There is a difference between being a Hermes' leather expert and a leather expert. Clemence is Hermes branding of a leather that is basically a juvenile bullskin. Just like barenia is a special name for a type of leather. It doesn't mean that he doesn't know leather. I have friends in the industry and they are not going to be Hermes experts on Hermes special branding of their leather types. Its not like saying chevre, lambskin, etc. If you want to buy some similar leather you can search for taurillion, shrunken calf (if you want closer to togo).

Tanner is legit. He does NOT force his own products down your throat. He does not talk about his own company. I had to dig to find his website. The things he says I have learned studying bags for 30 years. He is right in his estimations on each bag he deconstructs.

Tanner with his 31 million+ views is disrupting the narrative of the Commissioned Luxury Influencer. Consumer's ultimately vote with their wallets, Luxury retailers selling to the masses is finally hitting a wall.

I love Tanners videos because they’re informative and he’s super laid back and not “extra”. Tanner is the reason I’ve sold my YSL and Gucci bags and I don’t regret it one bit. Social media has brainwashed people into thinking that luxury is the best in quality when in fact it’s not. Idc about a name, prestige or history of a brand because in reality all you’re paying for is a name! I will never fathom people paying 4-5 figures for a bag…it really is mental…

He’s deconstructing branded bags to see if the price we are willing to pay is really worth it. He always says that as long as we know what we are buying and happy paying with its asking price, then we are good. He’s not even promoting anything.

I think making an occasional mistake does not take away your expertise. He makes excellent, non-biased content, that is actually very insightful. Never felt pushed to buy anything from him. I like that he shows how the bags are made, and the amount of work that goes into each, then encourages you to decide what you want to do, depending on how much you value status that comes with a name brand. I also like that he reviews affordable items, and will tell you hey this is made really well, and this other thing is garbage. That is incredibly awesome. You make a few valid points but your dismissive attitude, petty comments, and eye rolling just come across as extremely unlikeable. Saying things like "i dont want to throw shade, he seems like a good family man, but maybe too perfect?" ...that IS shade, for no reason. Also, would you tell an art critic that because they can't paint, they can't recognize excellent artworks or techniques? That is a terrible argument.

I think people put too much faith in these luxury brands. Hermes, Chanel, etc etc are all selling an experience and not a quality product. I'll believe Tanner Leatherstein over ANY luxury brand ANY day.

See, i love, love classics with a quirk, but when she went through tanners video, she took what he said completely differently than i took it. Tanner says constantly that these brands have prestigious reputations to uphold, marketing, etc, and the logo is what you're paying for. He does give these brands props by stating that most use full grain beautiful leather. They just emboss the leather, which takes away from the natural feel and beauty. He also says he does these videos to promote other brands (such as polene, he raved about their leather) by saying if you just want a luxury material bag, go with xx brand if the logos arn't important to you. He already did an Hermès wallet, and he said/showed how amazing the leather was and how they were hardly corrected. He raved about bottega veneta as well (purple bag) but was not happy with a wallet. When it comes to us luxury lovers, i can see how some may get very offended or upset by what he's doing or saying and question what he's saying. You can believe what he's saying or not, but he definitely seems like someone (has even mentioned he's not really personally into luxury) he's not super knowledgeable about the brands themselves. He's just breaking these bags apart to see what their process is with the leather and if the leather is full grain/high quality. I've seen so many go after him, but at the end of the day, it's his opinion & i personally like how he is dissecting these bags to show us if they are even leather or not (ie bottega veneta wallet).

actually yes he does mention in almost every video that big brands put alot of money in marketing, stores rents, sale systems, heritage etc. and that is what we pay for. from what i see he respects the market system but just reminds people like me, since i once thought big brands use the best materials, now i know brands don’t have to use the best’ (will be corrected anyway) i am a bag lover myself , i bought a crossbody bag from them as a sample, truely good leather quality but not that user-friendly, since design is totally a different aspect. i appreciate his systematic shared knowledge on leather.

Oh please. Everyone is mad when someone exposes the quality versus the cost. Any well made bag can be repaired, that's not just a Hermes thing. A better question would be to ask why are these brands justifying spending thousands on marketing? It's capitalism. Plain and simple. If it were about practicality, aesthetics, or quality then Hermes couldn't stand up because other brands could do the same. You question his intentions but you're doing what you accuse him of. Be honest you don't wish him well.

