TACX NEO 2 Smart Trainer: Details // Unboxing // Initial Ride Review
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5 жыл бұрынThe Tacx NEO 2 Smart Trainer. The next evolution from TACX to their top of the range direct drive indoor cycling trainer. Remember to click SUBSCRIBE to support this KZfaq channel: bit.ly/3aUph9W
Links:
Tacx Neo 2 (Amazon US Search): goo.gl/fTUWhN
Tacx Neo 2 Official: goo.gl/3JqUur
Tacx Neo (Amazon): amzn.to/2n0fOnt
Tacx Neo Smart T2800 User Review - June 2016: goo.gl/2ELReg
TACX Neo Smart Trainer: Basic Maintenance Tips goo.gl/pSTMmV
TACX Neo Smart Trainer - Creaking Problem Solved goo.gl/8F19Zk
TACX NEO Road Feel - The Game Changer! goo.gl/bdJNoE
TACX Neo Smart Trainer: Off The Grid: goo.gl/MVHu1n
TACX Neo: Grinding Noise Problem Solved! goo.gl/dzfqA9
NEO 2 Unit Specifications:
- Direct Drive Interactive Smart Trainer (ERG Mode / SIM Mode)
- Bike compatibility: Standard QR 130/135mm. Adapters for 142x12mm and 148x12mm Thru-Axle support (supplied)
- Shimano/SRAM compatible freehub. (Does not come with a cassette)
- Wireless protocols: ANT+ (FE-C), Bluetooth Smart (FTMS soon)
- Data Transmission: Speed, Cadence, Power, (+ trainer control)
- Power Accuracy Claims +-1%
- Calibration: Not required! Nice!
- Grade simulation: 25%
- Max wattage: 2200W
- Downhill Drive / Road Surface Simulation
- Flywheel size/weight: "Mass inertia" 125kg / 275.6lbs
- Noise level: Really quiet. Really.
- Unit weight: 24.8kgs/54.7lbs
- Works with or without a power supply (no downhill drive w/o)
- Front wheel riser block supplied
- Bonus 1 month Tacx Premium software.
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@dskordo 5 жыл бұрын
After much deliberation, I grabbed a Neo 1 for about 35% off retail - a great deal indeed. Found an online deal which a local shop matched. Thanks Shane this review certainly helped with Neo 1 vs 2 feel and current features. What also helped, was the fact that I purchased 2 newly redesigned 2018 Wahoo Kickrs which both had significant problems. The only reason I mention this, is to illustrate the risk in sometimes buying latest - greatest. I really liked how quiet the new Wahoo was, and the heavier flywheel (vs 2017) had a good feeling. Sadly, they didn't hold up more than 2 weeks before they were returned.
@scenario1236 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr and Mrs. Lama glad to know my Neo 1 still good to keep.
@tomtomuser8364 5 жыл бұрын
Shane Miller - no one reviews like u do - all truths and no BS. Thank-you.
@allanbollins4918 5 жыл бұрын
just picked up my neo 2 today had to watch your vid first lol
@szabiakanich 5 жыл бұрын
Definitely a better upgrade than the P2s ;-) Great review. Awesome to get Von's take on things. That 800+ watt sprint of hers was fantastic. Good stuff.
@BRC76 5 жыл бұрын
Great vid - brilliant explanations of the benefits of the Neo. Whilst balanced your and DCR reviews made me go for the Neo 1 in the UK for £850 on BF. Love it. So much better than the Vortex for feel and in Erg it is simply awesome. Will get the benefits out of my Trainer Road sub so much more now. Thanks and keep up the fantastic vids.
@mattcostall5321 5 жыл бұрын
Great review, given all your reviews on the 1st and 2nd gen i have opted for a Neo 2 over the Wahoo. I have thought against the world of indoor training for four years, but now i realised i can get some more focused training and in a safer environment through the dodgy winter months. I have built my pain cave based on your recommendations in videos so i will let you know how i fair. Looking forward to seeing data on how efficient my pedal stroke is on Q rings and conventional. Keep up the great work!!
@VBL- 4 жыл бұрын
Just bought it for €949, so excited to get going!
@andycorso8498 5 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the short and to the point responses.....
@nathaliec7330 5 жыл бұрын
i think this is what i want thanks for showing
@vedhed21 5 жыл бұрын
Good vid. I like the Vonboxing comment below. Still, I think I'll squeeze another winter out of my Wahoo Kickr before upgrading to one of the quiet units.
