Tacx NEO 2T Smart Trainer: Details // Unboxing // Initial Review
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Күн бұрынThe flagship direct drive trainer from TACX gets an update with the Neo 2T. With a more powerful motor/resistance unit, quieter operation, and native thru-axle support. Pedal stroke analysis is soon to be implemented in the form of Cycling Dynamics. Here's all the details, the unboxing, and my initial review (not final review) of the Neo 2T Smart. Please subscribe to support this KZfaq channel: bit.ly/3aUph9W
Updates to the NEO 2T at a glance:
- Native thru-axle support (no adapter required)
- More powerful resistance unit (Addressing "virtual tyre slip")
- Even quieter operation (Internal neodymium magnets realigned)
- Pedal Analysis supporting open standards (More compatibility)
NEO 2T Unit Specifications:
- Direct Drive Interactive Smart Trainer
- Bike compatibility: QR 130/135mm. 142x12mm and 148x12mm Native Thru-Axle.
- Shimano/SRAM compatible freehub. (No cassette supplied)
- Wireless protocols: ANT+, ANT+ FE-C, Bluetooth Smart, Bluetooth FTMS
- Data Transmission: Speed, Cadence, Power, (+ trainer control)
- Power Accuracy Claims: Lower than 1% error
- Calibration: Not required! Nice!
- Grade simulation: 25%
- Max wattage: 2200W
- Downhill Drive / Road Surface Simulation.
- Flywheel size/weight: "Mass inertia" 125kg / 275.6lbs
- Noise level: Really quiet. Really. (Magnet realignment)
- Unit weight: 24.8kgs/54.7lbs (whole box)
- Works with or without a power supply (no downhill drive w/o)
- Front wheel riser block supplied
Tacx Neo on Amazon: bit.ly/tacxazon
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@targetpace2680 4 жыл бұрын
I’d wait for the final review thank you for the honesty.
@Metrowitch 3 жыл бұрын
I recently bought one of these along with a Trek Domane, and had already watched another of your (excellent) videos on Neo trainers when trying to get it set up - but I felt compelled to leave thanks here because not even a minute in, you've already provided far more information than Tacx themselves did. Here I was faffing about, failing to make their included adapter work with my thru-axle frame, when I should have just inserted the bike's own all along! The manuals for these are *terribly* lacking. So, thanks for all the other information - and the nifty factory shots! - but thanks too for explaining what the makers themselves did not see fit to. Made my evening. ;D
@timdixo 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve eventually become accustomed to the Neo tyre slip but I did try my Kickr out a while back and it’s just so smooth in comparison to the Neo. Kudos to Tacx for fixing this Achilles heel.
@billblake4029 3 жыл бұрын
Shane, greetings from Ohio. Sorry I'm a little late to the party. I just wanted to let you know that your review was really phenomenal. Excellent work Sir.
@CharleyBoy22 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!! I'm in the market for a new trainer. I was looking at the Neo 2. I'll wait for you updates on the 2T to see which one to go for.
@welshgreek1252 4 жыл бұрын
Great, well presented & honest overview, thx Shane.
@r0bv123 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Shane for another stellar review! Glad I waited and going to pull the trigger with fall/winter season around the corner.
@williambeshilas9358 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome review / analysis!
@mikeprytherch8875 4 жыл бұрын
Tease :) NeoBike.... I want to retire my Neo1 just like you, will wait a little longer before going for the N2T, another great video... thanks Shane... and you don't look too tired for a new dad
@cambrown6884 4 жыл бұрын
Great little easter egg on the Tacx Neo Bike 🤣🤣🤣
@stephentait8734 4 жыл бұрын
Tacx reply to me saying i just bought the Neo 2, and that i was not happy "We are sorry to hear this. But the only difference is that you don't have to use the special thru axle adapter when your bike has 12 mm thru axles. So please do not worry you still have a very good trainer with all same support and firmware updates."
@JM.TheComposer 4 жыл бұрын
This is really useful in terms of the initial setup. I got my Neo 2T today, and it's still in the original box. Looking forward to unboxing!
@eyebike 4 жыл бұрын
What is your experience?
@czts4778 3 жыл бұрын
Does it have a production date on the item?
@JM.TheComposer 3 жыл бұрын
@@czts4778 I can't find a manufacturing date anywhere on my Neo 2T (both the unit and the retail box). It's only the serial number.
