I think the community has also became a bit of a parody of itself by this point. Its basically like a combination of HK community that went fucking insane because Silksong hasnt come out in 5 years by now, and Apex Legends community that is so unbeliveably salty that they just cant shut the fuck up for 5 seconds without bitching and complaining about some extremely specific thing Respawn changed and how it "ruined the game" (this happened at least 10 times and that game is only a couple years old.) And for once its not about the major community figures (for the most part at least), its more about the common people in it. Tons of people bitching about everything in this game, a lot more getting hyped because Valve employee breathed in a specific way they breathed back in 2016 (possible heavy update soon?), people who watched a youtuber and just fucking, copy paste their opinions and make it their whole personality to quote it, The entire sniper is bad vs sniper is good war, Shitting on Overwatch because "haha game bad" (their game is ignored so much its not even playable anymore on official modes), People who make TF2 their entire personality, god i could go on and on. I've been in this community for over 12 years by now. And im just so fucking embarassed to even admit im a member of this community because it got pretty horrible and insane, in contrast to even 2019/2018. Part of me gets it, but the other part is just slamming their head against the wall whenever i see another tf2ber claim that "tf2 has the most welcoming and wholesome community" . And then you enter a random match and find people just casually using heavy slurs, saying some of the dumbest and racist shit just to be edgy and yeah generally it feels like its still 2009 there, and not in a good way. Game's good though.

"Valve has ADHD on a corporate level" Never seen a more fitting line in my life.

let's not forget that TF2 comic #7 still hasn't come out

>youtuber make a video about how TF2 is dying >Valve fuck up by touching tf2 and Accidentally make an U P D A T E >community hype >nothing for 4 months/years >TF2's perpetual cycle begins again

When you mentioned the fact that blizzard and other companies remove fun unintended mechanics, I couldn't help but remind myself of the fun times where as Lucio, you could spam your wallride by using the scroll wheel to jump, which propelled you forwards at very high speeds. Obviously, they removed it and changed it so that there is pretty much no skill needed to master wallriding.

I mean, the bots themselves are also padding the numbers since each bot account is counted as one of the "active players"

Soldier said it himself, they're gonna live forever. This community is something seriously special.

Man remember when infinite shield control was just a bug? and instead of fixing it they gave the effect to a new weapon? I miss that Valve

They made bots that act like players two weeks ago - they're all-class and randomly switch primary/secondary and use team chat when being kicked and know how to taunt

14:04 THANK YOU, finally someone calls tf2 a "class based shooter" that is the correct terminology. As much people like the meme "tf2 vs overwatch" they are so different, Overwatch is a hero shooter (one character with one set of abilities with cool down, more of a fps moba). "tf2 is 12v12 chaotic casual shooter themed with 60-50 industrial America with hint of retro futurism and spy tech of the time." -me from observation through the years. a "class" is character that defined by his loadout with primary (main item) secondary (weaker or serve as utility) melee (self explanatory but sometime serve as utility), you got few exceptions in tf2 like engineer spy and medic. (or demoman with two primaries)

EMESIS BLUE MENTION ‼️‼️ WHAT THE FUCK IS LETTING PEOPLE DIE⁉️⁉️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥

Love the use of the SolarLight's clips for the trimping, the OG demonkight tf2

This is an excellent video. Everything that you said was what got me into this game, the characters with their strong personalities, the tons of fun that you can have...I've been playing for years and everytime that I play there's almost always something unpredictably funny happening. This is a game that we all love and desperately want it to keep having success, but as you stated correctly, there's so much that the community can do. Here's to hope for a Source 2 update. PS: A música no fim apanhou-me desprevenido, bom ver que ainda temos pessoal interessado no nosso país :D

they're actually updating tf2's engine right now! but not to source2 but instead a newer model of the source engine! previous limits to entities are now going to be effectively infinite which means the 100 player servers could actually have more, the update might actually fix some source bugs, and more!

