NEW OUTBOARDS ARE JUNK!!! (GENERATION 1 PROBLEMS)
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Жыл бұрынNEW OUTBOARDS ARE JUNK!!! (GENERATION 1 PROBLEMS)
We are back with another video highlighting the bad within the industry because well.....that's what y'all like! You like the honestly and we like poking the bear. Metaphorically of course! Today we discuss the common issues with a list of outboards in their first model year or generation 1. Powerhead bolt failures to Oiling Issues these problems plagued these motors until their manufacturer fixed them in their 2nd Generation. Comment below if y'all have had any of these outboards and what your experience has been like.
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@jmac6242 Жыл бұрын
Thank's Andy. I really appreciate the Opti input. You always have great information and go above & beyond for your customers, just you were in Texas. Keep On Keepin' On!
@theycallmecollins Жыл бұрын
Great video dude! It actually little bit relieving as well LOL. I recently purchased a used Phoenix with the 225 Pro XP and I'm happy to hear that there aren't any major issues with them. Thanks for the video!
@terrieb24 Жыл бұрын
200 hours on my 2022 250 V8 merc. Motor has been sound. Lower...not so much, upper seal gone at 36 hours....probably assembled on a Friday. Merc replaced and wanted it back. Replacement broke a prop shaft running full tilt without hitting anything.....fade to black! Had a defect in the shaft. Broke just outside the rear seal. Merc again took care of it including the prop. replaced with a different shaft and prop nut setup. Running the Florida grass, cant brag more about the performance! Great video guys!
@maddgoatee9708 Жыл бұрын
Love all this info, great video
@jakefarber4090 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Keep up the good work
@robertdouglas9345 Жыл бұрын
Preach it Brother! Great vid!
@TheLandPirates1 Жыл бұрын
Yep, Im still pissed Evinrude is gone. 🤦🏻. Great channel gents 🏋🏻♂️
@LucasBoone318 Жыл бұрын
That's why when my Ficht went out on me, my 2000 Stratos got a 2023 SHO. Tested and proven with the bugs worked out.
@tracywest1922 Жыл бұрын
My 2020 Suzuki 250SS just rolled 440 hrs with the only problem I have had was the nut on the cowling latch backed off. It's been a great engine so far on my ChampioN 203. Best outboard I have owned and I have had Optimax, and an EFI, an Evenrude Etc 225, a Johnson 200 and an Evinrude 115 and a 35 along with a Yamaha 20 4 stroke and a 25 Merc elec start.
@petejablowski2123 11 ай бұрын
In Massachusetts all the commercial salt water guys run Yamaha or Suzuki . The salt kills the Mercury’s I’ve seen it 100 times
@cagsanozbek4210 4 ай бұрын
2020 and 440 hours ? Then you must be going office everyday with your boat!....
@williamblackwell1650 Жыл бұрын
I bought a new 2022 Caymas CX21 with Merc 250, at about 15 hours i noticed that same crack in housing, didn't hit crap I know of.... of course Mercury did not honor it under warranty, and I had to file insurance claim as I hit something to get it fixed... BS... but with all the trailer issues, performance issues with CX21... I traded in in this year for new Blazer 650 and with Merc of course, and bit the bullet.... love your content and videos...
@glennross3521 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2000 Mercury 225 hp Optimax where the power head blew. Got a rebuilt 98 power head for it along with an upgraded compressor. Only issue I have had since then was the belt tensioner pulley went out and got that replaced. I believe my mechanic said that was a recall item back in 2006 (?) but I can’t remember. Thanks for the videos!!
@Skits_Missions Жыл бұрын
Yea those alt belts would fail on all of them. And took ages to get on top of.
@ditchpicklefishing5661 Жыл бұрын
I’m surprised the locating pin issue on the HPDI wasn’t mentioned. I personally experienced it and doing research I feel like it was it’s number one failure point. Also, the SHO doesn’t didn’t drop out until 09-10 as far as I was aware.
