Yeah same

same lol

What the last "remastered" version was ps3? Oh guess I should have watched the video and could see the ps3 game lol.

The game was made for the GameCubes CPU, but newer CPU's. I can see why it would be difficult

​@@jamman7344that's.. Not the reason? The port is based on the PS3 version which was in turn based on the PS2 version which is why it's at 30 FPS, it has nothing to do with the Gamecube's CPU

​@@flaminginferno6641lost source code is the reason

welcome to gaming in 2023

It’s a game from like 2004. I’m not sure what you were expecting? It’s not a remake but just a spit and polish to get it out on more platforms.

@@David-nd4toi wouldn’t call it “spit and polish”. Almost certain they just ported it directly from the PS2 and branded it as a remastered.

@@jaymeister26 you’re entitled to your opinion

@@jaymeister26 Actually it’s most likely a port of the PS3 version that was remastered from the PS two version hence the additional costumes that were included with the PS3 version if you had saved data from other PS3 tales games such as graces and xillia Hence the Alvin costume zelos gets

That's terrible

That is absolutely insane... It could be so easily fixed. I can't believe they left something so broken in a new, expensive "remaster". I find it openly disrespectful towards the customers. Certainly not buying this port, I think emulation would give better results.

@@jakef.7126 I once played the PS2 version on an emulator, and it was quite a terrible experience. All sorts of frame rate issues and stuttering that couldn't be fixed.

@@k4keko Man... Fair enough, but I think adding text boxes isn't rocket science. They could have done without the awful AI upscaling and released it as a cheap port and not as "remaster". Sadly I don't have the answer for how to rerelease Tales of Symphonia but this has been an absolute train wreck. I feel money was not spent on optimising the frame rate or recreating visual effects (screen shatter or background in menu)

@@k4kekoI’ve played my copy on Dolphin and it runs like clockwork. Plus there’s HD textures and blue removal and the widescreen hack that makes it enjoyable. Dumped it a long time ago and never gave a thought to any of the ports.

No love? This feels like an actual insult to the fans and I've never played a Tales of game.

It's like they only bothered to put in enough effort to make sure it would boot and respond to the control inputs, then said "this is enough" and shipped it like that.

​@@TwilightWolf032 I mean they could have just doen nothing at all

Seriously. I stopped at the triet ruins because damn the frames dropped horribly.

@@nezkeys79 That would have been more dignified.

Nah mate. Tales of Arise sold like crazy. Even tho it was heartbreaking and an instant turn of for me that they cut Mulitplayer. sorry but there was no other JRPG series where you could Couch Coop a whole game and really play as a team. ToS and TotA where my entry point for JRPGS. And i played the HELL out of them.TotA was the reason why i learned english. Because it never got a EU/German release. So i had to buy it from the US and learn to read and understand english. But it did because it was one of the BEST games i had played to this point in time. And it was worth it. The struggles i had with my 2 cousins to understand what to do and where to go. Such great memories. And even to this day. Once every 2-3 years we get together just to play through Symphonia,Abyss,Vesperia, Xillia and Berseria. And its always a blast. so we where incredible sad to find out that last years gaming season was played without Arise because it didn had Multiplayer. So sad.

If he's a true fan why is he play dubs? that's the fake audio track. he should play the actual game, which includes its real audio.

@@the-man-who-bites-his-tongue Even if he did play with JP voices (which aren't anymore fake than the ENG ones) that wouldn't change the fact that that's the least of the games issues, issues which were highlighted in this video and which wouldn't magically go away just from a simple VO track change. To claim or act otherwise would be disingenuous, ignorant and biased.

I don't know about you, but my wife and I have been loving this game on the Switch.

They could just remaster the DX game again and fix bugs and graphical issues

And just like SADX, fans can make mods to give it the look of the original, with the content of the expanded version

@@jaretco6423 It is still incredibly glitchy with bad collision and the main source for the criticism that SA 1 is buggy. When in reality the original didn't had most of the glitches from the DX version.