@JROCKG23 4 жыл бұрын
My New 2T arrived on Tuesday and I did my first ride on Wednesday. The powers numbers seemed to be -1/+1 against my favero Assioma duo power pedals. I say seemed because I didn’t use a overlay program to compare the data I just simply looked at the two screens while I rode. Overall I’m very happy with it. Also I was unable to get any wheel slip which is great. I’m not a sprinter by any means but I tried to get it to slip from short burst of power to about 1200 watts and it held firm. Also the erg mode felt a little more sudden then my kickr when it engages but not much difference there. Overall I like it better then the kickr.
@aguas7394 4 жыл бұрын
I purchased a Tacx Neo 2 in February with the expectation that Tacx would be unleashing new tech through software or firmware updates over time. With the launch of the Neo 2T only a few months later, I wanted to reach out to someone who might have an inside scoop on whether we Neo 2 owners should expect to be screwed for new features, or if Tacx still intends to provide much anticipated releases like the road surface release they did with the original Neo. Thanks for your insight!
@buj3 4 жыл бұрын
This video was great. Not seen too many recently (shame on me) but the unboxing is fantastic and the nerdy but not too nerdy look at the internals was great to see. Doing a great job! Ordered one 5 minutes before your video but 5 minutes after the DCRainmaker one...... my guess and hope is that it will be sorted pretty sharpish. Now how much is a coplate for it? Lol
@greedyman167 4 жыл бұрын
Great point on “where is that Neo Bike”!
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
It’s shipping now. No sign of one in the Lama Lab though.
@keirinmaster 3 жыл бұрын
I'm, getting ready to order this. I believe they now have an adapter kit for 135 x 12 thru-axles (Part # S0040), which my 2015 Specialized Diverge Carbon Comp has.
@rgfrobotics 4 жыл бұрын
wow! nice!
@robevans8625 4 жыл бұрын
Your amazon link shows 22% 1 star reviews is the quality control at taxc still lacking after the debacle with the flux???
@MikkelsenR 4 жыл бұрын
This I’m gonna get, have the original neo i’m and very happy with it, but I do have a thru axle bike.
@fancystacy 4 жыл бұрын
My bike uses 15x110 kabolt but it is not supported. What is the point to boast about thruaxel support if they really don't?
@benjaminanderson8282 4 жыл бұрын
You willing to sell it?
@gbkuyper 4 жыл бұрын
@@fancystacy In the rear end? That should be your fork.
@050Rolandos 2 жыл бұрын
Time for an updated version of this? Looking to get myself a trainer for the upcoming european winter, usually the top of the line is the way to go. But I can't say I'm very pleased with the results as shown. My NGeco would be more accurate, would love to see a 2021 review of the NEO 2T :)
@holsius 2 жыл бұрын
Is ngeco showing bigger wattage numbers? I have same setup and p2max showing 5% bigger numbers. Tested in erg mode, smal chainring, straight chainline, clean chain etc. at 200 250 300 wats. P2max shows 5% bigger numbers.
@poopscoop2000 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Shane, any news on whether Tacx are getting the accuracy sorted on the 2T? Looks like my Core is going back so just about to get the 2T as it's on offer in the UK at the moment. Thanks!
@davidrouse88 4 жыл бұрын
You mention inputting the rider weight in the utility app under device settings, can and should this be done with a Neo 1? Can’t see a device settings tab in the app? Thanks for the review.
@csealby 4 жыл бұрын
I’m looking to upgrade my old elite force mag wheel on trainer to a smart trainer, I know wahoo are hard to get hold of at the moment, but I can’t make my mind up between this the tacx neo 2T or the kickr, any help would be greatly appreciated.
@coolhandluke1978 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like it had the potential to be the gold standard, however at £1199 I’m now thinking that the Saris H3 at £849 is a misprint.... or an absolute steal 😊
@AirForceArchive 4 жыл бұрын
Is this connectable with Garmin Connect? Or do i need a separate device?
@rossfoulkes8856 4 жыл бұрын
Awsome vid Shane! At 7:52 you mention the way the flywheel goes bananas when you wind things up and stop pedaling. What did you do to stop this? It really only started on my Neo 2 after I applied the .27 update. This morning I finished training and had my shoes and HRM off well before the flywheel stopped spinning. At one point I thought it was stuck in a simulated descent. Edit: It seems to hover around the 7km/hr mark for an extended period. I'm guessing that's to help with the slipping in the older units.
@simongarland5678 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane, I am a light rider and descents on simulators are unrealistic. -4% and still having to put in decent wattage to go 22mph!! does the Neo downhill drive make downhill speeds more realistic or just stop the flywheel from slowing down? Not sure whether to get a Neo 2 or Wahoo Kickr
@CubaJam 4 жыл бұрын
Is it normal that in lower speeds or at the beginning that it isn't fluent and works with a very low vibration ? I feel all the time a vibration in my feet.
