Max and Gingi chatting is like that buff dude handshake meme

Holy shit that was amazing. Gingi and Max picking each others brains is a fascinating thing to listen to. Amazing insights from both of them too. SSS tier content, need more of this

Can I just say that the editor did a great fricking job on this video.

I'm a big fan of the editing on this one.

One of the best podcasts formats I've listened into for a while. Having Max and Gingi have a back and forth asking very good questions was really really good! Would love more of this content if possible! Maybe hard to replicate as this came of as so authentic but god dayum 2hrs flew by like 20mins

Wow, Gingi came with serious notes

I think the EU directness may also be a language thing, it's hard to inject nuance, subtlety, intonation into your speech when you're speaking a second language to someone else speaking a second language, so it becomes very matter-of-fact. I do think there's some level of cultural directness compared to NA, but I would say the language thing may have a greater impact.

This was awesome, thank so much for having this chat and putting it out there. I'm just AOTC myself and mid-level M+ so I'll never play at this level, and its super interesting learning about the behind-the-scenes work, the minutiae of the race and prog, and the guild dynamics. Please do more of these, very good content.

Awesome content, so cool to hear this high level discussion. Amazing editing - haven't been paying attention to WoW over all these years, so great to see the fights as they discuss them.

just look at GIngi when Max said "it was because of you" lmao. the sheer joy of "i got that guy" xD

you can really tell how much respect they both have for each other super cool to see

this whole convo was so good, really interesting to hear from both perspectives. Also editing was spot on, as always

Awesome edit, great video all together. Always interesting listening in to the minds behind these races. Thanks for sharing :)

I really like the long form content because it gives me something to listen to at work. I remember you discussing your content being long form on steam and just letting you know the algorithm is whack and I appreciate this kind of content.

This really needs to be done after every teir. You guys went from hey this wasnt cool to have an basic understanding of eachothers feeling this was by far one of the best videos ive seen about echo and liquid

Probs to the editor really solid work including ref. video's stats and information during the topics of discussion made it very enjoyable to follow along!

Really nice listening to you. That was some great content and discussion with the authentic curiosity that both of you have shown. Kepp it up!

Great video/ podcast. Love how honest it all was and love watching the co-stream with these 4 in general

More of this! Much love to both teams. I am originally an EU fan me living in EU but I love so much both teams and it's so cool to watch you compete I always cannot decide who I want to win, I rather want you guys to be happy!

Love when people can get along and just have a good talk. thanks Max and Gingi.

This was such a great video, just two elite players shooting the shit, great variety of topics covered. I think everyone would love more of these kind of discussions in the future!

This was amazing I don’t usually sit and listen to ppl talk I love watching ppl actually do something but it go thoroughly enjoyed listening to gingi and max talk about the raids thank you

Great convo. Glad it happened. Hopefully more of these can happen in the future, but it makes sense that it's very dependent on vibes.

More content like this please (-: Love to see Echo and Liquid collaborate

Would love to see more stuff like this. Fun to stuff from both you ang Gingis perspective

This was one of the most interesting conversations I’ve ever listened to about this game, really appreciated the candid back and forth between you guys

This video rules. Y’all should definitely do more stuff like this between tiers

This is the good shit, props to both of you guys and to the editors as well, this video was clean.

Dude, this is so fckin good. If you ever have topics to discuss in the future, from yalls pov. Please do it like this.

I haven't even started to watch, but knowing you Maximum; and him, by following both on twitch, this "disclaimer" at the start is great and announces a great video. I already clicked it because I thought it was cool and you yet announce a great talk. Back to the video for me :D

This was very very interesting watch, Anduin drama was a fun part. So funny how many people thought these two guilds was mad rivals and hated eachother

Great video max, listened to the first 50 minutes will finish tomorrow after sleep :)!

Greatest editing, even with urban dictionary bit, very interesting and informative.

thank you sharing this. from EU but fan of both guilds! :)

There should be an event after every RWF where Echo and Liquid discuss their experiences with the race! I'd love that.

