And we wonder why the Scots actively want us to lose every tournament when all we do is bash their game despite how ridiculously rich (and corrupt) our game is. 🤣

Celtic and Rangers are massive. I’m in Australia and they have a bigger fan base here than Spurs and Newcastle. If they got in the EPL they would attract players if they are run properly. I can’t believe Andy doesn’t know how global those clubs are 😂

Mate the disrespect towards Kille was dumb af. To say "Celtic got beat by killie this season" show you he has not paid attention to killies season. They have done amazing this season and managed to get wins from both top 2 teams.

Since 2000, Celtic and Rangers, from their tinpot league, buying players at 2 and 3 million pounds, have got to the UEFA / Europa league final 3 times. I’ve seen English teams with 700 million pound squads struggling the conference and Europa. With the finances in place Celtic would be a top 6 club.

Wouldn't expect Goldstein to get it. A Londoner who supports a club from oop north! Celtic would prob have to adjust to playing in the PL but be in no doubt, them and Rangers are massive clubs and their revenue would increase exponentially that would enable them to compete for top 6!

Poor goldstein absolutely rattled 😂

The reason Celtic don’t progress anymore is because when they find the best players that are unknown and perform at Celtic. Premier league comes along and takes them as the SPFL dosent have any money they sell there players.

Nothing is ever a guarantee. Fanbase alone won’t guarantee top 6, that’s true. But there’s far more to consider than just fans turning up to watch the games. With Celtic in particular, they have that ‘Irish connection’ across the world with a fanbase of an approximately 12 million, with 1 million of these in North America alone and 800 supporters clubs globally, those are insane numbers and that’s the difference between Celtic and the likes of Leeds, Newcastle, Sunderland, Everton etc who have a good following but not anywhere near the same scale. Such a following will attract major global investors who lap up that kind of support. Not to mention the money they’d make from it with the club in a huge league. Taking that into account, plus the money that comes with playing in that league, plus sponsorships, plus spending power to attract better players along with a large fanbase would give them a great chance. Unlike Leeds, Newcastle, Sunderland Everton etc, Celtic have already carved out a global reputation and interest for their atmosphere and fanbase (particularly while they’re exposed to the champion’s league audience) and that’s while they’re currently a Scottish league member, imagine what kind of club they’d be in a bigger league.

John stones was getting paid thousands a pounds for having goosebumps on the bench when man city came tae celtic park

Not one bit of hyperbole here when I say I question whether they could finish top 6 in championship.

Andy Goldstein doesn't get it. Making Celtic comparisons with Everton. Players love playing for Celtic or Rangers because the atmosphere is on another level. theyd have the EPL money with attraction of the stadiums atmospheres'. its like Red Star Belgrade here, in Scotland all Pyros, Tifos, singing non-stop.

I don't think you can actually predict how well they would do, because they have not recruited at a high level in decades. The only thing we know for certain is that Celtic is run better than Rangers. Celtic is so used to domestic glory that their fans cannot comprehend having to compete with more than one club with a similar budget.

I think they would similar to Newcastle after a few years in the league; unfortunately it can be difficult to get overseas players to play in the north.... and they are really north.

The difference is celtic have an identity that makes them appealing world wide. They have a huge fan base in North America because of the Irish diaspora. The story of celtic sells world wide a club started out of charity fighting against the establishment. There are clubs in England that have big supports from where they come from and there identity is where they come from nobody cares outside of that area. You go to peru you find a celtic supporters club

Celtic would become a powerhouse in PL , overnight every kid in Ireland would drop their PL team to support them so in a generation they'd have the support of an entire country . Can assume Rangers would get a lot of support from England also .

Damn, that was a proper CLASH

Obviously there is always exceptions to the rule but generally size means success the cl highlights this .. management etc is obviously vital ..Celtic 60000 with 20,000 on waiting list playing in the Scottish league what like the demand be in premiership? Stadium expansion the money coming in would be huge . The world’s greatest players speak of the atmosphere being the best they have experienced .As a Londoner I can say Glasgow is a seriously cool city so would attract players .. This guy speaks from total ignorance.. Ask Joe hart Frazier Forster who have experienced big clubs in England and Celtic they say Celtic is a completely different level . Also look at every league in the world there is a massive corolation between size wealth and success that’s fact .

They would eventually

It took Liverpool 20 years to re-win the title. Arsenal haven't won the title for 20 years. Man Utd haven't won the title for 10 years Yet Celtic fans think they'd walk into the EPL after 100 years of having a massive financial advantage in the SPL and be instantly competitive on a level playing field in the biggest league in the world.

Goldstein trying to argue that Everton are as big a club as Celtic. Good God.

