First Time Watching ALL of Star Trek - Episode 171: The Offspring (TNG S3E16)

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@danielrotello4950
@danielrotello4950 Ай бұрын
Data made Love. Literally. ❤
@TheElderBlotch
@TheElderBlotch Ай бұрын
"I love you, Father." "I wish I could feel it with you." "I will feel it for both of us. Thank you for my life." Tears, every time. I wanted Lal to be a regular character so much.
@DarrenBenfer
@DarrenBenfer Ай бұрын
I reached for the tissues when it hit the ready room scene where he orders Data to deliver her. I knew they were coming.
@juliestasha2919
@juliestasha2919 Ай бұрын
This episode lives in my head rent free, I regularly think about it, it might be an issue 😂
@natearts
@natearts Ай бұрын
She should be a series regular whenever the inevitable reboot happens
@angelainamarie9656
@angelainamarie9656 Ай бұрын
OMG yeah that's a cruel yank at the heartstrings. What a fantastic piece of writing, and Hallie Todd absolutely nailed every nuance.
@prion42
@prion42 Ай бұрын
"Order a man to turn his child over to the state? Not while I'm his captain."
@GenerateSilence
@GenerateSilence Ай бұрын
A shame this one didn't survive the edit. One of my all time favorite Picard lines.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Ай бұрын
Why I'll always homeschool.
@mattstrathis4328
@mattstrathis4328 Ай бұрын
Now a days we have elementary school teachers trying to change kids gender behind their parents back.😮
@jamesalexander5623
@jamesalexander5623 Ай бұрын
@@mattstrathis4328 And we have Parents who Disown their Children because they're Gay!
@MysteriousMose
@MysteriousMose Ай бұрын
Surrender? That'll be the day
@arsbadmojo
@arsbadmojo Ай бұрын
The actress playing Lal (Hallie Todd) knocked the role clean out of the park. I've watched this episode 100 times and still pick up subtle things she does. Just perfect.
@gaz-l621
@gaz-l621 Ай бұрын
She does a great job modulating her performance as Lal develops
@ShamrockParticle
@ShamrockParticle Ай бұрын
She was Blanche's granddaughter in the episode of The Golden Girls. Really good acting too!
@kraft75
@kraft75 Ай бұрын
I used to like this episode as a kid, and now that I’ve become a single dad to my beautiful daughter, this episode has be ballin’ every time 😭🙏🏽❤️😊🖖🏽
@daerdevvyl4314
@daerdevvyl4314 Ай бұрын
Every time I see this episode I’m convinced she’s a slightly younger Bebe Neuwirth, Lilith from Cheers.
@user-be7tc2bd6e
@user-be7tc2bd6e Ай бұрын
Yes she sure did,what a wonderful performance,moved me to tears that scene were Lal ceased to exist.The entire episode was-GREAT-to me,never get tired of viewing it either. Live Long and Prosper
@menolikey_
@menolikey_ Ай бұрын
So Data knows what it's like to kiss Riker.
@The_Zilli
@The_Zilli Ай бұрын
LOL thanks for that laugh
@mjbull5156
@mjbull5156 Ай бұрын
That is not exactly unique knowledge.
@geoffreyhawley503
@geoffreyhawley503 Ай бұрын
An actual LOL for me!
@miller-joel
@miller-joel Ай бұрын
Thanks for ruining the episode.
@theevilascotcompany9255
@theevilascotcompany9255 Ай бұрын
He knew before, but they couldn't broadcast it.
@dupersuper1938
@dupersuper1938 Ай бұрын
"I can give her attention Doctor, but I am incapable of giving her love." "Now why do I find that so hard to believe...?"
@KineticSymphony
@KineticSymphony Ай бұрын
I'm a 34-year-old man & I cry like a bitch every time I watch this. Incredible episode.
@watts18269
@watts18269 Ай бұрын
37 year old man and I’m with you 100%
@ElOroDelTigre
@ElOroDelTigre Ай бұрын
@@watts18269 Not a competition but 47 and wiping tears like nobody's business.
@harrysarai3947
@harrysarai3947 Ай бұрын
right there with you, i'm 44.
@danielrotello4950
@danielrotello4950 Ай бұрын
Data made Love. Literally. ❤
@montylc2001
@montylc2001 Ай бұрын
62 and the same. But then again I've lost a child before.
@actioncom2748
@actioncom2748 Ай бұрын
The way Riker got out of that situation tells me that this isn't the first time he's confronted some fathers.
@davedove67
@davedove67 Ай бұрын
Do not be ashamed of the tears. The line "I will feel it for both of us" gets this old man every time.
@TimelyAbyss
@TimelyAbyss Ай бұрын
This episode gets me every time. I have no idea how Brent Spiner pulls off being un-emotional yet conveys such deep passion.
@professorbugbear
@professorbugbear Ай бұрын
He's truly one of the most underrated actors...
@auturgicflosculator2183
@auturgicflosculator2183 Ай бұрын
@@professorbugbear I rate him extremely highly.
@Phantassm
@Phantassm Ай бұрын
@@professorbugbear Naaa...Patrick Stewart has never been underrated. He has been celebrated.
@HawkGTboy
@HawkGTboy Ай бұрын
Same. It’s legit hard to watch, especially when you have kids.
@AbrielMcPierce
@AbrielMcPierce Ай бұрын
I'm sad we missed the part where he says that Data's hands were "moving faster than I could see". Such a moving episode all around. The tear was well deserved.
@tessera5029
@tessera5029 Ай бұрын
That's the line that always chokes me up.
@geoffreyhawley503
@geoffreyhawley503 Ай бұрын
That line gets me every time.
@rendalconstantineau1680
@rendalconstantineau1680 Ай бұрын
Yeah, that line gets me every time as well.
@ninjabluefyre3815
@ninjabluefyre3815 Ай бұрын
My favorite line in the episode.
@IAMtheSpaceNinja
@IAMtheSpaceNinja Ай бұрын
yup, me too, SAME, that's THE line. That actor delivers it so well too, and that's AFTER he made us hate him all episode. Part of me is glad that line was cut from this reaction, it always hits me TOO hard.