@andrewkelly9275 Жыл бұрын
Worked on a 19 merc 150 four stroke with a bad alternator. Not charging and drawing 3.5amps. Have seen the starter issue on the new v6/v8. Trim/starter relay issues (mostly the 75-115) Trim sender issues on a bunch of them.
@catlifeoutdoors6369 Жыл бұрын
Missed the g2 flywheel magnet falling out eating stator issues. Lots of people looking for flywheels and of course injectors and emm’s.
@OZD-mb2bs Ай бұрын
I have ran the guts out of my 20hp Tohatsu EFI for over 600hrs and it runs perfect. Great video BTW!
@corey87mattson41 Жыл бұрын
My 98’ Mercury optimax 150DFI has been reliable I’m ready to make the switch to a 175SS Suzuki.
@garrettsmith6886 Жыл бұрын
If you talk to the guys from Jet-Marine, I have the Merc PRo XS 150 from 2022 and it had less than 30 hours on it and blew the powerhead out of it. Jet-a-marine took good care of it though.
@scottshipley7376 Жыл бұрын
2019 150xs 4stroke.. Thermostat stuck open causing milky oil in the winter.. Alternator pulling 2.4 amps with the key off...
@Etec86 Жыл бұрын
I’ve put over 600 hours on a 2013 150 Etec gen 1 and it has always got me from A to B and back. Best motor I have ever owned. My next will likely be Suzuki.
@kencleg7721 9 ай бұрын
Sounds like u didn’t let it sit around
@shaneyule3484 8 ай бұрын
exactly the same as me.
@duanehenderson3474 8 ай бұрын
Evinrude are good motors you just have to run them
@BassFishingFanaticTV Жыл бұрын
If you make a t-shirt with an outboard on it which says “road hard put up….” You’ll make a small fortune. Just send me a small piece of the pie lol. Or some free merch haha! Great video.
@murf77donnelly33 9 ай бұрын
Love my 98 150 optimax... runs my nitro 185 fs good..... Andy has sold me on Suzuki when I repower
@BossTech1976 6 ай бұрын
effing love this guy.
@s2MaGiK Жыл бұрын
Our new susuzki 250ss had a trim pump failure at 100 hours. Just a heads up for the shop.
@hugoglenn9741 4 ай бұрын
Had Gen 1 Verado and the 175 did had sludge in the supercharger so they had the issue also
@bigd3475 Жыл бұрын
Any more over/Unders coming out? I had an 03 225 optimax it was good til I had fuel pump problem. Then more problems happened
@patshively6094 Жыл бұрын
Great vid-Love my ZX250 W/Yamaha 250 SHO. It will get me home. LOL
@scottlutz9157 Жыл бұрын
My 2011 250 SHO with a 2016 powerhead blew up last week. 190hrs.
@johnnysaechao6218 Жыл бұрын
Repower January to 250 pro xs hope no issues 🤞🏻🤞🏻
@COUYONTV Жыл бұрын
1996 Merc blackmax 135hp, man it socks on gas but she runs great.
@slabslayer258 Жыл бұрын
My buddies 2021 pro xs had a wire harness plug or jack plug what ever you might want to call come loose and melt and motor wouldn’t start . And I purchased a 2016 skeeter with a 250 SHO and my drive shaft broke in half just above the pinion gear . Unknown use from previous owner though . Insurance came through like a champ over payed for new Yamaha gear case with new prop 😎😎 . But I drive full send every day so we will see how the new one works
@dustin9035 Жыл бұрын
Dude, dude, dude, dude……. You have to do a video on the Underboard. All kidding aside, being a Florida resident I’ll never ever see one. And please please please show us the bilge pump inside of the underboard cowling. I am really interested to learn and see this thing and you’re my only hope! Please, dudes, do a video on it!
@chuckstrange4154 Жыл бұрын
great vid. BUT what bout the EFI Merc @ strokes>>>>>>?