I'm a celtic fan, and the comment on Manchester United at the start sums it up really. They're the biggest most famous club in England, but struggle to be top 6. Leeds are equally as big as Celtic and Rangers, with history and support, and they're a yo-yo club. If they'd got into England in the late 90s early 00s then they'd probably be thriving now, but as it stands they're miles behind.

They'd be midtable with prem money, without they go down😊

It all depends how it goes. PL have grown massive strong sides, that compete year in, year out. Plus it's far more competitive than the Scottish League. It'll add more of a challenge than playing smaller squads in Scotland. That's the difference here.

If players from around the world, international players, are willing to go to Newcastle then they’d go further to Glasgow.

The old firm with their current playing squads would be cannon fodder in the premier league & would struggle to stay in the division,let alone top 6, that's not even worth a discussion.

Wouldn’t mind seeing a structural change whereby, the top 2 Scottish teams play off against the championship third and fourth teams to see who gets in the PL. obviously money would need to go into the SPL to support it so lots financially to solve for but would put theories to the test. You could end up with an entirely Scottish premier league in England over time but would be interesting to see.

I support neither Celtic or Rangers but am Glasgow born and North Lanarkshire bred (still live in North Lanarkshire) and Andy simply doesn't get it. It's not about the size of the two clubs alone, but what it means to succeed as a player at either of the two. The lure of playing for Celtic or Rangers if they were in the EPL would be ENORMOUS for a player, and where Andy doesn't get it, Darren does. He knows that if both Celtic or Rangers were in the EPL the opportunity to be set for life, way beyond playing or media work and the riches it brings, is a huge lure. It's basically Legend status, and even with both playing in a not great league, the players who stick around, drink in what it means to play for either club, and succeeds, means they go recognised among these clubs international support. It's just different up in Glasgow and North/South Lanarkshire compared to bloody Bournemouth or even Tottenham, City, and I need not go on. When Ange's time is over at Spurs, regardless of his level of success, he will confirm that. Liverpool and Manchester United? Different story, but not one in which those two would automatically dwarf either Celtic or Rangers when it comes to expectations and overall brand, if they were all in the same league.

I've been fortunate enough to travel to 71 countries in my life and I've seen locals wearing Rangers strips in more than half of them 🇬🇧 It was an absolute pleasure to spend time with my fellow Bluenoses in places such as Costa Rica, USA, Canada, Mexico, Denmark, Norway, Latvia, Germany, Slovakia, Bulgaria, The Netherlands, Italy, Croatia, Macedonia, Cyprus, Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, UAE, Georgia, Singapore, Hong Kong, The Philippines, Malaysia and South Africa 🌍

Accrington would be a top 6 team if they had the money the top 6 clubs do...

I am an AFC Bournmeouth fan and our ground holds just over 12,000 but we comfortably stayed up this season, after the players understood Andoni's playing style, We beat United 3 nil at Old Trafford and were the better team in our 2 all draw at Home. Size of the stadium is not as important. Bradford City's stadium is twice the size of ours and they ar in League 2

These two clubs are massive but Scotland wants independence so stay where you are. Funny how people hate everything about England but when it comes to money they will sell out.

There are already big clubs in the prem, if rangers and Celtic would finish top 6 which two out of chelsea, city, arsenal, spurs, man united and Liverpool aren’t going to finish above them?

That the same guy from the talktalk ads years ago?

Wayne Rooney just said he wished he played for Celtic, as a Scotsman I wanna see Celtic/rangers leave maybe they can start in the championship, I'm surprised Rangers didn't go south when they went into administration.

No chance

Celtic and Rangers are bigger than every club in the premier league apart from Uniter and Liverpool. Everywhere I've ever been in the world I see Celtic bars I don't see Chelsea bars or Spurs bars 😂😂 I certainly don't see 115 charges fc bars.

The board don’t spend the money they make on getting out of the groups in Europe so they wouldn’t in the premier league either. Both clubs rely on being massive in Scotland but never any more. It would never happen anyway but if it did I fear they would not compete

The two teams in Scotland will never be considered big unless they can actually do something in the Champions League.

We should int eh 21st centbe looking at combining scotish leagues with the English, irish and welsh leagues!

Hi guys from south africa ..celtic fan since 1967 ...darren your the man ..i would start by saying manu and liverpool and then celtic would be the top 3 teams in EPL if that would ever happened i am now talking about big clubs .3 world clubs not area clubs .i would be a really good bet celtic would be top 6 with a level playing field and i better not forget rangers another world club .ANDY nice try but u haven't got this one right HAIL HAIL

All you have to do is watch a rangers or celtic game and to notice the difference! The atmosphere in the sradiums are on a different level compared to your tourist clubs like manu and man city! After a few seasons they would be attracting the big top players!

