Just another day in the garage. Needed some tooling arbors for the new mill, decided to make my own. 3 end mill holders and 1 slitting saw arbor -- 30 taper in this case.
Пікірлер: 570
@UdiIsReal4 жыл бұрын
11:40 broke 40 bucks in drills and time spent in order to save on buying a 40 dollar piece. Would totally do the same.
@jerryjantola3 жыл бұрын
You just can't buy the satisfaction of holding what you need in your hand without having to grind your teeth for a week waiting for it to arrive. I mean, you can, but have you seen what they charge for express delivery I mean goddamn
@UdiIsReal3 жыл бұрын
@@jerryjantola of course, you work for a week to make the part but that does not matter goddamit
@GibsnRage3 жыл бұрын
I am loving going through all the old "This Old Tony" videos, and catching up with where you came from as a machinist, knowing roughly how far you've come. It is going to be a sad day when I get through the rest of your library (I predict 1 week tops,) and have to wait for a new video.
@jordanmertz59722 жыл бұрын
Rewatchability is high
@RileyKnifeandTool8 жыл бұрын
The DI running in towards the slitting saw gave me quite a chuckle. Great vid!
@rparker0697 жыл бұрын
if you turn chromoly again the best solution is to use, and I'm sure you as an engineer understand this term, "a metric assload" of coolant
@MrUbiquitousTech6 жыл бұрын
An Imperial Assload is more rigid and last much longer.
@wupme6 жыл бұрын
An assload is not enough. You are supposed to use at least a metrical fuckton
@tomharrell19546 жыл бұрын
I really think it calls for a shitload of coolant
@joandar16 жыл бұрын
Just needs some cool soothing LUBE by the ASSLOAD. That should take away the pain. John, Australia.
@brodiesmith44195 жыл бұрын
@@joandar1 as an Australian after last week we could ALL use an assload of cooling
@arnljotseem87947 жыл бұрын
Revisiting this vid, cause i need to make some ISO 30 holder as well Wow, like your brass-hammer-drawbar-wrench combo
@63256325N5 жыл бұрын
Great job! Love the indicator bit at the end! Know know where to tune when I'm feeling blue and need a laugh, thanks so much for taking the time to put these videos together and adding that comic flare!
@calebgrefe89224 жыл бұрын
Your so hard on yourself. So far as i can tell, you're an incredible machinist! You should be proud.
@SuperBowser878 жыл бұрын
my grandfather was a machinist for the L&N railroad here in Louisville. I like watching guys like you to learn about his job. fascinating! I always thought he was a mean old fart but I assume he had great talent. was a machinist for 40 plus years. thanks for your time and effort.
@UncleKennysPlace5 жыл бұрын
When we needed to "hack" a piece of custom tooling, we cut the taper, put it in the machine for which it was destined, and used tool holders on that machine to finish it. Concentricity was guaranteed (if you bolted down your tooling properly!)
@Loebane4 жыл бұрын
That's what I was thinking.
@zbnmth4 жыл бұрын
Looking for this comment, glad it was made.
@millomweb3 жыл бұрын
Too much common sense in that. I did think that on making the taper & fitting it with draw bar - then hammering it home to make it a good fit. Then loosening the draw bar, tapping the taper loose and then retightening the draw bar to a normal amount and calling that 'it' for fit - then machining the business end. Thus ensuring the taper is well fitting prior to machining the business end. It's a pity those international tapers have 2 drive dogs. 1 would be better as that'd guarantee refitipeatability orientation.
@jonathanshaw67843 жыл бұрын
@@millomweb you could mark one dog and one side of each toolholder
@millomweb3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanshaw6784 When I get power to my mill, that's my intention.
@terapode8 жыл бұрын
Your videos are very entertaining. I work with metal cutting since I graduated in highschool twenty-five years ago and still love working with these machines. The Schaublin milling is a yet-to-be-true dream at least for me.