@@jaretco6423 I have fell through the world several times, specially in loops (there's the infamous Emerald Coast loop), so it is glitchy. And none of these are in the Dreamcast version.

Dreamcast version is definitely more stable, but the DX version is buggies and overall the Dreamcast version just looks better too me

"You would think Namco would put more care into this one seeing the game sold to a million on just the Gamecube alone before porting to other systems." No it didn't. It never hit a million until the PlayStation 2 version arrived in Japan. Third parties tended to port games from the GameCube because of that platforms low sales. Capcom did it a lot (Viewtiful Joe, RE4, Killer 7). Sega even did it (Sonic Heroes-onward, Super Monkey Ball). Again, can we stop with the revisionist GameCube takes? Tommy Tallarico got busted for that by hbomberguy during the whole Amico fiaco.

@@nintyfan1991 okay that’s my bad. I see that the GameCube version sold close to a million.

I don't know if you played Vesperia DE on Switch on release but no they did not do a great job there...on Switch it had constant crashing issues that were bad enough for me to drop the game and have yet to go back and play it (got/am too focused on completely new games that a game who's main scenario I already beat on Xbox 360 is still backstage for me right now)...ya this got patched out later but doesn't change the fact ToV wasn't a fantastic job especially as you also ignored how pissed people were with Namco with Vesperia DE in regards to the voice acting issue as well with Troy Baker (and probably others) getting changed cause Namco didn't want to throw out the extra cash needed for that to happen.

@@ifrit1937 I had no crashes while playing the Switch version. Though sucks that you did.

I have to also bring up Klonoa Phantasy Reverie. While game can run mostly. The game can't run a steady 60FPS and tends to waver by plenty. This causes button presses to not register on point. Klonoa 2 is a good example of this, and I own that of the physical copy (Europe) since only Asia and Europe had physical copies. This problem screwed with my 150 dreamstone runs, especially on hoverboard stages.

Eh he/you forgot that at launch but Vesperia Switch also had at least a constant crashing issue at launch...it was bad enough I dropped the game completely and have yet to go back to it (granted I beat the Xbox 360 version multiple times so the ONLY parts I didn't play (though I saw in KZfaq videos years before the DE version released) are the new content additions). Also...your argument about comparing Symphonia and Vesperia's generations doesn't really make sense tbh as Vesperia is from a later generation of console that likely fixed issues with game development that existed during Symphonia GC/PS2's time while all the assets were still fairly old for that generation of gaming (the game's art style is just really good...same art style as Zelda Windwaker which still looks great today even though it came out 7 years before Vesperia/2 years before Symphonia in 2001). Hell on Xbox 360/PS3 Vesperia it ran 30 fps on field, 60 on battle and was 720 p on Xbox 360 and 1280 by 576 on PS3 which means the only real thing it had over GC Symphonia was resolution which pretty much all games started changing the resolution to around 720p in the years in between these 2 games releases as the rise of HD started at closer to Vesperia's release than Symphonia's. And as far as PS2 version (that all later versions are based of) given the PS2 was weaker than the Gamecube (which was why all animations were remade from scratch and locked to 30 fps for the PS2 release) comparing that console version over the better (technical wise) Gamecube version is kinda ridiculous as when comparing something you take the best version, not the worse.

You know what? I don't even want a port of Chrono Trigger then (even though I already first played it on the Steam/PC version in the Summer of 2022).

​@@ifrit1937 I think that was a memory leak problem. Which in general seems very common with Switch games, especially ports of games that never have this issue previously. Even first party games, like Pokémon, Xenoblade and Hyrule Warriors port. I'm not a code monkey so I'm not sure if this is the game or the console, but the PC version didn't have this crash issue and i never had issues with Scarlet on emulator even after long play sessions. So I'm thinking it's the console not being able to sustain sleep mode for extended periods. The way around it is to not leave your console in sleep mode until your next play session and reset your system way more often. Though vesperia did have other issues, like the sound mixing, voice acting quality and direction, and odd changes. It gave me a good laugh with "Zod" instead of Zaude though.