@VonPatzy
@VonPatzy Ай бұрын
The “I FEEL” abdomen stab gets me every time.
@markreed392
@markreed392 Ай бұрын
"Why is the sky black?" One of my favorite lines.
@charlottehammond8975
@charlottehammond8975 Ай бұрын
Yes!!
@kevinbrooks9074
@kevinbrooks9074 Ай бұрын
Racist
@jamesalexander5623
@jamesalexander5623 Ай бұрын
@@kevinbrooks9074 Ha ha ha!
@shanepye7078
@shanepye7078 Ай бұрын
The two scenes that always get me- When she is hitting her chest and saying “I can feel it”, and when she says “Thank you for my life father.”
@kinagrill
@kinagrill Ай бұрын
The absolute confusion and inability to explain that 'pain'.
@Billinois78
@Billinois78 Ай бұрын
"Imagine if Pulaski was there instead ... 'You're wasting your time! Your just damn robots" LOL
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Ай бұрын
Watching this with them again, I couldn't help but think about how terrible Pulaski would have been in this episode. And then they soon after commented the same. These reactors have had an impact on my life. I will never watch any other Beverly Crusher scene without thinking about how much I hate Pulaski.
@user-kj5iu8bs1p
@user-kj5iu8bs1p Ай бұрын
"Hold your ground Mr. Data." There's SO many examples in TNG of what a great leader Picard is. Picard is a great example to me of: "It's not the size of the dog in the fight that matters, it's the size of the fight in the dog."
@persephonebonner5733
@persephonebonner5733 Ай бұрын
Exactly. Picard was absolute ready to die on that hill.
@paul1979uk2000
@paul1979uk2000 Ай бұрын
It's these kinds of moments that define an average man to a great man in willing to do the right thing, even if the cost to one's self is high as most of us would very likely back down under that threat the admiral give, in this case, his career, and it's no wonder why Picard has inspired so many people over the decades.
@huggerble514
@huggerble514 Ай бұрын
It's really amazing that the most unemotional character in the show can deliver some of the most emotional and gut wrenching episodes
@escapetheratracenow9883
@escapetheratracenow9883 Ай бұрын
Well said!
@ammaleslie509
@ammaleslie509 20 күн бұрын
He becomes a.blank slate that allows us to see the reflection of our own emotions. That's why it works. When deeply emotional words and scenes are presented, and there is no way to connect emotionally with the character, it opens a pathway to connect emotionally with the responses that are evoked within our own selves.
@SharmClucas
@SharmClucas Ай бұрын
One thing that made this episode special to me is that Lal's experience is similar to someone with autism. The isolation from peers, the difficulty learning interpersonal relations, the utter confusion over the deep feelings she has no ability to process. I watched my little brother go through those same experiences, and couldn't do much to help him as I am not on the spectrum, and so don't really understand. I tried though. This is what sci-fi is best at, exploring ideas and realities in a safe way, one that helps us get out of our own way and not get stuck in mental ruts, and see the world from a new perspective.
@zqxzqxzqx1
@zqxzqxzqx1 Ай бұрын
I just found out (at 56,) that I'm autistic, which explains why I always "got" what she was going through.
@SharmClucas
@SharmClucas Ай бұрын
@@zqxzqxzqx1 I think that's one of the cool things about writing realistically about the human experience. You can get characters that people can deeply relate to even though the writer didn't intend it that way. I think it's beautiful. I'm glad you have a diagnoses now.
@ryannelson1297
@ryannelson1297 Ай бұрын
When people say that the show improves greatly after season 2, this kind of episode is what they're talking about. Yes, there are still episodes that aren't great, but then you get these episodes that are simply perfect. They elevate the show and turn it into something that is greater than the sum of it's episodes.
@BuddyHoyt
@BuddyHoyt Ай бұрын
The “Thank you for my life” line gets me choked up. This is way heavier than a TV sci-fi show needs to be, but one of the saddest facts of life is that parents sometimes outlive their child. I don’t know of a more powerful combination of emotions than to grief the loss of a loved one and to be grateful for the life they had at the same time. That’s why that line hits me so hard.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Ай бұрын
Parents outliving their children is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
@snevan
@snevan Ай бұрын
ah yes, the classic "Bad-miral" (bad admiral) trope that came out of this show.
@ianjohns9398
@ianjohns9398 Ай бұрын
your parenthetical note made me lol (laugh out loud)
@Agamemnon2
@Agamemnon2 Ай бұрын
I love the slight subversion we see here, where the admiral, once he realizes Lal is dying, instantly offers to assist Data in the operation. He is, as the Guardians of the Galaxy put it, "not 100% a dick".
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Ай бұрын
@@Agamemnon2 He's not 100% a dick.
@cbinette100
@cbinette100 Ай бұрын
Any episode where Picard tells Starfleet to go F themselves in one way or another is a great episode for me
@LeutnantJoker
@LeutnantJoker Ай бұрын
He's what an officer is supposed to be, especially a senior officer. You don't take that career path to just blindly follow orders. Standing up against bad orders is an officers highest duty, I wish more realized that.
@King_Dusty_Of_Pookytopia
@King_Dusty_Of_Pookytopia Ай бұрын
Then you'll absolutely love season 8,9, and 10 via Star Trek: Picard. However the "F-you's ho both ways...
@paulonius42
@paulonius42 Ай бұрын
I think of this as The Measure of a Father. I still get teary-eyed at this one.
@IAMtheSpaceNinja
@IAMtheSpaceNinja Ай бұрын
That would have been a better title for this episode.
@libertubey2199
@libertubey2199 Ай бұрын
Jonathan Frakes' debut as director. Get use to him directing in the Star Trek franchise. He usually knocks it out of the park. Hallie Todd (Lal) was in a groundbreaking 1980's Showtime sitcom called Brothers, and played Lizzie McGuire's mom in Lizzie McGuire. Her mother was Ann Morgan Guilbert, who played neighbor Millie Helper on The Dick Van Dyke Show, and Fran's grandmother, Yetta, in The Nanny.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Ай бұрын
Jonathan Frakes set the bar for Star Trek actors directing episodes of Star Trek. A lot of credit has to go to the script, Brent Spiner, the guest stars, and Patrick Stewart. But what a high bar was set. The Blu-ray special feature about this momentous breakout directing debut is a must-watch down the line when TNG has been watched in full.
