But what If you don't take something out of someone else's mind, but think for yourself of what makes you special, and describe this to your Artist, and let's him/her design something special, Just for you. Don't know, i invented all my Tattoos with my Artist togeather. And If you don't wan't them copied, then don't throw them out to the Internet. It's like with Graffiti, once it's out there, it

...get's public domain... But also, If you get something cultural, or something witch has been a generic Symbol or design( Pin Up, swallows, words, etc.) than I Like the opinion, that it is what Tattoos are, since always , so do what ever. But If you think of IT, as Art on your skin, maybe you take the unique Turn, and give your Artist some freedom. Most of them will apreciate you for the destraction from the routine... Sorry for my flaud Englisch

But if they want extremely unique tattoos then that’s their choice and that’s fine.

@@onosxobut it’s also difficult, as she said, to have anything unique these days when it comes to tattoos. Because once it’s out there, if someone likes it, they’re likely going to get it. And it’s difficult to be ‘unique’ and individual when we have no idea what other people may have who aren’t online, if that makes sense. Like I’ve thought of a lot of ideas (I don’t frequent social media so none of these were subconsciously stored away after seeing it) only to suddenly come across it online or see someone in the world doing it and I’m like hmm… thought I was doing something there😂 I don’t think it’s cool to copy other’s art, especially if it is original to the artist/designer or wearer/consumer but I do feel it’s a tricky situation with everything being publicized and visible. I don’t know if we should tell artists to turn down clients who want replicated tattoos but they should redirect them and see if they can come up with a compromise so they can make it individual to the client…? And then turn them away if they refuse to compromise. When I got my recent tattoo, I showed the artist an inspiration photo and instead of copy/pasting it, she sketched her own variation, got my ok, confirmed it didn’t look exactly like the photo (we spent a good 45m doing this in person and she had sent me a photo of her sketch a week prior) THEN we proceeded.

@@primrosedeluna I have like 12 tattoos. If the person feels it’s unique to them then it’s unique to them. The ideas can be the same but still end up looking unique.

this actually happened to me twice with the same artist :,) gonna be getting those tattoos removed when i can

@@rinjilsig6728why?

@@bogeymanbear it's not right for me to keep stolen art on my body. simple explanation.

​@rinjilsig6728 you are overdramatic 😂 if you feel like those tattoos represent you.. then why removing them? I didn't know political correctness was big deal in tattoo industry too.. sad

@@chrissy138 tbh personally for me if I would decide to remove them would not because I want to be politically correct but because I would feel the tattoo is shit because every time I do a tattoo I appreciate it being someones creation and I love it more because of it, if I fould out that it was just ripped off the internet I would immediately feel this tattoo is shit and I woudnt want to have it

Fyi the "sleeve" with smaller tattoos is called a "patchwork sleeve" or "patchwork tattoos". I'm currently working on mine cuz I love the idea of building up a sleeve with small, random tattoos 🤗❣️

Patchwork?

I started getting tats when I was 16, 34 years ago. I went to a biker shop, got a small piece and haven’t stopped. The way my life unfolded, piecework tats was just what I ended up doing. Each tat means something deep to me. I considered a "designed" sleeve but it never worked out. I am still going and couldn’t be happier with my decision.

Those are usually flash the artist made and are great for stuff like Friday the 13th tattoos but other than that ya I wouldn't want a premade one

Flash tattoos can provide a great experience. I'm traditionally tattooed and have both flash tattoos and tattoos made just for me. Sometimes flash already hit the mark perfectly for what i wanted :)

Man. The olden days. Walk ins, flash, 40 dollar minimums. 😂 Dudes getting tribal arm bands and every female having a lower back tattoo.

​@@liloreoinyaI feel called out 😂

This is such a good point - these "unwritten rules" of the OG community are not communicated to the newer crowd and we need to pass on etiquette with kindness or else it will be lost.

yes but, not copying other peoples art is basic common sense, not some kind of coded etiquette

@@_bobo__ things were different back in the early 2000s. It was very normal to search an image, print it off and take it to your tattoo artist. Literally no one ever talked about that being considered “copying” someone else’s art. It was nothing like how it is today. It’s common sense today, but it wasn’t back then. The internet was barely a thing! If you didn’t know something you couldn’t just hop onto google and research it. We were working with Ask Jeeves in those days lol. And Jeeves didn’t know much.