@Primetime_dads 4 жыл бұрын
Do you pair your power meter to the trainer. And just use the trainer residence and go off what your power meter says, or you got to keep it in erg mode
@mattcostall5321 4 жыл бұрын
I love my Neo 2, hate the virtual tyre slip on the bonus climb in Zwift. Gutted and frustrated that a device that I've had 6 months is out of date and have to pay for a whole new unit to resolve issues. That being said I try not to let it ruin my new found love for indoor training. Great review again Shane
@artyboy1377 4 жыл бұрын
I'm in a far worse scenario, I bought the Neo 2 a month before the Neo 2T was launched LOL. I'm a casual cyclist and would specifically avoid elevated roads if i can so the the virtual tyre slip is not an issue with me. What i am unhappy about is that Tacx was made aware of this issue on the Neo 1 but still refused to rectify it on the Neo 2.
@theclutteredbasement4081 2 жыл бұрын
Have you come accross any overheating issues, or other big issues, on the NEO 2T or the wahoo kickr? Cannot make up my mind which one to purchase in 2022.... Coming from a kickr snap (its just getting up there in years/miles), i'm to cheap for the fancy wahoo fan ( walmart boxfan $18) or the wahoo climb (i'll just lean back and forward for that price!).
@SebastianR92 3 жыл бұрын
Is there any Update on power issues? I just received a brand new neo 2t. Previously been riding a kickr core which was on par with the power reading on my Assioma duos. My 2t is below quite a bit.! E.g. Just did a ftp test avg 20 min power on my 2t was 323w and according to my duos i was pushing 334w that is close to 3,4% difference, which is kinda frustrating when doing zwift races!!
@bigredokc 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this review. I too have the NEO 2T and vector 3 pedals and have noticed the 10 or so watt difference. I recently put a bike on the trainer that has the new Sram AXS Quarq power meter and noticed the exact same thing. I called Garmin and they had no answers for me. I thought maybe i was doing something wrong. Seeing this video and looking at your tests let me know that the Neo 2T just has that much difference in the reading. Is there anything i can do on Zwift that will compensate for the difference? I don't want to give up the Neo 2T. I love everything about it just give me the extra 10 to 15 watts :-)
@bojansaksida3625 3 жыл бұрын
maybe a stupid question, but.......is there any difference in reality as on this test, the difference in power on the crank vs on the wheel(casette-tackx) as it is in cars? some loss because of the chain?
@aram9000 4 жыл бұрын
I have $1,000 - $1,400 for a smart trainer. Not sure if I should go with Tacx Neo 2T or Wahoo Kickr, unsure if the ERG and accuracy issues have been resolved on Tacx Neo2T. Which would you go with?
@georgeasgari4079 4 жыл бұрын
Thank for the awesome and well curated content. Any follow-up analysis for Neo 2T trainer?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
It’s on the the cards
@PersonaN007Grata 4 жыл бұрын
I was on the fence between Wahoo Kickr 2018 and Tacx Neo 2 but after pouring hours researching online, it seems that the Kickr 2018 has a lot of problems (even though they said it was fixed). There's people that are on their 3rd, 4th, and even 5th unit after the revised S/N. I was really hoping for Wahoo to announce a 2019/2020 model for EuroBike this week but apparently they were too busy developing the Kickr Bike. But since Tacx announced the Neo 2T and your review looks positive, I decided to place a pre-order at Clever Training. Now I just need to endure the outdoors for another month until it arrives. Thanks!
@thomasmountain7791 4 жыл бұрын
You did weel. I initially bought the wahoo but it died last week (speed sensor dead as forum's related, even if it was a gen2) so in I did a panic buy (covid crisis lockdown kind of panic) and bought the neo2t as finally I prefer a trainer off 10 watts and Wich always works than a perfect trainer but randomly dying every 1/6 month. Hope you are well
@halwye 4 жыл бұрын
Was hoping for a comment at the bottom from you Shame, giving us a heads-up of the rapid 2T firmware update from Tacx to fix the power discrepancy issue(s). But over a month, and still can't find anything. Is there another video detailing this. Or are we all still patiently waiting. (Haven't yet picked up on racers dropping a cat). Really appreciate the no holes barred objectivity (you and Ray) - such a breath of fresh air in our muddy e-world.
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Still waiting.....
@CoreProject05 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama new FW is out :) fingers crossed
@molfar9049 4 жыл бұрын
is it worth the wait and extra $250? neo2 is on sale in my part of the world and ETA on 2t is sometimes between oct15 and first week of november. seems like you’re the only man who had the chance to ride both. tia.