TF2 is one of the few games I actually have FUN playing and it's really sad to see such huge potential being wasted by Valve. Just imagine how many new things could be added, changed or fixed. I guess that if TF2 was updated on a regular basis, it could match the current popularity giants such as Fortnite, League or others. I don't know any other games that have so many animations, memes, creators and communities that are so dedicated to the game

Many of the reasons given to say why TF2 doesn't die fit perfectly into Apex, the only difference is that in Apex we don't have the community creating different modes, but instead we have championships that are always happening, which makes the game very good competitively, I think. that in addition to ow and tf2 apex suffers from the same problem, a company that cares little about your game

You said Valve has ADHD on a corporate level...You're absolutely right! Valve works like this: They don't tell it's developers what to do! They just say "Welcome to Valve, you can work on this,this this this and this. But if you can get enough people hooked on your own idea, you can work on your own idea!" Which means devs just...Do whatever the hell they want And since TF2 is filled with old code and the devs that worked on it are no longer interested, there's no one new that's interested in continuing to actively update the game Rly the best we can hope is someone there decides to make TF3

"The Phlog" if properly used, it can be a monster

Just dropped in to mention, Valve just made a major update to the game client (32 bit to 64 bit). Yeah, that sounds silly but it means the game can use more than 4 GB of RAM and performs better overall, so it's something.

SaveTF2 was hilariously underwhelming, just became another reddit fad like the area 51 thing

7:57 not to mention that the rocket jump was also originally a bug that Valve turned into a feature

So.... Turns out the real reason that TF2 is so popular is due to the number of players being artificially inflated by bots. About three quarters of the "players" are bots. The overwhelming majority of them idling. So only a very small amount (if I remember something like 3, or 0.3?) of those bots are actually cheaters. Somebody who works at Valve even admitted to Uncle Dane that they had to delete thousands of accounts. Accounts which just returned a couple of days later. The rising player count is due to Valve putting less and less effort into cracking down on these bots. This doesn't mean TF2 is dead, the player count isn't decreasing. It just hasn't increased since the last update either. Tf2 is just.... Kinda limping along. Very much in need of medical attention.

They just released the windows x64 beta and its pretty nuts. Im getting double fps personally and thats on a lower wnd machine

valve recently released the x64 version of tf2 as a public beta, which seems to also heavily limit linux modding of it and such, making bots for said version an absolute nightmare which might finally fix the bot issue, or at least severely downgrade them, also it makes the game crash less, has much less memory leaks, and has a better boost in fps while it isnt a major update done by valve themselves, its imo what the game needed the most for the longest time now

Honestly the main problem is the bots. Last time i played this weekend every single server had bots out of the blue like they all decided to attack at once. Some servers i joined were literly just all botsand 1 other player. Sometimes just a full lobby of me and bots. Fuckin sucks cause this game is a masterpiece and i love it.

0:41 Bots. Lots of bots. Trading, case farming, the kind that invades servers and makes the game unplayalbe. All kinds of bots. They were first the demise of TF2 trading, and now they are the demise of this whole game.

Great video, amazing production, and great job summing up the state of the game in a refreshing way that doesn't feel stale. You deserve recognition Silva.

About 12 years ago, I was playing some random map on some random day with people I didn't even know. Somehow, the stars aligned and slowly, every single player on my team eventually switched to Scout and ran around the map only using their bat. This turned out to be the most hilarious and engaging round of any game I've ever played, still to this day. Everything came together so perfectly and the enjoyment of seeing it go down was just beautiful. Needless to say (can't remember if we were defending or attacking), my team of all Scouts ended up winning the round and a brief ten minutes of my life was branded into memory forever. This sort of nonsense is what makes this game awesome.

Wow ive never ever seen the Loose cannon tide turner jump... 4:24

Unfortunately tf2 will never be put on source 2, as Valve has only shown that they're only willing to let the contractor upgrade it to a 64 bit build of the game.

Oh my god the editing. Oh my god the sound... Oh my god the visual aspects of this video... My god. If I only had the will to actually make something new, I'd want it to be just like this video right here. Great job man. Great job.

watching this video after watching tf2 Nobody's home. It made me realise when he said olayer numbers where rising.. he was wrong, he dosent know that botnets are 70% of those numbers. Christ why did we think it was doing well when in reality there both doing badly.

