hard2hurt idk bro...I guess it all depends. While most dudes probably don't know how to finish a guillotine choke with skill, idk if I want a strong, determined guy squeezing/pull my head off. I definitely understand and agree with what you're saying. Getting your neck cranked on might be better than catching a strike/gouge on the way into the clinch. As always, great content.

I dig it. I've been guillotine'd by friends much smaller, and even my wife at one point so it's one I'm typically avoiding but lifting the head after the shot is not something I have learned so hopefully that'll save my neck in the future. Just as force of habit I probably wouldn't but at least now I have a safe option for it, or safer than having to fight it off once it's already in lol.

Nah,

Offer it .

I usually offered it if I was going for a double leg but I dont use my hands to get the take down ... I lift their body up and hop up , sweep their knees out with the back of my feet and ride them to the ground gaining full top control. Has never failed me in the few times I had to use it in a streetfight. I'm unusually flexible too so it always took my opponents off guard

He's a master baiter

I came for this.

Hahahaha

He baited you into making that comment

@@antoniocuestarepice786 Look guys. He got the joke.

Always re-stomp that groin!

.... how many times have you watched this video?

@@tword5687 lol

I don’t think that was a deliberate joke.😂

Bruh I don't get it

@@sqb8980 "im a baiter, im a master at it ( a master-baiter)

I like a healthy bowl of oodiloops in the morning.

lol xD oodiloops is funny to say

I want to get a really talented wrestling guy to discuss the details on that stuff. I have a lot of things I do... but am not really qualified to teach. I am not fully aware of all the details on much of it I just maybe have some success from practice.

@@hard2hurt did you ever manage to make that happen? Would love to watch it

I think Judo’s curriculum is ideal for that kind of situation

sanda and muay thai i think are the ones who emphasize these most. being striking arts with no ground work, and limits to how long a clench can last just like boxing, they have refined clench based takedowns to the fastest most efficient and reliable ones, that are also not sacrificing defense vs striking. the only time i would shoot in a defense situations is in order to not get shot, if someones reaching for a gun and im in shooting range, i might shoot because the risk is suddenly worth it.

I know I sound like a jackass when I say this, but "just" do Judo for a bit.

so do you train for the street or you train for competition too?

Well now you know a way not to. Go practice!

Your shoulder should contact your opponents pelvis before you hit your drop step. Thier weight should resist you...slowing the fall basically. If you hit it right you can do it on concrete. Besides...for those of you who never been in a real fight you dont feel pain. A lil booboo on your knee is nothing

@bowmanpwner Its hard to waistlock in sport grappling, but in mma or street its easy because of punches. Either throw a jab then shoot a body lock. Or duck under their punch and body lock. While keeping the body lock pivot so your hips are perpendicular to opponents. Hook their leg with your leg and twist your opponent towards his back. Easy takedown...simple to do even if your drunk. Lol

@bowmanpwner In the street pull leg locks lol. Shoot double, if it fails, drop into Ashi Garami like Palhares and torque their fucking knee apart!

Double legs are sexy af imo, but a single leg works just as well, also for the double leg ideally your legs shouldn't hit the floor (especially on tarmac) yojr legs should not go to the ground when doing it and your strength should come from your legs driving towards them

Yeah with the head under you can really lift and toss them with that head up under there.

You are!

Yeah i give beginners my head all the time and they fixate on it.

2x what?

@@latinamagnet3492 High School wrestling champ

@@Nbk_Bigo oh nice, im british so didnt understand

@@latinamagnet3492 Nice 💪🏾💪🏾

It's so counter intuitive for a non wrestler too... took me awhile to break the habit of putting my head down to avoid punches.

@@hard2hurt agreed! Ive gotten smacked by a hip sooo many times it just becomes habbit to be cautious.

@@hard2hurt the russian tie is something i think is very useful in a street fight, you can make many things out of it.

Made that mistake exactly once, gave myself a concussion by ramming my head into a hip.

High level...

Yeah, I saw what he did there. Lol

It's just that he does it out in the parking lot.

Cool next time be safe and throw first

In order to defend an attack there must be an attack. I only use my skills to defend myself, not to attack others.

@@duckey19083 true

Same

You don't punch the knife out, you control it (either arm pit lock, arm lock, armbar) and afterwards either break the arm or take their back or throw them. It's not exactly easy and takes a lot of mat time to be reasonably successful. Knife is the worst to defend against.

