Great video! I'm glad you're calling these fakes out! They are poisoning my art and making it look terrible... He wouldn't stand a chance with me, im someone who is an actual expertise at Tai Chi and has battle tested the art! 🤗

That random guy waited his whole life for this very moment.

As an aging fighter (43 y/o) who's cross trained a lot, some tai chi principles are really helpful in a fight (relaxation amidst intensity, distributing weight down to make me harder to throw, etc...), and tai chi has remained an awesome exercise for join strength and micro-muscles that don't get hit in weight training. As with most of your vids, pressure testing is key, and if you're just using one system to fight, you're gonna have a hard time.

Obviously the audience member had his right toe up, and his tongue on the roof of his pallette. Everyone knows that defeats chi power, esp the no touch dim mak.

Alan Watts said it best when he said if anyone presents a discipline that's really rigid and weird then people will be like ah now this is it, this is the real thing

The gentleman who challenged the Tai Chi Master had a strong root and the Master could not find it.

I believe most times students of taiqi masters just feel intimidated or respectful of their masters and just follow the flow of his master. A non student will not do likewise and in this video it just showed that a non student cannot be easily shoved off. There may be many genuine masters but equally there are many fake so-called masters.

Master Chen zhonghua is good at push hands and likes to demystify Taichi by explaining using physics.

One thing that's missing with many Tai Chi practitioners is MARTIAL LOGIC. When people start understanding the value of thinking and strategy in their Tai Chi, these stylists will have to evolve or be called frauds. Great video. Sending love.

There are videos of taiji players beating greco-roman national team athletes in sparring. Here in Thailand, taiji guys have done well in muay thai competition, because of the clinch takedown/dumping aspect. Any traditional art will have its share of fake teachers ,but the art is real. Don't forget that jiu jitsu was once dominated by fake teachers after the samurai period and before the judo period. It is a socio economic phenomena.

If you are interested in seeing how a tai chi practitioner actually pushes or sends someone flying back in an un-rehearsed or non-compliant setting -> kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j5ifZMqayMzKlY0.html the tai chi guy in black shirt does this a few times within the 1st minute of the video. It's not going to look as clean or as impressive as demos though. Anyway, I think the MMA guy in the video is probably a relatively unskilled beginner so I'm not posting the link as a style vs style thing.

It must have been the air in the room that threw him off. He wasn't in his natural habitat.

Take a seat old Taichi SkyWalker. You may be on this council but you are not a master.

I don't know who this Master or this is or if the challenger is actually "random", but he probably is an experienced martial artist. Please pause/freeze at 1:53 and notice that as the narrator gets excited about the push, the Taiji guy has regained a solid stance while the challenger is flying backwards. Just sayin'.

Taichi is a great art...when you get it right

Science and actual data over what happened in real life, over faith/theories of what's supposed to happen. You're doing the good work man.

This is not hilarious at all because the master did ok. The challenger clearly flew back when he finally committed to a move at 1:53

Push hands and sticky hands are some of my favorite 2 man excersises but it can also be lethal.

He wouldn't stand a chance... Challenge me 🤗🤗🤗

It's quite obvious that the "random stranger" has good taiji skills, which Sun Jian Guo respectfully recognized.

If we didn't have video these Days these Fake Masters would be Legends in your neighborhood lol

Fun fact: according to a doctoral dissertation presented at the Lougborough University by this gentleman called "Gehao Zhang" (pages 63 and 64, but the whole thing is really interesting), it was this Wu family who supposedly found the first main text that reffers to this Martial Art as "Taijiquan", a probably partially faked manuscript now known as "The Salt Shop Manuscript". So, yeah, the lineage from which this guy comes basically came up with the name of the Martial Art: this man is genealogically almost as legit as it comes, but he still has no clue about fighting.

Yeah figured him out & made him sit down 😳. How embarrassing for this Master. I wonder what his explanation and excuse was 🤔.

Tai chi letting me down again. Lie chi.

it's one thing to debunk a master in MMA, with thousands of new variables, but to debunk them within their own claimed sphere of expertise is even more effective

I mean it's damn sad when you've got a tai chi master who can't even legitimately deal with a push hands challenge... Take it easy Jerry, enjoy the smoothie time while you're waiting for your face to feel better

Man the NFL needs to sign up this master he knock offensive linemen on their butts!

Tai Chi master sitting down thinking: there ends this livelihood

You've tightened your braces? Loosen them Jerry, they're interfering with the Tai Chi master's chi. Only explanation for what I just saw.

Yes it's true. A person that gets thrown back by the push hands techniques relies on the volunteer cooperating and allowing himself to get pushed back. If the person resists and gets out of the line of pushing force, it's not going to work.