@paulpolpiboon9535
@paulpolpiboon9535 Ай бұрын
And she was in a great sitcom "Going Places" with Heather Locklear! Funnily, her co star was Alan Ruck, so the two of them have been on Star Trek!
@IAMtheSpaceNinja
@IAMtheSpaceNinja Ай бұрын
Lol, very impressive. I wonder how many more steps to get to Kevin Bacon?
@monkeyman767
@monkeyman767 Ай бұрын
"Directed by Jonathan Frakes" if you see that, youre in for a good time. Spoiler-free, hes become one of the most prolific and respected Star Trek director across multiple series
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Ай бұрын
LeVar Burton is also notable.
@jamessatter7418
@jamessatter7418 Ай бұрын
When Troi says to Picard, "You've never been a parent," it was a subtle callback to "The Child" from Season 2.
@IAMtheSpaceNinja
@IAMtheSpaceNinja Ай бұрын
That is VERY TRUE, and easy for me to forget because while I do not dislike "The Child", it is not a favorite episode of mine. Thank you for pointing that out. :-)
@ammaleslie509
@ammaleslie509 20 күн бұрын
Not subtle, but yes, a callback!
@kronos6948
@kronos6948 Ай бұрын
I'm a 300+ lb 49 year old man...and when both of you related to Lal being ostracized, I felt it deep down. I would give both of you a hug and tell you that you're among star trek fans...you'll never be unaccepted again.
@IAMtheSpaceNinja
@IAMtheSpaceNinja Ай бұрын
"BEST. COMMUNITY. EVER." I just had to say it again. Thank You.
@LearnToRefine
@LearnToRefine Ай бұрын
Data will keep insisting that he does not have feelings, and it becomes more obvious every day that he feels as much as anyone can (in his own unique way).
@MysteriousMose
@MysteriousMose Ай бұрын
Right? He definitely has certain emotions - or their android equivalent
@RetroRobotRadio
@RetroRobotRadio Ай бұрын
"He was remarkable..." - That's what Tasha said!
@donaldcordner1936
@donaldcordner1936 Ай бұрын
"Thank you for my life." ... gets me EVERY SINGLE TIME!!
@texanjoecoffeehouse8141
@texanjoecoffeehouse8141 Ай бұрын
Another episode that's a perfect example of why star trek is SO good when it gets it right!
@hagbardceline7118
@hagbardceline7118 Ай бұрын
Frakes started the trend of cast members direction episodes. It was actually his first time directing ever and he worked his ass off to get permission, he shadowed other departments when he wasn't needed on set and really put in extra time to learn how to direct this show, cause TV is shot fast as hell and there is no time to make mistakes in shooting.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Ай бұрын
Jonathan Frakes, regardless of whatever else one might think about his performance as an actor or any role he played, earns mad respect for his directorial debut and the doors he opened for other people. He put the work in. That will never be forgotten.
@natearts
@natearts Ай бұрын
So many great comments on all the great acting moments, and I just wanted to add-- it's not seen in this review, but in the episode, after the admiral tells Picard "you're jeopardizing your career," Patrick Stewart does this simple, understated smile. It's not an over-acted jeer, it's a perfectly subtle portrayal of his convictions-- that in comparison to Data losing his daughter, he doesn't care about status, career, or image. He's being confronted by tyranny, and the buck stops with him. Lesser writing, acting and direction would've over-stated that moment, but his subtle resolve is so powerful in comparison to the blustering arrogance of the admiral.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Ай бұрын
Jean-Luc Picard is a real one.
@MonsoonMike
@MonsoonMike Ай бұрын
This is among my favorite episodes of the series. Lal's final moments bring me to tears every time. On a lighter note, the most accurate part of the episode is that it takes several hours for Lal to decide her appearance, as anyone who has played a game with a robust character creator can tell you.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Ай бұрын
This man Sims.
@IAMtheSpaceNinja
@IAMtheSpaceNinja Ай бұрын
I know EXACTLY. The worse thing is that when you PLAY, the character faces AWAY from you on the screen, So I see little of my work. Many of the details are so tiny that most OTHER people aren't going to notice either, and that's IF it's even multiplayer. I don't know why I even do it.
@destinycaptain247
@destinycaptain247 Ай бұрын
Well, that thing hits a lot harder watching it in 24’ as opposed to 90’. It was good watching it initially. But now… I lost a son a few years ago. I was watching along not think too much ahead about what was coming in the episode even though I have watch it a dozen or more times. This one stung quite a bit. I had to shut it off for a moment.
@targetaudience
@targetaudience Ай бұрын
Very sorry for your loss
@SteveBrant55
@SteveBrant55 Ай бұрын
I met Hallie Todd, the actress who plays Lal, at a Star Trek convention in Los Angeles in 2013. Brent Spiner, Jonathan Frakes and others were there too of course. The picture I got with her and Brent and the autographs I got from them on a picture from this episode are two of my most prized possessions. And fun fact: Hallie is the daughter of Ann Morgan Guilbert, who played both Millie Helper, the neighbor on "The Dick Van Dyke Show," and Grandma, Yetta, on "The Nanny".
@TopGunZero
@TopGunZero Ай бұрын
Do my tears surprise you? Strong men also cry. Strong men also cry.
@lestatdelc
@lestatdelc Ай бұрын
That's a bummer man. Mind if I do a J?
@TheDougMan
@TheDougMan Ай бұрын
What a spectacular episode. The actress playing Lal is absolutely captivating. And father Data is at his very best. Wow.
@RandomNPC001
@RandomNPC001 Ай бұрын
I actually love this episode. If you don't shed at least one tear, you might have less emotions than Data. On a side note at least we know that Riker's rizz works on androids too, you may even call him a "love machine". 🥁 It's ok, I'll see myself out.
