Tang Soo Do= Karate Do( Shotokan Ryu)....

16:15 Pyong Ahn Cho Dan= Heinan Shodan..

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Thank you for letting us skip the bad 80s music editing.

@@Ctorj01 excuse you? bad 80s music?

same happen to me.

I have the same sorry but in the 80s. Master Wickham moved his studio just as I was about to test for my brown belt

My parents kept me from training also, so I know how that goes. I'm glad you're now at a point in your life where you can take up martial arts on your own terms. Best of luck to you! When you find the right school and the right instructor, it's an amazing journey.

I studied in Korea while I was stationed there, 1985 to 1987. I knew the the Gentleman who did the first form as well. My Instructor, Kim Jong Kwan Sabunim , taught at Suwon AB.

I've had the pleasure of in person instruction by GM C.S. Kim, I've also felt those blocks.. power isn't an adequate word to describe it. 1987 was when I began in Tang Soo Do training, it's a fantastic art.

My instructors teacher was Grandmaster Kim, what was your instructors name?

You said the gentleman that did ki Cho hyung Il bu was your instructor's instructor? Master M.K. Kim is actually my father 😅

@@charleskim5402 Your Father will always hold a special place in my heart. As I’m sure you already know, he’s a beautiful gift to this world. Thank you for commenting. :)

I trained in Taekwondo ITF about 23 years ago, and it was basically old school Karate. I have also trained in Tang soo do and they were very similar. Now today they have spread apart more. In any case no matter what some say Taekwondo and Tang Soo do are just Koreanized Karate. These techniques and forms ultimately have their origins in Okinawa.

In fact, the forms presented are much older than karate itself or Tang Soo Do. Each Art has appropriated and adapted its training reality.

@@seanhiatt6736, They are even older than those presented by Okinawa. The real origin dates back to Northern China.

Yea the Japanese occupation of Korea was the reason for this

all are naha te

I get to see him yearly at our tournaments (IMA) and he sometimes graces us with a ho sin sul demo or form-He still demonstrates that power and technique you see here. Tang Soo!

Yes Tang Soo Do still lives on in the Moo Duk Kwan associations. I'm proud to be a student of a TKD school in the traditional Moo Duk Kwan association, despite the proliferation of WTF everywhere. Being able to trace instructors directly back to Hwang Kee is awesome.

I used to train under an affiliated UK arm of the UTC (headed by Grandmaster Richard Byrne), I also came with my family from the UK to compete at GM Byrne's World Championships in Boston in 2013 - Gm Byrne was a great orator, sorely missed.

Maybe, because shotokan is one of the influences of tang soo do genius?

@@MrFabiomassid these forms were used in more than one Okinawan art before Funakoshi took his form of Okinawa-te to Japan.

I always appreciate those who can make comparisons between styles. I don't understand why people would bash that. Sorry about the guy with the passive aggressive response. A better way to respond would have been saying Tang Soo Do takes its roots from several different styles including shotokan. In fact, it was made by selecting some of the best moves and philosophies from many styles such as Northern Kung Fu, shotokan karate, judo and many others. All martial arts can be traced back to one of a handful of origins. This guy sarcastically calling you a genius for not tracing it far enough is a little silly. Especially since Okinawan Shotokan dates back to the early 1900s. He forgot about 2000 years give or take of martial arts that predates his style. Pretty sure most martial arts teach respect and discipline. It's about a way of life which includes protecting yourself. Let's be nice to each other. Martial arts is about growth with your fellow brothers, not putting down those you deem less than you.

Cool observation. General Choi wanted to unify with Hwang Kee's school at one time, so it makes sense that his first form would resemble Kee's. Or maybe both of them based their first form on Pyong Ahn Cho Dan (Pinan Nidan in Karate), which has the same opening moves.

