Yes its not comparable. If Leverkusen win the cups theyll have done the treble too, so its a far greater achievement.

"They've reached the German cup final, i didn't know that" *Unbeaten* Jim... They're *unbeaten*

I would say what Leverkusen are doing right now is by far in a way more impressive then Arsenal's invincibles as they have not lost a single match accross every competition they are in so far this season.

Unbeaten across all competitions, with a rookie manager and a team that never even won the league before. Just breached the world record for longest unbeaten run across all competitions since European football began as well. Of course it’s more impressive than what Arsenal did, I think the overwhelming majority of people agree on that much. It’s one of the most sensational seasons a club has ever had.

I’m sorry, but as an arsenal fan it’s clear that if leverkusen win the treble, it’s a much better achievement than our unbeaten run. Credit to them.

Miles better than what Arsenal done

Yeah Martin’s right, Leverkusens treble will be much greater!

If Leverkusen win the treble then of course it’s better than arsenals because they would have gone the season in beaten. What a wally

Arsenal were not Invincible, they were unbeaten in the league. Only Preston North End were truly invincible in 1889. Leverkusen may well match them 135 years later.

Leverkusens unbeaten run is 10x better than arsenal's 😂😂😂

If Leverkusen win every competition they are in and go unbeaten that pisses all over the Arsenal invincible season. That will be the true invincible season going unbeaten in every game they played all season.

Leverkusen didn't have a player dive against Portsmouth to earn a penalty and a draw... :P

If Bayer Leverkusen go the whole season unbeaten with 3 trophies it is by far the better achievement than Arsenal going unbeaten in only the Premier League. I hope the newly trademarked "Invincibes" tag by the Arsenal boys has an asterix beside it to clarify it was only for the Premier League that season.

There was no listen hitting out at anyone lol brilliant click bait,Martin had to stick it in with leverkusen only having to play 34 league matches they are the new invincibles Martin

Leverkusen going a full season undefeated, possibly winning all three competitions is an incredible achievement. They still have three league games and two cup finals to go. But if they do win it, I think it will be remembered as one of the Europe’s best ever team regardless of playing in a so called farmer’s league and winning the Europa league instead of the champions league.

Leverkusen have been brilliant, but Atalanta are no mugs in a one off game and Leverkusen are missing a lot of chances. I hope they do the unbeaten treble, but it will be tough

Arsenal lost more games in all competitions during their invincible season (6) than United lost in their treble season (4) Leverkusen’s feat is already superior to Arsenal’s

Arsenal shouldn’t have entered this convo… it’s hard to compare the 2 achievements. Both are remarkable and it’s a disservice to try to say one is better than the other.

Bayern aren’t 20 points ahead in second place, what the hell is he on about?

Its even insulting to compare banter fc season facing the Derbys of this world and losing in the KO phase against Bayern, while Leverkusen does the total opposite in all competitions.

You really cant compare both. Leverkusen is magnificent.

Juventus also went unbeaten in serie a under Conte in the 2011/12 season but people don't seem to mention this.

Its on another level to anyone in history...on for the treble my mobs Arsenal couldnt even beat Boro in the Invincibles run,Bayern crumbled to this Elite Leverkusen that weekly recover

This is something you do on FIFA career mode or Football Manager. It’s an incredible achievement.

1 thing i notice was alonso rotates a lot, and they still win. Players come off the bench in the last 15-20 minutes and still score.

Now that the Bundesliga season is over, 90 points from just 34 games is insane

We can only say the Prem has declined if we see the same levels of performance in Europe as we saw this year. For this season, the premier league underachieved. There's no doubt about it.

I love how Jim goads Martin by saying how calm Alonso is on the touchline. Brilliant!

I'm an Arsenal fan, and I've got to give kudos to Leverkusan. They've done it across all comps, and if they win the cups aswell tgat would make it all the more impressive.

Let's not do this please. I bet leverkusen to come to premier league and be 49 unbeaten. The reality is they won't be able to do it. Premier league is different gravy. Going on a 49 match unbeaten run ain't happening here mate. There will be only one greatest invincible and that is arsenal of 03/04

It’s not even close. That Arsenal team got banged out of the cups. This leverkusen team are on track to win EVERYTHING.

Leverkusen have been remarkable this season. By far passed my expectations

As an arsenal fan , they are way better than the invincibles. It’s facts. I’m happy with that. Our time is done with that history and now there’s a new generation of invincibles. Be happy that it happened and it’s happening than being upset. We r witnessing history

what Leverkusen are doing is better than the invincibles season because these are doing it in every competition where as arsenal collapsed at the back end of the season going out of every comp then just playing for draws in the league.

The invincible’s season achievement by Arsenal surpasses Bayern Leverkusen’s primarily due to the strength of their respective league

It's a better achievement! Bundesliga Title, German Cup, Europa Cup, no doubt! Its a Fantastic Treble with a team near relegation a year ago, rookie manager, and budget far less rhan than teams they have beaten in League and Europe! Leverkusen are the very definition of TEAM over super clubs with 4 star individuals! I think they'll win Champs League next year! 😮

England personified Give Rishi a call

English media are so up tham self wake up the best coches in epl are European

Unbeaten across all competitions is far more of an achievement than Arsenal drawing their way through half a season.