@channelwacke
@channelwacke Ай бұрын
He might be a robosexual. Ask Bender.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Ай бұрын
This is indeed the Turing Test.
@jpotter2086
@jpotter2086 Ай бұрын
The painting is a Mondrian, an early 20th-century masterwork of abstraction. It IS a perfect choice for Data, and it appearred in several episodes. It is a 1922 work called Tableau I, prints are widely available.
@MrMpa31
@MrMpa31 Ай бұрын
As much as we were supposed to hate the Admiral for most of the episode, it is his description and emotion to describing Data's attempt to save Lal that makes this episode. Great performance in that scene.
@IAMtheSpaceNinja
@IAMtheSpaceNinja Ай бұрын
Yeesssss, The Admiral ALMOST redeems himself. THAT'S the scene that really gets me. But we don't get to see the Admiral AFTER, when the emotions of the moment wear off and he becomes an A-hole again. If Data decided to build another android NEXT week, I saw NOTHING to convince me that Admiral wouldn't be back to take that kid too, but I hope I'm wrong.
@wrorchestra1
@wrorchestra1 Ай бұрын
Jonathan Frakes dissertation episode for "Paramount University".
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Ай бұрын
I hope someday these two watch the special features from the various DVD and Blu-ray sets.
@peterkoester7358
@peterkoester7358 Ай бұрын
"The Offspring" has always been my favorite TNG episode since it was first broadcast.
@gluuuuue
@gluuuuue Ай бұрын
Michael Dorn has said this is one of his two favorite TNG eps. Definitely Top 5 for me. Probably of the franchise.
@greenbrown7776
@greenbrown7776 Ай бұрын
I watched this last night before the reaction and review, and I pretty much dehydrated myself I had such an ugly man-cry. And that was totally knowing what was coming. I've never lost a child (never had one), but recently lost my parents. Definitely hits even harder. Hallie Todd is one of the all-time great "Trek" guest stars, up there with James Sloyan, Suzie Plakson, William Windom and Joan Collins. And J Frakes is a superb director.
@racookster
@racookster Ай бұрын
Someone should give Data an excerpt from Spock's log from about a hundred years earlier. He had to wipe Kirk's memory of a similar android. She couldn't handle emotional overload either, and Kirk couldn't handle that.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Ай бұрын
The one thing Picard asked of Riker when he first came onboard the Enterprise was to deal with all the children and keep them away from Picard, and the _instant_ Riker is off the ship Picard's second officer goes and makes a new kid.
@IAMtheSpaceNinja
@IAMtheSpaceNinja Ай бұрын
O.M.Q. That's even funnier than the above "Data now knows what it's like to kiss Riker." comment. Thanks for that! :-)
@timothyserabian5103
@timothyserabian5103 Ай бұрын
This is my favorite TNG episode. As a father, the ending hits me so hard. *Update* - I wanted to comment further but on a family trip. When I first watched this episode as a kid, I knew it was a special episode, I just didn’t realize how special. My daughter was born 5 weeks premature and spent the first 2 weeks of her life in the NICU. Then, she needed surgeries throughout her life including open heart surgery at age 8. My son also has had several surgeries including his appendix removed. At the ages of 13 and 7 respectively, they have taught me so much about what it means to be a better man and a stronger person. This is why this episode is so special to me. Despite not “having emotions” Data’s journey through parenthood is a unique and very “human” experience. TNG did such an amazing job condensing everything into one 45 minute episode, and the heartbreak at the very end brings me to tears every time I watch it. I don’t understand why this episode doesn’t get ranked higher on “best of” lists. I acknowledge that there are episodes with much more significant impacts on Star Trek and science fiction, but this episode is the top on my personal favorites list of Trek episodes.
@jimbearone
@jimbearone Ай бұрын
One of my favorite episodes there are still a few more excellent episodes to come. Love the fact that Lal now lives in Data’s memories just like any other parent who has lost a child.
@DamonCzanik
@DamonCzanik Ай бұрын
In "The Offspring," Data’s family expands, Creating Lal, with his own hands. Daata becomes a dad. Fatherhood, his desire. A bond of love, made of circuits and wire. Lal learns and grows, with curiosity bright, Exploring the ship, with Data's insight. But challenges arise, from Starfleet's demand, They want to control, what they don’t understand. Picard stands firm, defending their right, For Data and Lal, he’s ready to fight. But fate intervenes, with tragic dismay, Lal’s systems fail, and her life... slips away. Data's love endures, though Lal fades away, A sad goodbye for she must go, and he must stay. A father’s grief, in Data’s stoic face, An emotional journey, out here in space. Lessons of love, and the cost can be steep, Like Data, her memories, we will all keep. A tale of love, and what it can bring, So like their reaction to, "The Offspring".
@greenbrown7776
@greenbrown7776 Ай бұрын
Another banger Cliff Notes poem.
@IAMtheSpaceNinja
@IAMtheSpaceNinja Ай бұрын
This comments section is WHY I LOVE the Star Trek community. PLUS, I feel like there is something about Target Audience that draws out the BEST of us. I have followed a number of Reactors watching Star Trek and YOU GUYS are my FAVORITE. I'm a 43 year old man, and this episode STILL gets me EVERY TIME. Yes, even this time watching you. After reading the comments, It's just nice to know I'm not the only one. Thank you ALL for being the EMBODIMENT of what Star Trek stands for. BEST. COMMUNITY. EVER. Peace and Long Life.
@JMUDoc
@JMUDoc Ай бұрын
TNG usually crushes it with the guest casting, but this one might be the best of all.
@BolianAdmiral
@BolianAdmiral Ай бұрын
This episode always gets me… when Lal thanks Data for life, I start to cry.
@flotilha935
@flotilha935 Ай бұрын
THIS IS MY FAVORITE EPISODE OF THE SEASON!!!! So "asimovian"! This is science fiction! Stories that can touch our feelings through hypothetical sceneries. 10/10
@greenbrown7776
@greenbrown7776 Ай бұрын
It is Asimovian! I just finished rereading all of the Robot, Galactic and Foundation novels.