In time they would become a side on the level of Newcastle, but they would need years of PL money to do that. Potential to be Top 10 PL sides but only with investment.

It’s a 1 horse race in England

if they were there for a few years and had pl money they could push for it, but their squad isnt good enough

Of course they could attract bigger players than Everton, it might not gel together, but to say they couldn't attract the best players

All this said, they'd never be allowed to just switch over straight to the Prem, they'd have to go through the pyramid in some way, starting no higher than League Two.

Both would be mid-table at very best. Neither have the finances to grow or strengthen their teams and would find it hard to attract the top talent to come all the way up there.

Andy is underestimating how big Celtic really is. Comparing them to Leeds and Everton 😂 there are Celtic supporter clubs all over the world. Not saying they would be top 6 but they would definitely attract better players than the clubs he stated…. Bournemouth wow!

Goldstein is underestimating the size of Celtic and the amount of worldwide support we have. We would be competing with Liverpool, Man U and city for players within a few years with PL money

Imagine making history by being the first players to play in an Auld Firm in the Premier League...that would be appealing to some surely.

Bent am glad you speak from the heart ..this Goldstein is clown 🤡!! His ignorance about Kilmarnock this season also is astounding!! They been great this season they’ve beat everybody in the league !!

I know it was a long time ago but this was resolved when Celtic (2) played Norwich (still in the Championship) and got thrashed.

Goldstein is unwell, and the “it’s a two horse race up there” did It 😂 Spain two team league, Germany one team league largely, France one, Italy (inter and Juventus won 18 of the last 20’odd titles) and drum roll……. England, one team, two?

Pick a straw to see who's gonna argue the losing position, then describe it as a clash. Talksport.

Everton should be above the likes of Fulham, Bournemouth, Palace, Brighton and Wolves based on the logic that being a bigger club means you'll inevitably float to the top. Newcastle only turned a corner after being bought by an oil state. They were a Championship club less than a decade ago despite having a fanbase larger than half the premier league.

Andy has a point theres no guarantee that they would be in a top 6 for long time

20 years ago, maybe. But now that even mid table premier league clubs resources that dwarf Celtic's and lot of clubs have even bigger international following than Celtic now. No, they would be a bottom half club at best.

Celtic would immediately have one of the biggest fan bases, one of the biggest stadiums, one of the best scouting networks and is extremely well run being operated on profit year in year out with the added tv revenue they would bring in and the added sponsorship they would get it would easily turn them into one of the most profitable teams in the world not to mention that going forward most people in Ireland and Scotland would just end up supporting Celtic or rangers as apposed to English clubs. Celtic is essentially every Irish persons default team but most support English clubs as the league is better but if Celtic played in the premier league the level of support would shift away from English clubs to Celtic guaranteed

Be lucky to stay up straight away, after a few seasons with PL money they could ask they'll be more attractive than WHU, Palace, Spurs ect

Big money attracts big players. Thats why the best players play for teams who qualify for champs league on a regular basis. Celtic and Rangers would just be in the rat race with Newcastle, villa, Everton etc after a few seasons in prem league.

The difference is celtic & Rangers Have european heritage( in Europe every season since the dawn of time)more than any English team bar arsenal Man utd and Liverpool which means they have experience of playing better richer teams, celtics record against English opposition is Fantastic Rangers just went to the europa League final beating tuppence beating dortmund leipzig

You're a 30 mill player. Celtic and Rangers have the TV money now theyre in the Prem. Who is the player going to sign for? A team like Celtic or Rangers?! Or an Everton, Bournemouth, West Ham etc... it wouldn't take Glasgow's big two long to establish themselves firmly in the top half.

Got the support but not the team.

Celtic and Rangers in the PL would be signing all the top players.

After watching Celtic & Rangers quite a lot this season, I was really surprised how poor they looked. In England, Celtic top 6 in the Championship, Rangers mid table. I've nothing against either club

Thats tough……. Their fans are a Top 6 club hands down no contest, but the squad is like slightly above Everton’s spot in the prem right now. Nothing but respect for Celtic, Jota on the Wing and all that but c’mon that squad ain’t levels like that. Best derby in the world though hands down. One thing that is bad about the Scottish Premiership is that it’s a two team league being little brother to the Prem…. I actually think it’s in Celtic’s best interest to join the prem, attract better players, better managers which would equal better success in the Champs League stages, U can never compete in the champs if the majority of your football is the Scottish Premiership

They ain't got the cash to pay the wages , no matter where they go!!!! There's teams in leauge 1 with a bigger wage bill !!!!!

