Navy SEAL Rifle Slings with "Coch" and Dorr

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In a previous video, "Coch" and Dorr talked about the evolution of operational, tactical boots. In this video, they talk about all of the rifle slings they've used during their careers.
Single-point, two-point, and three-point rifle slings..."Coch" and Dorr talked about them all.
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@Mechman0925 Жыл бұрын

Im not ex- military or law enforcement although I am a fan of raw information from qualified people to help me make decisions, you guys are great and interesting, thank you guys.

@jarvy251 Жыл бұрын

For the SAS-method, it's important to note they did that in part because they were wearing respirators and couldn't get a sight picture with the stock

@colindegrow1475 Жыл бұрын

Dorr channels his inner Jack Burton with the Pork Chop Express patch. Priceless 👍

@castertroy234 Жыл бұрын

These guys are just so easy to listen to. No fluff just business. Love the content

@thebadblokke Жыл бұрын

I love these "historical" gear videos. Keep 'em coming please.

@LondraCalibro9 Жыл бұрын

agreed - I like the anecdotes and experience mixed in. coch is too cool - straight up legend.

@t.bennett5587 Жыл бұрын

I would like to see a video on operating with a sling. Some tips maybe

@travlnchaz239 Жыл бұрын

Coch you gotta bring back that handle bar that looked epic

@scottbarr7409 Жыл бұрын

We ran all 2 point in the mid to late 80's in USMC infantry. The sling you showed that made all the noise. I believe it's called a 'parade sling' now, for good reason. Not tactical in today's world. I like the BFG Vickers sling. Both single & double.. Interesting take on mud, debris, etc. getting in the QD mount, hadn't thought about that, but then, haven't been face-down in the mud for awhile, either.. Great vid as always, fellas. Oh yeah, 3 points sucked..

@craigvisser2593 Жыл бұрын

I've heard that the SAS method of pressing out against their sling with an MP-5 was because while wearing their gas masks, they couldn't get a good cheak weld and proper sight alignment. An example of gear dictating tactics.

@bloodbath3585 Жыл бұрын

Coach do a knife video on not only the ones used in service but just edc knives also.

@thomasbrandon5111 Жыл бұрын

Lived the walk through it brought back memories. I learned about daisy chaining 550 cord to attach to rifle from a SF Sgt when I got to the rivers in Nam as a Mine Force Diver😎 But primary weapon was a knife strapped to a leg, lol. Thanks Again guys.

@dtna Жыл бұрын

Would you please do a video on when you two transitioned from the Weaver stance to the Isoceles stance? I am still using the Weaver stance for handguns. Thinking of switching over. Thnx.

@mikev2761 Жыл бұрын

If you guys only knew the real story of the Weaver stance. 😊

@joshgarrett6760 Жыл бұрын

Weaver stance exposes your unprotected side if you are wearing plate, isosceles puts the armor facing the threat. There are other reasons but this is the basic one.

@5jjt Жыл бұрын

Isoseceles allows you to naturally aim without even using your sights because your centerline will aim at whatever you point your torso to. So, when you bring your gun up, it's ready.

@dtna Жыл бұрын

I once trained with Larry Vickers several years ago when he first got out of the military at the Burro Canyon range and he made me shoot isoceles without telling me why. I understand what you are saying about a plate, but how often do we wear a vest and plate? I only have a vest because I witnessed two N.D.s. And I've only used it 2x when training.

@jeeves2009 Жыл бұрын

@@joshgarrett6760 I often heard this from my NCO’s when I was in the Army, but I’m not sure this is actually the reason for the switch. It seems like competitive action shooters dumped the Weaver for the isosceles stance a long time ago because Weaver just isn’t as efficient. I kinda suspect the whole “plates towards the enemy” thing is just a fringe benefit, and not the main driver.

@scaleworksRC Жыл бұрын

I still have my single point bungie sling as a backup but love the Vickers adjustable sling. Worth every penny.

@MP-xw5um Жыл бұрын

Flat Line Fiber is My new favorite. It's a little lighter than the Vickers Blue Force Gear and works great. Keep calm and gear up...