@j.d.saccociates3313 Жыл бұрын
I've talked about this before, i work on a fleet of whale watching boats. They're 30ft rhibs, running twins. We put about 800-1000hrs on them every year. We got a set of v6 200hp coneheads, with the seapro gearcase in 2019 now sitting at 2000hrs. Lost a trim unit from corrosion and lost an alternator. After the alternator we still had poor charging, the solution? I ran another ground wire from the alternator to the starter, bang: 14.4. I now have 4 more of the same 200hp seapro motors on my boats, so we'll see how this goes moving forward. I know some other guys ran v8 coneheads out to 4000hrs and one set to 7000hrs, that's incredible. Keep in mind our boats aren't doing 70+mph, we like to sit at 4000-43000rpm doing 30ish knots, we won't run them wide open for any real length of time...
@pugman3174 Жыл бұрын
I had 04 F150 with the balancer issue. Replaced balancer, then plastic from balancer wear went down into oil, plugged filter, and obliterated the cam on the 3rd beep.
@hugoglenn9741 4 ай бұрын
So true, finally fixed it, I have the 2012
@riverdragonmarineservice441 Жыл бұрын
I was there for the release of carbureted four strokes, ficht, hpdi, optiflops and whatever else garbage the epa forced upon us, at a dealership that sold them all. ALL of them were complete shit upon release.
@rorenking6125 4 ай бұрын
Any comments on the sea pros mercury with the blue crowlings commercial ones the 4 strokes
@brandonwoodcock4374 Жыл бұрын
I have a 200 etech on my 2007 stratos. So far only issues ive had are with the starters. I replaced 3 total, and 2 in a 6 month span. Did have to replace the lower unit, but she has some hours on her too 😂
@timcelesti5321 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2017 etec and have gone through 3 starters the last 3 years.
@brandonwoodcock4374 Жыл бұрын
@@timcelesti5321 yeah those starters are junk for real
@elevennahalf Жыл бұрын
Great video!🤣😂
@TeamMarineService Жыл бұрын
Thanks 😅
@andrewlewis9255 4 ай бұрын
New Yamahas still experiencing exhaust corrosion. Just happened on 2017 f150 with 800hrs. Meticulously maintained.
@henryclark5486 Жыл бұрын
😆 who caught that little bass? We put those back here in Georgia.
@deltabass9697 Жыл бұрын
Bass boat central is where i found my bass boat at 11pm one night 😂
@cm1190 16 күн бұрын
You covered Verado L6, did not mention the smaller L4’s?
@kirkreusch5704 Жыл бұрын
Can you guys get motors, in any kind of timely manor? Need to replace a motor on a high school team boat. 200 horsepower.
@jennifervicknair7923 11 ай бұрын
Hey what you think about a Yamaha 2006 model 115 2 stroke do you think it a good motor and do you think the auto lube system a good system
@BagChatters10 Жыл бұрын
Need a decal worth a shit that says "Speed, Money, NO BRAKES BABY", in old school scripts. I'd buy it and rock it all the way down here in North Carolina.
@user-fg5yo4nm4s Жыл бұрын
You got anything to say about 04 250 Vmax 3.1 ox66 , putting one on my 99 champ 202 , let me know if I made a bad choice
@dennisbest4979 Жыл бұрын
Thinking about repowering my 20 foot pontoon, on the Delta out of Sacramento. Follow up service was stressed in most of your videos. Suzuki dealers are almost to Oregon, and 200 miles south of San Jose. 93 70hp Evinrude on it now 17 mph... Lots of 150 merks, yamaha's and older Evinrudes, on similar Pontoons. Like the warranty of Suzuki???? Why do they make a 140 and a 150? What should the total package cost, UN UN installed. Controls, motor, and what ever you would recommend. 115 , 140 or 150 long shaft 25" . Can you sell me and ship to California ? Or pick up in Minnesota ?
@antonywardle Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Is this valid for the smaller outboard s like the 115s?
@JimbobZ17 Жыл бұрын
From what was on a previous video the smaller engines are not having issues. I don’t know of anyone having problems with a mercury 115.
@CNArea51 Жыл бұрын
Honda. Awesome. Mine is 20 years old. Still runs like a top
@JonGunnerOutdoors Жыл бұрын
I am here in LaCrosse and I see alot of mid sized engines on Tin boats (like mine) and pontoons. I run a 2004 Merc 115 4 stroke. What is your opinion on the mid sized engines being I have one and alot of Tin boat fishermen and Pontoon family's run mid sized. All brands Merc. Honda. Yamaha. Suzuki. Ect.