@johnpowell2524 5 жыл бұрын
Another great review looks like about +£350 in uk- hard to justify and the original neo looks good value at around £850. I'll stick with my Vortex for now
@teriemer 5 жыл бұрын
I think, this is currently the very best hometrainer out there! I had the Kickr18 - but Neo2 is honestly one level up. Do I miss climb? A little - that is a cool thing from Wahoo. Why is Neo2 better than all the others? 1. the comfort (sideways "rocker-plate" build-in) is really great. 3h+ in the saddle without any issues (try that on a solid turbo). 2. the sound level - it's so quite. 3. Ride-feel smoothnes - it's really really good.
@smhlight 5 жыл бұрын
Good vid well done to you both and good info
@brianlathan2465 5 жыл бұрын
Taco or Wahoo 🤔well done Von she really didn't want to get off that bike Shane , great data and video as always cheers guys
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Always choose the taco over a smart trainer! :)
@Jon-114 5 жыл бұрын
This video helped me settle on a Neo 2 as my new trainer choice. #ZwiftRiders
@alexspencer7170 5 жыл бұрын
Von's got a right sprint on her!
@LeoInterHyenaem 5 жыл бұрын
Ordered Mine two days ago. Can't wait to set it up. Hope, it delivers (touch wood! 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻).
@bertraminc9412 3 жыл бұрын
Did you get it yet? Lol!
@LeoInterHyenaem 3 жыл бұрын
@@bertraminc9412 Did, used once or twice at most. Sold it. Home trainers are just not My cup of tea. I much prefer real rides, especially long bike tours.
@bertraminc9412 3 жыл бұрын
@@LeoInterHyenaem Thanks, was wondering if it was worth the money.
@LeoInterHyenaem 3 жыл бұрын
@@bertraminc9412 If you don't mind doing stationary cycling, have a fan ready to cool you off and to blow off / dry the sweat as you train (as would the air current on outside rides), for whatever reason can't afford to ride outside - it's absolutely worth it. With that said, those who have used roller trainers, say they feel much more natural (i.e., emulate the feel of real ride much better). I have no experience with roller trainers, but would probably prefer a smart roller trainer to a smart stationary one.
@bertraminc9412 3 жыл бұрын
@@LeoInterHyenaem Good point about having a fan. Thanks for the comments.
@Mine96craft 5 жыл бұрын
The only thing I could think of where they could still improve upon is adding a handle because carrying those 24kg isn't so easy the way it is right now
5 жыл бұрын
THX! +1 questions: Compatible with disc brake frame?
@kidsafe 5 жыл бұрын
I certainly hope there’s no capacitor off-gassing “steam” in the Neo during sprints! :o
@fiftyoneindustries2 5 жыл бұрын
There you go, my Neo1 just died. No lights no glory. Time to experience some of Tacx's customer service
@jspaceman71 5 жыл бұрын
Is Tacx discounting the Neo 1? Looking online here in Canada at MEC and elsewhere it doesn't appear so.
@lindsaycripps1597 5 жыл бұрын
Great review Shane👍 After issues with the four KICKR 18 I tried purchased Neo 1 at a discount. Discounts aren't as good in Australia as overseas but a discount is a discount. One thing I didn't want to do is have problems with a new model again so went with a proven model this time. Was tempted though. Really happy with the Neo it's everything I hoped for. I may if further updates introduce some worthwhile features on the Neo 2 update one day but for the time being happy.
@d00mwalker1 5 жыл бұрын
And now, what should i order for my Elite Direto update.... Wahoo Kickr Core with Climb or Neo2? Help! ;)
@Kluso 5 жыл бұрын
Got mine last week but unfortunately has a blinking red light out of box and cadence not working. The cadence might be due to me using a hybrid frame so the new physical sensor not picking up pedals but would be nice if it could revert back to simulated cadence for those who use MTB or hybrid bikes.
@oldsap 5 жыл бұрын
holy crap 800+ watts on Von's sprint!
@hrplbg 5 жыл бұрын
All videos are helpful. I want to know why Trainers don't have a Hardwired connection. Also what manufacturers say about a hardwired connection.
@MrBrownAlliance 5 жыл бұрын
Received my Flux S yesterday. Seemed to be getting Cadence issues, faster I peddled the cadence went down. Unit smells too. If I didn't know better I'd say unit was a return thats been reconditioned.
@gearathon 5 жыл бұрын
Nice review Shane and Von👍! Brilliant to see comparisons with multiple pwr meters . Good to see the Vectors performing on par with the Neo2 , might consider vector s now . I have a subjective impression my neo (1) is a touch more responsive over bluetooth than ANT and so I prefer to use it with bluetooth. Have you perceived something similar too? Cheers!
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Yes on the Bluetooth side of things. I've not added an ANT+/BLE comparison to my Lama Lab Tests yet. I'm hoping Zwift will have direct/native Bluetooth support soon so I can include this without adding a stack more time to the tests.