@SquirrelFromGradLife7 жыл бұрын
I like the parts with using a drill for the automatic feed...
@Anvilshock6 жыл бұрын
Using tools to make tools ... I don't know why but watching it is absurdly captivating. Thanks for the videos!
@zumwild7 жыл бұрын
Love this video. Also the overarm support, the tool post, these are my favorites. Your stuff on carbide is icing on the cake. Thanks again Tony!
@JohnDoe-ot7wv7 жыл бұрын
The clamp from the V-block "Gave up the goast"... I love ur vids, so keep on with ur good explanations and work.
@avrazero19753 жыл бұрын
this is the kid of quality content that we need on youtube and TV. I hope you'll keep making interresting videos like this. An hello from France.
@jeffreypfeifer8628 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tony for sharing this project! I've got an NMTB-30 Wells-Index that I need to make some holders for. This answers some of my discovery questions.... :)
@leec21064 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos, glad to see someone else making his own tools. My dad was making a really heavy-duty drill press using an automotive transmission, it was huge. Unfortunately he passed away back in 1996 before it was done. Family wanted the money and could not see letting me run it in his name. Now that it is 2020 I have a mini engraving machine not large only 300 * 180 * 45 mm it is a steep learning curve converting. AutoCAD drawings to CAM g-code
@armdaMan7 жыл бұрын
Hello there Tony from deep down across the Pond !!! Like the style of Your Videos. No long drawn out delayed Turning Cutting runs. Explanations given. Set up shown. Run executed. Job done. Cool. Keep 'em rolling And Thanks for showing and sharing. All the best aRM
@artemiasalina18608 жыл бұрын
Running out the cross-slide to prevent crashes is a good idea! Nice job on the tooling.
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+ArtemiaSalina Thanks Artemia!
@bulletproofpepper28 жыл бұрын
That's the best slitting saw I have seen ever much less shop made!! Great work, great video.
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sam, so far so good.
@me33337 жыл бұрын
That's the truest running slitting saw I have seen yet!
@zidwid8 жыл бұрын
As always, amazing work and great humor.
@nathanmeier29087 жыл бұрын
awesome info.... thank you. love your channel and the work you do
@ashwatson21426 жыл бұрын
Man, I wish I kept up metalwork and engineering. I also wish I had room and money for a machine shop. Making your own tools is the most satisfying thing I can think of
@genericgaming94607 жыл бұрын
I love how you try to save every one time by speeding up stuff as small as moving something small around
@dammitcoetzee8 жыл бұрын
I'll admit. I panicked a bit at the end.
@turningpoint66438 жыл бұрын
+DammitCoetzee Yeah he got me as well when I saw that saw feeding towards the indicator.
@Cheepshooter148 жыл бұрын
Haha
@rexhaereticus24687 жыл бұрын
yeah, i cringed.
@hyperhektor77335 жыл бұрын
its possible to use a rotating ball bearing insert for the inditaor tool. (or a Diy might be cheaper)
@MrZhefish5 жыл бұрын
u are not alone
@kimbye15 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you break out the Pratt Burnerd KC15. I have one myself and I love it
@smithbuilt4 жыл бұрын
I just got one today.... very happy boy
@wrongfullyaccused7139 Жыл бұрын
I have truly enjoyed your videos and have learned a good bit from them. I enjoy your humor and the fact that you are not afraid to show when things go south. Regarding cold bluing of parts. I have done quite a bit of gun smithing and I learned a very simple trick to make cold bluing more effective. Try warming the part up a bit above room temperature. Not enough to effect the grain structure, just enough to make the solution bite deeper. You are spot on about the cleanliness though. Cold bluing solutions are so touchy. Your work looks great. Stay safe and have fun.
@rosshayes96398 жыл бұрын
Hi Tony, i work chrome-moly steels alot for my work mostly 4140. to get it to chip well you need a pretty aggresive feed 0.2-0.3mm/rev with that feed and a decent chipbreaker it should come off nicely. even taking inly a few mms of the diameter.