@lsgutah 4 жыл бұрын
Shane, question. I have a neo1. It’s struggling finding gears. I have a disc brake ultegra di2 and it shifts perfectly on my rear wheel but struggles on the trainer. Any ideas?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
One for a mechanic to look at. Sometime there’s magic required only they can solve.
@Primetime_dads 4 жыл бұрын
What about bike weight , need to do that too right . Also I got a giant tcr and I had the bike shop out a 32 on the neo, then I brought it hone and can’t even get my bike on it . It’s like the back forks of my bike or to narrow. Anyway I got get to a bike shop ASAP
@xiaoliuwu8539 4 жыл бұрын
Hope they sort things out. I am glad they add native thru-axle connectivity. I have a Tacx neo 2 and a BMC Roadmachine. The thru-axle adapter doesn't work well with my bike. I ended up putting the lever on my drive side and my bike sometime hit the end cap on the other side.
@poptheshield7205 4 жыл бұрын
my scott foil disc had the same issue with neo 2 so I returned it and got a refund. Waiting on the release of the 2t now.
@xiaoliuwu8539 4 жыл бұрын
@@poptheshield7205 I bought neo 2 when it was launched and has been using it for about 8 months. So far my bike hasn't broken lol but I do stay seated for the majority of the time and try not rock hard when standing. Hope u have fun on 2T 😁
@cschmi9624 3 жыл бұрын
Its now 2021, has firmware addressed accuracy issues?
@Jazzysoda 4 жыл бұрын
We just got a new NEO2 T and both my wife and I immediately found it "Harder" (reading LOWER watts) than our usual bike mounted STAGES - so we just tested everything side by side and sure enough there is a 15-20 watt gap between the 2 sources (again with Neo reading LOWER). This is baffling to us for a couple of reasons and since I referred to this video as part of our shopping process I wanted to share this as your 1 critique was related to power accuracy! We have latest firmware installed on the new Neo2T, and using our freshly calibrated STAGES Power Meters & Stages APP, you can see a very consistent 15-20 watt difference. I was under the general impression that Smart Trainer (integrated) Power Meters would almost always read HIGHER (more generously) than any Bike Mounted Power Meter (True? False?) so this comes as a real surprise. My hunch: since the sole purpose of this new "T" model is to address the former slippage issue, perhaps they have somehow "overshot" with the base calibration in the process? IS there a way to calibrate this thing NEO2T or are we stuck with this reading? For now we have to continue using our STAGES power meters in order to ensure consistency with our data (we've been using our STAGES indoors and out for years now). Thoughts!?!?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Stages dual or single sided?
@Jazzysoda 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama single sided - but we each have different strong and weak legs so one of us should be "high" and the other "low" when doubling Stages number, no? Even then, 20 watts is a monster gap IMO. For consistency sake we'll have to stick to our Stages for now - just can't believe its so far off!
@seppelol 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Shane, great video , some info i can't really find anywhere and i am new at this. What do you do with your disc brake on these trainers, do you lock them out with the plastic clip thingy so you don't accidentally push them or do you trust yourself just not to hit the brakes for any reason? or is there another way? thx
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
I put in a disc spacer.
@demacherius1 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the insight. Is there a new Kickr also ? Im not looking forward to talk with garmin support about a bad designed neo2t
@poptheshield7205 4 жыл бұрын
Nope, no new version of the kickr. I just got a reply from wahoo customer support.
@poopscoop2000 4 жыл бұрын
Oh, anyone able to tell me if Road Feel (or whatever it's called) still doesn't work over Ant+ on Zwift? Apparently it only pairs on BT at the moment on the 2T.... Until a Zwift update. This is from Tacx Faqs.
@richardmathers7238 4 жыл бұрын
Any update on neo bike mate ? Any chances to specs etc
@fiftyoneindustries2 4 жыл бұрын
Still no carry handle. Fear not, I'm fixing that as we speak
@airguillo31 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Shane I see the same differences on my Neo 2 and Vector 3. Did you do the advanced weight test and calibration on yours? Mine showed with L 96% and R 97% do you think I should return my vectors and have them replaced?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Your call. I get asked many times daily to verify power meters over the Internet, it’s impossible for me to make assessments. If you’re unhappy, return them.
@n.heroep2786 4 жыл бұрын
Does the new 2T resolve the issue of the rear derailleur rubbing the casing when riding on 32 cogs. I know that was the big issue with my Neo 1. People worked around it by adding a spacer behind the edco hub. I wonder if this is still the case.
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
No physical change to the casing I’m aware of.