Lehmann has the copyright on the "invincibles" name. Preston were the original team unbeaten in a season. It's not even being mentioned.

Imaging winning a treble undefeated I hope they do it Amazing story

Arsenal didn't win any of the cups in 2003-04, or get to any of the 3 cup finals, so (assuming they don't lose either of the last two league games) BL has already eclipsed Arsenal.

So we are comparing the Bundesliga with the Premier League - Going unbeaten in either league is a great achievement.

Dundee lovely part of the world Jim the comedian 😂

If Leverkusen do it and stay unbeaten for all 3 competitions then they will be true invincibles.

Villas injuries and fatigue has caught up to them but this hasn't been used as an excuse up until recently (3 ACL's in a season is very rare and currently missing 8 players who would actually be in the squad), but the argument that there is no excuse due to Leverkusen's 49-unbeaten streak is complete fabrication. No consideration that Villa have actually played more games than them (arguably in a more difficult league). Arsenal missing Saliba for half a season was considered a reasonable excuse for their downturn towards the end of last season but Jim White, who by the way was trying to get headlines from Villa fans after our loss but was annoyed to only get positivity from us, cannot see how a team down to its bare bones can possibly underperform.

Blows away what my Arsenal did. I still think the German league is weaker than the premier league overall, but it’s quite incredible how they’re winning in added time.

Look at last 5 games injury time goals to not lose. 49 unbeaten incredible and will beat record 62 games unbeaten.

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If they win the treble and do a real unbeaten season then Arsenal’s achievement is school yard stuff tbh

Leverkusen’s will be the greatest achievement in football solely because they would be invincible in all competitions and won a treble as well as given the circumstances. Alonso’s first full year as a manager, taking down the greatest team in Germany, Bayern Munich, ending their 12 year reign. That’s remarkable. Also Arsenal drew 12 times in the prem. Leverkusen drew 9 times as a whole. It’s not “The” treble but solely for the fact they’d be unbeaten is why it would be the greatest. If Leverkusen lost a game, but still won their treble, it’s still a great season/achievement, but not the greatest.

Martin played 10 games in the invincible season. He was a bit part/spare wheel

not sure why Keown's catching the smoke lol it was Jim that initially started bashing the "aren't Leverkusen just like the Arsenal invincibles?" drum

I’m a massive arsenal fan and I wouldn’t usually say that as it isn’t normally relevant but I just want to say, if leverkusen manage to go the whole season unbeaten in all comps that is more impressive than our unbeaten league season fair play to them!

2003/04 Arsenal knock out in FA Cup, League Cup & Champions League. Arsenal invisible season is peanut compare to Leverkusen invisible treble season.

They eclipse Arsenal's invincible season if they pull this off. Arsenal won just the league. An unbeaten treble possibly. Atalanta could be the ones

Imagine an unbeaten treble, dwarfs anything i can recall. Arsenal doing just in the league is not comparable

City did the treble last season by going unbeaten in the FA cup UCL and lost once post World Cup break to Brentford away after the league title was wrapped up playing that match with most of the starting 11 with youth players.. Before World Cup break city had lost 3 times.. 2 of the first 3 losses was both away fixtures in league which is a regular occurance normally as city have far less mid season friendly matches compared to all other teams which is why they are known to be slow starters each season in august and only loss after that was last game before the World Cup break ironically at home to Brentford as all players involved in World Cup was already mind set on that and was city’s only loss at home in the season they did the treble.. Had city been able to start better for once and no World Cup interference it could of been city who won a treble and went the whole season unbeaten cos they wasn’t that far off given the reasons for why they lost 4/5 times..5 times of including league cup which I have not included due to Germany not having 2 domestic cup competitions compared to England..

Can Leverkusen do it in a season while playing the top teams in the champions league? Let’s see.

Madrid had a two week break before the 1st leg against city. City played 4 times. Other leagues actually help their teams in Europe. England doesn't. (NOT a city fan btw) Also, every league has been decided already except for England. In a game of fine margins, all these things matter

That Arsenal team dropped 24 points that season, and the very next season Chelsea dropped only 19 points, winning more games, conceding fewer goals, scoring more goals and gaining more points. What the Chelsea team did was more impressive, and no, I am not a Chelsea fan.

Who cares what listeners think? It’s not as though they are experts or even particularly knowledgeable. Like me, they’re just fans. That’s all.

Sorry, but please why is Simon Jordan speaking like Sean Dyche?

So many pathetic people commenting on here. Arsenal's achievement was amazing. Leverkusen is even more amazing considering who they are as a club(not won much before), bayern's 11 year dominance, and their cup and European success too. But too many goofs are being dismissive of Arsenal as if ii was no big deal. I'm a united fan who hated arsenal back in the day by the way.