That's not some random guy, but a skilled practitioner. Seems to that berating a guy for loosing runs counter to the principle of testing oneself.

The audience member was not a believer so he was able to nullify it. :)

You're doing the real martial artists and the world a favor with these videos. Thank you

It's the old story, the more these "master's" play with their compliant students, the more their real combat skills are blunted ...

That "really big Tai Chi master" in the momentary part of the clip, is Lee Scheele, a two time heavyweight push hands champion. I've touched hands with him at his Meetup practice. He's 75 now, and still very good at what he does. But no, push hands is not fighting, but I believe it can be a good skill to add into other training. I hope I can find the full clip of Lee vs the wrestler.

That taichi master should take a seat in the audience and that guy from the audience should be seating at his place on the stage

I like to see situations of that kind. In practically all martial arts exhibitions it is a given that the "lesser" partner is a willing and compliant partner. Usually there is no quick fix for non compliance or active resistance. To be clear about this, for a clean and clear exhibition, some compliance is helpful. But a master ought to be able to overcome none compliance or resistance. If not capable of overcoming, do not ever do exhibitions of techniques. It makes the so-called Master look supremely silly.

Gee I wonder what's going to happen to the tai chi master 🤔😄? Thank you for sharing ☺️.

The challenger used the gum on sneakers technique to defeat the master, how clever.

Lovin the clean shave Jerry! Hope your weight gain project is going good - adjusting to eating w braces is tough. Great content as always. Excited to see more challenges!

After all, the demostration consisted in showing individual, agreed techniques. So, for example, if you push me, I will answer in this way. And then a person from the audience comes out who wants to try the same thing, but does not do it, but introduces an element of free sparring. This is my understanding of what happened. If a man in the audience wants to make unassumed techniques then he should say "hey let's do push hands" and then we would have a completely different picture, I presume.

The reason students always go flying in these kind of demonstrations is that they’re cooperating with the teacher by not adjusting their stance to regain their balance like a normal person would if they felt off-balance. Which means once they do lose their footing they have to make these big backward leaps to regain their balance. If you leaned back further and further and waited for the last possible moment to correct your posture to avoid falling the same thing would happen to you.

Push Hands is just an exercise. If you break the rules of the exercise (like grab the clothes) is become something else.

Aikido (marginally useful MA) sandan here. I decided to implement my "internal power" with Tai Chi. While pushing hands, the deputy instructor pissed me off and I kicked his butt real hard. So he went crying to the chief instructor who challenged me. As the top dog had biceps the size of my thighs ... I decided to bow out. 🤣🤯

That non-complying guy was sent by Xu Xiaodong.. He's a graduate of The Fraudulent Masters Exposure Academy. 😆

At 1:54 he actually gets him. If you are expecting tai ji magic, it is pretty easy to nullify - like this man and others have proven. If you had some tai ji techniques mixed with some direct strikes - it can catch you off guard and be quite useful. But the internal aspect of martial arts takes a long time to develop and today’s masters might not even have them at combat level proficiency. The internal kung fu does lend itself to health, especially for those that have lost some of their vigor.

I love the sheer surprise of that master when his magic doesn’t seem to work on this peasant. I mean - ‘what kind of sorcery is this !’

This just shows that some of these people are actual lifelong martial artists and not pretenders, they don't intend to scam their students, they actually believe they are fighters or that they have developed a skill applicable to fighting through the years of training.

Had a similar situation with my Wing Chun teacher. First he was a good martial artist but had holes in his game. So Sifu tried to lock up in a wrestling clinch with me(I wrestled in HS). He told me to resist and not let him throw me. This was in front of a crowd and I meekly protested. However he insisted we locked up. So we locked up and I resisted. Sifu tried over and over. Eventually he gave up and waved me away. Oh well.🥋🥋🥋🥋🥋🥋🥋🥋🥋🥋🥋🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

From a 72 year old practitioner (since 1964) of Tai Chi Praying Mantis : what a fake master who doesn't even understand the purpose of Push Hands technique. So many impostors and impersonators nowadays !

Great clip! Keep fighting the good fight, Jerry.

this is good to show the difference between a student and an opponent, the problem is precisely that, applying only in the air without an evident reaction.

That one was strong in the force.

To be frank tho, the challenger was holding on to dear life. Wasn't really doing the training exercise

Thanks for this great channel, I wish I could understand chinese so your translations are appreciated. I will probably just be a troll in defense of fake martial arts but it's still a great channel.