@teriemer 4 жыл бұрын
I would love if TACX would add the functionallity "Align with powermeter". With that I'm mean make some kind of of alignment with my Quarq. I just can't take having two different wattages while riding indoor. Both PM's stating they're 1-1,5% accurate. However, the Quarq is the one I know and have been riding with the whole season. So that's what I know and are used to. Of course it should be able to reset the alignment; that is going back to factory setting. Maybe an idea to think a bit about... Maybe you can pass it on to Tacx...?! ;-)
@dmalcantara 4 жыл бұрын
Simple solution, use one source only:)
@1972andyb 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid Shane, as always. Any plans do to anything with Flux 2? I got one earlier this year & love it so far. Not used it for a while as it’s UK summer ☀️☀️☀️☀️😉
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Yes... maybe. It's not often asked about, so it hasn't been on my radar. I think Tacx are reluctant to send me anything with 'Flux' given my history with the first few units sent. If I can get a hold of one I'll cover it.
@1972andyb 4 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah I saw those vids of flux. Many thanks 🚲👍
@ghdr2684 4 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Spain. I'm interested in replicating my own gps tracks on the roller. I know this is possible, at least in Bkool ... Do you know if Tacx or Elite (are the two brands that interest me) can do this? For example, go to your Garmin Connect, select a route of yours and replicate it on the roller? Thanks in advance.
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
This might answer your question: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o8WIa5Wfz8uzaH0.html
@NickM-qq2by 4 жыл бұрын
Shane - from your experience are there any differences in terms of noise, performance and/or shifting quality between using a Shimano 105, ultegra or Dura Ace cassette and chain?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
I want to believe Ultegra/DA feel and sound a little better... but I'm sure it's just me trying to justify the extra money spent. An Ultegra cassette is quieter than a SRAM PG-50 or whatever is supplied on the Kickr... As for performance. No difference watt for watt.
@danellis1064 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane. I've got a new 2t. I did have a kickr bit had issues. My question is the kickr seemed to be alot smoother on erg. Mode held the Watts within 1 or 2 Watts had a nice smooth line on zwift. But my neo has a bumpy line and power fluctuates between 10 and 20 Watts maybe more.
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Were you using ERG Power Smoothing on the Kickr? That is enabled by default and will show an artificial flat line when in ERG. Power will bounce up and down depending on how smooth you are. The 2T is a little rougher than the Kickr.... Also update the 2T with the latest firmware (0.32 I believe).
@simonbussey7530 4 жыл бұрын
Finally virtual tyre slip fixed! (You just have to buy a new Neo lol)
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Or you could buy a Kickr? 🤷🏻♂️😉
@Edgar-uj9fh 3 жыл бұрын
@@gplama It's too late for me, since I recently made a rather impulsive purchase of the Tacx Neo 2T, but I'm wondering whether we should be concerned about what the author of this video had to say about the product. The KZfaq video can be found here (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p96KdtKaptmbl30.html). Specifically, he warns about a bearing in the Neo that fails in relatively short order, and the difficulty in getting satisfaction from Garmin/Tacx.
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
@@Edgar-uj9fh You're covered by warranty. As is Drew and his unit. They now have a replacement bearing/housing available too. I have no issues with the NEO2T at this point in time post a number of updates... but this is up to Garmin PR to deal with people making videos and claims such as this.
@ssaunders2k 4 жыл бұрын
Have Tacx fixed the power numbers you found with the Neo 2t since you made this video. Thinking about getting one, but might get the Neo 2 instead if the numbers are still off.
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Still chasing the kind of numbers I see on the NEO 1. Stay tuned... maybe.
@FrankKrauthauser 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! Did you experience any problems with your rear disc brake caliper on the N2T being to close to the housing? Or noticed any changes? Thanks!!
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Same as the Neo2. Clearance was close on the TCR, but no problem.
@ajconnol1 4 жыл бұрын
Shane Miller - GPLama did you put the spacer in place?
@eduardosugai 4 жыл бұрын
Let me ask you. I have a neo1 and when I use my mtb with disk brake (160mm) and QR, I need to remove the brake because it hits the trainer. Does it still happen? Or has it been solved?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
That depends which model Neo 1 you have. There are two models with different shell/cases for clearance.
@eduardosugai 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama i have the W modem, that should have better compatibility
@darrelloh1627 4 жыл бұрын
Could the difference in power reading be when the power is measured? Power measured at the pedals is like measuring an engine at the crankshaft, powered measured at the wheel factors in driveline losses.
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
That could account for a few %, maybe. If the readings were due to drivetrain loss then it doesn't explain why the same setup on the Neo 1 were almost perfect.
