I definitely feel like their reviews come from a more sincere place and they aren’t afraid to point out the bad things. Very refreshing from the extremely positive reviews from other channels

BoardGameCo And Quackalope feel attacked by this comment lol Those guys are the undisputed kings of Hyping everything.

Quackalope might be the worst review channel ever. That dude overhypes every single thing if he gets pocket money for it@@kaijuh

Glad you enjoyed it!

That's the plan! Thanks for watching!

hey awesome to hear, got lots more stuff coming! -Ashton

Awesome man! Yeah more reviews on the way, I think we'll try to get AoL 2.0 :) -Ashton

Me too man. I live in another country with strict taxes on importing, so I'm trying to get only the necessary. Which would be either the FOA Expansion, while purchasing the base game here to skip taxes or buy the KOR base w/ stretch goals, that would make an even bigger box with higher change of a big taxes. FOA seems flawed on reviews, but even so, it is well ranked on BGG. Which means that can be a decent fun. Probably. KOR fixes a lot of problems but stands at a higher costs to me, which I don't know if it's worth because I don't own FOA. There is also the chance of a company in my country bringing KOR as retail, as happened with FOA. Tough decision to make.

Be careful when it come to bgg scores for kickstarter exclusive games because that means it got less exposure from the general board game public and instead has inflated scores from people who were either already inclined to like it or are already superfans who keep up with all the kickstarter updates. If you like the aesthetic and story hooks of Tainted Grail, I'd say first and foremost figure out if you like the cardplay, and if you do I'd highly suggest KoR over FoA, which at this point I'd only recommend if it turns out you're a big fan of Tainted Grail and want even more after playing KoR -Daniel@@yesmadx

Actually a great suggestion lol -Daniel

Much appreciated!

awesome to hear! It's definitely an awesome story -Ashton

well that sounds awesome. Hyped to play that one! -Ashton

Good question! We haven't played Fall of Avalon 2.0, so can't speak too much there, but if you're looking for a more streamlined experience, KoR definitely more like that with the less open-world-ness. Again, only speaking from our experience on the prototype :D -Ashton

Unfortunately we don't know the exact details of the 2.0 changes beyond the component list (new rulebook with new mechanics like fast travel, hundreds of cards to replace old ones), so it's hard to say for sure -Daniel

No plans for it rn, but if Awaken Realms is down, so are we! -Daniel

oh interesting! Yeah I liked it at first, and had a lot of discussion with DAniel on fights, but eventually we just kinda tired of it haha. Can see what you mean! -Ashton

I think it's fine as is if you enjoy it, but I'm someone who found it be meh in the first place, and after finishing the first game, it's just tiring for me personally since there's no fundamental changes. If this is your first Tainted Grail game, I don't see it as an issue since there's drastically less fighting in Kings of Ruin! And even if you do eventually get sick of it, hopefully that's from having a Tainted Grail campaign under your belt lol -Daniel

Cant say for certain at this point because we don't know the specifics, just that the rules have changed and that a bunch of cards are replaced thanks to the component list of the 2.0 upgrade kit (it's just a bunch of cards and a new rulebook) -Daniel

Much appreciated!

Naw, Claudyne the Unknighted is simply in my way -Daniel

I bought conquest a while back during a steam sale but haven't played yet so I may get around to that, but I mostly care about getting the first person fall of avalon cause it looks like tainted grail skyrim edition lol -Daniel

@@Shelfside Yeah I just saw Fall of Avalon on steam the other day. Looks interesting for sure. I got to spend some time on Conquest recently and it's really good! Basically slay the spire but in more of an open world/Diablo 1 type of setting. Best Deck Builder I've played on PC so far.

Unfortunately don't know, Awaken Realms still hasn't released further details on what 2.0 FoA changes. All they've said is wider generalizations like a fast travel system, less resource costs for less grind, better balance, etc. but no specific details as to what's being changed. -Daniel

@@Shelfside still sounds good enough to try it out. Thank you!

