Panurge "Welcome to AGDQ TASBlock 2025 we're going to play some Ocarina of Time. Link moves foward, backwards and foward and boom goes the dynamite you can overwrite reality. But what about a game like Chrono Trigger well you catch the rat and there you go we went back in time."

I'm pretty sure you need a bottle before OoT can overwrite reality.

petrie911 Or some deku nuts to exchange them for a bottle

*raises awareness of cancer

Panurge no but TASBOT does get Cappy into super dram world 2

Pensive Scarlet this isnt uploaded by the main agdq channel. the reason agdq runs start late in the videos is because they upload raw stream footage pretty much unedited super shortly after its streamed. its kind of crazy how fast they get it up.

Thanks, I knew my denial was justified

Thanks for clarifying

alain Thibault Tasception! *BWAAAAAAAH* Yeah, I know, that one was pretty obvious...

Khronos_ Y E S

N O

"an a press is an a press, you cant say its only a half!"

well not really

legendary why?

yeah, there was not a console switch, that was reprogramming zelda to do all those other things....really cool I think :D

It wasn't so much SM64 and Portal as it was prerecorded videos of SM64 and Portal. Still impressive, but there's an important difference. One is streaming audio and video from a connected system, and the other is entirely reprogramming a game on a system that can in no way support it.

The hard part in streaming audio and video is about changing palettes and audio channels. the job they've done is really impressing

The controller is inputting the data into ram

If only they could do that with every console (in HD) instead of using dumps from capture cards...

The SNES can receive inputs at a far higher rate than once per frame. Frames are just a construct for animating the actions during a video game. Once they take over the game, frames stop being a thing.

Actually. They execute some arbitrary execution glitch that lets them use the controller as a form of input for machine code.

+Vrabb'o'animate Actually. They remove the controller checking code to send raw data through the ports.

bbloodjh shit man, totally missed it

Nujum Key Same :(

I think people would have had more of a reaction if he said it as "two-thousand five-hundred".

Too bad it is pretty much people just throwing their money away. If you do any research on where the money actually go during AGDQ/SGDQ events then you would never want to donate during the event ever again. The speedrunners are literally getting payed for their time. It hurts every time someone donate $100+ then say something like "Glad this is going to a good cause" because sadly it isn't. It is like people donating to PETA expecting them to actually save animal lives when in reality you are literally paying them to kill animals. Too many rich people are not doing their research. I'm not saying don't donate, just not during the event itself where the money get the least use ever for what you are donating for. If you want to pay people to play games then at least be honest with yourself and just donate to their Twitch directly to runners that you actually like.

Got any proof for that? Because donations made via the SGDQ interface via PayPal definitely went directly to MSF's Paypal donations@newyork.msf.org

Blueberry101 VIDEOS ON NES ARE VIDEOS, YOU CANT SAY THEY ARE ONLY A HALF

Blueberry101 wat zijn pannenkoek memes

Nikitosnekit :D WELL NIKI "TOS" NEKIT HEAR ME OUT

Blueberry101 oh my god i laughed so hard lmao XD

PARAREL UNIVERSES

3. By speedrunning it. 4. By using TAS to cpletely break the game.

@@batouttahell24 5. Playing the game inside about twelve other layers of different games (at least five of which need to be Minecraft).

they need new blood just running out of improved content to even show off at GDQ from tasbot

I mean... They loaded up SM64 on an SNES, then proceeded to beat it in roughly 4 minutes.. I thought it was pretty entertaining >.

Human runners are able to entertain us with the same game on every GDQs by fighting RNG, racing, playing blindfolded, joking with silly puns, or any other stuff; TAS already owned randomness and can only show frame-optimized runs. Technically on the previous GDQs we've watched replays already uploaded (and console-verified) on TASVideos. Things would be boring easily, so TASers needed to bring TASbot to the next level, where no human can even mimic.

DwainiumB Last years Brain Age is a hard bar to pass.

shottysteve, is there a tasbot for me to get to global???

no

shottysteve well shit

shottysteve save or kill the animals?

kill em.

Remember when the NESs were hacked?

Why couldn't it? I imagine the sound is just one neverending sample being played back on one channel. The sample can be updated in real-time.

@@origamiscienceguy6658it's because the spc700 only had 64kb or sample ram, and to make things worse even the sound driver and pattern data occupied the sample ram

@@ssg-eggunner But that 64kb can be written to in realtime. The sound can be updated as it is played, so the data isn't an issue.

@@origamiscienceguy6658 for real? is there any tradeoff to performance for doing that btw?

No hacking, just controller inputs.

@Lassi Kinnunen Well, on the original Famicom, it was part of the cartridge pins. NOA got snippy and put them into the expansion port.

someone care to explain what happened in there? :o

They got the system to try to have more sprites loaded than there is space in memory for them, overwriting the memory next the the sprite buffer, which allowed them to write a few instructions to memory and then jump to execute those instructions, which are to take the controller input as further code to execute. Same basic principle applies to all the arbitrary code exploits; cause an overflow that lets controller write further code.

yeah i didn't like the couch. Its like, stop making cringy jokles about how you don't know whats happening, when you know exactly whats happening.