@pistolgrip44mag Жыл бұрын

I prefer the Magpul MS3 QD two point to single point slings. Simple and easy to transition in.

@berryreading4809 Жыл бұрын

They also have pretty good qd's, but sometimes they will eventually pop out of other brand qd stocks after some wear on both parts... Coch definitely has a good point about them being a possible failure point, I've had several other brands of QD swivels/sockets that were aluminum and wore out, out of spec and would occasionally pop out with certain brands, some where a ball or spring failed causing it to work loose overtime... Atleast with magpul you can get stocks, receiver plates, and forend mounts built around all the exact same specs... Like many other AR components there is certainly a range of dimensions used by different manufacturers in the QD socket/swivel market apparently... 👍

@user-ef2jp3os1h Жыл бұрын

I totally agree on the quick detach style slings. Mud, sand and dirt prevents it from attaching. Furthermore, they rust. Those things always need to be well maintained with a good cleaning and oiling. I'm surprised you guys don't mention Magpul hooks. They're strong, quiet, solid, don't move around in the attachment area much providing for a strong base and support for when you need your sling as a weapon support base when firing. I've only had one issue with the attachment getting stuck in 10 years. Hammered and oiled it and it's still good to this day.

@kaa_man Жыл бұрын

Can you do a video on how to use different (1,2 & 3-point) slings? Thank you

@Sophistry0001 Жыл бұрын

Coch looks like he's barely 18 shaved like that. It's so easy to take for granted the long history of trial and error behind slings to get to the point where we have good cheap 2 point adjustable slings. I think I have a half dozen vickers laying around.

@seanwhite304 Жыл бұрын

I've tried quite a few slings over the years. . I started using WPS QD SLING and I freaking love it . I love not having any adjustments . I didnt think I would like the Bungy system just I love it . I can do anything I need to do without having to swim out . Vtac and Proctor Sling is what I used for the longest time . Vickers 222 and D3 I used for couple years . I sold all my Slings except for the WPS and Proctor . That's Proctor sling is hard to beat for 29.99 back in the day . Nice video bro.. I freaking Love these NSW Gear videos

@scout3058 Жыл бұрын

Been using the same Vickers Blue Force Gear 2 point adjustable since 2018. My favorite out of all the slings I've ever used (USMC issued 2 point M1 sling, 2 point A2 sling, Single point open hook, 3 point, single point aftermarket covered hook, single point aftermarket covered hook bungee).

@paraAA82 Жыл бұрын

Who is that young guy next to Dorr??? We want Coch back!

@colindegrow1475 Жыл бұрын

👍That's so funny! I said the same thing about the their last boot video.

@Scott-qq9jd Жыл бұрын

The sad thing about the noisy sling during Vietnam is that it's the same design as we were using on the M1 Garand in WWII, and even back then people knew it was inadequate. Patton mentioned in his wartime journal that the sling was too complicated and wasn't usable for most situations. He said he almost never saw anyone actually using it.

@King.of.Sparta Жыл бұрын

Have tried tons of slings. I currently run a Blue Force Gear Vickers sling and its perfect. Get one - dont look back.

@mikepeterson9362 Жыл бұрын

I love these "history of" format videos guys, thanks for the great content. I'm a former MP5 instructor who's exactly Coch's age, and to this day I prefer a three-point like HK's R3 sling even on modern M4s. It can be carried on your front muzzle down almost exactly like a one-point, except way tighter to the body. Thanks to the slider, it can also be rotated (without removing or readjusting) on your front muzzle up, but close to the chest to keep it off your knees. From both of which you can shoulder instantly. And from that muzzle-up position it can be spun around like a rock guitar and carried on your back, muzzle down. Or you can even put a little slack in it and use the two sling halves like straps of a backpack, and carry it SUPER secure on your back, muzzle down. And yes, contrary to common belief you still can shoot week-side with these (although the sling admittedly becomes a bit of a cluster-F doing it -- which is exactly why one-points like Dennis Chalker's were invented back in the day). Oh, and as an aside, I'm sure he knows this but Dorr didn't mention that the main clip point for fixing the sling slider isn't on the sling (that was an afterthought). That's what the clip on the left side of an MP5's mag well is for. Damn thing's been around since '64 and it's amazing how many people still don't know that, LOL.