@PeteBrubaker7 жыл бұрын
Yup, this. Also, coolant, even mist coolant helps a ton. I have a feeling it was work hardening on him.
@BillyTpower8 жыл бұрын
Great vid Tony. I use one of those tapping heads, they can be finicky to set up the correct clutch pressure but generally I give them a solid 7
@josh1804josh8 жыл бұрын
Great video. Always excited to see your content on my feed! Keep it up brother
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+Josh Gallant Thanks Josh!
@kylehall91804 жыл бұрын
Wonderful detail explanation and display thank you sir you are a gentlemen and a scholar.
@tomharrell19546 жыл бұрын
I cant believe you are howling about the cold blue process. You are getting great results for cold blue.
@650Lester6 жыл бұрын
HUGE insperation, I just made two ISO 30 end mill holders.... 20mm and 25mm inspried by your video.I didn't have a collet big enough to fit the outside OD of the business end of the tool holder so I had to turn an arbor, first 25mm, then took it down to 20mm. I nice snugg fit and set scerws for secruring. they ran true and worked out well with light cuts... 1mm roughing, 0.25 final cuts.Thanks for the ver very cool videos that beginners, homeshop guys and pros can enjoy
@priitmolder64753 жыл бұрын
Re-watching everything from ToT for 2020 Christmas present...thank god I have a stable job
@LarsBerntzon7 жыл бұрын
your videos are really great. And fun, that subtile humor of yours is just so good.
@stomp16918 жыл бұрын
Ave used a carbide die grinder bit to cut out a broken tap, that may work for that drill bit. Your videos are really helpful thanks for putting in the effort.
@chuirios3652 жыл бұрын
Nice work Tony!👍
@sweetpeaz615 жыл бұрын
As someone in the comments said below, for this type of material a lot of coolant helps and if you want it to chip reduce the rpm..you will find a sweetspot where it chips nicely..i use this material a lot making half shafts for vintage cars..its an excellent choice for your application.
@MyShopNotes8 жыл бұрын
Nice job Tony. Enjoyed, thanks for sharing.
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+Steve S Thanks for watching Steve!
@octaneobsessions15856 жыл бұрын
Love this stuff! That's old Tony!
@wilsonocasio88846 жыл бұрын
Lathe can smell fear...😂😂😂😂🙀👨🏻🔧😜. Tony, I’m not watching tv anymore thanks to you!!! Your hilarious 😆!
@elitearbor6 жыл бұрын
Just about hurt myself laughing at the end, there. Thanks for the day-brightener!
@FlyingAceAV8B3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I learned a lot.
@PatrickJoergensen8 жыл бұрын
I've worked with 50CrMo4 a couple of times, and the experience I've had with it, on the lathe that I usually use (can't remember the model), is that to get the chips to break, I have to take very deep cuts and just 'force' the tool against the material. 2mm depth of cuts always seem to make those irritating meals of spaghetti-metal, but as soon as I change it to 3+mm it starts to break nicely at a feedrate of 0.2-0.3mm/rpm and letting my insert get a longer life, though I don't know whether your lathe would have the power to do that :) As for coolant, I use a lot of it when working with this material (but as a trainee-machinist I'm not sure whether I should do that, or just wait and let it cool off on it's own like I usually do with regular steel-types). You are right though, it gets hot as hell :P Greetings from Denmark :b
@anthonymatsushino69977 жыл бұрын
for milling slots you could have threaded a bolt in the end of part and indicated off of the flats.
@longrangesweden8 жыл бұрын
Great video, well produced as always!
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+LongrangeSweden I appreciate you taking the time to watch Longrange!
@TomZelickman8 жыл бұрын
Great job, Tony! I really like that you're making the tools yourself rather than buying them all.Sincerely,Tom Z
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+Tom Zelickman (Inspiration Metalworks) Thanks Tom.. most of what my garage does is make tools for itself :)
@lucianonarno14085 жыл бұрын
I screamed loudly at that slitting saw vs the dial indicator. I’ll send you the invoice for the pants cleaner, tony.