Respectfully, put down the Koolaid. Hermes and other luxury leather brands do not have a monopoly on the best craftspeople and knowhow. I have seen exceptional leather workers in small unknown shops, and I have also seen utter crap coming out of the supposed top branded luxury leather stores in Paris, Milan and New York. The idea that there is special know-how that can't be replicated or is difficult to replicate by small workshops is untrue. High quality leather work is a very learnable trade, and the know-how is more a commodity than a trade secret. However, replicating these luxury brands and what they represent is very difficult. That's where lies the competitive advantage. And that advantage and intangible value -- and the status and trust it confers -- can usually be maintained unless a rarely occurring brand disruption takes place.

If you follow him you would know he himself admits he can’t make the Hermes bags (or anything as he’s more into the leather tanning side of things). He did an interview with Peter Nitz who has a leather atelier where they make gorgeous looking bags. Peter talks about Hermes bags because he was trained by a Hermes artisan and has another Hermes artisan now working for him. He talks about authenticating Hermes bags. This dude never claimed to make bags and openly says he doesn’t know much about making bags. Whether or not he knows leather I don’t know but that’s supposedly his thing so he’s analysing the quality of the leather, which is nice to know. I think all of us who are into luxury know that we’re not paying only for material and craftsmanship.

I'm slightly confused at the comment that the Evelyne is made in Clemence not Togo which is not true because the Evelyne has been made in both leathers

20:04 but he said in a few videos that the the price he estimated is only based on price of leather and craftsmanship and not on marketing and stores also his leather goods have a leather with a lot more natural characteristics which a lot of people enjoy

There are definitely authentic Evelyns made from togo leather. It is difficult to tell the difference between the two leathers on a bag that small. It is usually when you get up to B30 size or larger, where you can clearly feel the weight of clemence. Togo and clemence are bull leather: togo is from a mature bull, clemence is from a younger bull. Togo leather is usually 'tight' with smaller grains but there are also togo leathers with the larger grains, softness and slouch of clemence. There are also some clemence leathers with veining if the younger bull was more bigger. Some SAs can't even tell the difference depending on the particular hide that is available that year.

Hello Dacob. :) Kelly is a practical bag? :D It's actually the most unpractical bag. You need to carry it by its handle thus you cannot use one of your hands and your hand hurts. If you carry it on your shoulder with the strap, it's very ugly. And you need half an hour to open it and to close it. Luxury is convenience, and Kelly is not convenient at all. People suffer with that bag. :D

I never got the sense that id buy anything else after he dissects an item

So he has a podcast, and he goes over his background, he does have a legit leather background, but since he has his own company producing leather goods, so he is going to have a bias, I watch all his videos because he is taking apart a bag. I am always surprised at how bags are made.

It’s like buying Starbucks, people know it’s overprotective but they still buy it.

I have found some brands that use the highest quality leather sourced from American cattle and bison made in American tanneries and put together perfect - now I cannot bring myself to buy designer brands - I know it costs them billions to build up their brand and rent their beautiful stores, etc. - but I dont really care - all I care about is the hard earned dollars that I spend. I guess as I have gotten older I really do not care to impress anyone - I can buy anything I want so I just buy for quality.

There is Evelyn in togo. Bought it in Christie. No way in hell Christie sold fake item.

The main issue is that there are top quality products that are fugly & poor quality products that are beautifully designed - true luxury products should be top quality + beautifully designed. Unfortunately many brands are now selling items that are worse quality than their replicas - so that eradicates their investment value & encourages the replica market - which in turn further lowers the scarcity & prestige through mass conspicuous consumption by the trashy peasants - LV & Chanel being great examples...

What is your point? Get to point. What are u trying to say about Tanner

Thanks for bringing up that the shapes of the bags can’t be copy written. I’ve often mentioned how Hermés did not invent the shape of the Kelly. If you are familiar with bags from the late ‘40’s and ‘50’s, you know that this shape was popular at that time. Hermés has managed to make this shape timeless. There’s something to be said about that.

I find him so entertaining and insightful regarding of Prada all major mainstream luxury brands. Personally I don’t think Hermes is that amazing. I doubt they pay their “artisans” well.

He knows more than most. He has nothing to prove.

The real real have authentication… I’m sure that mistakes happen but if it is that close that authentication experts aren’t able to see the difference then designers are doomed . It is funny that ppl assume they sell fakes 🙄

Hermes said girl don't come for me.

I agree that Tanner doesn’t account for the costs of designing goods to fit a specific lifestyle. I do like how he brings more awareness what you’re spending your money on, which is important when you’re spending thousands of dollars on designer goods. So now when I buy designer bags I make sure I truly love the design and try my best to ensure it’s made of quality materials. If I don’t love it without the logo, it’s not for me.