@schizowallflower
@schizowallflower Ай бұрын
I actually liked Pulaski a lot when I first saw Season 2 ages ago, but I love even more that Alex can nail an impression of her perfectly.
@RandomNPC001
@RandomNPC001 Ай бұрын
The biggest villains in Star Trek are the admirals! Good grief, every time!
@tessera5029
@tessera5029 Ай бұрын
Badmirals
@actor_jim
@actor_jim Ай бұрын
I love love love this episode. Hope the Target Audience back me up on this, but they won't change my mind if they don't.
@actor_jim
@actor_jim Ай бұрын
Phew.
@Daniel-Strain
@Daniel-Strain Ай бұрын
Truly great episode. Now I think you guys are starting to see what we were talking about. And it's not over :)
@Vulcanerd
@Vulcanerd Ай бұрын
Another excellent episode, maybe even a bit underrated coming on the heels of Yesterday’s Enterprise.
@marydodsonmt
@marydodsonmt Ай бұрын
Agreed. It's a very different episode, and obviously a bit more budget-minded, coming as it does on the heels of such a blockbuster, but every bit as good.
@MoonjumperReviews
@MoonjumperReviews Ай бұрын
You may recall this is the second time we’ve seen an android in Star Trek short circuit into death, because she was unable to handle the intensity of human emotions. The first time was Reyna in the original series episode, “Requiem for Methuselah.”
@jonisilk
@jonisilk Ай бұрын
Yes! Another banger of an episode... and with real tears. We're into the prime cuts of the season now, and in my opinion, the best is still to come.
@JeremyNoblitt
@JeremyNoblitt Ай бұрын
I think the best thing about Data is he doesn't know how human he really is.
@jkhoover
@jkhoover Ай бұрын
You have now met the best Star Trek director. Frakes has been directing Star Trek ever since, even the current Trek.
@kereminde
@kereminde Ай бұрын
And has directed other things to, from what I understand.
@this.is.a.username
@this.is.a.username Ай бұрын
@@kereminde some of the best episodes of The Orville were directed by Frakes. I would love to see him direct an episode of a star wars show so that he can have the trifecta of scifi
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Ай бұрын
Don't ruin the magic for me by telling me he's directed Discovery.
@jkhoover
@jkhoover Ай бұрын
@@this.is.a.username Orville does not complete the trifecta of anything. It definitely is not on the same level as Star Trek and Star Wars.
@this.is.a.username
@this.is.a.username Ай бұрын
@@jkhoover Orville is the best scifi to be put out in the last 2 decades and is far and away superior to current star wars. Frakes directing a SW episode would be better than anything made. Anyone that would watch Frakes' Orville episodes and his SNW/LD episode and tell me anything put out by disney is comparable in quality is smoking the brain melting shit.
@EVAUnit4A
@EVAUnit4A Ай бұрын
Lal's androgynous form was performed by actor Leonard Crofoot (who appeared in two other _TNG_ roles!), and make-up artist extraordinaire *Michael Westmore* says that it was the most intensive and memorable make-up he ever crafted for the entirety of the series! (Several different actors were used for the holodeck alternatives.) Crofoot was not allowed to eat or drink before getting made-up, because he would not be able to go to the bathroom while in the prosthetics. Additionally, it took two hours to get him into the make-up, and then a different make-up artist had to get into the shower with him to remove it at the end of shooting.
@ammaleslie509
@ammaleslie509 20 күн бұрын
He was Trent in Angel One, what else did he play?
@kevinbrooks9074
@kevinbrooks9074 Ай бұрын
In the quiet of the night aboard the USS Enterprise, Commander Riker and Captain Picard found themselves in the captain's ready room, enjoying a rare moment of relaxation. The stars outside the window formed a mesmerizing backdrop, a reminder of the vastness of space they explored together. "Jean-Luc, do you ever tire of this endless journey?" Riker asked, his voice soft, almost reflective. Picard looked up from his book, a slight smile playing on his lips. "There are moments, Will, when the solitude of command can weigh heavily. But then, I think of the crew, of the friendships we've forged, and it all seems worthwhile." Riker nodded, understanding the sentiment all too well. "We've been through so much together. It's those bonds that keep us going, I think." The captain set his book aside and leaned back in his chair. "Indeed. It's not just the exploration of the unknown that drives us, but the connections we make along the way." There was a comfortable silence between them, one that spoke of years of mutual respect and camaraderie. Riker walked over to the replicator and ordered two glasses of Saurian brandy, handing one to Picard. "To friendship," Riker toasted, raising his glass. "To friendship," Picard echoed, clinking his glass against Riker's.
@AT4W
@AT4W Ай бұрын
And what's great is that while this and the last one are so wonderful, you STILL have another top 5 contender or two before the season is out (at least from our perspective).
@benjaminrupe5930
@benjaminrupe5930 Ай бұрын
Daystrom, as in Richard Daystrom from the TOS episode "The Ultimate Computer".
@ztomas1
@ztomas1 Ай бұрын
This was the first episode of Next Generation that Jonathan Frakes directed, he directed a total of 8
@JAF729
@JAF729 Ай бұрын
I'm just speculating but I believe having someone who truly understands TNG, like Jonathan Frakes, who cares about it, and takes it seriously is what kept this episode from being silly. Jonathan Frakes did an amazing job directing this episode. He knew how to direct a guest star and get a strong performance out of them. Guest stars have always been very hit or miss on this show. The actress (Hallie Todd) who played Lal was fantastic.