Vesperia isn't even a good game

Vesperia only turned out the way it did because it already ran decently on the console that they ported the game from. Every version of Symphonia since the GCN version has been a port of the PS2 one which ran at 30fps.

I played it on steam just fine 🤷‍♂️ and for only 5 bucks

Since you never played it before the steam or PS3 versions are acceptable. It’s only a huge downgrade if you played the original GameCube version. The extra content is nice but not worth the whole game feeling awful for veterans. I’d recommend the GameCube version through dolphin since you have a pc. It runs like a dream and there’s an HD texture pack that overhauls the UI and makes it look even better then official re-releases

Look at metroid prime remaster that game was literally more then a port as it actually updates the graphics and controls and it was good.

@@Cruxis_Angel I noticed that the two disks are separate files. How exactly does that work on Dolphin?

If you own the copies and hardware, just download Dolphin Emulator, dump your GCN copy on to your desired storage device (USB sticks, External HDD or SSD, or even internal storage) and play the game at 3x resolution for 1080p. You probably have a controller for the PC already, but in case you don't, an Xbox One Controller will suffice, it has analog triggers like the GCN Controller, as well as similar placement of the D-Pad and analog sticks so it is the best option for emulation. And that's it. Go enjoy the only good way to play ToS at higher resolutions on your PC. Stay away from the Steam release, it almost gave me motion sickness with the 30fps and macro stutters.

I don't know about you, but my wife and I have been loving this game on the Switch.

I don't know about you, but my wife and I have been loving this game on the Switch. And I played through the game multiple times on GC.

​@@lysanderxx1664and that's good for you, it doesn't change the fact this is an undeniably crappy port

Oh God, I hadn't even considered this! I'm keeping my fingers EXTRA tightly crossed!

Do we know if Monolith are handling the remasters?

@@therock238360 They’re not.

@@therock238360 probably not, Monolithsoft is long gone from Bandai Namco at this point, not to mention that they’re simultaneously working on Tears of the Kingdom, the DLC for Xenoblade Chronicles 3 & Splatoon 3, and (possibly) their own original IP

There's already a bad mark against that port with it not having the English dub. Honestly not much of a loss for the first game which sounded like they were talking through toilet paper tubes, but Origins had a very good dub. It sucks, but it won't stop me from playing the remaster, hopefully a patch for that will happen later on. I do have the originals if I want to play them dubbed. There was definitely improvements to the visuals like redone models and 2D assets though so I think it's less of a cash grab than this was which I think was just the bad PC port put on current consoles which is why it's so poorly optimized on switch. Here's hoping it's good regardless of the lack of the English dub, and hopefully if it is that means Xenosaga's remaster is around the corner too.

She's known her whole life that she's chosen, accepting it from Remiel is just a symbolic gesture.

Tbh that's on brand for Colette.

She was raised from the time she was a baby with the idea that she was the Chosen and would eventually have to go on the journey of regeneration to save everyone. And it’s not like they tell her (Spoilers ahead) “oh and by the way you’re going to lose your soul so your body can be a vessel for a thousands of years old dead girl the angels are trying to resurrect.”

You didn't play the game. In their religon whover gets the Cruxis Crystal by an angel when they are born are named the Chosen. She was rasied her entire life in the religion of the Church of Martel and groomed for it lol.

@@cathygrandstaff1957you spoiled the game I’ve canceled my order and won’t play it. Damn curssse you

Agreed and it plays really well. Took em a long time though since for a while the game wouldn't even boot on some computers.

The one available through Steam?

Remastered version isn't available on PC? only the PS3 port is on steam.

​@@alexisguerra8235 guess what? It's basically the same fucking thing (except less broken). I believe that they now even call PC version "remastered" if you try to buy it on their page.

Bruh the Steam version is the best one. Even without mods. After they FINALY fixed it, it became my favorite version. But only because of the very easy Accessibility.