@simongarland5678 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane, I am a light rider and descents on simulators are unrealistic. -4% and still having to put in decent wattage to go 22mph!! does the Neo downhill drive make downhill speeds more realistic or just stop the flywheel from slowing down? Not sure whether to get a Neo 2 or Wahoo Kickr
@PedroPrego 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing how I came here wondering: Did Lama posted a video of the neo 2?? Apparently he did, 4h ago :)
@chrisb_rc 5 жыл бұрын
It's another Vonboxing 👌
@gl3906 4 жыл бұрын
perfect review! very informative, and great presentation (maybe a little fast, but still possible to follow for someone like me - whose mother tongue isn't English) thank you! liked and subscribed :-)
@Robert-mn8gc Жыл бұрын
Question 4U Lama Lab . Tacx Neo 2 or the Top of the Range Elite Indoor Trainer . Which one would U go4 Pls
@barrystewart3528 Жыл бұрын
Hi Shane. Have the power-concerns been ironed out since? I've been offered a £xxx cost to swap my superb, but slightly creaking (case splits) Neo 1 for a refurbished Neo2t. Can see some benefits but also wary if there is reality of the 2t power low-balling my power compared to the super Neo1-Assioma Duo power tests I've done to date! Thanks.
@Damijan69 4 жыл бұрын
HI,I have big question about smart trainers. Which one do you prefer because I do not want to have problems /mechanical damage /. Money is not big problem, so I think that is better buy the best one . Please be so kind and give me some help. I am looking elite drive 2 or Tacks neo 2 or do you have some other idea. Many thanks.
@chavodelocho4561 8 ай бұрын
Im new at Smart Trainers..and also cycling.... i just got one new Neo2t but it feels hard to ride on flat roads, is it normal?
@bobwatkins1271 5 жыл бұрын
I'd buy one today if only it were compatible with the KICKR Climb.
@shaychavez5113 3 жыл бұрын
My bike does not move smoothly on the trainer it’s actually quite difficult to peddle?
@stevem4450 5 жыл бұрын
I've had my Neo 1 for almost 2 years now and have never had virtual tyre slip. My pc is hard wired to the Internet.......wondering if that makes a difference..
@chrisogrady28 4 жыл бұрын
Do you ever do 60-70rpm at over 800w? I'm interested if that's enough to cause the issue
@SlowtwitchDe 5 жыл бұрын
„I‘m looking forward looking at you data“ That’s just what my wife also loves to hear from her husband :)
@JasperAnderswelt 5 жыл бұрын
my neo is providing the elctricity for the whole building
@LanceMcGrew 5 жыл бұрын
Having a carbon frame mounted on my built-like-a-tank Computrainer concerns me. I am thinking the flex in this Tacx would lower the carbon frame stress?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Unknown. There's a lot of misinformation out there about carbon bikes on indoor trainers.
@manuelgaertner2258 5 жыл бұрын
Throw Bananas at your Opponent - Sounds like super mario Race Game
@01banksjon 5 жыл бұрын
I have always wondered why do they not have an option to wire the unit in, I see your doing the same as me with the ANT+ antenna leaving it right next to the unit, if you run a USB cable that close to the unit why not just plug in and avoid the ANT drop outs?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
These units are still focusing on the single home user who doesn't have any ANT+ / Bluetooth / wifi signal issues. They went wireless because it's so much neater.. and there's no physical interface to break. It'd be like Apple putting a phone jack into their phones... I really don't see it happening except for edge cases (commercial environments/spin studios). I understand why people are asking, wireless dropouts are a pain. I just don't see any of the big trainer companies taking what would be seen as a backwards step with connectivity.
@01banksjon 5 жыл бұрын
@@gplama thanks for the reply, interesting comparison with Apple and headphone jacks, I see your point but with only one device in my place the frequency I get dropouts makes me frequently want to just plug the dam thing in. But I have the same problem with phone company's removing jacks, what happens when your Bluetooth headphones run out of juice... Maybe this is me just getting old not liking the looks of the future! Thanks for the videos, great content, makes me want to get out and ride!
@williamwheelie4430 5 жыл бұрын
Ok, Christmas for me sorted...
@cyclejockey4397 5 жыл бұрын
Looks like a good trainer, but I'll stick with my E-Motion rollers from InsideRide !
@jamesvaughan7274 5 жыл бұрын
Shane, having just returned by Kickr2018 (belt tension/pulley wear under warranty) and reverted to my Neo1 I was wondering if you're aware of a reason for Tacx using a chock under the front wheel. The design would seem to easily allow for a lower overall profile and no chock; which would seem to be a cheaper and easier to setup design.
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
No insights into the design decisions. Maybe they needed the extra height for clearance for long cage rear mech and keeping the unit wide enough to be stable.