@mikesampson5567 Жыл бұрын
Could u talk about smaller motors. I have a 1988 Johnson gt 100 2 stroke still running strong. If I repower my motor what about a Suzuki 90 hp
@siviunative5241 11 ай бұрын
Manufacturers should take note of such mechanics
@JR-ho5qm Жыл бұрын
Good video! Yep I’m pissed Evinrude is gone 😞 Did you notice you never had much bad to say about the Evinrude G2😆. The steering issues were mostly on the early stuff. The last rendition of that motor is really, really, really good! Keep the content coming 👍🏻
@Skits_Missions Жыл бұрын
I have 2014 G2 - other than the early steering issues been at great engine. Only 650hrs so far but. 1000plus hours on my 40hp 2006 G1. Mad solid engine.
@dlaird8 Жыл бұрын
The mid 90s evinrudes were bulletproof. Loved them. The intruders were amazing.
@danieldix7669 Жыл бұрын
@@dlaird8you couldn’t blow an intruder up if you tried! But the G2 was garbage, every single person i know who has or HAD a 200 - 250 G2 put multiple powerheads on each, and the rest had one powerhead done and then repowered… the only outlier is my F.I.L has one 200 that’s still holding strong….. but he only had about 16 hours on it LOL spends most of his time on mine instead.
@knightcustombuilds6988 5 ай бұрын
1984 E25RCRD still running strong.
@JR-ho5qm 5 ай бұрын
@@danieldix7669 I think you’re talking about the first generation E-Tec. The power heads on the G2 are really good. I personally don’t know of any in my area that have blown up. And even if you look online there isint much at all for power head failures. The G1 and G2 are much different
@SystemFreak17 Жыл бұрын
my 03 Yammie 50 is still running strong. developed a noise almost like a serpentine belt in need of being replaced but it hasnt seemed to affect anything
@himsohimsom-be7fh 11 ай бұрын
Any problems with the carbs ? Mines a pain in the butt
@himsohimsom-be7fh 11 ай бұрын
Also mines a 4 stroke
@aaronrobinson3517 Жыл бұрын
Great insight. I guess I’ll stick to my 2010 opti or switch to Suzuki when the time comes
@brians.4488 Жыл бұрын
Question .... 2017 yamaha f150 lower unit. Say I drop it off and tell u wamt a brand new one. nobody deals what s it going to cost these days??
@Skits_Missions Жыл бұрын
I never saw a Optimax alternator belt / bracket not fail!
@codyhooser3333 Жыл бұрын
Great video Jordan talking about older motors for the people that watch Andy's videos every Fri. I have a 1998 VMAX 3.1 OX66 and original owner. Sank it in a tournament, got it rebuilt an barley got it broke it an my son committed suicide. It's been sitting in my garage for 5 yrs since his passing away. Can you Ask Andy if that 1998 was a good motor? I've never had any issues with it.
@TeamMarineService Жыл бұрын
The OX motors were great! 💪🏻
@codyhooser3333 Жыл бұрын
@TeamMarineService Thanks for the feed back brother. Hope y'all all have a Great Weekend 👍
@789Derek Жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear of your loss man. Mental health is just as important as physical health. Life’s not fair brother. I hope you can bring yourself to fish again. Mother Nature is nourishing and she can help heal you. God bless.
@TeamMarineService Жыл бұрын
@@789Derek Ya nailed it! We are all rooting for ya @codyhooser3333. Stay strong brother!
@kevincrawford6936 Жыл бұрын
What's my future motor problems, Andy? 2022 200hp ProXS V8 4stroke
@j.d.saccociates3313 11 ай бұрын
I checked my v6 200hp conehead motors, every starter is solid mounted? Is the rubber mount a pro XS thing?!
@baitwaitfishing7625 3 ай бұрын
I assume you know the first Yamaha where directly copied from OMC v 4and v6 right down to the casting#
@realfishingalabama-jaycroc288 Жыл бұрын
Mercury 2017 Pro XS 225 2 stroke, good, what issues I need to watch out for?