It seems like most 'remasters' lately are either incredibly good like Metroid Prime has been, or incredibly cheap and dirty like this or Chrono Cross or that horrible GTA collection a little while back. Sadly far more examples of them doing it cheap and dirty.

@@Kasaaz tbh chrono cross is better than this, it has revamped character texture, extra content etc. While tales of symphonia just straight up steam version ported while they slapped remastered word in there and had more bug with very high price tag.

@@Yoedi16 Chrono Cross just has horrible performance even on PC when compared to the original. It's really weird. Whatever particle tech they used back then seems to make modern stuff explode in these remasters.

@@Kasaaz the PS1 was actually much more powerful than current consoles. We just tend to think otherwise because most devs back then didn't make full use of the PS1's capacities. You could, for instance, have ray tracing in the PS1; it would be able to run Resident Evil Village with no problem; etc. It's just that it was very difficult to use all of its potential. And on top of that, most games just weren't advanced enough. No one was making games like God of War Ragnarok back in the 90s, of course. Except for Chrono Cross. Chrono Cross is the most advanced game ever made, it's a complete nightmare to run it. Only the PS1's incredible hardware was capable of doing so. PS4 and PS5 are downgraded in comparison

What I don't understand is how the PS4 version turned out better than the others. Was PS4 Namco's main priority for the game? Because that doesn't make sense. PS4 is basically irrelevant in Japan and Tales of Vesperia (and JRPGs in general) sold way better on Switch.

is bandai namco the type to give patches to rereleased old games?

The PS3 version wasn't perfect, but it was a damn fine way to experience the game. Arguably the best version since it has the most stable framerate, lowest load times, much cleaner visuals and all the gameplay improvements from the PS2 release. This is just such a mess in so many ways that it's baffling how this passed quality assurance.

it CAN be fixed it just probably won't.

This game deserves an actual remake to bring it's graphics on par with Arise.

If anything gets fixed it'd probably be the frame rate drop issues and crashing issues (pretty much the worse issues tbh)...maybe the music starting mid load as well if they can't outright get rid of load times along with the weird cut ins of characters between transitions (like how the characters disappear/reappear in the first boss battle as shown in this video...granted I don't see them fixing this one immediately though). The black background on the menu and skit it a maybe/low priority issue imo hell for the skit I kinda prefer the black background as it makes it easier to see the white subtitles imo...granted they could get rid of the black rectangular shadow behind the text though...granted what they SHOULD'VE done though if they changed it to black due to performance issues in the background causing issues (likely an unintended glitch though) is make the background brown and added a border that looked like a wooden trim you see around doorways and the like for aesthetic purposed...same look could work for the skit background too imo (along with lowering the subtitles a bit to be under the lower row of character portraits). The thing with shop names popping up in the wrong place is also something I think they should be able to fix (and should) too if they patch the game. As for 30 fps it's not gonna change as they'd likely need to re animate everything for the game just like they had to do on the PS2 version to get the game to work on PS2 from Gamecube in the first place and I cannot see a port of a port selling enough copies for them to warrant going that route with a remaster...in fact at that point they'd be better off making a FF7 Remakes style of Remake rather than a remaster (or at least Crisis Core Style Remake which would still include a lot of new assets being made/possibly new systems made) and the only real issue with a full on remake is the question of what they will cut (which they will probably cut a lot of stuff...almost definitely optional stuff that barely plays any roles like Katz village not to mention a variety of enemy models that they don't have a current model for in recently released games and probably most special moves would be changed to their current look/animations with many being cut and the voice actors would definitely get changed given how big some OG cast member so Symphonia are now, not to mention being Union members too (and Namco doesn't like using Union members much if they can avoid it and the main games they use them for would be stuff like games based off actual anime rather than Namco original IPs))...even adding in the cut subtitles/dialogue that they removed for whatever stupid reason (Remiel scene) I don't really see happening as it would probably be too much effort and take too many resources for them in their opinion to do even though they SHOULD fix that at the bare minimum. Biggest issue with the game though is the price $40 tag given it's mainly just a flat out port of the PC version that released at $20...at best it added better boat controls, an auto equipment option based off if your character is S or T type, some new details to character/background/building models, and a bit better upscaling than the PS3/PC versions but that's about it...with just that you're better off buying the PC or better yet the PS3 version as that version as the most content of ALL versions of the game given it comes with Dawn of the New World as well. The only real valid reason for this version's (on all current platforms) existence is bring it to current consoles/game preservation/new audiences that do NOT go the PC route and as far as the Switch specifically the handheld option which is it's ONLY advantage over PS4/5 or Xbox 1/Series versions which you can still get with the PC version via the Steam Deck if you have one/willing to shell out the cash for one (later issue being the only reason I'd get it on switch as I don't have nor want to spend the cash for a Steam Deck right now...even if I did have the extra cash for it lol, I barely have hte extra cash for games every couple/few months).