@Clemy01 5 жыл бұрын
Hi shane. Thanks a lot for yours videos! I dont speak english very well so I don't ear if you talked about noise compared to the V1. Is there a "big" difference between V1 and V2? Thanks a lot!
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Zero noise difference from what I can tell. The Neo 1 was pretty damn quiet as it is.
@Dmlsej 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane, I have a question for you (and anyone else, who would like to chime in): are direct drive trainers susceptible to temperature drift? I know a lot of the drift in wheel on trainers, is most likely due to the change in tire pressure, when it gets warmed up, but are there other things in play? I train in a cold shed and noticed that my Tacx Vortex had severe temperature drift, like you also mentioned in your review of it. Mine was much worse though, probably due to the cold starting temperature. I had an ftp test give me a result of 316 when other rides indicated it was actually around 250!
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Not in my experience. (Which is usually performing a spin-down/calibration when they're up to operating temp)
@mattsippert5798 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Shane! I picked one of these up and it looks like it's missing one of the four covers that covers the leg locking mechanism. On the front non-driveside lock mechanism, the plastic seems to not extend over it (with the nice little hole to see the color) like the other three and instead the whole red and blue mechanism is exposed. Any idea if that is normal? Doesn't look like it broke off or anything
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Take a few photos and send them over to Tacx Support.
@dlmorrison 5 жыл бұрын
I was hoping for some brief comments about the new(?) downhill simulation effect. This is actually one thing that takes me out of the moment in Zwift. I guess it just works as you'd expect? Thanks!
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Downhill sim is the same as the Neo 1. It doesn’t make you faster. In fact it’ll reduce your ability to produce power in-game on Zwift and slow you down, in theory.
@dlmorrison 5 жыл бұрын
@@gplama, thanks! I was a bit confused and thought it was new on this model.
@johnhoneyball2338 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Shane, hope your keeping safe and well. I currently have Elite Drivo 1 that is maxing about 650w when in a sprint at the end of a race. Apparently this is a common fault when paired to Bluetooth so I’m considering a new one. I was wondering if you had your choice of trainers after all your years of experience what would be your go to trainer. Cost no object and I’m not bothered about the climb ad on of the Kickr. Just trainers no full bike trainers. Your general opinion would be greatly appreciated.
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
Something's up with that if it's topping out at 650. For the hypothetical cost-is-no-object scenario: Anything at the top of the line will work well. Kickr2020, CORE, NEO2T, DiretoXR, H3. There really isn't much between them all these days when it comes to pushing down on the pedals.
@andymonks7126 5 жыл бұрын
Does this have a pivoting axle? Thus maybe in the future making it compatible with the Kickr Climb, should Wahoo/Tacx allow it?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
No.
@BjarnedeBont 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your thorough comparison. Just bought a (new) Neo 1 a couple of weeks ago with a discount of 350€. Some shops are still discounting at that price. According to this video, I don’t think the Neo 2 is worth the extra 350€. I think a good advise is to buy a Neo 1 for that price?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
That sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
@Fluterra 5 жыл бұрын
In the US/Canada, the price of the Neo 1 is only $120 less... not worth not buying the 2 at that difference. The main differences will be apparent in the future, when new updates are released that take advantage of the Neo 2’s increased processing power, memory, and better components (as claimed by Tacx).
@BjarnedeBont 5 жыл бұрын
Fluterra I think you’re right, bit for now I don’t think in my case it is worth the extra money. When those extra’s become available, I van always decide to upgrade (in a couple of years). For now the Neo 1 suits and a Zwift PC which can handle a screenrate of +20fps in bunchrides is more of a concern for me.
@hotdog9025 5 жыл бұрын
Quiet too. Fishy = brake pads? Any parts that will need replacing after a year? Are they cheap and easy to replace?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
There's no braking part/pad on this unit. It's all magical magnets. Possible bearing replacement required after 50,000-60,000km not something any normal human will need to do.
@danielt3214 5 жыл бұрын
I know this goes for the Neo2, but since the numbers of your test look pretty consistent... Finally happy days with the vectors? Any add. calibration before the test run?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the new set of Vector 3 are holding up, which I'm happy with. Just the standard zero-offset at 10mins iirc for this one.
@dskordo 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Lama, thanks for posting your thoughts. A couple of Q's if you please: 1. Did you detect any "sawbone" noise? 2. With respect to the left-right wiggle/flex, does the new unit also flex more to the right than the left? (Like the Neo 1)
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
1. Nope. 2. Nothing detectable. I just sat on and wiggled it. Nope. Seems to be same each side. Maybe they've reinforced the right side from the Neo 1? Not sure.
@dskordo 5 жыл бұрын
@@gplama thanks Shane.