@Saterik82 4 жыл бұрын
Is there any way to retrofit the new native thru-axle support from the 2T to the previous Neo 2?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
No
@nealbouterse838 3 жыл бұрын
How do you determine wich adapter you need for the thru axel? i'm having trouble to figure this one out ;) (having a Giant Contend SL 2 Disc)
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
One for Tacx/Garmin Support.
@NessMeister 3 жыл бұрын
So if you have 2 bikes, one with thru-axles and 1 with quick release, you need to remove the cassette and install the correct adapter each time you swap bikes?
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
Just the adapters need to be swapped out. Sounds like a pain to do each time you want to swap bikes.
@christopherreid6972 7 ай бұрын
Just wondering, I’ve changed the cassette on my Tacx Neo from a 11 speed to a 12 speed, I’m now getting a rubbing noise and the chain is jumping from the biggest gear. Will l have to change the rear hub to stop the noise etc?
@gplama 7 ай бұрын
That’s one for Garmin/Tacx support.
@ppham 3 жыл бұрын
So should I buy this now or kickr
@wolfgang_658 4 жыл бұрын
Nitpickers Corner: When you compare accuracy of the Neo and Vector 3 you have to aggregate the error margins of both devices. So the difference in watts allowed is not 1% but 2%.
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Assuming both are off by the maximal allowable percentage, in opposing directions. With the Vector 3 being two independent power meters, the chances of that happening to a maximum of 2% is... low. I'd think. Either way, this didn't match the performance of the Neo 1 across four pedal based meters, and two other crank power meters. Work still to be done I think.
@wolfgang_658 4 жыл бұрын
Perfectly true Shane, let‘s all hope Tacx can sort it out. Keep up the good work! Thanks!
@garry247 4 жыл бұрын
Sept 2015 Neo is launched. November 2018 (3yrs later) The Neo 2 (Which I own and love), Now only ten months later and after the Garmin Purchase there is a Neo2 T. What happened to the new features we promised with the Neo 2 or the addd ons??? or the development of Pedal stroke analysis, now there is a 2T???
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Good questions for Tacx.
@ajconnol1 4 жыл бұрын
What prevents us from using native thru axle on the regular neo 2? I don’t fully understand why that isn’t possible?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
The diameter of the axle centre. It's built for a QR.
@liviucolceriu 2 жыл бұрын
Hello guys! I just bought 2 neo 2ts, but after first inspection, I have a few questions regarding compatibility with carbon fiber mountain bikes. I saw that, unlike some of the competitors, the endcaps on the neo are fixed in place, they do not rotate freely in the trainer hub. So, given that a mountain bike, even with the fork locked out, has more up and down pivoting, I feel that it could cause the endcaps to eat into the frame, damaging the dropouts... any experience using the neo2t with carbon fiber mountain bikes? Do I worry for nothing? Thank you!
@gplama 2 жыл бұрын
That's a good question. Best send this one over to Tacx/Garmin support for their official reply on this.
@Jan-df7dl 2 ай бұрын
Shane, would you buy a much lower priced NEO 2 or the Neo 2t? By the way: 12 speed didnt fit on the edco hub. First part of the cassette worked, but the rest didnt fit! Replacing the hub for 9-12 combatibel cfreehub isnt possible as far some bikeshops told me. Thanks.
@gplama 2 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t buy anything older than a 2T.
@hrpzwift945 4 жыл бұрын
Hi GPLama, What is the status of the Neo 2T new review ?? I guess it isn't comming afterall Or is it because there has been no updates from Tacx and hence a new test would be of no use ?? - Congrats on the KZfaq award. 100.000 subscribers and counting - well done !!
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
No major changes as yet. There's a beta firmware in testing... Update soon. I hope.
@PedroPrego 4 жыл бұрын
Tacx claims 142mm thru axle compatibility but then is providing a 2.7mm spacer because the rear caliper touches the unit. This effectively turns the trainer into a 144.7mm which is off with most current disc bikes of 142mm which as a consequence creates several problems (misalingned chainline, thru axle that does not attach entirely, tension in the rear trinagle of the bike - especially for those carbon bikes). Any comments on that? Thanks
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching the comments posted everywhere on this in the last few weeks. I don’t have to use the spacers on the TCR. The 144.7mm ‘solution’ doesn’t sound ideal. I’ll leave it to Tacx Support to address this. There’s nothing I can contribute further, it’s their issue to resolve.
@jma3686 4 жыл бұрын
Hello,THX for your vdo. For training in winter time, do you prefer ride your one bike on a tacx neo or the equivalent like Wahoo kickr or ride a trainer bike like wahoo bike or tacx bike(now Garmin) ?
@gmknobl 3 жыл бұрын
I just bought the 2T. Haven't even set it up yet. Looking around on Garmin & Tacx sites I can't find this answer: Any idea if this has Cycling Dynamics enabled yet via firmware?