Funny in every video where a tai chi guy gets punched in the face all “training” goes out the window and they usually resort to a brawling stance

The problem the taichi master have to face is, that this guy honestly speaking, got knowledge from chi sao from wt( or other arts that teach to relax). Everytime the tc master want to apply the force to the body of the guy from the audience, he took his arms back or he pulled instead of pushing. Guys, If the bridge is not installed you cant drive your car over the river ! 24 years WT teached me that ! The tai chi master is not that bad as you think, he's just young and need to stack experience !

The tai chi master didn't necessarily get dragged he lost yes but judging from that first try there was a little Power behind that first Push! Even watching a Second time when dude pushed the tai chi master he barely budged!

Im planning to study martial arts not because i want to be a professional fighter someday but to give myself a push because everytime theres trouble my hand wants to punch someone but my brain and heart keeps on telling me to stay calm and just let it slip. I want to do this for myself as self defence.

The braces being tightening is the worst, then those little rubber bands having to put them in omg ! I hated it ! So painful for a couple days !!! Good luck with it !

Thank you for giving us the tones. That is very helpful.

Seems like there was a little sugar in the Chai Tea.

The guy who came up from the crowd is definitely kung fun trained also. Perhaps a Chinese shui Jiao wrestler

Actually, we see two guys crossing hands. From one we know the name, from the other one not. Maybe the other one is also a master? Actually, the video says nothing, as long as we don't have a background about the other guy. And it has actually nothing to do with Xu Xiaodong.

I missed my calling. I shoulda been a weatherman and a TMA “master”. Where were these tables at on high school career day?

the guy who challenged the master has 'Suck chi' kung fu

One of the key differences is the sensitivity of the master; it allows him to stay ahead of the opponent in response.

I like tai chi for health reasons and breathing. If you're calm and fight, it's an edge. Take the being calm and then learn boxing, grappling, and weapons.

We're seeing more and more of this

Love this. Did anyone ever tell you you have a Woody Allen nes? It's all great

Student legs were paralelal while guy legs were in combat position, which means he has floor support and divided weight, which means this technique would never work out on him, I think agaisnt a student anything can work out.

This is not fake. It is called "Elastic Force Chi Kung" and it works quite well if you're not expecting it. Like anything else, if you're expecting it, it can be defeated.

A tai chi master is a teacher and he is not unbeatable as any good will gladly teach his students who are expected to excell and develop their tai chi like an artist does with clay.

i think the taichi master never say that the pushing strike cannot be blocked ,prevented or handled. the audience might be out of topic if he say the pushing technic is fake.

They always do it with their own students for this reason

Wait...Asian persuasion Woody Allen calling out fake martial arts masters??? Liked and Subscribed!💪

A true master wouldn't be wearing pants that are too big for him.

Congrats on taking care of your teeth, my friend! I just finished getting mine straighted a couple months ago and am 32 years old. Takes some confidence to do in adulthood.

Yes more tai chi masters!!!

I don't know what did you see. I see a man who grabs master hands every time when he should be pushed. This way, nobody can't be pushed.

Chen Ziqiang is a Tai chi master you might actually be interested in. He does some good, honest pressure sparring.

I like to watch Tai Chi and would probably practice it myself at some point but as a martial art it isn't effective, though there are probably some useful principles contained in it. It certainly doesn't give even a master some incredible powers.

Unpopular opinion: for an uncooperative demonstration, it's a fair representation. Obviously you're not going to bounce your opponent out the same way you would somebody offering you their structure. How well he would have done against strikes is another thing, but the basic point is it's tough to fight me when you're already fighting for your balance. I think what this guy showed was a reasonable display of manipulating the balance of an uncooperative opponent.

1.53 When his opponent push back, a . . . (what's the word?) Tai Chi master, would move & let him pass . . even pull opponent to the ground. Tai Chi is . . soft art, it didn't . . force thing to happen. He might be a genuine Tai Chi teacher, but here, he force thing instead of using the art. It's like he forgot to applied the principal. He need refreshment on sparring train. Badminton or tennis, you watch and strike when it's the right moment, not before, not after. That moment only as long as a blink of eyes.

Love these vids

Now I wish these people applied that same kind of ‘realisation’ to religions. There’s be more love than war, I know it !

I'm not saying this guy's techniques are real, I don't know, but it is similar to something I've done in the past. But I'm also a big guy, 6'4' 200 pounds plus when I did it and this thing I use to do would be to tap an opponent quickly with my palms under your clavicles to offset an opponent's balance then I would plant myself and lift them as I pushed them as hard as I could, throwing them backwards. I've thrown a buddy of mine pretty far back like that when he was training with me but I was putting a lot more into it. This guy's technique requires a willing opponent to show it, mine you don't.

The next time I see an old person doing Tai Chi in the park, I'm going to go challenge them to a push hands contest.