@@natediaz1863 Would both love and likely hate it: love cause they could easily make the combat much more fun, add more graphics, and add on a lot of stuff to the game. Hate cause they'd likely cut a lot of things out and they will definitely change the VAs given how large most of them are now and I can't really see anyone besides Cam Clarke for Kratos or Scott Menville for Lloyd (granted Lloyd did get a new VA for Dawn/Tales of the World 1 and I didn't like the change much in either case)...as for cuts I can see them getting rid fo Katz village, some monters altogether as they haven't had models in any recent games/games after Symphonia, some of the more less lore focused side quests, some special moves that haven't been used much after it or changed the animations to the most updated animations (which for some spells don't look as good as OG Symphonia imo), probably will remove S and T type moves and rework how EX Gems work (which could be good if they add more EX gem slots as I thought 4 was tar too restrictive). And they'd changed/remove/add other parts we may or may not like. Also...rather than the 20th anniversary (likely the main reason we got Symphonia and not another game as Japanese devs/fans love anniversaries a lot more than western fans, especially 10 year anniversaries (for US, at least where I live, we basically celebrate the first 10 years and then the 25th an every 25th as big events instead)) I think they should've went with a different remaster this year instead of a Remaster or Remake of Symphonia and then went with the full on Remake of Symphonia for it's 25th year Anniversary in 2028 instead if they were gonna go the full on remake rather than Remaster and instead have the remaster of another game take this year (preferably Destiny DC, Destiny 2 (would be best if it was bundled with Destiny DC too), Innocence R, Rebirth, or Phantasia Nakiri Dungeon X (all the unlocalized games)), a completely new game in a year or two and then either a remaster/port and localization of another unlocalized game followed by a full on Symphonia Remake or vice versa. I would also say more so than Symphonia Phantasia probably would need a full on remake more so than it with a lot more lore and all added maybe some stuff to connect to Symphonia as the games are supposedly in the same world (not 100% sure if Namco confirmed it or not but fans more or less have lol) or some additional story content that was supposedly cut from the OG Phantasia (some sources on the Wiki claim Phantasia had a completely cut first arc with Dhaos or the girl who possessed Arche who was involved with Dhaos in some way as the main character for that arc that focused on what made Dhaos the antagonist, a 2nd arc focused on Cress/Mint's parents and so on sealing Dhaos (the end events we see at the start of the end result game), and then finally Cress and the party's journey as the 3rd arc. At bare minimum a remaster of the PSP Cross edition is something I want to see as said version would likely have the optional skits in it which would be a massive improvement over the GBA localization which cut out all optional skits (also why I want Destiny DC as Destiny PS1 localization also did this in the west...same for Eternia which a port that just kept the skits and translated them would also be nice).

Well technically Tales of Vesperia: Denitive Edition went fine in the Nintendo Switch version. I still don't know why Tales of Symphonia Remaster went wrong with on Nintendo Switch.

@@DigiPen92 Because they had to use the already broken PS2 version of the game to port it, seeing as they lost the data for the original Gamecube version years ago.