@mikecrossman4010 Жыл бұрын
Love my Yamaha sho.
@orlandoduran7740 8 ай бұрын
i keep hearing the latest suzuki 150/175/200 , lower unit pinion are breaking apart
@cagsanozbek4210 4 ай бұрын
Can you please tell which model years I should avoid ?....(mercury)
@hildablanco1591 Жыл бұрын
1972 kichiffer mercury straight 6 two stroke all USA balls
@bronzebackbrownies 9 ай бұрын
My 98 150hp vmax wont die, i brap it hard all the time and it just keeps going. Besides maintenance, i Haven't done a single thing.
@devvoid1312 11 ай бұрын
do the newer gen 1 etec that don't have the american flag graphics have the same issues mentioned?
@roynelson3207 20 күн бұрын
How are the 2024+ merc pro xs (300/300r)?
@robshields3011 Жыл бұрын
what about the lower units on the Mercury 4 stroke????2001???
@andrewkinsey6608 Жыл бұрын
What about the efi mercs like xr6 and others
@ems5886 9 ай бұрын
2002 carberated Honda 15 never had a problem with it other than paint peeling off the cover.
@hugoglenn9741 4 ай бұрын
Had a 25 Honda tiller. 3 carbs and most of them had the cracks down the jet tubes. Very sensitive the float level adjustment
@andrewcasas1234 Жыл бұрын
98 evinrude ficht 150 oil coming out the propeller any idea why
@stimsingh9361 Ай бұрын
Merc 600hps have sensor errors... loss power issues.
@minnesotawaterneckmiller5430 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2023 Alumacraft Trophy White 150 Suzuki. Feel it’s under proforming. I get 43mph with a Watergrip 15x21 at 6000 rpm.
@mjc250 4 ай бұрын
Probably about what it should b3
@kanecooper2259 Жыл бұрын
Heat soak issues on the early 2005 Yamaha i4 F150.
@kenneth9874 Жыл бұрын
Thousands of hours on one with no problems
@NathanR82 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2019 (pre covid) 115 pro xs. What’s the biggest thing to look for that y’all might be seeing?
@shelbyp4880 Жыл бұрын
A 115 has been around forever, they last a very long time just by doing your regular maintenance.
@jakenesbitt6215 Жыл бұрын
Andy - what’s your opinion on the Mercury 2.1L platform (75,90 and 115hp)? Are there many issues or are they pretty decent outboards?
@johnstrand2247 11 ай бұрын
For what it's worth, I have the 2.1 75hp and it seems to have no more power than 50hp 2 strokes that I have owned. The problem is that it has all of the weight of the 115 but they just detune the computer so that it stays well under 5000 rpms.
@zgambler1 Жыл бұрын
Not to change the subject but I heard your friends at gambler are out of business good video also. Thanks
@glenndaugherity6187 Жыл бұрын
2014 Yamaha 250 Off Shore 850 hrs !! Nothing but a timing belt so far. It’s an amazing motor ! There’s a reason when you go to places like Florida that have more boaters than anybody all you see is Yamaha and Suzuki !
@mxbass1036 11 ай бұрын
Was thinking about going 4 Rotax underboards on my center console, that would be sick.
@TeamMarineService 11 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@wazup3333 9 ай бұрын
@@TeamMarineServiceyou skipped honda?
@jaredkyzer6776 Жыл бұрын
New merc V8 need to add shift actuator as an issue.
@kenbragg120 Жыл бұрын
I never hear you mention the Mercury EFI 3.0 . What are your thoughts on it ?
@billshepard2908 Жыл бұрын
Great engine, I ran 25 years on one but it drank oil and gas. Running a Suzuki 250ss now and never been happier, incredibly smooth and sips gas.
@parker536 Жыл бұрын
What about the Merc Pro Xb?
@hugoglenn9741 4 ай бұрын
02-07 balance shaft don’t apply to V6 motors
@spencerestilette9103 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2018 115 merc pro xs with about 300 hrs with out a hicup yet. What kind of issues are yall seeing with the 115?