Superb editing, great video.

Editing is actually insanely good!

Dang that a fantastic listen, thanks for uploading it

The streets were wrong 😢

Literally the best video from these creators!

Interesting & insightful convo

Insane info input. Would love to hear a Podcast.

Love it how chat completely shits on the discussion and is hyper focussed on doggo sleeping =D

Good stuff right there, i cleaned my entire apartment while listening. Didnt even notice :D

Ty for uploading. Good shit

I love both guild, whether it be their players or RL or performances. I don't get why people will chose one side and bully the other, I just cheer for both, and get excited for whoever wins and sad for whoever lost. Max is an incredible person that did so much for the wow community, and he doesn't deserve anything he got shit on for absolutly no reason. From an EU player.

i fully appreciated the mdi co streams, with gingi, max, dorki and growl.

This is super interesting and really intense. Friendly, civil, but intense.

absolutely loved this

cheers to yall for chatting

Max I think you are the most wholesome dude I think I’ve ever watched on YT. I think you’re super funny and want to be more like you and Gingi

Listening to these two chatshit about raids and world first races...top tier content.. we need more ❤

This is what it’s all about right here love to see it!

some good question from mr, gongi, love the vibe between max and him

Wonderful content

Actual banger video.

Big respect to Max for owning his personal shit. This is super interesting from an outside perspective but you're 100% nutso if you don't think this is going to give one side more advantage than the other to pick each other's brains like this

This was so freaking interesting.

Watched it all, worth it!

2:14:05 Played back in MoP and 10 + 25man was great for so many players, and while it was impossible to balance completely, it was the reason I was able to clear Heroic on my main and 2 alts, since I didnt have to do 25man for all three characters. And both 10 and 25man was superfun.

amazing podcast

"Light meme-ing" is the sweet spot.

Great chat!

This was great should do this more

Great talk!

8:56 I love the idea of being able to play with people from all regions. Latency issues might be a problem, but if that could be solved, it would be amazing for the game.

loved this video so much holy shit

A conversation between Scripe and Max! Imagine that! I would love it and watch a 24h video of it!

This is great stuff. Feel like a lot of this stuff applies to more than just WoW. Just great advice of being a leader or what it takes to be the best at anything really. My guildees need to learn from the whole "admit to mistakes so we don't have to go searching through logs" that would just be so nice if we could fix that lol. Lots of egos out there though. Hard problem to solve in a lower level guild while keeping raid moral high imo

Great contend 👍🏻

I like this kinda talking great

you know its a good wow session when you have sweaty gooch

Gogo same time zone! :P Echo in America: Gingi's Paradise

Hey, FF player here love your content dude I know a lot of the FF community was so fucking cringe when you played but I enjoyed you and that group anyway just wanted to say you at least have one FF players who enjoyed you in that time.

This post raid table talk should be more of a thing every raid teir, its nice to listen to how people think.

Loved this Feels like Max needs to leave space for Gingi to respond in between his 5 minute rants though lmao

“Word on the street is that there’s a heroic week.” The word was wrong

What a fucking banger of a video

Bro honestly, the hatred and disrespect just makes these races AMAZING. it reminds me of the vs beef, who both got absolutely shitrocked by this random russian analytics guild, who literally was never relevant again, i mean god i love drama man im such a loser 😂😂

The part where Max was talking about "if a new player comes in and didn't soak the mechanic" and how he wanted "the next player to say 'That was my bad'" is HUGE! Not just in WoW raiding, but in the workplace! It's not about holding a person accountable, it's a team effort so the team has to be accountable.

26:43 lmfao mr edit man bro making me wake up my neighbours

talking with Gingi....and Jak...and Xyro...and Dorki...and more!

Honestly the 24 hour headstart will be something that will never not be brought up. Mentally if you look at a race where 1 persons starts sooner it will always look bad. And it is bad but Blizzard just does not want to do a global launch.

Does anyone else have huge audio volume swings between Max and Gingi at least? I gotta crank the volume to hear gingi and turn down when max comes on. I find this in a number of videos where everyone calls in on discord

I have been looking for some time Can you tell me what the Addon is that shows the player names in all your videos?