@stephentait8734 5 жыл бұрын
i just bought this, but my disc brake caliper is very close to the the trainer, and i am already using the 5 mm spacer, :-(
@8rk 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Shane! My living situation requires me to setup a trainer in my living room every time I ride (i.e every day) so my next trainer will be moved in and out of my balcony every day. Also on odd days carried across the street to our gym (cause neighbors downstairs) My Kickr slips out of calibration all the time. I’m tired of doing 10 minute, then spindown everytime so I gave up and use my left only 4iiii for power and cadence. On Tacx Neo does “no calibration required” mean even if you carry it around, ride in different environments etc? Cause if so, I’m definitely getting one next. Thanks in advance! Oh and HAPPY NEW YEAR! 😊
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Correct, the Neo 1/2/2T/BIKE all have no calibration required at all.
@8rk 4 жыл бұрын
Shane Miller - GPLama Excellent! Gonna be a nice late self Christmas gift. Thanks again!
@richardmathers7238 5 жыл бұрын
Can you only get pedal stroke analysis on tacx app ? Also does it give you data like % on each pedal stroke ( left /right)
@danielcrabbe 5 жыл бұрын
Only on windows and its very basic. Very disappointed with this for the extra cost!
@zoopladough 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane, can the Element bolt control th Tacx Neo 2 similar to the way the Bolt can control the Kickr specifically the re-riding a route feature.
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Yes. It should work as expected.
@sima1997able 5 жыл бұрын
Hello Shane, The tacx neo 2 is still not compatible with the kickr climb, is it? Best wishes Simon
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
No
@P4P5 5 жыл бұрын
I would really like a trainer. Tried Vortex and was bummed when i heard how loud it is. Not really for apartments. All the "silent" ones like Neo are out of my budget... so yea... Sad.
@bruceduncan9445 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Shane - love your reviews! I've got an Olmo road bike sporting Campy Athena 11 components - can you tell me my options for a mid to high level smart trainer please? Thanks so much. Bruce
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Most trainers have an optional add on for Campy compatibility. Best drop into a local bike shop and have a chat about what you’re after and what they can supply (and service)
@tahntalus 4 жыл бұрын
Ok first thanks for making this video, installing the cassette was a snap. After I got the cassette on and installed the stand quick release skewer into my tacx trainer, I noticed it was hard to pedal, really hard. What did I do wrong? Bike I'm using is 2015 cannondale ultegra synapse with a 11-32 shimano cassette...
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
That's impossible to tell what the issue is from here. Maybe one for Tacx Support or your local bike shop to have a look at.
@tahntalus 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama I had a few issues going on with my setup. 1) I needed to index my gears once I did this it made the shifting so much smoother 2) difficulty i had with cranking the pedals was resolved by resetting to factory defaults and then upgrading my tacx firmware 3.) Last my bike wasnt firm in the dropouts and i tightened my quick release a bit too tight. Last problem I had that I didnt mention was that I couldnt get zwift(via ipad) to recognize my trainer. It seems that I had too many connections open. You talked about this in one of your other posta and I forgot. Thanks again for all you do!
@adrianjenkins5613 5 жыл бұрын
Shane , just changed from a Kickr18 to a Neo2 due to 6 replacement Kickr18's being faulty and the Neo2 is a amazing bit of kit but I'm finding it far harder to turn the pedals over at the same Watts compared to the Kickr , have you experienced this at all
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Make sure your weight/height is entered into whatever program you're using (this has an impact on the ride feel of the Neo). There's also a difference with the Neo vs Kickr in terms of the flywheel speed/inertia/momentum. People who have tried both will typically report the Neo being harder at FTP or above to hold watts. I put this down to the unit design / function. The Neo is super responsive without much physical weight in the flywheel... where as the Kickr has that 14/16lbs flywheel behind it always kicking over. This is a whole topic in itself....
@adrianjenkins5613 5 жыл бұрын
Shane Miller - GPLama cheers Shane, will check my settings , totally understand the difference between Kickr flywheel and Neo, suddenly gone from hero to zero in the power states 😂😂 Thanks for the reply and keep the outstanding work up , you are my go to for any hint and tips 👍
@mauricesmith3225 4 жыл бұрын
Shane, which direct drive trainer would you suggest for a heavy rider, who weighs 280 pounds?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Check the tech specs of the high end trainers such as the Kickr18, Saris H3, Tacx NEO2T for their rider limit details.
@pazsegov 5 жыл бұрын
Hello; Your videos are very interesting and professional. I'm about to buy a simulator I'm between tacx neo 2 and elite drivo2. From the revised: Elite Drivo 2 is more reliable in terms of power, lower price, own software. Tacx Neo 2 is less noisy. Do I need one that allows me to do power test and pedaling analysis which would be the most recomendable?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Both the Drivo II and Neo 2 have the ability to provide all those features with a range of software out there from Zwift, TrainerRoad, Sufferfest, Rouvy, Kinomap, etc.
