Harassment of any type of anybody in this video is utterly condemned. This video is not about Phantoml0rd. Behave yourselves.

Thorin's problem, IMO, is that he often takes strong ideological stands for what he thinks is right, and is annoying about them. When he does it for the right reason (ex: not working with ESL because they robbed NA of hard earned slots) people forget the original (good) reason, and he just comes off to a lot of people as annoyingly self-righteous. When he does it for what people believe to be the wrong reason, it's never forgotten.

the dude just picked a lot of wierd hills to die on for absolutely no reason

Going on a podcast with Destiny was the first mistake, he was doomed from that point onwards

I asked him on a tweet why he put Liquid to go 3-0 and he just blocked me. Chad.

I used to like Thorin because I thought he wasnt scared of speaking his mind when teams played bad. But until this video I completely lost track of him. Thank you for the update :D

It is absolutely bizarre how staunchly he stands by his takes on players. The CS scene is CONSTANTLY changing, new talents rise, old players have comebacks that no one could've seen coming- but most importantly than that, I think the one thing the community values is respect for the legends of the game. It's pretty obvious that a lot of hate for Thorin is because of how strongly he doubles down on usually controversial statements, but goddamn it is avoidable when it comes to the game and players aspect.

I think you missed a key detail. After ESL stole Pro League spots from teams that had qualified for that league, Thorin refused to work with ESL until they publicly apologized for it and fired the people who had made the decision. ESL obviously didn't do this, but guess who also runs like 80% of the CSGO circuit? That's right, ESL. You also didn't mention that the fallout with his tweet exchange with Dev1ce was that Blast wouldn't work with him anymore unless he made several concessions regarding what he could and couldn't tweet (if I recall correctly), which he refused to do. Anyway, it's not surprising that he's doing less events now as a result of these two things.

I love your skins content but also really love your commitment to addressing broader topics within the CSGO community as a whole

Talking about Thorin and Brazil, but not talking about his friendly exchange with kngv that made them not play a single game with the org let me feeling like there's something missing, great documentary still

good documentary, would love to see more of those , we have/had lots of interesting personalities on csgo scene.

I like this, you did a fairly good job of remaining impartial. An interesting divergence from skins content, which is a niche, and therefore automatically more difficult to find topics for.

Met Thorin at MLG Columbus, nice guy but he was very awkward. However, Moses and Chris Puckett might have been two of the nicest, most down to earth people.

Thorin and Richard Lewis are like case studies for the impact of being terminally online. Both of them are middle aged men who let internet comments, criticism and opinions take up way too much space in their heads and let social media turn them into negative, cynical and frankly unhappy people. Not trying to hate, both of them are capable of great things but sad to see the effects of years and years of social media impacting them the way it does, neither of them come across as positive or optimistic people.

Ive always loved thorin. No one comes close to his content and analytical standpoint and his ability to cross over ideas from real sports to esports. Thorin is a great person in the scene.

Honestly i quite like him maybe since i dont use twitter but his videos are quite insightful and are quite fun to watch as someone who started playing in 2018 and learning about things in 2005-2017

it’s a shame because he had such potential to be the “bad cop” journalist of csgo but he just couldn’t keep his mouth shut

24:31 heyzeus: "trust the numbers, not your gut" *my whole life has been a lie*

Thorin being considered a journalist is hilarious. The guy digs around for drama more than anything. He's basically the DramaAlert of CS

Theres a thin line between having unpopular takes and just being negative and rude. Most people who claim to "tell it how it is" are just looking for an excuse to say irresponsible things, and the worst part is they're rewarded for it with attention.

This maybe an unpopular take, but as someone that follows csgo from early 2014, i actually liked Thooorin the whole way. I like the controversial takes. I like that he doesnt pick and choose what he says he just says it no matter what how outrageous it is. Unfortunatelly for most people the "wrongs" he does will always overshadow the huge amount of great work he did for CSGO as an Esport.

Wow I never knew he made tweets defending Alex Jones post Sandy Hook, that's a special kind of fucked up. And his excuse is just dumb. "I wouldn't claim to know enough about the Sandy Hook shooting. I don't know what why he said what he said, but I believe he has since said he was wrong about it". Maybe do research about subjects like this before making comments about them then? You'd think a journalist would understand this

Seeing that Destiny and Thorin at one point on a podcast together is insane LOL

Loved the conclusion - awesome video!

20:45 never let your enemy know your next move

When Thorin is professional he is by far my favorite esports related figure. Guy offers years of insight and always stands by the players. I just wish the dude would have deleted twitter years ago.