I'm not sure what 2 games with Roma and Leverkusen Jim must have watched because what I saw was Leverkusen cheating in every way possible. And as for Jim's favorite Frimpong he clearly must have missed him ignoring Spinazzola lying on the floor with a torn hamstring whilst continuing to play with an obvious advantage 🤔 Frimpong caused multiple fights in both legs and is 1 of the dirtiest players I've seen in a long time

Invincible is not a trophy. it’s nice achievement so stop talking about it so much like it was one. Champions league or Europa League is a trophy and that’s what big clubs should be exited about but since Arsenal never won anything in Europe i guess nice achievements is what they have left.

Clubs wanna get European spot and then play reserve sides the season after 🙄 what's the point then, the fans still travel i don't see those clubs putting the prices down if they do that

What Leverkusen are doing is fantastic but it makes no sense to compare the Bundesliga with the PL and Europa League with Champions League

Let me see where they are seasons from now.

The EPL is over hyped , that's why England does not win trophies ... Foden is consistent for a season - World class ... Mainoo for a couple of games - World class , Cole Palmer shows glimpses in a few games - World class 😂

Europa League final is so much better than the champions league. Atalanta and BL play way better football.

Now we know 😉 the real farmers league the premiership not a single team in finals of the European cups

IT'S NOT TO COMPARE AT ALL!. His delusion too.

I like the bit where the Listener HITS OUT At Martin Keown For Comparing Leverkusen To Arsenal's Invincibles! - who is writing this shi7

How has keown got a job like this ffs

English teams do well in Europe: “Too dominant, the rest of Europe cannot compete!” English teams have one average season in Europe: “Decline! What is happening?” Got to love the media.

Leverkusan is a far better achievement if they win the cups they are in

BAYER NEVER EVER LUSEN.

Leverkusen are way better Not even close They have not lost in any competition Arsenal lost just not in the league

Let's be honest. If Dortmund beat Madrid, that'll overshadow everything Leverkusen have done all season.

Mourinho was the reason Roma beat Bayern Leuverkusen last year…..

Bayer beat Dortmund over the league season, Bayern Munich, Leipzeig, Roma, West Ham. Dortmund have beaten PSG, Atleti, Bayern Munich, PSV. Bayern have beaten Arsenal. Dortmund are in the CL final, 3rd place Bayern got to the Semi Final, Frankfurt win the Europa a couple years back and Atalanta are playing Bayer in the EL final having knocked Liverpool out. In summary, the EPL is followed by egomaniac arseholes and Bayer achievement is world class. Arsenal this year couldn’t even beat Bayern who are 3rd in Germany, Dortmund are in CL final and are 5th in league.

Keown clearly reading off a script here.

people forget arsenal were playin champions league, got to semi final, and fa cup semi, played better teams in epl man utd, chelsea, and liverpool. if leverkusen were in champions league final then i would say they have done better. Unbeaten is easier in other leagues, less games etc, celtic went unbeaten in spl not long ago. Apart from Bayern, who can really beat them in the league?

As great as it is for BL to go unbeaten in all competitions it's just not the Premier league standard their league especially as BM been winning it for 10 or 11 year's in a row.

Leverkusen and Preston North End the TRUE invincibles not a team that lost 5 times during that season

Who they this team played ??

Tbh no-one really cares about the invincibles, just Keown making it relevant and getting it in when he can and lets not forget he only played 3 games in that season, goes on like he single handedly won it. Lost to Middlesbourgh in the cup, invincible......lol

Their season hasn’t finished yet, they could still lose

lol "weve never felt that feeling of defeat" yea uncle what about the champions league the fa cup and league cup that same season hahaha

Would they still be unbeaten if they were in the champion's league?

Id compared them to Leicester City..

Which listener guys out at Martin Keown….?

These guys are so uninformed about anything outside of England.

Arsenal were only unbeaten in tue English Premier league, not Europe and I don't think it was such a great achievement they had like 80 points... Liverpool and city with nearly got 100 points a few years ago. Dropping less than 10 points each.

New invisibles are now in town.

Purple patch that will blow away next season.

Im sorry how many draws also bayer neverluson are on for trouble, what did arsenal that season

Who does fan think he is, questioning Keown's opinion on this? Keown, let me remind our critic, is an _actual Arsenal Invincible!_ He has the first hand experience, and has most definitely earned his right to have an opinion. His opinion is certainly more informed than that of a randon on a phone-in or YT thread. Too many people saying it is not comparable at all. Leverkusen achievement on this is immense, certainly, if they actually make it. But I'm not having it that Arsenal's invincibles season and unbeaten run is being diminished like that! No sir! If it isn't all that great, tell me why it has only happened a handful of times globally, and only once ever in the history of British football...

As an Arsenal fan have to admit it’s more impressive especially if they go on and win the two extra trophies. I would add in our season we were in the champions league not the Europa league and had more games to play overall with 38 league games and the league cup thrown in.