@anthonybernacchi2732
@anthonybernacchi2732 Ай бұрын
Reposted from Patreon: Part II: *I find Lal’s line, “So without understanding humor I have somehow mastered it,” one of the most distressing moments in all of Star Trek. The last time my mother and I rewatched “The Offspring” before she died, she commented on the turbolift scene in which Data and Lal discuss Lal’s school experience that it must have painful for me to watch as a kid given my own experiences. I replied, “Ripped the heart out of my chest.” Expressing my feelings about this scene to Mom so clearly all those years after first seeing it is a precious memory for me.* Lal’s question, “Why is the sky black?,” is more profound and difficult than it seems. See the Wikipedia article on “Olbers’s paradox,” also known as the dark night paradox. Bizarrely, the earliest reasonable answer to Lal’s question came from a non-scientist: American author Edgar Allan Poe! *I did not realize until this rewatch how much this episode’s plot also resonated with my own experiences and fears as a kid. Due in part to my difficulties with socialization, my mother chose to homeschool me from third through twelfth grade. Like Data, Mom was able to provide me with the sum of human knowledge.* The yellow classroom set previously appeared in one of the deleted scenes from “The Bonding,” when Picard and Troi arrived in the classroom to inform Jeremy of his mother’s death. *I spent much of my childhood fearing on some level that the State would find some way to force me to go back to school, but they never did.* Picard makes a highly uncharacteristic grammatical error in this episode: “It may not be easy for you and I to see her that way” should be “for you and me,” which may sound wrong but is grammatically correct. *I am now 45 years old. I am a college graduate and a contributing member of society. I did not need to experience ten years of bullying, jealousy and resentment in public school to attain that status.* One disappointment for me on this rewatch was the realization that Marina Sirtis’ performance in this episode is far below her usual standard. Her line readings are stilted, and her delivery of the pivotal line, “You are scared, aren’t you?” is not strong enough. Perhaps Troi wants to avoid upsetting Lal further, but Sirtis does not sufficiently convey the gravity of the moment to the audience. On the other hand, I had never previously noticed the subtlety with which Brent Spiner plays the moment after the dying Lal tells Data that she loves him: Data seemingly considers lying and saying that he loves Lal but realizes that he must be honest with her. *When my mother died, her presence had so enriched my life that I could not allow her to pass out of it.* A 1990 exchange of memos between Rick Berman and Michael Piller revealed that Piller preferred “The Offspring” to “Yesterday’s Enterprise,” while Berman had the opposite opinion. (This provides a valuable insight, I think, into their respective personalities and approaches to making Star Trek.) Piller later named “The Measure of a Man,” “The Offspring” and a Season 5 episode as his three favorite installments of TNG. “The Offspring” and a Season 4 episode are Michael Dorn’s two favorites (remarkably, neither is a Worf episode), and Jonathan Frakes has described “The Offspring” as the best sci-fi episode ever written. [SPOILER REDACTED] *And so, I cherish my memories of her every day, including the memories of watching Star Trek - and "The Twilight Zone," and "Doctor Who," and "The Lord of the Rings" - with her. And because she exists in my memory, death is not an end for her in this world.* Leonard Crofoot (the androgynous version of Lal) previously appeared as Trent (the man who sprays himself with perfume) in “Angel One.” Nicolas Coster (Admiral Haftel) and Judyann Elder (Ballard) both appeared in episodes of "Wonder Woman," Coster in “The Deadly Dolphin” and Elder in “Light-fingered Lady.” *No goodbyes. Just good memories.* Unlike my mother, I would not rank “The Offspring” as my favorite episode of TNG, if only because it is so devastatingly sad. I do, however, rank it as the best episode of TNG Season 3, one of the three best episodes of TNG overall, and, along with “Amok Time,” one of the ten best episodes of the entire Star Trek franchise. *Thank you, Mom, for my life.*
@kingtimot
@kingtimot Ай бұрын
in the sentence “It may not be easy for you and I to see her that way” Picard and the Admiral, "you and I" are the subject and Lal, "her", is the object. if it's "you and me" then there would be no subjects in the sentence as the conjunction adds the two subjects together. you can't have a subject and an object joined by a conjunction. does that make sense?
@Akihito007
@Akihito007 Ай бұрын
​@@kingtimotNERD!!!
@anthonybernacchi2732
@anthonybernacchi2732 Ай бұрын
@@kingtimot I never learned the rules of grammar well enough to explain why the sentence is incorrect, but I know it would have been wrong for Picard to say, "It may not be easy for I to see her that way." The sentence has to be grammatically correct even if "you and" is omitted. (Even "It may not be easy for me and you to see her that way" would have been grammatically correct, although it would have been unacceptably colloquial for Picard -- it sounds like something someone from Sigma Iotia II would say.)
@ogphill
@ogphill Ай бұрын
Nice call out to Breaking 2: Electric Boogaloo. I say that sometimes too.
@ianjohns9398
@ianjohns9398 Ай бұрын
I say it because of MST3K
@flotilha935
@flotilha935 Ай бұрын
Somehow "The Arrival" reminded me of this episode
@targetaudience
@targetaudience Ай бұрын
Similar themes in a way
@nexusbrill
@nexusbrill Ай бұрын
I’ve seen this episode like 30 times and it still makes me burst into tears 😭
@trickshotsmoviesandcubing2317
@trickshotsmoviesandcubing2317 Ай бұрын
One of my favorites of the whole show and possibly the most underrated TNG episode of them all
@Video_Crow
@Video_Crow Ай бұрын
I always thought the writers missed a huge opportunity - after re-incorporating Lal into his own programming, it would have been a nice touch if Data was able to use verbal contractions from this episode on.
@MichaelJShaffer
@MichaelJShaffer Ай бұрын
What impressed me the most was how differently I felt about Admiral Haftel at the end of the episode. The way the actor delivered his lines talking about Data trying to save Lal brings me to tears every time. Data's lab is a redress of the Enterprise A bridge and the Battle Bridge.
@michaelpapp5518
@michaelpapp5518 Ай бұрын
17:53 this episode makes me sob every time. Great debut for Frakes. Honestly, set the tone for his career behind the camera.
@robslack5468
@robslack5468 Ай бұрын
OMG I LOVE how quickly you jumped to the implications of Data possibly having achieved the positronic brain. You went from “he thinks he’s a real boy LOL” right into deep lore impact in 2 seconds. A perfect encapsulation of your wrestler/jock personality and your genuine and rich appreciation of the Trek universe. I could not love you more than I do at this moment.