Yeh, you question Brendan Rodgers boys hahahaaa. Van Dijk laughed at Gary Neville when he was asked if the Celtic team he played in could cope in the prem. The Dutch accent and “they coast it” tells you all you need to know. John McGinn who came from St Mirren and Hibs “the time you get in the ball in England is ridiculous, I realistically have time to build a joint in the middle of that park before receiving the ball” 😂 Celtic had bench warmers like Ryan Christie and Stuart Armstrong who stroll the prem. Celtic with premier league draw, Jesus they’d be a problem

When will you understand the highest paid player in Scotland is probably on 40K a week.

The weather….wow.

Scotland arent attracting big players because they are not as big as they make out, they would struggle to grt top 6 in the championship

Investors would be all over it, Game changed

Crikey, I agree with Goldstein !!!!!

There's only 1 way to find out

He asked if players would play for Celtic or Bournemouth. Bouremouth don't challenge for top 6. The question is would players rather play for Celtic before Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, West Ham, City and Villa and the answer is no.

They would have been a top 5 team in the premiership up until the late 90s. If you put the current Celtic team in the league they would be relegated, no doubt.

Because it's Celtic! They are massive, 1st British winners of the European cup. Goldstein ffs.

Celtic , and the Rangers , would both be top 6 teams in the premiership.

Celtic and Rangers would be like the other 15 clubs trying to get Europe, there's the elite 5 United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and City and the rest. Man City dominating and not being a massive club historically is proof it's more than stature.

Goldstein really is a knob

Being capable of finishing in the top six does not mean they would. Andy is gaslighting, he knows well one Brendan meant

Goldstein absolutely miles off it. Both clubs are considerably bigger than 80% of the premier league, with the exception of united & Liverpool. Given the money / marketing / resources within 4-5 years both Glasgow clubs would be dominant.

History, Facilities, culture. All reasons they would do well in the Prem

What is Goldstein on about. He is saying they would be a challenger for top 6. They might be 8th. They might be 3rd.

Yes Celtic and Rangers are big but proof that they wouldn’t finish top 6 in PL is that year after year without fail they nearly always finish 3rd or last in their CL group.

Only one way to find out, get them in the English leagues, we got enough Welsh teams that are hardly decent anymore until Wrexham get there, so get the 2 best Scottish teams in, so they can actually have an opportunity to progress in the footballing world, also Scotland get to have a complete shake up of who will become the best teams. I’m for them joining our league just cus it would be interesting with the size of the clubs they are, but would need time to invest as yeah, right now they’ll be relegated, jeez Brendan relegated Leicester with a decent squad, let alone the average championship side he has playing at Celtic right now.

I don’t think they would get out of league 1 tbh

Celtic, if given PL funds the season before, we would be top half, after 10 years we would have 100k+ stadium 💯

Celtic and rangers are not comparable to 99.9% of the teams in England and comparing them to Everton is nothing short of stupidity

Funny how nobody and i mean nobody has gone to Celtic for the badge as the pay is awful in comparison to the prem. If Celtic were the club everyone wants to be at why hasnt big players retired there?.

Absolutely sick and tired of this conversation and that’s coming from a Celtic fan!!! Every year it comes up and it’s never going to happen!!! There was a vote on whether or not to let Celtic and Rangers in years ago and 14 voted against it. Yes we would struggle in the Premiership and probably the championship at first but after a few years we’d be flying with the money from the fans, commercial contracts and the money the league brings. Let’s end the conversation now because there’s no chance. 🍀

Andy Goldstein being entitled as usual. It's not about attracting players. It's to to dk woth what you can pay these players.. when celtic can compete with the money of the Premier league they would "attract" bigger players than most premier league teams. It would take a few years granted.. pure and unadulterated playground argument from goldstein.

Goldstein entirely missing the point of how well celtic are run in terms of structure and recruitment as is. The clubs like Man U and chelsea soending big moneybin the PL struggling... they are run in total.shambles

Am I wrong or did this guy not play a professional game in his life. He talks as if he's involved in the game other than through the radio. Please someone clarify this for me.

It's a redundant conversation, they're never going to be in the English Premier League.

What about Celtic are a global brand? You’re supposed to be knowledgeable, there aren’t a lot of people outside England who support anyone other than Utd and Liverpool. I don’t know why you’re getting out your pram about it.

Smug w⚓ that Goldstein. Knows absolutely sweet f/a about football heritage and history

Celtic and Rangers would struggle in the Championship

Can’t believe once in my life time I actually agree with Goldstein all these Celtic and rangers fans who think they’ll be title challengers in the premier league just because of sky money really are deluded honestly just big clubs in Scotland yet they think there on par with the likes of real/barca/Bayern/milans have a day off seriously

Celtic are “big” because of the Irish ☘️ diaspora around the world that’s why they have support bases in America, Australia etc.