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
Not that I’m aware of.
@charlespackwood9219 Жыл бұрын
How is the neo 2t now. Is it more accurate
@pavlinux 4 жыл бұрын
SRAM XD Freehub possible?
@dudewhereismyfitness 4 жыл бұрын
I guess that the new magnets are bigger by a few percentage based on the shapes 🤔Also, Neo 2 has discount on it on some other platforms, and based on the pictures in the video, it looks like it doesn't worth to manufacture the two different flywheel with that many differences, so I expect Neo 2 to be discontinued (also, the same pricing suggest that)
@iTzBTriX 3 жыл бұрын
Can a canyon speed max cf SLX 2018 model be compatible with this unit? I heard the frame clearance I. The back is kind of narrow. Thanks for the videos! Cheers
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
One for Canyon and/or Garmin Support.
@satiplayas 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. I have bought a tacx 2t neo and checking everything I see that there is no way to make the "cycling dynamics" work. I have installed the latest firmware but nothing. Do you know anything about it?
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
One for Tacx/Garmin support. I don’t believe this has been implemented in the ANT+ Cycling Dynamics standards kind of way as expected.
@nomatesman 3 жыл бұрын
Thinking about buying one now? Would you recommend or are there still issues with the power readings? Or is there a new model just about to be released?
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
They seem to have their calibration/QA/QC sorted now days. No idea if they have anything new on the cards. (And I don’t leak information if there was any to leak).
@davidkwondesign 4 жыл бұрын
Shane. Thx for the review. A question, how do you address drivetrain power loss? Is it not accurate for Neo to measure slightly less?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
I minimise it by using a clean chain, clean drivetrain, a straight chain-line for the ERG testing, etc. It should never be more than a few watts which is most times within the measurement accuracy range of the power meters/trainers used.
@hrpzwift945 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane, First of: GREAT work. Are you planning a new review, to see of things are looking better ??
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
I'm working through a few things in the Lama Lab with the 2T. I'll publish the results when ready.
@hrpzwift945 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama Not to push, you - good work takes time. For my own purchase planning ;) Could you give a rough estimate on when it will be available ??
@bernardcauwenberghs3559 4 жыл бұрын
Henrik Pedersen A lot of us are waiting an update of Shane Miller power accuracy issue with last firmware ..... Hope this will come very very soon
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
@@bernardcauwenberghs3559 There's a lot of work going on away from the camera/KZfaq... which is an increasing trend these days. I'll publish an update when I have updated (better!) results from the Lama Lab Tests.
@tahntalus 4 жыл бұрын
Would you reccomend getting a spare thru axle for use with the tacx neo?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Not really required.
@hrpzwift945 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane, First things first Enjoying your videos and in depth work 👍. What is the status of the Neo 2T new review ?? Is it too hot down under to be working on it 😉
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
It’s on the cards to loop back too. It’s hot here, so lots of riding outside. I’m giving the 2019 range of trainers time to cool-off :)
@lukaszpl437 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama Ohh but people from Europe don't know if it is worth buying ;) we still have some minus temps here!
@craigpaterson5085 4 жыл бұрын
just wondering if it has been check against the asssioma pedals, could just be the Garmin vector pedal up to their old tricks again !
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. This data is with Tacx. No surprises what the results are.
@craigpaterson5085 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama haha, looks like Tacx need to do their homework again
@davesmith8783 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane, to change between qr and thru axle do you have to remove cassette? This could be a deal breaker as I am sharing trainer with Mrs Smith. I saw on your kickr and climb video the change between the two is much easier. Thanks for the great videos
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
The Neo requires tools to switch from TA to QR. I don't believe the cassette needs to come off for that. The Wahoo Kickrs are likely a much easier solution. Drop into a bike shop that sells them to have a look in person to make sure the process is what you're after (swapping from QR to TA easily, and back)
@davesmith8783 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama Thanks for the swift reply
@robsaunders9681 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama Might be worth noting that Wahoo does not support 10x135 TA at all, and for the 2T you have to purchase an adapter separately; I have a kickr to send back now (doh). This is the axle size on my cross bike (2015 Rose DX).
@tanataff 4 жыл бұрын
Have the issues with lower power readings been addressed yet?
@matt_adelaide 4 жыл бұрын
I’m keen to know also.
@mauriciorealpedelgado6909 4 жыл бұрын
I bought a tacx neo 2t last week, when I do workouts (ERG mode) in Zwift the power fluctuates a lot, for example if it is an interval at 180W the power goes up to 185, 190, 200 ... and more or also drops to 170 , 160, 150 ... For warranty I changed the equipment thinking that I had a problem with the power and they gave me a new one but the same thing happens. What can be? It is normal? previously I had a Wahoo Kickr and after that the power in the workout was more stable.