AstralStorm totally agree but what I was saying is people think grappling doesn't work period in the street because they have gun or a knive.

@@minlee5376 Uh grappling works, how else do you control the knife, other than this or by immediately throwing? *Ground* grappling is risky because if it fails, you're mincemeat. You cannot just comfortably sit there if knife arm is somehow uncontrolled.

AstralStorm my argument wasn't about fighting against guns knife in first place. I was more talking about defending against hand to hand combat and yes double leg works that was it.

I like ground fighting, it's fun to train and I do think it's a need-to-know for those interested in rounded martial arts or defence - especially for women since the goal of a lot of these attacks obviously end up in these sorts of positions. However, to me, the big caveat of willingly fighting on the ground in a street fight is A) concrete. Even taking someone down can easily bust your own knee up. Now you can't stand or get away. And the main one: B) Unlike training (unless you train with massive douches), people in the street want to stomp on your head or smash your face onto concrete - and so do their friends. There's hopefully no broken glass or gravel or sand in your gym to cut you up and blind you (permanently). I think the potential risks for ground fighting just grow a bit more in the street. But there are always exception. I remember years ago at school I wound up on the concrete ground against a bully and his mates and, luckily, ended up guillotining the guy out to stop it before his friends got involved. I got put in isolation for 2 weeks too for defending myself 🤦🏻‍♂️

Which is why you must do this kind of throw/fakeout with timing advantage. E.g. when the guy just shot for a strike or so.

It's really not a very bright idea. Personally I think you should only double leg if your guillotine defense is on point. On the other hand a great way to get a great guillotine defense is to shoot double legs on everyone and learning what to do when you fall down. The way I do it I haven't been guillotined in more than a year. If you shoot with your posture up there is no guillotine to be caught on.

Obviously dont do it against someone who knows how to do a guillotine

First he's talking about dudes on the street. Second you have to be quick and clear your legs. You will NOT get guillotined if you clear your legs and get to side control.

Pretty sure it would hit the pavement before it made to an inch above

Yeah most probably, then you faceplant on the concrete… I don't see this technique good for street at all.

Hey bro that was the issue I had and when do a take down never slide your knees

Ill reply similarly. If what you meant by knee hitting is the drop step on a proper double..A: It should barely hit hard because if you do it right, your shoulder should slam thier pelvis first, the weight of thier body will slow your fall on the drop step. B: You will not feel the pain of your knee hitting...when youre jacked on adrenaline you will not feel a lil booboo on your knee.

Nonya Bizness your a smart guy man. But shit I just don't shoot my double anymore with knees. It just fucks up your whole knee. You might not feel it but next you will. But the way your describing is interesting. So you pretty much hit there pelvis first and then your knee drops. Thanks for the tip

Thanks for the tip. I'm not worried about a skimmed knee. I'm worried about being under stress and accidentally slamming my knee into the ground and causing an injury. You're gonna get hurt in a fight, but I'd rather not help the guy do it. Interesting idea though about the pelvis slam, I'll need to try that.

@@minlee5376 I just gave a tip but in a streetfight or mma i dont think the drop step is truly necessary anyway. Wrestlers need it because wrestlers take a really low stance. Also I really dont think its necessary to shoot a dub unless your fighting a much taller opponent...which Im short so its important I know how to get someone to the ground. But then its really not necessary to drop step if they are say 8 inches plus taller...your hips are already lower. My basic strategy for street is...if they are shorter or up to about 6 inches taller...I go to plum...shoot one knee to the groin as I break the posture. Then headbutts on repeat. If they really tall...I bodylock(to defend punches) and I like the leg-hook double because it will put even a huge guy down. Once down I would go to side control put both arms on far side and 12-6 elbow the shite out of thier jaw. If its a crowded area...knee mount instead...you can fist pump from there...or run away...or stand up and stomp...or just restrain them...it becomes what you need it to be

Head way up, eyes up, turn that shoulder into their body. Remember this was something you planned, not your response to them trying to snatch a guillotine or ddt you.

@@hard2hurt I still would not want to take thar chance, but you were lawenforcement. I am sure you have the practical experience.

@@kevingonzalez3673 yeah fair enough that's what the opening explanation was like... this is not the ideal situation but theres a time and place you know.

@@hard2hurt Makes sense. My job requires restraints without going into details. I did a takedown on pavement hit my knee. It looked like a waterbaloon an hour later😊 anyway your vids are great. If you were here in LV, I would be coming to your gym. Thanks.