He actually mentioned about marketing, etc

You mean the RealReal is actually FakeFake?????!!!! 😮 Allegedly. 😊

I would honestly respect these luxury brands if they brought their collections down to two shows a year and they give us quality products worth purchasing, they could honestly keep their prices down because they’re not trying to do so many fashion shows and collections etc. and it would create more demand. Because once it sells out you have to wait till the next collection and now you’re really excited to see what they’re going to bring out next. And even creating a line and saying we only made 1000 of these bags then you can charge a lot of money and have that exclusivity. But that’s just my theory

Yes I mean it is not a surprise or new to us that luxury bags are overpriced 😂 He is just telling people who are fed up with the luxury brands that it’s all not worth it. At the end of the day everyone knows everything is overpriced but we also know this is not just about leather quality or stitching but those brands are also selling dreams 😏

Ahhh Dacob I was looking for this on the live. Thank you!😊

He is right as poor quality leather is given to customer and customer build their brand .

Of course we are all angry at the luxury brand’s prices darling. Dropping 15k is not a lot for me but I’m done with the game and getting bad quality items. I’m moving to replicas like all my rich lady friends.

All great points. People that are complaining about the prices are jealous because they can't afford it. I can't afford it right now but I'm not mad. I want some. ❤

I’m so glad you took the time to make this video Dacob, I follow Tanner and I do enjoy his video’s, i anyhow don’t like his products, but that’s beside the point, he dissect store bought items and tries to debunk the cost and reveal the quality or the lack of…when it comes to quality I sure trust him. Cost of manufacturing on the other hand is so complex that it’s different for each brand, and each factory and also manufacturing costs have very little to do with retail prices, me working in the fashion industry and also earning my degrees in fashion related studies that’s the first thing I’ve learnt. Going back to Tanner, he has made a video mentioning the boutique locations and the cost of the experience, but he targets clients who have no appreciation of “luxury” period. Still every time he touches Hermes he mentions the simple construction but always calls out the highest quality, most amazing leather and the highest level of craftsmanship regardless of belittling the complexity of the design. I will never budge on my respect for Hermes as a brand for the simple reason: they will rather have empty shelves and no online inventory than compromising the quality of their products. They operate their own workshops, train their own employees regardless of experience, so they can provide customers with the quality they built their brand on, and what is expected from them. Hermes prices are on par with many if not most of the high fashion and heritage designer brands, yet Hermes is the only one I never had a problem with, and I have never received a compliment on an unidentifiable unbranded leather good until I purchased the Hermes Apple Watch (dumb purchase but that’s another topic) but the barenia leather watchband had people stopping me to ask where it’s from because it’s beautiful, and that in itself speaks volumes of Hermes leather. Also fun fact: while watching your video I went on the realreal and there are so many Togo evelyne bags, I gonna reach out to my salesperson at Hermès just to hear what she got to say 😂 Thanks for a video where you said everything that most of us been thinking. ❤

Just because Hermes made up a fancy name for the leather they use doesn’t mean people can’t see the actual leather for what it is. If you serve me chocolate and call it something else I’ll still be able to tell it’s chocolate and judge how it tastes.

why are people coming for Dacob? His two-cents is very welcomed in this video and I love how he gives his opinion without being "extra". love your content. sorry I followed you so late in the game. Im playing catch up with all your videos... Im now in 2023 Dacob youtube era. haha

this is a gossip awful video. Tanner does wonderful videos and he is an expert, 'gorl'

I love his brand Pegai “dopp kit” model❤

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None of the bags are worth it we just appreciate his content so we understand what we are buying

I visited the online shop of Tanner and I wasn't impressed by the products. They seemed alright but not my cup of tea. They lacked luxury in my eyes. He's not entirely wrong with the point he's trying to make but I agree that you're not paying for just the product when you're buying from a big brand. Personally I can't justify to myself a bag that's more than 1000€. There are luxury brands with comparable quality to that of a big brand but in lower price range. There's a tradeoff to be made, price vs brand recognition.

There are plenty of vintage Evelynes for sale in Togo (including on Sotheby's). Are you telling us they are all fake?? Maybe you should have done some research.

Thank you for opening up my eyes. I went to his website to see the bags he sells, and it doesn’t mention where they are Made. But I did notice that he prices the bags he destroys within the price range of the bags he sells. However, the quality of his product does not look similar to the bags he destroys. I’m not justifying the price of the bags he destroys-they can be less expensive and still make a significant profit. But if everyone had it, no one would want it because it wouldn’t be as remarkable. That said, some prices are ridiculously expensive-$30,000 for a bag. And I understand why some people may be angry about the price since it’s just not attainable for most people-$10,000 or more for a bag is pretty outrageous. Then they see people buying multiple 10,000k plus bags through social media. That’s why more individuals fake their wealth, companies have started restricting returns, and people are buying replicas. Plus, some companies have done something similar in the past, but instead of pricing their items high for only wealthy individuals-companies have only wanted certain people in their clothing-thin and beautiful.