@@MountainAdventures1 Many of our forms find parentage in TSD / Karate katas. I think that what you mention is a part of it - but throwing away the woo-woo nonsense about TKD stemming from ancient Korean arts that really no one at the time knew or practiced - the founders of TKD were all black belts in one of the Japanese martial arts - mostly karate, a few judo or jiujitsu as well. Shotokan and Shito-Ryu were the big two, IIRC. Before Choi and his team created what has become known as the Chang Hon forms, TKD schools typically practiced karate kata or the Pyong Ahn forms. I believe the Pyong Ahn set are what most Moo Duk Kwan lineage TKD schools still practice.

​@@thefightingsasquatch Completely agree. And yes, the forms in this video are what we practice in our Moo Duk Kwan school up through 1st Dan.

Mr Kim taught me for 5 years at Osan Air force base .I got my second Dan under him. Would go to his house all the time. He had a son back then

Dumb Username thank you for that insight, I truly appreciate it. Well Sosai Masutatsu Oyama, was Korean himself, as many people know. He studied Chinese Kenpo, while living in Northern China, on his sister's farm, then he went back to Korea and began studying Korean Kenpo. Once he went to Japan, he began studying Judo and boxing, then eventually Shotokan Karate, as well as Goju-Ryu Karate. No doubt he combined all these various elements, plus his own ideas to create Kyokushin Karate. What I found interesting is that Chuck Norris being a Tang Soo Do exponent himself, has created his own system, where he combines elements of Tang Soo Do itself, Kyokushin Karate, Ashihara Karate, Enshin Karate, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, as well as other elements from a few other styles. Ashihara Karate and Enshin Karate, are both of course styles that originated in our Kyokushin Karate style. What rank are you in Tang Soo Do, if you do not mind me asking? I am a third dan black belt in Kyokushin Karate, recently got promoted to that rank in September gone by, of this year. Thank you for your kind response, Osu! 👍 ☺ ✌

Dumb Username awesome my friend, well done on your achievements thus far in the art. I hope you will continue to progress and prosper in your Tang Soo Do training, Osu! 👍 ☺ ✌

Tang soo do and Taekwondo both are simply forms of Karate. All of the forms and techniques have their origin in Okinawa.

And both a from Shotokan

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That's awesome! There are still Tang Soo Do-based schools out there, I'm about 6 months away from my Black Belt test in TSD. You might want to check out a youtube channel called "Sensei Ichi", as Dennis Ichikawa trained with Chuck and Pat back in that same time period.

I trained at the Lakewood Karate Studio under Terry Updike and George Dolby before moved away.

Your reply demonstrates your ignorance of traditional Tang Soo Do. It’s a beautiful form and expression of balance power and timing. Grand Master Kim was a full contact Karatw champion showing the practical application and success of our art. Master Clark

I started taking TSD again a couple of months ago and I was in a different Federation as a kid, now the association that the school is in does things slightly different. There are some kicks instead of punches, and some of the techniques are more fluid as opposed to being a strike I think the fact that different instructors and grandmasters have interpreted some of these things differently or have adjusted them to make them their own is part of the reason why Things like you have mentioned happen.

1 year?

Yes it's strange that this vid stops at Naihanchi Cho Dan. I wonder if there is a Part 2 that I'm missing. I'll see if I can track it down.

@@MountainAdventures1 there is at least 1 more, but I believe that the there might be a total of 3 DVD's of the hyungs.

@@wendellbenedict4793 - CS Kim has 2 other DVD's on Tang Soo Do - you may find them 2nd hand, possibly new from Black Belt Magazine publications. I have them both.

Where did you learn? I am from India too.

In fact, the forms presented are much older than karate itself or Tang Soo Do. Each Art has appropriated and adapted its training reality.

that not what happen, karate, tang soo do as written in the old form mean china hand, plus shotokan is a deriviate of shito ryu

@@orencio1969 *shorin ryu

@@willgodwin02 same different look at who the founding master.

Who cares! Just train to the best of your abilities!

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It's my understanding that the Heian forms were derived from what we would call the Black Belt forms and created to more easily teach children techniques as well as safer by leaving out the deadly techniques.