Mike Wang but it isn't a real snes, it's the snes classic, which as they explained is run in linux

SNES classic released months after this was done

@@somethingweirds3375 That was just for Galaga. The three games used for A/V were original hardware.

2018: TASBot plays Elder Scrolls on Atari 2600

Plays ark at max settings on a game and watch

Nlack Biggers plays scrap mechanic on a piece of dirt.

2021: plays the legend of zelda breath of the wild on the "kick the can" can

2022: plays super Mario Odyssey on an apple II

sexywednesday Right?? Gradius is boring af.. Mushuhime-sama, bitches!

sexywednesday they did it in SGDQ2015

They did ikaruga

Touhou! Touhou! Touhou!

actually its just a meme they aren't serious

They actually used Pokemon Red once to read and use Twitch Chat as input...

I saw, but the snes and supergb wasnt connected to the internet, there was a laptop between

The laptop didn't do that much, only working as an input. You could build the controller yourself if you want to, since you have to get a connection to the data in someway, but this would be... tedious..

But the snes/sgb wasnt in fact communicating through internet protocols, right? I understood that all the connections and comunications we're made by the laptop (running a modern processor, ram, os, drivers, etc), and them the laptop was converting the twitch texts and images to pure data and sending them to the console via the gamepad inputs just to be read and rendered in the screen, wasn't that the method?

It would be easier to write a program that can interpret data itself. And what do you refer to by saying pure data?

mysticboy247 - Nightcore Addict The TAS was connected with other TASes to run a TAS, then they ran another TAS.

bc then the sound player screen would’ve shown up

They said they reprogrammed the console and the controllers to input tens of thousands of inputs per frame

It's just a video.

12 inputs per controller, 4 controllers, so 48 bits per cycle. They did playback at a lower resolution, and if you want to see details on how that's theoretically possible, check out 8088 Domination which is a similar idea, though slightly easier.

There is no way to push so much video data with 48 bits per frame. They hacked the controllers so they can push ~100k button presses per second to the NES consoles, and 500k (if I recall correctly) to the SNES

animowany111 it's not 48 bits per frame, it's 48 bits per CPU Cycle. The PI pushes those through the controller ports as assembly language (because their setups in the respective games sets up direct RAM Access) and just clear the buffers after every cycle. The trick is that the data being streamed is being sampled through an interpreter by the PI, so the Systems are ONLY responsible for pushing their respective A/V channels, actual processing is not done on the systems. At least, that's what makes the most sense to me based on what they said. To clarify, the assembly code is translated into Hex codes by the Pi, so all they do is send addresses through the ports.

Also what's a tool assisted run

Jonas Hulse tasbot is playing the NES and SNES games. It also re-programmed Zelda on the SNES to stream video. And Mario 3 and mega man on the NES to stream audio. It then sent the pre-recorded video and audio to those consoles through the controller ports. The portal and Mario 64 runs were pre-recorded.

Let me explain it a little bit better... TASBot is a name they put behind the tool assisted speedruns that are being shown off, represented by a modified ROB peripheral with a Raspberry Pi to process the inputs. A tool assisted speedrun (TAS) is a series of pre-recorded inputs being played through actual consoles. These series of pre-recorded inputs are called “movies,” since they are played back to be watched.

Tekno Anonymous ok thanks

Well, if you take Raspberry Pi or something, then have it output into 4 SNES controller cables, and have that Pi receive/send internet data and draw things on that little screen, by inputting values from those 4 SNES controllers every CPU cycle... In that part, look at those LED's installed in controllers around TASbot - they are blinking like crazy.

Tl;dr the internet its done by a computer and the computer sends it through the controllers to the console

GalladeGuy Oh hey, someone from GBAtemp.

The fastest SMB3 TAS is less than a single second. It's possible to trigger ACE within the first few frames, because SMB3 will accept input as fast as it's technically able to, which is hundreds of times per frame.

Your bet bet is to just hit the tasvideos site and check the resources there. Particularly the forum (tasvideos.org/forum/), which has beginner resources. Each submission to TASVideos also has an explanation in it's submission page about what each run does.

Thanks!

For the Mario 64 Stuff, go to pannenkoek. He only needs 1 A button press to beat the game. (~30 for 120 Stars (and he uses ridicolously insane glitches to do so))

Rednidedni oh my god, I checked him out. that stuff is right up my alley

Pannen also is really good at explaining things and is also always working to improve his TAS.

JP Serrano what? he did do a melee block

JP Serrano he was on couch for Linkus7's WW HD run

if you watch til the end they explain that it is video footage that is shown. But to answer your question . No tases do not edit games. They work at the upper limits of the game and what can be broken while doing that game.Theoretically if people would become superhuman then tases could be done in real time.

With an arbitrary code execution letting them set up video streaming via the controller inputs. (All the superN64 stuff was compressed pre-recorded video streamed to the SNES)

It’s a video using controller inputs

tormenthora only if they install wine