I generally believe him but as a KZfaqr assume he embellishes specifics sometimes, for entertainment.

"Ouch or Amen ", are the only replies warranted after Tanner's reviews. He dissects leather bags but you'e discrediting the RealReal.

I realise the blogger is American, but he should be aware that fascination’ is an absolute, you are not ‘ quite’ or ‘very’ fascinated, you are simply fascinated. I do not understand what algorithm brings these puerile videos in my orbit .

Dacob, very thoughtful video!

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OMG! I always learn a lot with your videos, Dacob. Thank you for the conversation 😊

This was the first video of yours that I’ve ever seen and I loved it. I love your skepticism and critical thinking. Thanks for sharing

I saw an authentic Evelyn hermes bag online

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Thanks for this my love, I didn’t know about him. 🙏🏼😘😘😘Sandy

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One thing that is important to remember with mainstream luxury brands as opposed to independent craftsmen is the service you get. When you buy something from LV, Hermes, or Chanel and you have a problem with it, you can take it to any of their hundreds of stores worldwide and they will take care of you. When you buy from small, independent brands, it is more difficult to get service or repairs in case something goes wrong. Especially for people who don't live in major cities, the service/repair aspect is a very important consideration when buying luxury.

I’m in agreement with you. I do occasionally watch him, specifically for entertainment! Who doesn’t dream of ripping one of our bags apart to see how they’re made. It’s like the gentleman who cuts shoes in half to see their construction. I’ve learned quite a bit from both of them on bag and shoe assembly. As for the ‘down with luxury’ comments that are posted, it’s basically people showing their frustrations - they would like to have those items but for what ever reason cannot justify the purchase. If your budget is Coach, that’s wonderful…if its LV, that’s wonderful too!

You are just funny

They re both taurillon 😂 so if doesnt effect is ability just because a brand give names on is leather it still a taurillon leather with a medium grain, for an craft man doesnt change anything

Tanner is legit

What Tanner continually fails to see is that what something is "worth" is simply and entirely what people are willing to pay. It's not a bare formula of the combined cost of labor and goods, nor is it even the label. An antique baseball card is nothing but OLD ink and paper with the labor cost meaningless in 2023, overall virtually "worthless" -- but it could go for a thousand dollars because it's worth that much to people who prize such things.

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I think the real real gave a wrong description. I saw the clip and immediately noticed that it’s not Togo leather as the leather is smoother so it should be clemence. But then it tells us that this guy don’t know hermes leather.

Classics With a Quirk warned us . 🤐 Also, Him reaching out to Hermes via phone says a lot… is he REALLY knowledgeable about these luxury houses? 😂

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Here we are over a year later and still people come to this comment section defending Tanner when it is obvious what he has been doing all along which is marketing for his brand and this is what Dacob was trying to tell us but of course everyone defends Tanner cause he has to be honest, right? Nobody putting down another brand while selling their own is honest.....wake up people!

You dissecting this situation… ❤ the analysis of the omnipresent and oh so powerful marketing darling

I don’t think leather specialists know that much about Hermes or to know that they have multiple leathers.

Dacob, on second view and since we were on the subject of research, I looked him up, reading some articles back in 2021 including one from FT. His creds seem to speak something but what I took away is that he did not hide that he was hoping that this increased viewer/ follower base “might build interest in his own brand”. So your suspicion has been confirmed. Still does not change my stance that his marketing strategy does not make me want to buy his leather goods. I also looked into the IG post and comments (the very slow sleuth that I am lol😅). I think that right now he may be in the process of having his Hermes bag authenticated (I understood his response to mean that this has not been authenticated yet ; he said they will look into it) and for all we know, he’s going to end up claiming a refund from the RealReal (is that allowed? I don’t know). So we may all have to wait a bit longer before that axe falls into the poor Evelyne’s bag. 😉

What I find annoying about Tanner is the stupidity of his calculations. Material plus wage for the worker is how he calculates the worth of a bag. Running a business requires much more than that. I also don't trust his knowledge about the prices of leather and hardware. Tanner seems to be an experienced cobbler though. So I do trust his judgement about how well a bag is crafted.