Ashley I'm older than you so I definitely remember the early 2000s. it's never been ok to copy peoples art.

@@_bobo__ ok, well thank you for going out of your way to make me feel like a dumb ass hole. It wasn’t common knowledge for me. I clearly had a different life experience than you.

I agree when it comes to realistic tattoo designs, but most other styles you still need to draw, whether that’s on paper or an iPad. Sure an iPad can be faster, but eg illustrative is illustrated.

Flash is like public domain media. To me, I think it's cool to give an old design new life. Tattoos are not like paintings that can be reprinted forever. The life of the tattoo ends when the life of the person does. So I think using an old flash design honors the person who created it as well as the people who have modified it over the decades. It makes a temporary thing eternal and as an artist I consider that an awesome achievement. I agree with everything you said about original artwork. I feel like there's a difference between a piece of art and a design. If a design endures, it eventually belongs to everyone. That doesn't happen with a person's artwork, it's more personal. It's creepy to steal art 😭

Honestly I just think about how I would feel if I saw someone with the same tattoo as me. As said in the video, if you see someone with the same flash tattoo it's a cool bonding moment. But if you saw someone with the same tattoo as you that was a custom design you spent time and effort looking for and working with a specific artist on, you'd be like "hey what the fuck?" It's different, it's personal. The copyright of it is complicated but just from an ethical standpoint you can see why those two things are different just based on that initial reaction.

I agree. I'm a little conflicted on this tbh. Part of me says the customer should be able to get whatever they desire since it's their body. But I also agree that personal artwork is privileged. IMHO, I think I would personally feel honored that others wanted my artwork used on their body... But obviously if it's done poorly, I would feel icky about it. Idk,I personally feel like the client should be able to get whatever art they desire, and if they're on with the artist putting their own spin on it -cool. But if not, I don't see it as *that* big of a deal. Kinda like you said, don't "advertise" your work if you don't want others to use it.

This is something I'm honestly so scared of lol. I've been trying to get an apprenticeship for years (my area doesn't have a lot of shops, and they tend to only let their kids/kids' friends become apprentices, or require a master's in fine arts to apprentice), but I've been designing for years, and recently gave up and got a machine to practice on reelskin. I have a ton of designs that I've hand drawn, I'm sure some are insanely similar to what others have done (I have 231 designs, I'm sure others have done extremely similar ones), but without being a legitimate artist I will never be able to fight for my own work in the industry. I have a lot of friends who are waiting for me to get an apprenticeship and move into becoming an actual artist so I can tattoo them as I will never tattoo another person without being in a sterile studio. At least then I would be taken more seriously, but god, I'll be lucky if I can even just start an apprenticeship in the next 10 years.

As someone who just likes getting unique artists artwork tattooed on them I can’t lie i’d be kind of pissed if someone stole my concept and art I engraved into my body forever. I can’t imagine what it must be like for artists themselves

That makes a lot of sense! The flashes are often a bit off.

A lot of people redraw flash anyways. And SJ copied Joe Lieber a lot! When he switched to doing bodysuits in Japanese style, he often copied ukiyo-e and what people like Horiyoshi II were doing. Every good tattooer has their own style and you can usually tell them apart. Unless it's Sailor Jerry and Joe Lieber! Lol

This right here..

I've never seen a copy match up to the original. I mean it would be different if a big artist was doing really good copies of newer artists work of course but if a new tattooer is learning different techniques and needs the money to continue with their art idk if I would blame them

Perfectly stated!!

Omg aha amazing 😊

@@celle_tattoo 💕

Good point - if a tattoo has a wide enough appeal it will go down in history as a tattoo people get. In some ways the posterity of co-designing a tattoo that lives on and on after you are gone could be seen as a compliment and an achievement