4:20 holy mother of jesus that is the Holiest, goofiest, greatest and most amazing demoman strif i´ve ever seen IN MY WHOLE LIFE HOLY JESUS!

I knew next to nothing about tf2 before this video, it's interesting to see how many similarities there are between tf2 and ow with their mismangement and missed opportunities, despite how much the two communities cannibalize each other. As an old Evolve player I can relate to how awful it feels to see one of your favorite games just be straight up abandoned. ;w;

era teu sub por causa do vídeo do Lopes , vi este vídeo nos recomendados e nem reparei que eras tu , és o primeiro tuga que vejo a fazer conteúdo em inglês de qualidade , continua o bom trabalho !

Well that's the thing. Funke said it best "TF2 will never be alive it's *UNDEAD"* No matter how many times you kill TF2, it always comes back. We will always bring it back, make it stay

Bro used the most obscure JJBA soundtrack and thought I wouldn't notice 05:40

If you _do_ end up making a video about MvM's "wave 666" or "Nightmare Mode" or whatever you want to call that map, you _better_ talk about its harder variation to help spread awareness of it If you don't know, you can call a vote to change it to the harder variant. Most notable problem I've seen with it is how that variant isn't part of the selectable map pool from the main menu, so don't expect any randoms to join in-progress

A very nice and well made video, keep going mate

I think the perfect example of Valve actually embracing tech errors is the Tide Turner. People found out they could get full turn control while charging with a shield, and Valve did not just fix it, but made a new weapon specifically for that purpose.

WOW, THIS DIDNT AGE WELL. THIS CAME OUT 2 MONTHS BEFORE THE BIG 64 BIT UPDATE

valve hired a private contractor and they've been making a 64bit update since jan 23.

Perai, bom video obvio, mas agr uma música TUGA no final é que não tava à espera what ihhogsudrhgiush

Honestly, I never really thought about it that much, but you mentioned it, even though it's arguably kind of obvious. *in TF2 you normally play in a team of 9-12* This means that there is much less pressure on players as individuals, and contributes to the casual culture of the game as a whole. Being able to piss about doing whatever you want, whenever you want, is a huge benefit of TF2, which no other online multiplayer game has been able to capture successfully.

Different playstyles of classes are called Subclasses. There are a bunch of them and the Demoknight mostly relies on The Tide Turner and The Eyelander.

Can we stop trying to say that tf2 has high player counts? It has been proven over and over again that it is roughly 70% idle bots

love the editing style, its like BIll Wurtz editing but less chaotic (seriusly like i love ur editing)

It’s been a few months since I last played and when I started playing again last week I noticed that there was bots of various classes such as heavy and scout, when I was used to seeing a bunch of snipers with the occasional medic bot. They weren’t spamming chat or blasting music in VC, and their usernames were unique. That was until they had enough bots to stop themselves from being votekicked, at which point they switched to sniper and started blasting VC and chat. Is this a new thing or have I somehow not ran into them within the 6ish months I’ve been playing the game?