@ThomasMuller-lj1zk3 жыл бұрын
The Saw Blade Wobbling a little bit. The Joke was so Funny
@donrobinson18567 жыл бұрын
Thanks for great video. Btw Behind the lath chuck there is a mores tapper throat to match tapered surfaces with machine surfaces.
@WobblycogsUk8 жыл бұрын
Probably a bit late now but I was wondering if you could just press that broken drill bit out? I'm sure it's well and truly jammed in there but I'd be surprised if it was 25 tons of jammed in.
@markkalsbeek58836 жыл бұрын
Ain't gonna happen, the Ultimate shear strength of 4145-ChroMoly is about 660 MPa. Assuming that the drill has fused on both sides a good 50 mm in and that it's width is 5 mm the force before it gives is 330 kN, or about 34 metric tons. ChroMoly is hardcore stuff. Material Properties: www.makeitfrom.com/material-properties/SAE-AISI-4145-SCM445-G41450-Cr-Mo-Steel
@jeremyhanna38526 жыл бұрын
I'm still will to bet with a good hyper therm or similar plasma u could cut that bit in half right between the flutes chisel out what's left done this a few times on broken taps
@DieselRamcharger6 жыл бұрын
the drill isn't fused, it galled.
@millomweb3 жыл бұрын
Give it to an astronaut, ask them to take it to the International Space Station and then throw it back to Earth. The impact just may loosen that drill.
@manputty9333 жыл бұрын
@@millomweb if that fails, apply WD-40 and attempt again. repeat until success, or catastrophic destruction of both the part and the surrounding 10 kilometers of terrestrial landmass.
@dennisjohnston27427 жыл бұрын
Your videos are the best love to do something like that some day
@andypughtube6 жыл бұрын
I make a fair bit of my own taper tooling. My mill has a 30INT horizontal spindle, but I converted the vertical to a pneumatic drawbar and that is BT30. (The tapers are, conveniently, identical). My approach has been to make a sleeve for the spindle taper that accepts the 7/24 taper of either tooling. I first made a tapered bush to match the lathe spindle internal taper . (it is almost, but not quite MT4.5, but conveniently self-locking) then in-situ bored that to take my mill tooling tapers. (and marked the point adjacent to peg 1 of the D1-4. You could reference to the key of the L0 on the Student.) That means I can cut the taper as the first op and then pull the tooling back into the lathe spindle with a drawbar and be reasonably confident that it will run true in use.
@BuildSomthingCool8 жыл бұрын
Great VIDEO!!!!
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+Metal Tips and Tricks (Dale Derry) Thanks Dale, appreciate it!
@pjhalchemy8 жыл бұрын
Many Thanks Tony. Great video and editing. Like the PIP inset and how you blasted through the repetitive stuff. Learn a lot from this one, mainly about not being afraid to cut taper tooling. Just worked my first 4140 and was please with the result on my wanna be peanut...That Moly looked like hot cream cheese coming off but was pretty recognizable as medusa razor wire with a bit of color. ~¿@ Your saw was amazingly straight so your tapers and concentricity must have been on the money! Beauty in metal work! Thanks for the hoot at the end. Great builds and Edutainment!! ~PJ
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+pjsalchemy Thanks PJ!
@KnolltopFarms8 жыл бұрын
Another great video, Thanks Tony!
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+Knolltop Farms Thanks Knolltop!
@JB-ol4vz3 жыл бұрын
Dang it TOT! I hate the way everything in machining is so easy when you do it. Thanks master from Swe, I'm learnings so mutch from your vids.
@godssoldier1018 жыл бұрын
i wish you made 1 vid a day.... i love watching your shit
@byrysh6 жыл бұрын
if you dropped the "r" off 'your' that would be a really wierd comment.