I know it's a stand alone sequel but aren't the story world connected though? I'm afraid that I will want to know more if I only get the new one. I've seen good reviews (maybe even better reviews compared to the core game) of the expansions of the first game. I'm actually (sorta) watching the new Game of Thrones series just for this reason.

@@vlowolvtake1797 Not sure - I might cave and get both - but my currency has tanked vs USD

@@nimblegoat Same here...I will probably wait until the very end of the campaign and see in hopes of the currency situation getting any better...for less guilt😂

For connected world, while both take place on the island of Avalon, I can say right now that despite having beaten Fall of Avalon, I have no idea wtf is happening so far in Kings of Ruin lol, obv don't know if there's more lore connections later in the campaign. I do know that Kings of Ruin mentions the Fomorians from the Red Death expansion though -Daniel

@@Shelfside Thank you Daniel🤩🤩🤩Better calm my anticipation...the games are not even coming until next year!

Tbf Fall of Avalon was pretty broken as a game between certain infinites existing, dysfunctional rules, and unbalanced progression lmao -Daniel

@@Shelfside gonna have to disagree there. People say the exact same thing about Etherfields. Dark Souls is a good example of a game that doesn't work RAW. Hard/"I don't like it" is not the same thing as a broken or poorly designed game.

@@BradLacke Depends on the commenter and how they describe their problems with FoA, but I'm referring to people who broke the game via early power spikes and then turning the gameplay into a super grindy slog since it was easy yet time-wastey. Obv the game isn't actually hard unless you challenge mode while ignoring the exploit grind spots so yes people who say it's hard and leave it at that havn't properly engaged with it -Daniel

Thanks a ton!

They definitely stay around longer than previously cause they can no longer disappear on their own, but if your playstyle involves hunting them down the instant they spawn then the minis may not last that long still lol. I'd say if you love minis then go for it, but otherwise leave them out if their presence doesn't make the vibes better for you -Daniel

They are doing a 2.0 update pack in the current kickstarter that addresses some of the grind issues

The idea that "tons of minis" is "value" is inherently pretty clueless and one of the big things holding back the hobby. The reality is that mounds of minis are cheap. Ignorant people just THINK of them as value, so the minis get used to pretty much trick them into getting stuff that's really much cheaper but can be used to overcharge fools. The real value in a game is the gameplay content.

​@@fy8798 The idea that what you personally deem valuable is the objective definition of value is what I'd call clueless. Minis do have value for me and many different people, be it in increased immersion, to paint or to simply collect. The notion that minis are cheap to produce is, in most instances, just plain wrong. It generally is one of the biggest cost factors in mini board games. In addition, you are either moving the goal posts or were not able to understand what I was saying at all. I was quite clearly not speaking about a game that removed gameplay content and added in minis INSTEAD, I was argueing that a lot of games have as much gameplay content as AR titles IN ADDITION TO tons of minis, f. e. Arena: The Contest/ Tanares Adventures, Stormsunder and tons of others. Lastly, calling people on the internet clueless and ignorant because they hold a different opinion to yours, or in this case, you utterly midunderstood their opinion, is quite a dickish thing to do. YOU are what is holding this hobby back. Cheers.

It's not out yet, but should be shipping to its backers fairly soon iirc, dunno about when/if it hits retail -Daniel

The difficulty still comes from what you'd expect: random encounters gone wrong or explorations that do like half your health. Granted, it definitely is a little easier than FoA because you can heal faster, but if you want it to be harder, you can walk into wyrdness more often, and then past that you can choose to play challenge mode. (And in my honest opinion, Tainted Grail's systems were never hard in the first place, just needlessly tedious and occasionally you randomly suffer huge chunks of damage) -Daniel

Theres an update pack for rules and stuff. You can see it on the page.

@@RolandIronfist13 it doesn't update FoA to KoR gameplay. Don't spread misinformation.

@@dextersamson8286 The update pack is designed to improve the old game retroactively…which is literally what OP just asked about. I think you’re confused.