I've been part of the TF2 Community since 2016, so I guess that makes it 8 years now... I wanna talk about the community, I have all the time in the world to talk about things and I'm in the mood for it at the moment, but before that, I just wanna say something first. I still love TF2 despite acknowledging the horrible state it is in which this community has also been experiencing. I guess what I love about TF2 is everything that was ever good about it, the characters, the game itself, the lore, the memes, the SFM animations, even TF2 youtubers that I have respect for, and then there's the community that I dearly love so much... which I realized has somehow turned insane as some people claim, but as a tf2 member who has avoided the toxic side of this community and only sticked to the good and harmless side of it which thankfully is still keeping up, I've never really noticed, but now that I have, I just feel bad about it. The first things that I would consider bad for the community were cheaters and toxic players who play in casual matches and also some controversial Tf2ubers with a dark background, but as for heavy slurs, thankfully I haven't been seeing a lot, but I don't doubt there are some players filling the chat somewhere in another server where other people might've seen a lot. I've always took the phrase, "TF2 has one of the most welcoming and wholesome community" to heart, and I've always been very happy to see new players playing TF2. Although recently, the community hasn't been... so welcoming and wholesome for a while like some people have claimed. And so I was wondering if I have been missing out a lot on the other side of this community all this time. Because I've only ever sticked to what was positive about TF2 and its fandom, I've only noticed a genuinely loyal community who just loved memes and silly things while still playing their beloved game despite in its hardships, so I was still genuinely proud to say that I am a part of this community, but now I've also seen some older TF2 fans who regret and even say they are embarrassed to have even been a part of it, which just makes me really disappointed. This was the thing that scared me. Seeing as how the wholesome the TF2 community can be sometimes, then someone state that they're actually pretty horrible that they feel ashamed to admit that they were even a member of it, that I now also feel ashamed and embarrassed myself. Stuff like this where it feels like I'm collateral damage and criticized for other people's behaviors because they're part of the same community, just makes me feel horrible about myself for something I actually love being a part of. I mean, please don't hate me for it, I'm just trying to be a welcoming and wholesome TF2 member for other everyone. All things has its pros and cons, bright side, and dark side, and I think I'm good enough to consider myself as the Welcoming and Wholesomeness of the TF2 Fandom, I still don't want to be associated with the toxicity of the TF2 Community who spout racial slurs and trash talking, especially when there are still a few decent and innocent Tf2 members who haven't turned completely insane and actually reject those things. Considering how the community itself has become such a mess, it's clear that I can no longer recommend people to become a part of the TF2 community, but to those who are still interested, I'd say join at your own risk. It's come to my attention that people now have to be warned of the insanity a majority of TF2 members have developed over the years of abandonment and neglect from Valve, and try and avoid whatever negativity they would face inside the TF2 fandom. Sometimes it's better to be naive to what is happening around you, and just focus on what's important, which is enjoying TF2 as a whole, whether if it's the game itself despite its crisis, the memes, the animations, the Tf2ubers who are actually kind and decent, as long as you get to love TF2. I've learned that you don't have to love the whole community, but if you want, you can, just that you could choose to ignore all the negativity that might affect you mentally and emotionally, but always focus on what good it has to offer and all the positive vibes that it radiates, and it's best to just go there and stay there as much as possible, that's the opposite of the Community's Hellish side. Right now, I don't know how to feel about the TF2 Community. One thing's for sure, it can be a bit... like a Spy who disguises himself as your teammate. I for one felt a little bit hurt and betrayed. It can be welcoming as well as wholesome at times which I suggest you stick to that part of the community where those kinds of people still exists, but at the same time, it can also just suddenly become something else, like a creepy person who's pretending to be wholesome and welcome you into their creepy place to lure you in, or sometimes just straight up crazy and annoying because they can't stop being loud.

Yo what song is at 5:38? Thanks. Edit: found it; its Syakunetsuno Honno by Yugo Kanno

It helps that the roots of TF2 dates back to it being a Quake mod, where rocket jumping itself was a new and unintended (probably?) feature.

What i loved about TF2 was that if i died from a demo knight or trolidier that did some insane stunt i would want to try and recreate it and that was fun

2:00 Hideous Mass about-to-slam sound spotted

Thank you for taking time to mention just how immature, baseless and dumb the TF2 vs Overwatch beef is. Everyone is allowed to have a preference in which game they think is better overall, and debate / compare the differences, but this whole ''argument'' just comes across as insecure to me. I LOVE TF2. I love it so much. But this specific ow vs tf2 debacle was started almost entirely by the TF2 community (majority of overwatch players literally dont even know this is an ongoing thing let alone even know what tf2 is / barely played it if they did) and it's so pathetic because just as you mentioned it, TF2 is also on the same bleak downward spiral overwatch has been on. Maybe the process of reaching that downfall was different for both, Blizzard honestly seemed attentive, but utterly ignorant and clueless as to where to take overwatch 's game design AND balance. (Hell even lore.) Meanwhile valve on the other hand is almost radio silent and engaging in direct abandonment. They are just keeping the status quo of TF2 going and that's all they're willing to do. I know people often try to attack something else in an effort to cope about the erosion of another thing they love, but it's shitty behavior that needs calling out, and that attention needed to be directed at valve, but it's all too late now. Great video man

@SilvaMilon the increase in numbers of TF2 player count are actually bots. 70% of the player count are bots as every bot is also counted as active player.

