. UEF and Seraphim has a balance between the two but in my oppinion, the fact that the UEF is much more accurate while having only 1 radius less of AoE makes it the superior choice between the two, Seraphim is way too inaccurate to be reliable, at least Cybran counteracts this by faster firing rate and an AoE that's almost double the Aeon one. I've seen a Seraphim artillery shoot at an unshielded constructing Salvation and miss ALL shots until it was finished... I counted, it was 35 shots...

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There is other factors that should be accounted for here, including having t3 pgens around the arty. Also having one accurate shop can be game winning while shooting blanks like the cybren might hit or miss. I dont think the standard deviation of the arty should be looked over so easily.

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Great content, thanks for sharing. Can you do experimental artillery next time? And preferably compare them with and without adjacency

Please compare the T2 fighter bombers!!!

One major problem with this test: Shield type. You only tested vs UEF (or maybe you did more test we don't see?) Shield timings are hugely impactful in arty battles. Even in static scenarios like your test the results would be different. In real games players that are in the know can manually, and to some degree automate, shield timings under fire. Additionally you can manually time arty, including pausing, targeting and staggered shots from multiple depending on the scenario. All in all your video is a great starting point in learning about T3 arty. I don't have the time to put it all in a video but there are sooooo many tricks to shields and arty I could share: How overlap impacts things, how assisting works, how mobile shields on patrol work, timings, t2/t3 layers, standby shields, paused upgrading... It gets crazy!

Great video, I think you need to shoot at maximum range to make a conclusion that fire rate is more important then accuracy)))

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I think the only metric that matters is mass / time to kill Two tests needed for this. One, a base like you did. Two, a single high priority building. Cybran's poor accuracy would be worse on test 2.

The dps given in the tooltip for the emissary is wrong, which might explain its poor performance. If it does 6000 dmg every 20 seconds, that’s 300 dps. Not 600 like the tool tip says.

- Despite the radius numbers listed, i always find that specifically Aeon arty destroys 'Rover Drones' under shields. - Alpha damage is more important for breaking shields when people have massive eco's and assist shields. - Even though all arty gets an advantage from t3 pgens, Aeon see's more benefit because it beats shield recharge where it uniquely did not before (gaining 5 sec is not AS good as gaining 10 sec) - Accurate (Aeon) arty is better for spread out bases, less accurate arty wastes damage hitting nothing and can't stack it's AOE. Aeon>Cybran>UEF>Seraphim In practical purposes, multiple Aeon or Cybran arty are much harder to defend than the UEF and Seraphim which hedged their bets.

Aeon stats say 6000 total damage per shot w/ a shot every 20 seconds. That is only 300 damage a second not 600 which would make them not just the slowest arty but the weakest by far. Is that some sort of typo?

If you are after 'killing one smd' with T3 arty... with Cybran arty you likely already destroyed half the base by the time the smd is gone. With aeon you need some lucky hit. The aeon arty can miss too and even with higher accuracy... the damage radius is tiny. So even if shields are down...

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The numbers for the aeon artillery in the unit sheet are wrong : it shows 6000 damage, 1shot/20s, 600dps ; that cannot be true. Either the dps is 300, or the damage is 3000, or the fire rate is /10s. According to your testing, fire rate is 20s indeed. Hence damage is wrong. OR there is a hidden mechanic somewhere.

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Aeon arty allows huge amount of time to build new shield after downing shield bubbles. Cybran arty has a hugely higher rate of fire and area damage to often not allow new shields to be build.

So question in followup. Were you just testing with 2 artillery per faction or did you also perform tests with higher and lower numbers of artillery? And did you test on larger bases where factors like the accuracy of the emissary and duke could potentially play a bigger factor in breaking down specific shields? Anyway, I enjoyed the video seeing the in depth mechanics is always cool.

Dadddddd what are the build rate/ build cost conclusions for uef and seraphim? Also how do t3 arty stack up to t4?

woulde be cool to see a comparison of experimental arty, tho scathis'd a little different from the rest here

Excuese me Mr Duelist, how can you get this unit testing mod in FAF ??? I had tried cheat mode of Alt + F2, but I don't know why the Alt + F2 doesn't work in game, what have I done wrong ???

Finally aeon isn’t the best at something for once

WHAAAT? I thought the Aion arty had like a "double penetration or double explosion" effect that when you paired 2 of them it and made them fire at the same time, they would basically collapse a single T3 shield in a single volley. Was that removed at some point?

information is incomplete, some nuances are not taken into account

Have they buffed T3 arty in FAF ?? In original FA T3 arty seemed totally useless. In Total Annihilation a Big Bertha was terrifying and when you heard a shell land you were living the fear. (Mainly due to no shields in that game). But in SupCom T3 artillery seems to take 5 times longer to build, and if you only have 1 of them the shots just harmlessly bounce off enemy shields. Or if you target enemy mobile units outside the base, the shell takes so long to land they are long gone.

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Cybran Master Race

They can be usefull againt navy not only bases

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You also need to consider these artillery pieces holistically. Aeon has experimental artillery with insane fire rate. This artillery essentially would nullify shields while Emissary would deliver a precise killing blow. Also, these whole comparisons are useless. 15 seconds does not mean in 30 minutes game. You are going to win or lose depending at how fast you are playing. Such things hardly matters if at all.

Are these mods