Grand Master Kim preceded Grand Master YI here in America. I know as I trained under both of them and received my Black Belt from Kwan Chang Nim Yi. I never learned the forms of which you mention and I am today 51 years later a 5th degree Black Belt Master. Master Clark

I've studied quite a bit of Tang Soo Do history and have never come across any more Kicho Hyung than the first three. Originally, there were internal forms to complement the external forms (Tsan Tjin, Jun Jang, and Ssi San), but most schools have dropped those. In fact, in the "Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do History Video", we notice that Hwang Kee's black belts are only demonstrating the external forms. It is strange that this video stops at Hihanchi Cho Dan, not sure why it doesn't continue.

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@@MountainAdventures1 The forms in this video up to Nihanchi Cho Dan were what we had to learn as Gup members, as I recall. Dan members went further from there. This was under GM Drouillard in the early 1990s.

Because it is. Tang Soo Do got its forms from Shotokan. Some debate over how. Hwang Kee who founded the Moo Duk Kwan claims he learned them from a book on Japanese karate (most likely one one Gichin Funakoshi's). Before him, there was a guy named Won Kuk Lee who had studied Shotokan under Funakoshi in Japan and earned a fourth degree black belt. He returned to Korea prior to the end of WWII and began teaching Shotokan but under the name Tang Soo Do. In an interview Lee claimed that Hwang was a student of his. Hwang claimed he learned from a "master" in China and from the aforementioned book. Who's telling the truth? We'll never likely never know, both are dead.

The I Foot Pattern is same in Shin GoJu Ryu

Congrats! I know you'll come back up to speed in no time at all. We've had some retired black belts come back as their life situation allows them to get involved again, and it's just amazing how fast they re-familiarize themselves with everything. It shows how deeply this stuff gets embedded.

Mountain-Adventures it’s not easy either I have three more forms to learn then I’m done passi so and passi dae are really long forms that’s prolly going to take me the most time to relearn

brandy skarupa I am also coming back up to about that long! I learned from master Arnold Lee

@William Scurry I think TSD is a more straightforward version of Japanese Karate.

In fact, the forms presented are much older than karate itself or Tang Soo Do. Each Art has appropriated and adapted its training reality.

Cassity Davidson tang so do also pronounced dang soo do is a Korean martial art that was descended from Shotokan Karate Of course They wear the same outfit as taekwondo practitioners Because Korean martial arts uniforms are Doboks.

Phantom FOX or exactly same outfit. Dobok simply means uniform in Korean just as Gi does in Japanese. It’s very rare for a TKD practitioner to wear a crossover uniform line this. Most Taekwondo practitioners wear a pull over top that doesn’t tie. Tang Soo Do is typically seen with white top woth black trim. In some cases the pants can be black and higher Dan tanks can be black top as well. Some traditional versions of Taekwondo are similar to Tang Soo Do.

Lex has the right idea, but many are not aware that the amount of black trim on the top indicates Dan rank. Color belts will have an all white top, 1st Dan will have one edge trimmed in black, 2nd Dan will have 2 edges, etc... our Taekwondo school uses the crossover tops for our Doboks because we come from a Tang Soo Do background.

Mountain-Adventures well any schools can do as they wish of course but in all my experience I have never seen the amount of black trim representing the dan rank. I teach myself and in program black trim is black belt, that’s it. My practices from from American Tang Soo Do, or now what we call Chuck Norris System.

@@instructorlex8273 its not black its midnight blue

@Imtherealthing Agree. You can't catch a bladed weapon. I'm curious as to how you've been told to interpret that technique. We're taught to imagine taking/deflecting a strike from a blunt weapon like a bo or escrima with the fleshy part of the of the palm and then pulling the weapon from the attacker's hands at the same time you throw the side kick. I suppose it's better than taking the blow to the head, but I still think you'd get some hand bones broken.

@@shutiggyup7713 We interpret that as a reinforced palm block rather than an up-block. Both palms come together, one on top of the other, to block a straight punch. Agreed that the up-block there couldn't have been the original intent.

Name song?

Very bad!

We did our forms this way exactly