@SamFromVACE 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, anyone riding their Giant Defy adv frame (2015) on the Neo 2?
@trident1314 5 жыл бұрын
As a heavier rider I'd be slightly concerned with the amount of movement of the trainer under load I get the flex thing but von had the thing off the ground there just about... I don't think my neighbours would thank me😂
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
She was sprinting way too far forward. That was a technique thing. (now I'll get in trouble!) ;)
@middleagedmillennial5719 5 жыл бұрын
Any word if the derailleur cage fit meant issue? I run a medium cage (11-32) and I’ve read that the neo 1 would not fit it.
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
One for Tacx Support. I only have short cage bikes here to test in person.
@xiaoliuwu9506 5 жыл бұрын
Roy Cherry I emailed Tacx a couple days to see if the Neo 2 support the long cage derailleur and they told me that it does.
@middleagedmillennial5719 5 жыл бұрын
Xiaoliu Wu thank you
@peteracain 5 жыл бұрын
I have exactly that setup on the Neo first gen and it fits just fine
@mikelong9048 4 жыл бұрын
REI just put Neo 2 on clearance at $999. I was just about to buy Wahoo Kickr 2019 & Climb and always ignored Neo b/c of price. Now that it is at $999 what are your thoughts? Which is a better trainer now with the lower Neo 2 price?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
The Neo 1/2 flaws are easy to spot when you look at what they fixed with the 2T - Native thru-axle support (no adapter required) and a more powerful resistance unit to stop that virtual tyre slip issue. Entirely your call what to go with.
@josemariacastanonordonez3088 4 жыл бұрын
Nice and illustrative video, a question, you can provide me the reference of the thule table that appears in this video, thanks.
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
www.thekeyboardshop.com.au/store/Music+Stands/On+Stage+SM7211+Conductor+Stand
@sumitkaria4666 5 жыл бұрын
Got a problem with cadence when using bluetooth to apple TV or iPad. Its all over the place from 0-160 rpm. Trainer software is upto date and the cadence on the tacx app works fine.
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
One for Zwift to sort out.
@Damijan69 4 жыл бұрын
hi, quastion about neo 2 . after 200 km on trainer i got sound/cracking / when i have forward on small and back on 1, 2,3 bigger rings. I also can not put on smaller ring at back when i have on big at front. I put normal wheel on bike and work everythink ok. I have bike madone sl/Shimano Ultegra, 11-28, 11 speed. Maybe I am to heavy 94kg for trainer??? Nice day
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Grab a quick movie clip of this happening and send it over to Tacx Support. The team there know every sound a Neo will ever make and should be able to assist quickly.
10 ай бұрын
Have a nice day! I would like to ask for help. My Tacx Neo2 trainer loses resistance after 5 minutes of use. Unplugging it and plugging it back in again immediately gives resistance again for a few minutes and then it comes back on again. Please help me what is causing this and what can be done to make the roller usable again. Thank you for your time, best regards
@gplama 10 ай бұрын
Likely failed fans and overheating. You’ll need to contact Garmin support.
10 ай бұрын
@@gplama thank you for your quick reply. This is frustrating, I have no idea where to turn in Hungary.
@matthewcooke8409 5 жыл бұрын
How does the Neo 2 calculate L/R power balance?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
It knows LR and power, so it does the magic from those two values
@nekovolta2 4 жыл бұрын
What do you think of the NEO 2T? Do you think it deserves to pay more for the 2T or the NEO 2 is more than enough? I am a little bit concern about the slipping phenomena of the previous models, but I have never tried, and maybe it is not a nuisance for me
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve covered the 2T here on KZfaq.
@nekovolta2 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama Thank you, I didn't find it
@chrisogrady28 4 жыл бұрын
I want a new but the wheel spinning situation concerns me a bit. I want to be able to train with 60-70rpm heavy standing climbs around 1000w. Is that just too much torque? Or does shifting the bike into a ‘harder’ gear help? As it effectively reduces torque at the cassette at any given pedal torque.
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
Look at the NEO2T that addresses this issue.
@chrisogrady28 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama yeah, but it's still super expensive :( In your experience have you found which trainers are good for high torqie efforts? Drivo? Kickr? I appreciate your experience!
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
@@chrisogrady28 All of the above, yep. None of the weighted flywheel trainers suffer from this previous generation Neo slippage.
@lagerlad9019 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane, Just bought a Tacx Neo 1 second hand. The unit is 18 months old, and has not been used by the previous owner for 12 months.There's some rust on the disk. Has this happen to your unit, and what do you recommend I do? I've tried contacting Tacx, but the response left none the wiser. Cheers
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Rust on the outside.... that's only cosmetic, tidy it up, ride on. If it's on the inner of the disc (or you want to check), you'll need the disk extraction tool to check it / clean it.