@byorum
@byorum Ай бұрын
Dude, get a room! 🤣 Jk ✌🏽🖖🏽
@timmeyer9191
@timmeyer9191 Ай бұрын
Episodes like this, Yesterday's Enterprise, The Defector, and a couple of more to come are the reasons people have been saying why season 3 is so great.
@airmaildolphin7013
@airmaildolphin7013 Ай бұрын
Since Jonathan Frakes directed the episode, could Lal be considered a "Frakenstein"?
@greenbrown7776
@greenbrown7776 Ай бұрын
Yes she could.
@brad9189
@brad9189 Ай бұрын
This episode is a great example of very satisfying storytelling that comes NOT from an unexpected twist, but from the fulfillment of an expectation set up in the story's beginning. It's like the Twilight Zone episode "Eye of the Beholder"--you know exactly what's going on and how its all going to end, and watching it unfold is exactly what's so gratifying.
@JimONeil
@JimONeil Ай бұрын
Every time you guys have talked about waiting for season 3 to really get going, I've been waiting for you to get to these last two episodes in a row. Also, the finale is going to absolutely blow your minds.
@MKDumas1981
@MKDumas1981 Ай бұрын
The default Lal was played by Leonard Crofoot. He previously appeared as Trent, who was the...ummmm...servant?...to Mistress Beata in "Angel One".
@IAMtheSpaceNinja
@IAMtheSpaceNinja Ай бұрын
Nice. I did not know that. Thanks :-)
@waynezimmerman1950
@waynezimmerman1950 27 күн бұрын
How much do I love this episode? A friend got me a trek mug with the quote: I am functioning within normal parameters
@scrapperlock9437
@scrapperlock9437 Ай бұрын
Another top episode of the season. Data is and always will be my favorite STTNG character. Brent Spiner was genius. And his daughter was good this episode as well.
@bunnygrill
@bunnygrill Ай бұрын
THIS is the episode I've been waiting for. This is one of my favorite episodes from the entire series. It doesn't get enough attention.
@Maltiris
@Maltiris Ай бұрын
Hope Alex brought a big box of tissues for this episode. 😢
@Herfortz
@Herfortz Ай бұрын
That's what I thought but "WOW" did these 2 pull a switcheroo.
@Elerad
@Elerad 27 күн бұрын
I love Hallie Todd's performance in this so much. She made the character so endearing in such a short time, and she plays off Brent Spiner just beautifully.
@buffettfan
@buffettfan Ай бұрын
A great follow-up to "A Measure of a Man". My stepmother loves this episode and has "Lal" on her license plate.
@CrankyGrandma
@CrankyGrandma Ай бұрын
Both Brent spinner and Hallie Dodd were incredible here. You saw the beginnings of emotion with her frustration. Her emotions developed. Spiner is a master at showing hints of feelings without having feelings. Both were amazing.
@ThatGeekyMaker
@ThatGeekyMaker Ай бұрын
This is my favorite TNG episode. I love everything about it, especially Picard standing up for Data and Lal.
@MKDumas1981
@MKDumas1981 Ай бұрын
16:33 - I'm not crying. You're crying.
@r.j.sullivan2104
@r.j.sullivan2104 Ай бұрын
“Thank you for my life.” Kills me every time.
@Enkijamenk
@Enkijamenk Ай бұрын
I recently had the horrible experience of losing a close friend who was only 31 years old to a drunk driver (she had been a passenger in a cab). I said at her memorial, when I spoke at the podium to the assemblage of her friends and family, that her death was a horrible tragedy that I was still reeling from and destroyed by, but that, despite the pain, I was so very, very glad that I got to have her as such a huge part of my life for nine long years. The grief did not negate the joy of her friendship, or all of the memories I had made with her. And I'm _still_ glad, two years after her death. One of the pictures on my wall is of her and I, grinning like idiots into the camera, after I had finished the NYC Marathon in 2019, and that pic will be on every wall in every apartment I will ever live in for the rest of my life. When people see it, and ask who she is, I make a point of telling them all about her. It makes it feel like she's still here. This episode hit hard before that happened, but it hits me much, much harder now. It does a wonderful job of contrasting the sadness of loss of a loved one with the happiness that they were there in the first place. "Thank you for my life," indeed.
@bobbuethe1477
@bobbuethe1477 Ай бұрын
Hallie Todd, who played Lal, is the daughter of Ann Morgan Guilbert, who played Fran's grandmother Yetta on "The Nanny" and next-door neighbour Millie Helper on "The Dick Van Dyke Show."
@komradewirelesscaller6716
@komradewirelesscaller6716 Ай бұрын
Data's determination to save his child to this day still really touches my heart. And still makes my eyes well up! As does Lal's final moments and last words to Data! Jonathan Frakes did a great job directing this episode. It was the first of many Star Trek episodes to be directed by a member of the cast. This was Frakes' directorial debut. The episode was written as a spec script by René Echevarria which the show bought. Echevarria did a great rewrite which was touched up by staff writers who also all did a great job! Hallie Todd was great as Lal and Whoopi Goldberg again also made this episode allot of fun. Even though as usual her part in it was small. And Lal's Riker kiss as well as Riker's reaction. Just hilarious!
@texas-raider
@texas-raider Ай бұрын
At its best, Star Trek is brilliantly aspirational. This is why I believe it leaves all other sci-fi programs behind... it captures the intense sincerity and complexity of humanity, instead of chasing after laser battles and explosions. First and foremost, it is authentically human.
@mjbull5156
@mjbull5156 Ай бұрын
"Let's have Data build his own android child." "Sounds great, but you know we do not have the budget for another recurring cast member." "OK, so we'll have the child android die of separation anxiety by the end of the episode." "Brilliant!"