Tai Chi is only for relaxing and strengthen one's mind and find inner peace. It's not for combat. Tai Chi Quan is for combat. However I highly recommend Tai Chi for inner peace.

Practitioner's side affects the effectiveness

I think that random dude is a skilled push hands players by the way he stand receives the masters push.

I am not a taichi expert, but shouldn't they seen a mile away their opponent is not off centre yet AND still very compliant.

quick question: since tai chi is proving to be not useful in combat situations even drills, what is its benefit? Really want to know

you look good brother i love your videos

What the guy did proved nothing , he watched the technique so he knew what to expect. When somebody is expecting the technique , none work.

Sun Jian Guo is said, based on one website, to be a distant descendant of Li Yiyu, who in turn was among some of the earlier names of early Wu-Hao Style masters.

The challenger in this case is very likely experienced in Taijiquan tuishou (and because someone already misunderstood and responded, I said experienced, not skilled. He's not good, just done it before). It very much looks that way from an experienced viewpoint. It is not that he is showing great skill but he knows exactly when to let go, how to refrain from over-extending himself and resting his weight on his own legs rather than falling into any trap (falling onto the opponent when enticed). This guy has certainly pushed before and knows the pace and pattern of the game. This is probably why he wanted to make a showing of challenging this "master". These video discussions are interesting but there is always the tendency to miss the important details without a background in the art or related arts to what we are seeing. You can see many comments on here (as well as the general idea of the commentator) that this is a random guy who is.. proving again that Taijiquan or pushhands is fake. Although there are unfortunately many examples of exactly fake Taijiquan it is important to understand that originally it was not fake and there are still surviving examples of schools/teachers/practitioners who treat it as a non-mystical and very practical martial practice without any fakery. What the "master" is attempting to show here is a 'too good to be true' example of magically manipulating his own compliant student who provides a stiff arm response for his to launch the guy, or alternatively a compliant ragdoll for his teacher to toss around as desired. In the real world practical context an opponent or even practice partner will offer neither of these things and the exchange will look entirely different. Generally speaking Taijiquan has three ranges, like most other arts; kicking (distance) striking (broken contact) and grappling. Tuishou (push hands) is basically a set of partner practices that sits in the transitional area between striking (sanshou of broken contact) and grappling ranges. It can deal with the inner striking range as well as the tight grappling range. As soon as practitioners break contact and back away it is basically violating the terms of the tuishou practice, which generally seen to be focusing on sticking contact one way or the other. An interesting measure of Taijiquan skill or martial realism is examining whether a practitioner/teacher can handle range transition, and this tends to be a trend across many 'fake' examples. When such teachers break down, or are exposed in these videos we normally see that they look very good with their own student but when faced with someone who forces them into a less than idea range they have no plan nor ability. In this case this teacher looked fine with his student (although not believable) but when the challenger pressed his range and closed the gap the teacher mostly failed. Then the teacher tries to attack in demo fashion but the challenger pulls away giving him nothing to use. The next entry by the challenger the teacher is then pulling away and retreating at every touch. This is showing the fear and the inexperience of fluid range abilities. If this teacher was legit he should have been able to allow this challenger to pass ranges and had something to offer other than just retreat. What this is showing is that outside of his own students he has nothing useful to offer at striking contact range, and totally uncomfortable at grappling range with even less ability and just resorts to fear. The legit traditional schools and teachers of Taijiquan are fairly few and sparse as commercial money tends to favor hype and fakery, but they do exist. It is unfortunate that few more mainstream outlets such as this channel have the knowledge to find and examine the real examples. Here is an example of my teacher from years back entertaining the attempts of visiting students to have a try at him while trying to teach some concepts. These are friendly exchanges but also not compliant and can provide a view of what a real martial practitioner freely improvising really looks like as opposed to the kind of hyped up crap that we see in so many debunked demos on youtube: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eNiPZ9KHv8e0lIk.html Here is another example from way back. I was training with him at the time and I was certainly not compliant, but the second guy who shows up at 3:08 is totally an unknown quantity who just showed up at the park with his kid and was curious. He also had a little try, and this is a very good example of what a fairly inexperienced but intent person looked like having a try against a real practitioner. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j5eVq5er1tGVaac.html I hope some of the skeptics and naysayers out there eventually do learn about the real art of Taijiquan. Happy practice everyone-

Tries what?? He just grabs him lol

Taichi is not for fighting, it's like yoga. Suppose to be a breathing exercise and slow movement

Hi Jerry, what part of the world are you in? I’d like to put you together with one of my taichi buddies, if possible. To see how you would do pushing with one of them. All safe and fun, but you could be surprised. Let me know.