Max and gingi talking about being human and the chat's just like: hehe.. Doggo dream go brr

The Gingi bit was funny, even more so on Growl's chat

No interrupting Gingi & All would be perfect

This is reminiscent of the EN Legion start of the xpac, but obviously in the opposite direction. I think they were so worried about having an EN repeat after implementing a new system that they went so far in the other direction to try and prevent it, resulting in multiple bosses needing massive nerfs. They implemented tier and an entirely new talent system in this patch on top of abandoning borrowed power which could server as a way of psuedo-nerfing content each week with player progression.

I don't know why Gingi doesn't mention that Echo delayed their reclear in CN because Limit was close to the kill. If they had recleared right away then they would definitely have killed Sire D within 16 hours of Limit (probably within 4-5 hours if they went full steam ahead). So what Max describes at 1:45:16 practically did happen during CN since Echo didn't have time to reclear the raid and progress Sire D because Limit was so close to the kill right after the reset. I'm not saying Echo would have won CN with global release because again there's a lot of other factors to include (nerf times etc.) but I still think this is a valid point. Limit did kill Sire D before Echo effectively had their reset.

Nice

so the new schedule of war within release means, that the second tier would come out after new years?

pog

If you are annoyed by obnoxious people in chat, please increase the number of moderators you have. It doesn't only bug you, it also bugs all of us who are peacefully watching, enjoying the content, rooting for Liquid, for Echo, for both, for individual players, or none of the above, and just trying to have a good time. I feel that all in all we are a sane majority and would hope that our support means more to you than a few weirdos venting.

Max#S look turned giga hipster with those cute glasses and stuff! I love it

Great interview! As an avid viewer of Liquid's and Echo's Race to World First events, it's always great to get more inside information on the dynamics between guilds. Great respect! However, I also have a somewhat controversial opinion on your journey and experience in FFXIV. As someone familiar with raiding in Final Fantasy at the highest level, and as a player long before the "great exodus" from WoW during Shadowlands, there is a perspective on the changes and toxicity in the community that manifested itself right at your time in the game. Nearly all content creators were trying out the game, whether for story or raids. From a WoW player's perspective, the future of the game actually looked pretty bleak at the time. So FFXIV had a number of "refugees" in the game who were playing the game primarily because it wasn't WoW. This brought out two types of people. On one side, the players who felt that FFXIV was being overrun by the menatality of WoW and ruining the differences that are currently enjoyed (and yes, the "no add-on" policy is part of that enjoyment). On the other hand, there are disgruntled WoW players who try to cast FFXIV in a particularly negative light by masquerading as FFXIV players just to bitch about certain content creators. "Why is that?" you may ask. Because they are seen as "traitors to WoW" or want to spoil the fun for streamers, thinking that they will eventually return when they learn how toxic FFXIV really is. One such person was caught in Asmongold's stream a few weeks ago. So yeah, your experience was a bad one. I also attribute that in part to the WoW community.

Meta deserves to be number 1 right now

Very interesting and entertaining hearing the talk between the two of you. It's great seeing the mutual respect between two fierce competitors. Also great editing and just an overall amazing video. One thing about the "16h head-start". I understand that it sucks for Limit/Liquid to always have to feel like a win from them will be questioned because of that - especially if the two guilds kill the end boss in quick succession. A win is a win, and it's not Liquid's fault that there is no global release. However, it's just intellectually dishonest to deny that the head-start is an advantage and it always bothers me hearing Max - who is a very logical and intelligent person - try to come up with different explanations for why it isn't an advantage. Also, when Liquid has won it hasn't been because of the 16h head start so far. But a few times when Echo has won, it's been *in spite* of them being disadvantaged.

Max looking like Magni with Glasses :D

Imo, if they are going to make a big change that to a boss. They should lock the raid for 24hours, to give racers time to prep, and then release. Would make for an Actual crazy pull-to-pull race.