@zososldier7 жыл бұрын
Hey Tony, For stuff like flipping those for notching in the mill, I have seen guys that make exhaust collectors with multiple pie cuts use those magnetic dial angle finders when cutting pipe. Basically take some putty, glob it on the back of the dial then shove it on the end of the thing you wanna rotate, un clamp, spin, dial in to +/- a degree. You might even be able to use one of those magnetic digital angle finders (don't know if they work up side down).
@TheStuartYork7 жыл бұрын
very informative and entertaining video. Thank you. I like the look of your Rohm mill vice. Your video of the vertex 4" import vice gave me the confidence to buy one, how about a compare and contrast video of the two vices?
@izuzan74198 жыл бұрын
Know whats really fun with Chrome moly, contouring a 30" bbl between centers on a lathe :) The chatter and vibration is insane.
@machineability8 жыл бұрын
Great sense of humor. You get right to the point. None of the typical "Welcome to blah....blah...today we are going to...blah...but first I have 57 things I want to .....blah....." click, next video. I actually watched the whole thing and subscribed. Nice work on both the tool and the video!
@Fender9s8 жыл бұрын
Great video again! I admire your can do it attitude and humour. Please keep up the good work. Currently making a fixed gantry CNC inspired by your build. Would like to see more on the gantry and any modifications you would make to it, now you had some time to get to know each other....
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+ReP_Al Thanks Rep! Be sure to share your CNC build and good luck. Only thing I'd change is probably make it a little smaller. My eyes were bigger than my stomach.
@vanguardcycle8 жыл бұрын
i cut a fair amount of tapers and have never considered using a drill motor to power the compound, that's genius!!!!!
@rexhaereticus24687 жыл бұрын
nice power feed attachment. i now have another use for my makita drill.
@TSulemanW7 жыл бұрын
great job and talent
@danj73484 жыл бұрын
Nice, free tinsel for Christmas decoration!
@tombellus89868 жыл бұрын
Great tooling build enjoyed the video thanks
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+Tom Bellus Thank you.
@marinijaish4 жыл бұрын
Love to watch your progres
@StefanGotteswinter8 жыл бұрын
Good one! I am just about to turn a bit more Morsetapertooling - You got me motivated ;)
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+Stefan Gotteswinter Morse taper I've always found to be a bit trickier.. those are self locking, mine are not. I'd recommend against using wood though, the blueing always turns out so weird. ;)
@turningpoint66438 жыл бұрын
+This Old Tony LOL
@ken4819595 жыл бұрын
Hey, TOT, I'm kind of surprised that you don't have a spark eroder for broken taps, bolts, and drill bits. They sell them fairly inexpensively through several companies, or there are plans for them online.
@sdjb1118 жыл бұрын
Very cool, Nice job my man.
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+sdjb111 Thanks!
@alexrich73868 жыл бұрын
great video, I'm always amazed at how much patience you have. this work is incredibly tedious, but rewarding and fun. The best part is watching your process for measuring and setting things up to get really precise parts. Amazing work.
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+alex rich Thanks Alex. Glad to have you watching.
@dougbourdo25898 жыл бұрын
always amazing
@JeffreyVastine8 жыл бұрын
Nice work Tony!
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+Jeffrey Vastine Why thank you!
@andrewwilson83178 жыл бұрын
Very impressive work mate,inspiring. I made some tooling myself in 30 taper for my Elliott Milmor Super 16. I got around the concentricity issue by making a 30 taper tool holder for the spindle of my lathe. Was quite a lot of work but means I can guarantee concentric tooling every time. I made a draw bar to suit and it works well. As an asides it also means I can use my 30 taper tooling in my lathe should I want to do some milling or boring in the lathe. Really appreciate you videos mate.
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+Andrew Wilson Thanks Andrew. I actually had the same though, make a 'receiver' for the lathe, but I don't have small enough tooling to get down into the small end of that female taper. I bet that holder comes in handy / convenient though.