@mauriciorealpedelgado6909 4 жыл бұрын
when the training finished when entering the companion app you can see the graph of the power that goes up and down too much and is never stable, despite being in Erg mode
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
ERG mode rewards smoothness. ERG within Zwift is also showing 1 second power, not 3 second average (even when configured to do so).
@markmillett9869 4 жыл бұрын
Nice honest reviews again, which software can we see cycling dynamics with,?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Garmin Edge head units is the most common at this point. Software companies should step up and display it too - but..... we're waiting.
@markmillett9869 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama Thanks for prompt response, I have the SRAM force AXS with power meter and I see the cycling dynamics on the edge 820 whilst riding, but its not available on Garmin connect?
@ian3893 4 жыл бұрын
Had my TacxNeoT2 four months before it broke, it was returned to the manufacture via the retail place I bought it from. After two weeks I had an email saying my money had been refunded due to the trainer could not be repaired and no explanation what was wrong. I won’t be buying a replacement TacxNeoT2, my lock down was ruined as there’s no trainers out there to buy yet.
@jackduplechain7592 4 жыл бұрын
are the problems fixed? would you recommend a Neo 2 today?
@matt_adelaide 4 жыл бұрын
jack Duplechain I’m keen to know also.
@dashie4yt 3 жыл бұрын
When you use the trainer without any device or app connected, how the trainer works? What's the name of that mode? How is the resistance, and the speed simulated?
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
Level mode I believe.
@11eagleye 3 жыл бұрын
I have a canyon endurance 8.0 di2. What tools are required for the installation of the bike on the trainer?
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not familiar with that bike. This is one for Garmin/Tacx Support.
@averyhillroad235 4 жыл бұрын
I bought a Neo 2 nearly a year ago on the understanding it would provide L/R balance. I am still waiting for a firmware update for this! The cadence data is very unstable and resembles an ECG graph. The cadence on the Neo 1 was 99% reliable. Will there ever be a firmware update for the Neo 2? Will all that extra EEPROM memory for future updates go unused? Will Tacx provide a firmware update that provides it with the promised improvements of the Neo 2T?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
They did release a firmware the other day for the Neo2 for L/R... but.... I don't think it's quite ready.
@averyhillroad235 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama Thanks. What I don't understand is: If the Tacx is already broadcasting Power/Cadence/Speed data in Open Ant+/BLE standards, I presume it would be simple to re-code to add the L/R balance data under the standard heading?!
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
@@averyhillroad235 Yep, and that's what they've done. The problem is the Neo2/2T doesn't really know true left and right, so the numbers may not represent the real L/R balance.
@jazznroll5 2 жыл бұрын
How does the "side to side" movement compares to the movement of a rigid trainer on a rocker plate ?
@gplama 2 жыл бұрын
It’s better than a rocker, imo. (This will piss a few people off though… but I’m just not a fan of rockers)
@michaelkontos8350 4 жыл бұрын
Hi. I switched out the adapters with the 142x12 and have misplaced the original adapters for ehe ordinary QR. I can’t find a source for these. Any links would be appreciated.
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Ping Tacx (or Garmin) support.
@michaelkontos8350 4 жыл бұрын
Shane Miller - GPLama thanks for that. I’ll ty Garmin again. Trying to get hold of their support is a bit o a chicken and egg. Much obliged for the response.
@vincefava7929 4 жыл бұрын
Great review Shane! Do you think FTMS will be made available as firmware update to the NEO1 and 2?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
I thought the Neo2 had it.... I'm not sure. What software are you using that requires it? Most training software have implemented support for each trainer without FTMS.
@vincefava7929 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama Neo1 does not. I contacted tech support last week asking about it and they said they were 'working on it'. I am using Xert software; it is amazing.
@8rk 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Shane! No more word on inaccuracy issues on 2T from Tacx eh? Did you give up on them or did they give up on the issue? $1300 last year and I’m still power matching from my other power meter it’s kind of sad!
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
See a snapshot of later testing here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mb-ZndWV0aqul58.html
@8rk 3 жыл бұрын
@@gplama Oh interesting! Missed that one since I wasn't paying attention to the UCI WC. Looks like I'll be running another power comparison test with my PM's then. Last time I ran it was 0.0.34 and didn't bother with the latest one since they made no claims of fixing the power issues. However I do realize announcing / claiming fixing a power accuracy issue wouldn't be great marketing on their part ;P
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