I never heard of this guy before (like actually) and holy 11 minutes in, there is so much lore. It feels like 100 years worth of information lmao

Hey Zeus, Love the Videos. Wanted to start a channel similar to this one, and Disrupt. Wondering what microphone your using / recommend, would mean alot!

When you said "How has this star-analyst turned into a such wildly disliked guy" is expected you just gonna say "twitter" and end the video right there

Ive always loved listening to his "counter points" podcast. Havent done so in a few years tho but I never realised he was so hated back then

Keep making videos, I'm excited for source 2 coming for release and I'm wondering how it's gonna affect the market and you're the best one to explain that

the banger runescape music in the beginning....I'm already hooked haha

Either he has L takes or BASED takes, there's no in-between

if thorin hasn't blocked you on twitter, what are you even doing with your life?

So much research and footage has flown into this video wow!

Ah, worst comes to worst, he can always do case unboxing videos!

It's a lot easier to like people like Thorin and Richard Lewis if you don't follow or pay attention to their twitter. Just from a content perspective, their desk work during tournaments, their interviews, articles, podcasts and things were always some of the best in the esports scene. But they are both constantly on twitter and have a need to engage and argue on there was always going to either eventually burn them out on the scene or destroy them. It's a shame as I always appreciate people willing to call out org's, players, and anyone else for bullsh*t or playing badly/not doing enough and I don't think we get enough of that outside of them.

Very nice video, kinda new to csgo lore or whatever but I learned a lot and enjoyed it. Love the effort and KZfaq better not do some funny business with add revenue here

Heyzeus casually referencing animes thinking all his viewers understand the context baffles me xD

I mean Poland is a very big part of CSGO in EU, so it's not hard to see why so many people dislike him

It’s wild to see Thorin have beef with different faction of esports. The 3 main esports I watch are CS, OW, and CoD…he(and Richard Lewis) had some form of issues with all 3, multiple times. I think it’s that he is a decent analyst and has knowledge on esports but he just has so many emotional outbursts and reactions to things and just doesn’t act professional at times He makes it too easy to make fun of him and get under his skin

While this is great Its slightly disingenuous in that the "decline of his career" is based off of twitter followings and major tournament attendance. I'd be interested to hear what he could be up to from behind the scenes or outside of esports, I understand you can only go so far with investigative journalism but I bet reaching out to the guy wouldn't be hard.

Phillip made a mountain from a mole hill, saw bad feelings where there were none, and in general just outed himself as a complete weirdo.

I creased when I heard the 3kliksphillip beast, ahahahahaah "Hello...how are YOU doing" "oh shit he does talk like that"

Thorin is a good representation of esports. Ethuggery, attitude, no holds barred; all what gaming used to be before it became widespread to low competitiveness individuals

Imagine niko decided to donate the money to a charity in Poland lol that would be some trollery

Was expecting a hit piece but this was a great vid!

I could've sworn i turned down my osrs sounds, but it was your video lmao

I love thorin’s content to this day. You have to many “yes men” and people who are too scared to damage their careers to have “hot takes”. He doesn’t give a flip and I love it.

I don't agree with everything Thorin has said, as I don't with any other people, but I must admit when he is on the desk it's pretty entertaining to listen

Anyone else waiting at the end for like 5 seconds for the 'trust the numbers.." outro??? I felt like I was left hanging there lmao

Clean crisp lock, Heyzeus

if you got beef with 3kliksphilip and Moist Critikal you know you are the problem.

😂 So people just hate Thorin because he is 1. unpopular; 2. being straight, rude and upfront on things; 3. willing to speak from a different perspective than the general public. He warned us of Regi yrs ago; he told us about Danny as well; he did a long discussion on women and esports long before the whole movement began. He might be rude and direct all the time, sometimes, he speaks of the truths and that's what he does. As always, the truth is never subtle and soothing. But yeah, children are always more than the adults. A smack on the head is a wake-up call not exactly an abuse, but these days, kids will say you are abusing them anyway. Funny thing, his videos might not always have high views, but his subscriber number is growing since. In contrary, Travis is losing subscribers. Hating a man for being rude is one thing, but when he speaks of the truths, you listen to that. Who can be always right on predictions anyway? Not even Crumbz The Prophet got everything perfectly right. YamatoCannon is downright harsh on LCS PA's demands and how immature they are; Thorin at least isn't that strong on that. Also, time will tell who's telling the truth, and you know damn right, Thorin is mostly a bit closer to the truth. (But yeah, Alex Jones part, he should have just kept to talking about eSports like he does now! 😂 Never talk about something you didn't do a long hard amount of research)

gotta love the runescape background music, keep it up :)

This man really putting OSRS soundtracks on CS vids lol

It's one of those times where his personality helps in some areas and dooms him in others, he's extremly logical so when talking about Cs, joining/leaving teams etc he makes total sense because he's using information and logic, but then that also leads him to have some questionable opinions on things outside of the game that's not agreed with Like the Poland thing, he's not necessarily wrong. But he probably just shouldn't of said it

Probably the most interesting character you've covered, great video.