@TheMachelit Жыл бұрын

German Military got a modern 3-Point Sling from H&K and I like it a lot. The quick release helps to transition into a 1-Point style really fast.

@patrickpearson1399 Жыл бұрын

In Somalia I used a 2qt sling on my A2 cause while searching vehicles I needed to swing my rifle away to use both hands. Took my 60 gunners 9mm with me so I had something quick to grab if needed. Duct tape,550 cord can make anything work. Somewhat.

@frankponsell6250 Жыл бұрын

Great that y'all give a history of the evolution from useable to very good!!! Thanks

@ericrumpel3105 Жыл бұрын

AWESOME informative video....Coch's experience is priceless....coming from an even "older" guy....lol...Thanks out to the both of you for sharing your priceless experiences.

@TonyCox1351 Жыл бұрын

These two are the best

@bryansimon4072 Жыл бұрын

Been working slings my whole life, run what works for you and is comfortable to you. Durability and simplicity is key. Great job thanks for your information and experience.

@SplashOfOrange Жыл бұрын

18:58 - I knew I was on to something to not be entirely trusting of QD sling mounts, I just couldn't quite put my finger on it. Thanks Coch!

@twoowls4469 Жыл бұрын

keep the great content coming guys. love seeing the evolution of gear as well as the "made something that would work" side!

@MtnBadger Жыл бұрын

I started running Magpul MS1s with H&K hooks, it has a "fast buckle" like the Blue Force tactical, I added my own tab to it so it looks like everyone else but it's solid gear for about $20 cheaper than the BF. Paying for what's good when there's nothing else close is one thing but if you look today and use your smarts and what works for you, not what others say works for you, you'll find what you need.

@user-gl5kr2ko2q 7 ай бұрын

Think you for every thing you done for people in the USA

@bullfrogcep Жыл бұрын

Dorr Love the "jack Burton" Pork Chop express patch!!!

@pg234forreal Жыл бұрын

Love these shop-talk videos. Thanks fellas

@scottfortune9016 9 ай бұрын

I knew I watched a video with you guys talking sounds, so I registered it since I'm looking to get slings on my gear. Thanks for going over the old and new. In case you're wondering, I was eyeing Vickers padded sling.

@PeterKNoone 7 ай бұрын

Super entertaining and educational as usual. Thank you guys.

@9873459872134234 6 ай бұрын

Great info! I 100% agree on running hooks instead of QD anywhere dirt may be an issue. Simple and reliable is better.

@perryparsons9960 Жыл бұрын

Totally different occupation, same environment. Anything that can,will snag, break, stick or freeze up. KISS has proven over time to be effective and reliable.

@maxmarquardt371 Жыл бұрын

Love your videos! Boys back in the Nam days even wrapped and taped their olive towels round their slings. Especially M60 gunners. They used to improvise everything. Nearly every grunt, partly even in line infantry units (mostly draftees) used tape for their slings pretty quick. SOF units like LRRPs used for their XMs just two strings of paracord. Really interesting how everything changed since then. Anyways: Keep up the great work! Cheers from Germany!

@MF-Rell Жыл бұрын

Coch, "Yeah, HR was in its infancy". 🤣

@AndyCigars 9 ай бұрын

Great stuff, as always! 👍🏻

@jerrymayo4571 Жыл бұрын

I love hearing your experiences, and thank you both for sharing and protecting our great country. While listening to you talk it came to me WHAT AN EXCITING AND DANGEROUS LIFE YOU BOTH HAVE LIVED and I can see where one would actually miss it, miss the excitement, miss living on the edge. Oh the stories you could tell!!!!! IT is a very very special club you two belong to. keep it going fellas, i have no doubt I'm not the only one who enjoys it

@MrDustinclement Жыл бұрын

I love these videos guys thanks!