@anthonybernacchi2732
@anthonybernacchi2732 Ай бұрын
Reposted from Patreon: Part I: Working title: “Bloodlines” (which would have made no sense, since Data and Lal do not have blood). *This was my late mother’s favorite episode of TNG, and, therefore, of the entire Star Trek franchise. As such, it is more emotional for me to discuss and think about than any other episode.* Like “The Measure of a Man” and “The Bonding,” “The Offspring” was a spec script by a first-time TNG writer which became a classic. Although René Echevarria received sole screen credit, multiple members of TNG’s writing team worked on the episode, including Michael Piller and Melinda Snodgrass, who remained on staff through the end of the season. (One reason the producers were eager to make “The Offspring” was to save money by making a “bottle show” after the unusually expensive “Yesterday’s Enterprise.”) Snodgrass voiced a minority opinion of this episode that finds it lacking, calling it “fairly obvious and tired and stupid and I didn’t want to do it… It had a lot to do with ‘The Measure of a Man,’ which I don’t think we needed to do again so soon.” *My mother often claimed that she began watching Star Trek because she overheard other children mocking me by calling me “Spock” and “Data,” and she needed to understand what they were talking about. I do not recall this myself - to the best of my recollection, we simply stumbled upon TOS and TNG in syndication around 1990 - but it was what she remembered.* There are fans and critics who agree with Snodgrass that “The Offspring” is an unnecessary rehash of the issues “The Measure of a Man” had raised, and that the events of that episode should have permanently resolved those issues in-universe. It is all too realistic, however, that people must fight to keep or reclaim rights that they believed they had already won. (Remember when Supreme Court nominees used to tell the Senate that Roe v. Wade was “settled law”?) *During the last few years of my mother’s life, when I was in my late 20s and early 30s, I began to suspect that I was on the autism spectrum. My mother was never able to believe or accept this because it conflicted with her deeply held narrative of my life, which was that I was exceptionally intelligent without any corollary drawbacks.* Surprisingly for an episode this late in TNG’s run, Gene Roddenberry also took part in the rewrites. I do not know what his specific contributions to the script were; however, given the overall quality of the result, this may have been his final truly excellent work as a writer for Star Trek. *It becomes clearer in “The Offspring” than ever before in TNG that, whether intentionally on the writers’ part or not, Data (and Lal in this episode) reflects the experiences of people on the autism spectrum. This is also true of Spock to an extent, which is one reason why his death scene in Wrath of Khan, isolated from his best friend by a transparent barrier, is so deeply moving. But it is far more obviously true of Data and Lal.* Although Alex and Josh are, quite rightly, already fans of Cliff Bole’s work, “The Offspring” marks the debut of TNG’s number one director. Jonathan Frakes had been interested in directing the show for some time, partly out of boredom when waiting around the set between takes. Rick Berman told Frakes he would have to “go to school” before directing an episode, and Frakes spent hundreds of hours in the editing room and on the dubbing stage learning about those aspects of television production. Upon receiving “The Offspring” as his first directorial assignment, Frakes said later, “I was thrilled because I got a Data show and those always work.” (Riker’s absence from the ship for part of the episode is, of course, a device to reduce Frakes’ acting workload in his directorial debut.) *Spock has rejected “normal” human emotion and does everything he can to suppress it. Data, like his conceptual predecessor Xon from the Star Trek: Phase II series that never was, wants to experience human emotion but cannot achieve it.* The meaning of Lal’s name, “beloved,” has special resonance in the Star Trek universe, since it is also the meaning of the names “Amanda” and “David.” Data encouraging Lal to choose its own gender and appearance is an extraordinary plot point for a television episode from 1990. One can only wonder how many millions of viewers - possibly including my mother - who accepted this as a natural and appropriate rite of passage for a new android would have been disgusted and offended by a human parent allowing their child to do the same thing. *For many Aspies like me, “the integration of hand/eye coordination” proceeds “at a slower developmental rate” than for other people; it is extremely difficult for us to master “human cultural and behavioral norms;” we have difficulty understanding the necessity for “selective judgment in verbalizing [our] thoughts;” and we must learn “to supplement innate… behavior with human responses” which are often imitative in nature. I make eye contact with people when I speak to them only because I forced myself to do so until it became habitual, not because it was an innate instinct.* Lal’s potential Andorian form is the first Andorian to “appear” on TNG. Its inaccuracy and general half-baked appearance, as well as Troi informing Lal and the audience that there are no other Andorians aboard the Enterprise, reflect the disinterest of Star Trek’s producers in the Andorians during this era. Rick Berman rejected an earlier proposal to feature an Andorian guest character on TNG by saying, “We don’t do antennae on this show.” *Since my mother’s death, I have come to suspect that she was also on the autism spectrum (closer to the “normal” end than I am) but was never diagnosed. She would undoubtedly have been even more disturbed by this suggestion applied to herself than applied to me.* During the montage of Lal’s progress accompanied by Data’s log entry voiceover, the Revised Final Draft script includes a scene absent from the aired episode in which Lal visits the Bridge and sits in the captain’s chair without being invited to do so. Relating to Josh’s query as to whether the repeated references in TNG to the Daystrom Institute imply that the writers were particularly fond of the episode from which the name “Daystrom” originated, the Revised Final Draft script of “The Offspring” also includes an explicit reference to “The Ultimate Computer,” the TOS episode featuring computer genius Richard Daystrom, in an exchange between Picard and Haftel. Haftel states that “Starfleet feels we’re risking another M-5 catastrophe,” which he blames “on the fact that Doctor Daystrom was working in effective isolation.” I think that this kind of deep-cut continuity reference, which reads like something out of fan fiction, would have been severely distracting for TNG viewers who were unfamiliar with TOS, and I am glad it was omitted.
@ElOroDelTigre
@ElOroDelTigre Ай бұрын
Thank you for the very detailed comment. There's a lot of info here I didn't know about and I deeply appreciate you taking the time to give it to us all.
@elizabethpalladino8301
@elizabethpalladino8301 Ай бұрын
The final scenes with Lal always make me cry. In some ways, I believe the final scenes with Admiral Haftel show him finally according Data respect.
@ThePendragon1998
@ThePendragon1998 Ай бұрын
Absolutely. The way he acts so shaken and humbled by Data's desperate attempt to save Lal is crucial to the way this episode emotionally hits. He shouldn't go underappreciated just because he was the antagonist.
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