Haven't watched Heyzeus in awhile and somehow he sounds more Australian than back in 2020

I think he tried to put on a bit of a Jeremy Clarkson suit at 3:05 lol

I drink mouthwash when I get thirsty

Very balanced video, I enjoyed it.

It’s all about control at the end of the day Zeus it’s really about someone’s personality and ability to think and know what to do

Hi, I have a question. I was playing MM with some friends two days ago and on of them got a falchion case droped after the match. We all was confused. Is it possible to get all cases (normal + operation) droped now?

I think you missed out on one huge controversy with the "Prove it or..." that probably lead to the initial dislike received from Brazil-CS towards him concluding in burning hate ^^

I love Thorin. You might disagree with his takes and he can be petty and vindictive but his reputation for integrity is impeccable. He’s also a lot more important to the scene than people care to admit. He’s very intelligent and has given his life to the game and I for one appreciate it.

Cue Tony Montana’s monologue in the restaurant. The one after the polluted womb.

funniest thing to come out from all of this is him saying “Don’t dismiss an opinion from an industry veteran with connections and relationships with women for countless years”

Thorin really showed his true colours in the petty feud he had with 3kliksphilip

Some of the content he makes is still best in the industry like the Reflections podcast. I really like the fact that he sometimes have guests from Quake about whom no one has ever heard and tells their story.

this boutta be good video fr

If game journalists dislike him, he must have done a lot right.

Thorin and RL are pretty similar in that both have done so much for esports but both manage to basically piss off everyone they interact with online for the weirdest reasons while still maintaining an ego about their achievements

Of course most of these occurred on Twitter.

Bro just showed his Login username 1:05 btw big fan :)

The way I see Thorin is that he has a deep knowledge and history of the games he focuses on, however, he doesn't always arrive at the right conclusions.

Thorin is a thorn in everyone's side.

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Holy shit i didnt think this video would involve shoe and armoredskeptic lol

There’s also the whole history of Thorin’s interactions with the CIS scene. Literally everyone in CIS hates his guts, cause he is one of those people that kept fighting to merge the CIS and EU qualifiers, by saying that all the CIS teams except Navi are shit and wouldn’t stand a chance. He was continuously proven wrong, by Espada, Entropiq, DreamEaters, Vega, Winstrike, Spirit, Gambit, VP, even Flipside at a certain point…

In conclusion: Thorin is an edgelord who can’t take a joke, literally still stuck in 2016

the way that you say Thorin is extremely unusual

anybody else notice the similarities with Duncan "thorin" shields and Thorin Oakenshield? lol

11:35 Let's not act like that wasn't kinda funny though

thorin did a lil trolling thats all

Ahh this would explain why you had these guys in your subbox on your stream hehehe. ;)

It's also interesting to see that he's become so outspoken in the league community also, to which he knows much less about the game and is also hated by the average fan

The only issue I have with thorin is how much he pretends to understand in esports while somehow being completely lost, being called the esports historian is his title because dude lives in the past I swear to god

Huh, I didn't know anything about the guy. Wish I could go back to that

love it. keep up the esports content

love the runescape music in the background

he was a pretty funny guy,i enjoyed him, hope to see more of him in the future maybe

Never liked the guy, but atleast before he had some credibility to him. But now he and Richard Lewis just seem really really bitter and grumpy old dudes.

Just wanted to tell you that the link to your top videos playlist in the description is broken.

We didnt even manage to touch on the kngv and Shaq exchanges...

What is even funnier about Thorin was his Antwerp pick'em's. He failed to get 5 correct during the challenger stage - literally the first stage 😂🤣💀

The most interesting part of this video is how bad it makes Slasher look. Dude has one comeback, and it’s “you make the esports community look bad.” I’ve always disliked Thorin because, to me, he’s always seemed very arrogant, which I dislike; but this video managed to make me lose respect for Slasher, too, which is impressive.

You missed the thorin video on moe and luminosity and the things those players said about him when he called out their breach of contract

The villain not afraid to make unpopular things? well we got sjokz for that now

The only reason why people like thorin are either: People who like edgy unfiltered people or People in arguments where they use thorins takes to help their opinion