@lagerlad9019 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers. @@gplama
@blazacrew 5 жыл бұрын
NEO 1 " smell " its probably coming of from plastic when the flywheel gets hot inside. I cant hold 1000 W so its not an issue lol
@damFr 4 жыл бұрын
Hello GP Lama, thx 🙏 for you video. Any update about this test? Did you make a full review? Friends are having problems in Zwift and lost power with this trainer. I wanted to upgrade but it seems there are lots of issue with Tacx.
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
No update specifically on the Tacx Neo 2. It didn't replace my Neo 1 for the Lama Lab Testing. The 2T is still not matching my Neo 1 either.... That's not to say they haven't resolved it.... I'm just yet to see it with my own testing.
@damFr 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama hm... since Garmin bought Tacx, Software quality droped down? ;)
@anvilhead59 5 жыл бұрын
Virtual bananas in a group ride, like MarioKart. LOL
@Chitown388 4 жыл бұрын
The Tacx Neo2 is really quiet and feels high quality. However, I do miss my Tacx Vortex and its ability to transfer almost all of my pedaling power to the wheel. I can really put down some serious wattage and fly on Zwift. The Neo 2, on the other hand, has the "tilt" capability that tilts the bike left and right while pedaling. Every "tilt" robs some of my pedaling power. My average wattage per ride is reduced by about 20% with the Neo 2. Even though the "tilt" capability simulates the real-world riding better, I wish there is a way to disable it.
@0kojack0 4 жыл бұрын
Nhat Tran 20%!!????
@jnchacon 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane, I'm learning a lot of smart trainers watching your reviews. I have a concern. Can I damage my Carbon bike will using it in a Direct Drive Smart Trainer, say during sprints or pedaling out of the saddle? (I have nightmares about that :S) I really like to swing my bike will riding, and I also want the most realistic experience I could get, what smart trainer will you recommend me?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
There is no problem using carbon bikes on indoor trainers. If there was, we'd be seeing broken bikes posted to Facebook, Instagram, etc. This isn't happening.
@jnchacon 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama , thanks for your answer. About the more realistic Rider feeling, what is your recommended smart trainer?
@jnchacon 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama, when i wrote the coment, I also send the question to Canyon, the brand of my future bike, and they answer the following: "Do not stand up or get out of the saddle while on the roller! The bike could get out of the roller due to weight changes. In addition, the frame is not designed to withstand the forces that occur when standing up while being anchored to the roller." 😱
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
@@jnchacon Then bypass Canyon as an option. If they're not confident enough to support you riding their bikes indoors, why would they support it outdoors? Their sponsored riders use them all the time indoors in their advertisements.
@jnchacon 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama , Just saw your new video (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y654o6tll97YlIE.html)... That is so great!
@smalerider1727 5 жыл бұрын
long-cage derailleurs still have issues?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
I'm all short cage here - One for Tacx Support.
@jq7247 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone experience slight fluctuations in ERG mode when trying to keep to certain watt? Eg doing 180w for 2 minutes in ERG, the watts tend to go up and down 5 to 10watts despite a steady cadence.
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
+-5/10W in ERG is typical. Humans are never smooth. If you're coming from a trainer that had power smoothing in ERG then and are now using something like a NEO over Bluetooth which will update the watts on screen in Zwift around 4 times a second, the jumps look like a problem. As long as you're not getting an on/off up/down feeling through the pedal stroke like on some trainers, it's normal. (Note: Zwift 3s power smoothing isn't enabled in ERG mode)
@derrickknight4985 4 жыл бұрын
Has there been any new updates regarding Tacx and Wahoo working together on compatibility between this Neo and the Kickr climb?
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
No. Which is disappointing.
@derrickknight4985 4 жыл бұрын
Shane Miller - GPLama It is disappointing. Been a while since I read about it. Just have to wait I guess. Keep up the great work Shane. Loving the video’s . Cheers Derrick.
@scotthorvath6779 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane, do you have any plans on trying out the Technogym 'skillbike'?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Nope. I’m off their Christmas card list after a less than favourable review of their “smart” trainer.
@scotthorvath6779 5 жыл бұрын
@@gplama that's a shame. Thanks for the reply and videos!
@nathaliec7330 5 жыл бұрын
Just got mine today. Now I need to know what earth mode?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Software you use will control all modes.
@Lan_gtg 5 жыл бұрын
4:19 am I the only one that didn’t know this trick?