@TheGingerBreadMan1987 Жыл бұрын

Life-long lover of anything Navy SEAL 🇺🇸🦅⚓🔱 Thank you guys for your service, and the amazing wealth of knowledge you are giving people like myself.

@lostdogaonny Жыл бұрын

Thank for the variety of options and the history. I know nothing about this. Building my first rifle. Takes time. Learning what things are and the purpose now.

@oathtaker2768 Жыл бұрын

Another great video, thank you.

@jdmznet Жыл бұрын

Very informative -- thank you!

@justinsmudde2554 3 ай бұрын

Great breakdown!

@magnusboner291 11 ай бұрын

@Tactical Hyve How about a discussion on ammo, and suppressors some day?

@issahumps Жыл бұрын

I had a mamba wolf hook (was just a mamba sling but broken into 2 parts) and carabiner to my vest. After a house bomb in 2008 Iraq my m4 was bent but rifle was still attached to my vest 😂

@angrytuareg Жыл бұрын

thanks for the Class ...good shit

@laughingdog6010 Жыл бұрын

Very cool history, very good info.

@Mike_Y. Жыл бұрын

Thanks guys, good shit

@wolffo999 Жыл бұрын

great vids - thx

@zook420000 Жыл бұрын

love the info about the history too

@believejesusislord578 Жыл бұрын

Great job 👏

@eld2349 10 ай бұрын

The way i had always seen the 1pt sling worn, was with a bungie style, put your left arm through the loop, then pass the whole sling aroun the back of the neck, and over the front of your right shoulder. It lets the rifle hang between your arm and side, and seemed to work when we were out on patrol. Also keeps you from racking your nuts on sidearm transition.

@pisom4314 7 ай бұрын

great info!! lots of ways to sling a gun

@jezrix7257 11 ай бұрын

Aussies didn’t sling in Vietnam. As we used the FN-FAL, (SLR), it was impractical. Even the forward scouts that had M16’s didn’t use slings. It’s now an integral part of the new age warfare with new age weapons.

@cuckertarlson3329 Жыл бұрын

The m4 hand guard on that a1 style upper is cancer 💀

@leroybishop2245 Жыл бұрын

Dorr looks so engaged when Coch is speaking🤔. The Teams showed us the single point sling back in the day and as an old fart I still use it.

@bradslone2409 Жыл бұрын

I really like the Blue Force Vickers Combat application sling. I have the padded version two point with the pull tab to loosen or tighten it. It is a good piece of gear and makes it more comfortable to carry. I don't have it set up with a QD i just put a loop of Paracord on my rail and attached the sling to it like that. I like seeing videos like this of you kind of showing the evolution of equipment throughout your time.

@saevo1167 Жыл бұрын

I can't believe someone else has those Porkchop Express patches!

@ryanh6081 Жыл бұрын

Great video and appreciate info fr legit sources. Picked up a couple slings from Snakeater tactical and customized them a bit. Super impressed with their quality, simplicity, and are reasonably priced. Did add a couple things GBRS suggested

@AUTOxMATIK Жыл бұрын

you gonna do optics next?

@tehflemin Жыл бұрын

Great vid

@jetjaguarXP Жыл бұрын

Aw man! There I was carrying an A1 or A2 on my back in the 80's and 90's and I never thought to DIY a better sling... I guess that's because I was always driving a truck... LOL

@overseas_demogod Жыл бұрын

Slings are like calculus. Complicated and confusing but brilliant when it works. Them damn three points snagged everything...I just put a Vickers sling on everything.

@vertigoidaho4725 Жыл бұрын

Pressing out against the sling is even more relevant this month (June 2023). If you choose to remove the brace from your pistol, pressing out against the sling allows a good sight picture with recoil mitigation.

@kennethwood713 Жыл бұрын

so true on QDs , hooks only, former recon

@luckyomen Жыл бұрын

I still consider the parade sling a valid option if you need to use it. It's not all that different from other 2 points.