That's right I forgot vesperia was on switch. Thanks for the reminder!👍 I need to get back to that sooner rather than later.

@@Ability-King-KK I already know it's been ported by the PS2 version, I did played the Steam version before Remaster was announced. I was talking about the Switch version in general.

@@DigiPen92 Eh to be fair the Vesperia Switch version also had issues on launch such as constant crashes...it got bad enough for me I dropped the game and haven't been back since release (more so cause other games came out I was more interested in and I knew the main story as I played the Xbox 360 version a decade or so ago so the new stories over old one I played took priority in the end). Vesperia Switch later got patched so it didn't crash (or as much) now so I guess we can hope Namco at least does that for Symphonia for at least a few of the issues (at least the frame drop issue, weird pop in of characters during transitions, the white flashing into battle transition screen, and either get rid of the loading times or have it so the music starts after the loading screen ends instead of progresses at the same time). Regardless of if they do that or not though the biggest issue with this port is the price they're asking for...$40 is too much for a port of a port imo especially given the previous ports were priced cheaper at $60 for PS3 thought hat's for 2 games so the value is more $30 per game and then $20 for the PC version and it should've been $20 on release. I'll be getting the Switch version eventually as I want to play the game handheld and have no desire (or cash) to buy a Steam Deck however I'll be waiting for it to go on sale for $20 or less.

That is... damn near every publisher these days.

And you can of course pirate it 🏴‍☠️

The thing is they'll purposely fuck this up and then patch it later with an update so if you got the cartridge version and play it later in 10 years or so when Nintendo closed the eShop on the Switch, you probably won't had access to the patch anymore and will had to deal with these issues again.

I agree with this, the game's ability to cache screenshots seems to be just busted. In places it even looks like they're trying to compensate for it-- which says to me that this was definitely something they were aware of, but since they're just purely visual oddities they were too low priority to fix before release. This must have been super rushed for some reason.

Exactly this. There is not one single comment disagreeing with this factual video.

Its gotta be a remake or don't even bother.

The most recent one was the Tales of the Abyss...port? on 3DS, which I played and would recommend to anyone that still has their 3ds.

I don't think there's anything need fixing from the game... except from technicalities? Or probably graphics, which wasn't an issue if you play on an emulator with high graphic settings on a decent pc (I finished it first on PS2 btw). I said that because I played Vesperia DE and I thought it wasn't that much different from Abyss as I remember. Ofc there are lots of improvements, but they're basically the same at the core. That's also why I wonder lots of people praised Vesperia and dissed Abyss. They're practically the same game with different setting/story lmao

I believe that it's also the same for those as well

I got the PS4 version several weeks ago, all of these problems are exclusive to the Switch. PS4 Remastered plays like a dream, none of these issues are present. Every single thing like the skit backgrounds, menu background transparencies, everything works just fine.

This is why I just won't support the switch anymore

At least Chrono Cross remaster juste have a redemption arc today lol. Also, yes Final Fantasy VIII "remaster" was quite lame, but it was still playable. It was not that worse like this Symphonia "remaster". But yes, Square Enix remaster are qute hit or miss, except if this is a SaGa game lol. I don't know why, but the SaGa games remaster are always quite good ahah.

even the worst remasters from square are better than this shit

@@Figo064 x-doubt

@@jaretco6423 Final Fantasy IX is really not that good (not the game, but the port). They sadly didn't upscale the pre render background so the characters really don't fit. Looks at the Moguri mod for the PC version of FFIX. It's so much better. Each time you want to activate the turbo mode, you need to click on the pause menu (that's annoying ahah). Also, the Chrono Cross and SaGa Frontier remaster did a better job on that part.

@@jaretco6423 true, at least Bandai Namco just released a statement today that they will "fix it". Square Enix never fixed FFIX.

Lol. I just checked eBay and you could buy both the GameCube and PS3 versions together for that price…

And honestly even if the remaster didn't have these problems, full price for an old game that already looked outdated when it came out is stupidly overpriced.