Who remembers watching Mr.Paladin's videos for Spy tips?

A spiritual successor by a team that loves the property feels like a much more promising venture to put stock in over a tfs2 or similar sequel/upgrade done in-house... especially since I've heard from others that valve doesn't like to touch team fortress because of the community being somewhat rabid in response to any change. Like, the whole sniper debate is heated, and thats without any actual changes to the man actually happening.

What future videos do you plan to make?

I've given up on this game, sold my collectors stuff. adios sadly.

really nice editing style its kinda simple but interesting or something

Such an underrated youtuber I love the content

Unfortunate to see a masterpiece get left in the dust

epic cat outro made me subscribe instantly

I'd honestly play more if competitive TF2 wasn't completely dead. As much as people like the casual aspect of TF2, it can be overwhelming to face dozens of duplicate classes even in a casual environment. That's only fun to me for maybe 30 minutes before I wanna do something else. I like the more controlled environment of ranked modes allowing me to learn and master the game at a proper pace, but I just haven't found a place like that in TF2.

Valve has SO much money. They could support this game and still be richer than anyone can even imagine. It's so sad why they just don't care about making games anymore.

Oh boy its like this game isn't already a zombie

i love how the first thing i did once playing this was to go on steam charts and see how it has more players then some countrys have residents

The way I see it, TF2 is like that beater 1996-era car that your one friend has. It's got over 370,000 miles, survived the most thorough beating you've ever seen, in no small part thanks to the friend who drives it literally everywhere and anywhere; the paint's chipped, the metal's tarnished, the seats are torn and ripped, it's literally been dragged through the mud many times over, and yet the thing still drives just fine, despite it's _cosmetic_ troubles.

Another masterfully made video. When you mentioned OW removing cool techs i realized how actually right that is. Bastion is my favorite character in overwatch and Tank Form rocket jumping to get into cheeky spots or dive bomb the enemy was by far the best part about him. Not all we have is one grenade that doesn't even feel satisfying to jump with, and a boring ass ultimate that is easily countered since everyone has movement now. Games need to start embracing the fun bugs in their game and keep them. The Genji wall-bug was an excellent example of that.

pain.

11:30 BRO, i remember Che! it's been like a million years since i've played with him!

i find it funny the textures look the same after years. kinda low quality but has its charm

its playercounts are only up because of the bots, how have people not realized this...

TF2s playercount is mostly bots lmao You can tell because it doesn't fluctuate during the day like basically any other game. There's around 100,000 accounts online at any given time however only about 15-20k are real people. The annoying cheater bots only make up a small percentage, with the majority being idle and trading bots.

Cs2: Gets and update/released Tf2: NO IT SHOULD'VE BEEN ME

7:10 that sound just gave me ptsd from Evil Factory lmao

valve is killing tf2 by not having added mauga to it

tf2 doesn't need any more updates in my personal opinion. Some performance patches and updates to vac would be the best.

I would love to see a Team Fortress Remastered of some sorts. Keeping the voice lines, the og gameplay mechanics that people used, fixing the sometimes random hitboxes and trying to maintain the visuell aspect of the game in tact. This could also fix the ingame economy by releasing a new game. Of course they could fix some of the issues in TF2 but not everything cam be fixed in the old engine.

7 years ago, Uhhh... I remember the time I played Tf2 for the first time. I hoped into a casual match as a heavy completely clueless of what to do?, how to attack?, where is the enemy? etc.. but i still remember a guy who was staring at me (he was playing demoman) and had cosmetics and he was staring me from top to bottom, i think he find out that i was a "Freakin Neo" and he was typing in chat to follow him so that he can take me to enemy base. The times..❤. Today, its messed up. Nowadays, hardly people have time to play TF2 and when they join the match there is atleast one man... Atleast one freakin bot killing the entire team and ruin your experience. Time changed a lot and even TF2 has, but in a disgusting manner 💔💔