The question there is how far does the originality extend? For example the rip off at 1:33 : that's not just iconic character The Joker (owned by not this artist) but specifically Heath Ledger as The Joker who already has a lot of iconic imagery of holding burning playing cards or bills to his face. Obviously the tattoo has been ripped off, even down to the composition of the city below but my question is how much would you need to change to the pre-existing iconic characters that David doesn't own and to the rough posing that was iconic before David drew his version of it. David's design is an original only in the narrow scope of his specific drawing and tatoo. To a much lesser extent but this still applies to things that were more original. The Sinner nun wasn't a pre existing character and using existing existing iconic posing... but it's also normL portrait angle and the concept of "Bad Nun" is old and its a standard nuns habit and inverted crosses are also old as iconography. The word sinner on the Hood and the specific design are "ownable" but everything else is still like an original arrangement of pre-existing iconographies and ideas, so the question still remains that if someone was inspired by the design it is very hard to say just how "inspired" by it they're allowed to be before its crossing into rip-off territory. Personally outside of highly platformed or well established artists taking designs from less established or smaller creators I honestly don't find it that much of an issue. Even practically total rippoffs, if you live in an entirely different area that doesnt overlap clients and you're client knew what was up I'm pretty hard pressed to care. Especially because I've rarely seen an tattooist that never uses any IP or other copyright/trademarked material.

And definitely not tribal tattoos or other tattoos which have specific cultural meanings for certain people. Using those as an example how it’s okay to copy custom designs is just weird.

Yay I love that 🖤

I wish she changed the music though. it's hard to watch the content because the music is annoying.

To be fair just because someone posts their own tattoo online doesn't mean stealing it is no longer wrong, it just makes it more likely to happen.

In a way I agree... but these days creative careers have to use social media to stay alive, or thrive. So you almost have to post your work online to advertise. The artists who become "famous" and can charge tons of money generally get that way from having strong social media following (and hopefully good art). That and if you're a random person and post your pics online chances are some will have your tattoos in them. That doesn't mean you want someone to copy your face tattoos identically because you posted a selfies.

I would be a little miffed if someone copied one of my tattoos mainly bc they are characters I made. (I'm also planning a whole sleeve with other characters of mine)

@@vvitch-mist20 yeah that would definitely be weird. I guess technically if it's not based on a real person, any tattoo of a character or person would be one someone made up lol.

A piece of art work has an intellectual property right on them for the original creator. Posting your work online is not legal publishing so no posting your tattoo online doesn’t make it free for all to use. These days the problem is that people are just unable to respect creators and the internet is making everyone feel entitled to all imagery out there. While that’s not how it works.

I used to work in tattoo studio, as just person who draws tattoo designs. In my first week, literally the person who was tutoring me to the work said that "go to Pinterest and take design from there". I was like HUH?. I personally drew most myself (realistic pics I photo edited pics). Sometimes I used design from Pinterest but edited it enough being it's own thing. But most of the time customer walks in with ready design.

Well put. But those face tattoos are stupid anyway and the people who get them really aren't known for their originality.

I went to an appointment with a friend, I was getting custom work and she had pinterest screen shots of very generic millennial style tattoos. The artist tattooing us both literally said I'm not copying those verbatim, I will change things up and make them unique but I won't copy those designs exactly. So yeah, I've seen it happen where a tattoo artist just won't copy a design, but obviously some are happy to copy

I think it's the fault of the Client, If they don't wan't to bei special, Just part of the "cool Kids" then it generates clients for the laser bunch. After they realize, that every Dummy has a tramp stamp. If you wan't the Pack to accept you, or at least think you are cool, than you have to get a Tattoo. Sorry If i sound bitter, but i live in Berlin, and everyone and they're granny get's here tatooed, so If you wan't to be really cool, nothing under some face tats'. Think many of the Kids here, will regret(regert) many of their todays decisions..

@@pfeffivonminz1934 idk if you can ever blame the client. The reason i say that is because some people find genuine tattoos that they see meaning it that can relate to them, even if its on someone else, and may feel its perfect for them. Tbh i think it is quite weird that the client would then be frowned upon for that. The only thing that could make that weird to me, is if the artist would did the recreation does not credit the original inspiration of the artwork if they post it or are asked about it.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@suzukiriyumekoOh, you can definitely blame the client in my opinion. You should never feel entitled to someone else’s art work or tattoo no matter how perfect it suits you. Get a suiting flash tattoo instead if you don’t want your tattoo custom made for you to have that special meaning you want. Copying a custom tattoo is just simply distasteful towards the artist and to the original customer who got the tattoo design done and paid for the design work to be special for them. A recreation is not taking inspiration, it is copying. Inspiration is when you look at a piece of work and make something out of it that’s new and your own and not the exact same as the original work.

That might be because if they post it online and the original designer finds it the tattooer could possibly be sued for copyright infringement. Since the tattoo copying of original designs has gotten so big many tattoo artist get copyrights for their designs these days.