@danielcrabbe 5 жыл бұрын
If you're expecting pedal analysis forget it! Isn't compatible with any devices and can only be seen in a very basic form on the Windows desktop App. If you have ANT+ sensors (ie HRM) you can't connect them to the trainer and then the trainer to other devices via bluetooth. ie bridging the connection. You can do this with Watt bikes 5 years old+. Just hope things improve as really don't want to buy £800 vector 3 pedals which apparently aren't waterproof ;-/
@bradkinsey3284 5 жыл бұрын
So I'm not sure if you are able to assist me with this one Shane... Do these smart trainers truly get tested when it comes to their max wattage output? I've had the Neo 1 for about six months now and enjoy my sprinting on Zwift, but the Neo 1 seems to slip at wattage's over 1300w. I have been in contact with Tacx and they have tried to assist me over a period of a few months with various potential solutions. They even sent me a brand new trainer just for the exact same problem to occur. Every time I go into a proper sprint, the trainer slips, regardless if the trainer is connected to the Tacx software or with Zwift. I have also tried sprinting with both a mountain bike and a road bike, which obviously have different gear ratios, just to have the same problem. Tacx requested a video of me sprinting and they have confirmed that there is clearly an issue and have also said it is not due to limited torque. I was concerned that it might be my bike or my sprinting style so I tried sprinting on a Watt bike as well as on the Wahoo Kickr (with both a mountain bike and road bike). I peaked at 1800 watts on both with no slippage at all. I enjoy the Tacx Neo but am obviously frustrated with this issue. Tacx have now informed me that they are looking for a solution to this problem, I am still waiting. So...a suggestion for a possible product test video...get some heavies and do some max wattage testing on these smart trainers that claim these massive wattage outputs?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
I suspect they test max wattages with a dyno and a slow ramp up to max wattages. Adding max sprint tests would mean I'd have to get someone in... I'm no max wattage monster. I'd say that 1200W+ indoors is an edge case. One that the trainers should hold up to, sure. Testing this with real humans will cost me time and money, and broken trainers. I'll start requesting the companies who make these products be more transparent with how they test their units at these maximums.
@smartbig1 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Brad I found the same problem with wattages above 1000 watts. Whenever I applied power past this wattage it would constantly slip. I went through the same process as you and unfortunatley there is no solution. I usually peak at 1600 watts but it is obvious that this machine cannot handle anything above 1000 watts let alone the advertised 2000 watts . I eventually sent the the unit back and exchanged it for a Kickr.
@bradkinsey3284 5 жыл бұрын
@@gplama Thanks Shane, much appreciated! Let's see what happens with time to come.
@bradkinsey3284 5 жыл бұрын
@@smartbig1 Thanks Frank, I'm glad to see I'm not alone in this battle! It's a nice trainer except that flaw! Are you happy with your Kicker compared to the Neo? I've thought of doing the same thing but have heard the Kickr is not very accurate with it's wattage measurements...
@smartbig1 5 жыл бұрын
@@bradkinsey3284 I have found the Kickr better to ride when it comes to accelerated efforts. For me this is very important but for most users it is not and that is why the Neo is an excellent machine. As far as accuracy goes I cannot really comment but Shane has done videos on this and in my experience it seems accurate enough. I am not worried about the 1 percent accuracy between the two. However, if you are experiencing tyre slip then how accurate is the Neo really when accelerating past 1000 watts.
@nathaliec7330 5 жыл бұрын
can zwift pick up the power from your pedal on this test ? or it only record the trainer power?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Either. You get to choose the power source in the setup.
@nathaliec7330 5 жыл бұрын
thank you so much@@gplama
@Life_Is_Gotong 5 жыл бұрын
How much noise and vibration has decreased compared to Tacx Neo 1? How is it different from Wahoo Kickr 2018 regarding noise and vibration?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
Noise and vibration - Same, yet never an issue with the Neo 1 imo. See: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fLiBeKhj1KfPnKs.html
@Life_Is_Gotong 5 жыл бұрын
Shane Miller - GPLama THX. Then what is improved from Neo 1?
@gplama 5 жыл бұрын
0:32 into this video covers it.
@davepratt9909 5 жыл бұрын
Just like you, she didn’t use the manual.
@vaux_manvv7520 4 жыл бұрын
Is that the xtools lock ring tool. I have the same one and it's awesome
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure... but I love the all-in-one handle ones too, they're great.
@vaux_manvv7520 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama less things to carry/worry about.
@jsprhrmsn 4 жыл бұрын
What brand/model are those round fans on the floor? Thanks!
@gplama 4 жыл бұрын
SunAir Turbo Velocity 40cm. Look for ‘turbo’ or similar at a local hardware/home store.
@jsprhrmsn 4 жыл бұрын
@@gplama thanks a lot!! I will look for these as they look pretty cool
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