People would do anything for money… I guess he just wanted the views and forgot to do his research…

I really think you just have to take it for what it is. I watched his videos for quite some time. He seems like a kind person. I purchased his long wallet made of quilted lambskin that he touted as being just as good as Chanel, and i have to say that I was not really impressed with the leather. The craftsmanship was pretty good, and there was beautiful sections of leather on the inside. However, the lambskin leather on the outside overall felt dry, looked matte and did not feel luxurious, nothing compared to Chanel. I think that definitely taught me not to trust anyone automatically, even if it seems like they know what they're talking about. Everyone is trying to make a living. I have also promised myself that I will never purchase anything that an influencer has been sponsored for.

Thank you for this video Dacob! I agree with your thoughts. I watched a few of Tanner’s videos and felt they where missing the points that you brought up: A luxury handbag is more than just the materials is made of. There’s the design, training, marketing, years and years to build up a reputation etc. I also felt a lot of resentment from those who commented on his videos. Unnecessary negativity…Ultimately nobody forces anyone to buy from a luxury brand.

Technically for all reviews, items should be purchased directly or from authorized resellers. So Tanner reviewed a non-authorized retailer, and that is a different category.

The Real Real 😂😂😂 Mon dieu 🤣🤣🤣

I've watched his videos and I am always baffled at his disrespect of other people's work. Just because he charges $0.50 for per hour for his labour doesn't mean that is the rate that others charge. If you think a product is "overpriced" you are not the target customer. Luxury goods are no one's birthright. People feel that they are entitled to own these brands and will buy fakes to pretend to be in the economic sphere to be seen with what appears to be such goods. But who are you kidding, you know you are a fraud when you are buy a fake of a product beyond your means. People being vexed at the prices of luxury purses shows how screwed up people are.

Thank you for opening my eyes. He does fall to mention everything is stated location of the boutiques, marketing website, engineers, photographers employees, wages, benefits, packaging, shipping, Designers, etc. I looked into his company that makes bangs, and they don’t say where they’re made, and the quality is not as excellent as some of these bags are destroyed. I’m not justifying the price of those bags. They could be cheaper, and they could make less of a profit, but he’s comparing apples to oranges.

If I’m buying luxury I like to be romanced about the product, I don’t want to hear about the factories, all the details how they’re made!

The critical thinking comment is so beyond true! 💯

It's this video that made me subscribe 💯 #criticalthinking

I’m obsessed with your Chanel Dacob! Lol you have the JUICIEST content in the fashion industry. I’ve learned SO much in such a short time. Love it! ❤

‘Applause applause’ for YOU, such a great video again! I saw his video just this morning by accident and skipped when I saw the bag is from the real real. Now watching yours, we love your analysis ❤️

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I really appreciate your objectivity here Dacob. The way you discussed this topic - about him - is rooted in your own research, which you also shared with us and that helped us understand your thought process. Love this!! ❤

Wow thx Dacob I thought Tanner is a honest guy 😅

YES. always gets my bullshit radar everytime they talk badly about other oroducts and then PUSH their own

I totally agree with that comment. This guy probably has developed an interest in leather and is now trying to come off like an expert in everything leather. In reality, he just did basic research and had funds to develop a leather goods business. He does not seem to have a long history in the field so it confuses me why people take his word for anything. Anyone can go on the internet and say/ do whatever they want. At the end of the day, we as consumers should determine for ourselves, if an item is “worth it”. Now for my honest personal opinion, I’ve seen his products and they lack any interest in design. They are either boring or copy another brands style. I see leatherwork as a type of art and he really lacks any creativity that would make me want to purchase from him. I won’t purchase something just cause it’s a luxury item they have to catch my eye. To each their own but don’t tell me what not to buy lol

Omg, you are soooo right about this guy!!! And he says that the audience wants to hear. It is funny though how people can build their social media on only 1 very primitive thesis such as PRODUCTION cost of luxury goods is much lower than the price. Lol P.S. same thoughts when I saw him announcing TOGO Evelyne😀

Dacob, you’re very likable! No need to work on it. Haters will be haters.

Critical thinking is not valued across society these days, nor is it taught in schools. It’s a shame. Yes I’ve noticed that almost everyone under his comments are vindictively angry at luxury brands. When I first saw them I commented back a few times abt luxury being ore than “that” or production pricing varying across the globe, etc… BUT, quickly realized it was obvs. pointless… I, as we all did, also IMMEDIATELY saw through the raw materials/cost estimates, bc ANYONE with any analytical ability and/or knowledge of merchandising, particularly fashion merchandising, would know that brand don’t just base prices on raw materials and hours of craftsmanship… but at the very least, marketing/promotions, stores, staff, websites etc. The fact that ppl don’t think further into pricing past what points he talks abt is almost astounding, smh 🤦‍♀️

Yes Dacob, you're 100% on the money. Well done❤

Yea I often think when I see his vids that he does VERY little research. Inadequate