@BigT683 Жыл бұрын

I had a viking sling back in the day and absolutely loved it

@miketaylorID1 Жыл бұрын

Love the historical retrospective vids-whether it’s the gear or the SOPs, it’s all fascinating. One topic I don’t think has been covered but I’m sure the lads tuning in would want to know about. THAT BAR!!! what’s the deal with that slice of paradise?!?! To my mind, it’s just a few steps - stage right- to the salty surf! Where? How? Why? Do you offer any drink specials? Can I get a plate of conch fritters? do tell!

@robertlight2007 Жыл бұрын

As a rigger, I made so much gear… from slings to H- gear to dive gear. SEALS our us (supply) didn’t help much because they were restricted to mil-stock.

@mobilegamersunite Жыл бұрын

Love my paracord sling....it goes through my pistol brace to make an awesome connection 😎

@Justbase Жыл бұрын

appreciate it a lot.

@ibpositivemostly7437 Жыл бұрын

Cool video thanks.

@jimplantinga6288 3 ай бұрын

Very helpful, thank you. I've been struggling with this... LOL

@AFGixxeR88 Жыл бұрын

Esd or ferro concepts is my favorite sling. Lots of good options these days, gbrs, spiritus systems etc

@generussell4751 Жыл бұрын

Good job

@hbarwickjr 9 ай бұрын

Just what I needed to understand the various types of slings and find the right one. Why not learn from the best? :)

@PapaDon850 Жыл бұрын

Coch always reminds me of my Uncle David, Brigade CSM, U.S. Army 82nd Airborne (Ret) Same era of 💪😎👊

@jamesboaz4787 Жыл бұрын

@ 9:15 :O WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAN? lmao

@Wlvrtnjm Жыл бұрын

I've got a few qd slings still around, but as they fail, I just put Paracord loops with electric tape and melt it all by together.

@hendrix923 Жыл бұрын

i wish I could put bfg on everything but for range stuff or things I dont use much I get STI 2 point slings. theyve held up really well, have the adjustable tab, strong and a lot better than the entry slings from most other companies, only 25 dollars as well.

@nicomontanez33 Жыл бұрын

That pork chop Express patch is so sick

@RougeSanta Жыл бұрын

The stone brewery sign is badass

@patrickmedarac7253 Жыл бұрын

You use what works for you

@ilovepotatos Жыл бұрын

I love the Pork Chop Express, its a nice tie in to US Army and their victory over China at Pork Chop Hill🇺🇸

@geraldmiller5232 Жыл бұрын

i like my way of using the sling better than anything you have shown.

@berryreading4809 Жыл бұрын

I saw that polymer lower! 🧐 But I'm a big fan of the KP-15 design, so I'm no hater! There was definitely a good reason Colt wanted to make these in the late 60's/early 70's but the polymer industry just wasn't quite there, Personally I think the KP-15 is pretty freakin awesome, especially compared to the earlier attempts at a lightweight monolithic polymer lower 🤙

@SnapD24 Жыл бұрын

Hold up. I don't get the zip-tying and taping of the sling. Did sling swivel mounts have a ridiculous failure rate?

@kylesouthward4233 Жыл бұрын

Have yall tried the McLean Sling? its rapid adjust 2pt to 1pt. I use it on my AR Pistol and Love it. done a few basic rucks with it, but no real torture test yet. I believe it was designed by a Seal as well

@fluffles9591 Ай бұрын

I think dorrs the one jumping on truck in intro

@paulwilson8672 Жыл бұрын

Great Video!!! It's funny where sand ends up and makes Murphy's Law come true.

@MrJbrew69 Жыл бұрын

My favorite modern sling is the WPS sling in either version. You cant beat em.

@rmmm6725 Жыл бұрын

Hilarious how obsessed people are with SEAL teams. There are so many special forces in every branch and it’s always about the seals. Off the top of my head I can think of 2 in the Air Force that are better trained and competent then the SEALS. TACP and Pararescue. But I guess if seals keep making movies and writing books the public will be enamored with them

@Swngflwr 8 ай бұрын

The rubber band thing is a fine solution but with all the seamstress work you boys did on your kit, nobody did double loop Velcro? Does anyone do that now? Seems like it would be a natural next step.