Reminder that valve released crates (gambling for kids) alongside manco at a point in time where more than 70% of the playerbase was made up of children. I fell for it as a kid and develop gambling tendencies because of it. I still remember doing the kid equivalent of selling the house to gamble and trading my entire collection of 40+ tiny little green slug pyro hats for keys just to be able to gamble. Wanna know why I fell down that hole? Because before selling my entire collection, I had managed to unbox an unusual. It gave me a rush so intense that I sold my entire inventory to be able to gamble. I was 12 at that point. I would lie to my parents and ask them for money to buy "games" when I was infact buying keys to gamble. People who defend tf2 are delusional fanatics. I have never seen a single tf2 fan actually criticize valve for doing this, despite how repulsively immoral it was. I take full resppnsibility for my actions as an adult. Is it my fault if I go out and gamble and lose thousands of dollars? Absolutely. But was it my fault as a kid? Absolutely not. I was preyed on by valve and so were thousands upon thousands of other children, and demented tf2 asslickers will keep defending valve till the day they die. Do not argue with TF2 fans. They do not live in the same reality as we do.

The tf2 community needs to wake up and realize their game is long gone. Its not the cheaters, the hackers, or even the bothoster's fault. It's valve, and there is nobody else to blame. Its not hard to take the hint and *play a different game.* "but tf2 is what i wanna play" I wanna play club penguin but I cant now can I?

the different playstyles of classes in tf2 make it more chaotic not specifically a good thing more of a preference between congruence and rng

The only game where I'm constantly respawning, but I'm laughing and joking around with my assailants the whole time. "thaaaats it, thIS TIME IIIIIIIIII'M..." *somehow killed again

This is an AI generated video

As much as I love this game, it’s really not hard to see where it falls flat (ie the bots, horribly balanced weapons/classes etc), and as much as I would love to see some renaissance era by Valve where they put their heart and soul into even one more update, every day I lose a little more hope. Out of everything I want for this game and community, If I were to pick just one, it would be communication. If Valve just up and said “Hey, this is the last update we will ship for this game, and after that we’re done.” Although that would be sad to hear, I feel most would agree that they would prefer that to complete radio silence from Valves end. From, Someone suffering from chronic stalkholm syndrome :)

I think that another problem why Valve doesn’t want to do anything with TF 2 is that its code is a mess like remember when there coconut.jpg was found in the game files

"But they also introduce each character perfectly both in terms of personality and GAME PLAY" (proceeds to show engineer with 4 sentries) 2:26

"TF2 community, we hear you! We love this game and know you do, too. We see how large this issue has become and are working to improve things.” *-May 2022* :)

What a beautiful and well done video ! Thanks bro

Mvm community is soooooo toxic dude, if a mission doesn't fit the mvm guide team class advices, 2 of the 6 player will leave the server even if your gameplay is based on this damn guide 50% of my lobbys end with 2 ppl waiting for new players (only in official mvm, the boot camp is really fun tbh)

i wonder if theirs gonna be a tf3 valve has secretly working on

Only thing i dislike about community maps is that the most populated servers host the sane map pool. Great maps fall to the wayside.

This game is constantly going between life support, and beating what ever disease it had, then going back to life support. Constantly repeating the cycle, yet still remaining extremely popular.

pretty alright video , missed a couple of important details here and there but overall not bad

1:59 i think im scarred because anytime i hear this sound i think of a big grey man throwing a bright yellow ball at me

13:50 What you mean? Valve is planning to update TF2 to 64-bit, they might not update it to Source 2, but still, this is huge improvement and it means that Valve don't give up on TF2.

You're a brave man for saying this, and honestly it's true... I love this community and want to be in it but i can't due to all the issues (mostly being unable to fucking play a match)

anyone able to tell me who the first couple other KZfaqrs were at the beginning I recognized one of their voices when they got head shot by a sniper as heavy

nowadays, my servers (brazil and sometimes chile because matchmaking) dont have sniper bots anymore, actually they're filled with heavy bots, same stuff, spamming vc, names like "Rolph" and "You've been Wreck-rolled"