@mljsthompson5 жыл бұрын
About 40 or 50 years ago I used to work in the Bath Iron Works and they used to blow out broken taps with a gouger
@DownButNotOutYet8 жыл бұрын
Rofl, that end bit with the indicator on the saw blade edge checking "run out".
@mohamedtarekzayan7476 жыл бұрын
amazing job wow
@Cancun7717 жыл бұрын
Also Tony please maybe do a little episode about these milling inserts one of these days!
@abrahamd2k5 жыл бұрын
Nice wood shelf.
@mikewalton54697 жыл бұрын
great stuff tony!
@fimbles10155 жыл бұрын
Holy moly as a new this old tony sub I never knew this old tony made old videos as well as new videos. He really is old.
@telesniper28 жыл бұрын
I like the sped up video --- reminds me of the demo vids you see for all the chintzy CNC equipment heh
@ScottSenkeresty4 жыл бұрын
Hi! This is the year 2020 calling (not a good year btw) - and the end of the video LITERALLY made my heart jump. Thanks 2016!
@paulhermanek96474 жыл бұрын
I had thought of machining the taper in the lathe an bring the business end to size/spec already installed in the mill. (Just thinking outside the box) But i also dont know, if the mill can handle these kind of cuttingloads... Best regards
@hyperhektor77335 жыл бұрын
17:56 haha that drill motor idea is cool. now i remember i had a similar idea to use a drill for my chinese Mill-press on the X-axis
@damianpianta35464 жыл бұрын
I used diamond coated dremile bits and tile drill bits to remove broken taps from holes (usually stainless steel causes taps to bind and break).
@udowillkomm11738 жыл бұрын
Great video, good job, and fun to view...we don´t see that often in YT land...
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+Udo Willkomm Thanks Udo.. and thanks for watching.
@RinksRides6 жыл бұрын
Like CH3 collets for my Cincinnati 1B Toolmaster knee mill, circa 1963, only place i could find them still made are in Elmira, NY. FOR $190/ea!!!!!!! Luckily, the free mill came with a 5/8" one and i was smart enough to just buy a ER30 holder with a 5/8" shank.
@tiitsaul90368 жыл бұрын
i like your sense of humour.
@ThisOldTony8 жыл бұрын
+Tiit Saul Thanks Tilt, and thanks for watching.
@RambozoClown8 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Bummer about that drill bit. Maybe time for the home brew EDM project? With a second drawbar, you can also make use of NMTB 30 taper tooling that is more common. I've done some of the same but to get the tool bore spot on, I did the finish cut right in the mill with a boring bar clamped in the vise.
@DoRC8 жыл бұрын
Good job. That's prolly the least runout I've seen on a slitting saw holder
@terminalpsychosis80226 жыл бұрын
Eyeball it! EYEBALL it he says! Heretic! That they all came out pretty much perfect and fully functional means NOTHING! ;) Interesting and entertaining as always, Mr. Tony.
@imagineaworld5 жыл бұрын
very helpful as always!
@SKMETALGR6 жыл бұрын
Great job !!!
@robmckennie42038 жыл бұрын
The finish on Tony's lathe never fails to shock me. My lathe needs some tuning up, or something...
@theAustriaball7 жыл бұрын
Rob Mckennie the finish has to do with the RPM and quality if your cutting tool
@joshuac67965 жыл бұрын
@@theAustriaball Don't be silly, we all know it's the power of the magic trigon inserts. :P
@jaydunbar75385 жыл бұрын
@@joshuac6796 which is also known as the "quality of your cutting tool"
@jonreiley51477 жыл бұрын
very cool. adapt and overcome at its best
@RonakDhakan3 жыл бұрын
You are like the dad we never had growing up. I mean, I have a mechanically inclined dad who taught me a few things, but he is no where near as knowledgeable, precise or polite as you.