@liv2fish21 11 ай бұрын
Had to replace an ignition coil on mine
@Dbars19 Ай бұрын
2013 yamaha 200hp 700+ hours. being smashed accross lake ERIE ZERO ISSUES...........
@TeamMarineService Жыл бұрын
Comment below if y'all have had any of these outboards and what your experience has been like!
@leojeidy8010 Жыл бұрын
4.5 lbs. Tops. that's a 5.38lbs in my picture from pool 10. I think he's telling a fishing story 😂
@markmayon8594 Жыл бұрын
2016 mercury 225 pro xs 450hrs nothing so for running good. Hope to get 1000hrs would be nice
@coltonbriley8956 Жыл бұрын
2021v8 pro XS no issues so far. Gonna check my gear case for a crack like you said. I’ll also pay attention to my flywheel next time I pull my cowl off.
@khatlest11 Жыл бұрын
2015 Mercury Fourstroke 115. Perfect so far.
@mikegiradi Жыл бұрын
I love the channel guys! 2019 Mercury Pro XS 150. The alternator went bad at about 40 hours. It would drain the battery while not in use and wouldn’t put out enough voltage to charge the battery when running.
@crappieworldlivescanner1114 Жыл бұрын
650 hours on my 12 honda 250 not one problem just change the oil .
@aricadams7399 Жыл бұрын
Recently subscribed. Like your videos with plenty of useful info. Not sure why you felt the need to wear out the beeper with 300 F bombs on this one. Became kind of annoying.
@bakervinci163 11 ай бұрын
Damn your talking about me. I burned my Powerhead up on my 300r at 23 hours. 😂😂😎😎
@bakervinci163 11 ай бұрын
I use the piss out of mine. I’m having an oil sensor issue I think. I’ll let ya know. It’s been good
@user-hk9mz1ys1m 6 күн бұрын
So the supreme burrito court just struck down “Chevron Deference” which gave the EPA the ability to dick up our engines. Hopefully now manufacturers can go back to 1980 and make a solid engine that a man can actually work on.
@chrishampton8842 Жыл бұрын
What was the last year of the good optimal? 05 to ?
@chrishampton8842 Жыл бұрын
Optimax
@geejustfishing916 Жыл бұрын
How detuned is a 99 mercury 225 compared to newer models ?
@shelbyp4880 Жыл бұрын
The 1st generation opti max was nick named opti pop for a dang good reason. Mercury replaced thousands of those powerheads. Many...multiple times.
@josephlassiter1412 Жыл бұрын
What is the best new 350hp? I'm leaning toward the suzuki.
@rawhide3985 Жыл бұрын
Are the Honda's just that good that you never mentioned them?
@petejablowski2123 Жыл бұрын
You never mentioned the Evinrude direct injection 2004 HO . That motor is probably the best motor Evinrude ever built
@johnelsonjr.6008 Жыл бұрын
Hello. I have owned OMC Evinrude and Johnson Outboards from 5.5 , 9.9, 10, 70, 85 , 115, & a couple XP 200 . All great running Outboards. Never Owned Ficht Or Etec
@shelbyp4880 Жыл бұрын
Yes they were good... but the best, nahh. The venoms, vindicators, silver star series, fast strikes, were the best 150+hp motors omc ever made. No doubt. My opinion a 2.5 260/280 drag is the best motors merc ever made..... but hey, I love that racket.
@darnice1125 Ай бұрын
Yamaha first Gen 4 strokes, voltage regulator fails stranding you without warning.
@rtolbful Жыл бұрын
How do I get a 2x shirt ?
@tebe3240 Жыл бұрын
What about Honda ? You said Honda at the beginning then nothing?????
@petejablowski2123 Жыл бұрын
Honda is actually made by tohatsu . Most people don’t know that every brand 50 hp and under is made in a tohatsu factory. Facts
@Skits_Missions Жыл бұрын
Hahaha, Honda make the larger tohatsu engine. Not the other way.
@petejablowski2123 Жыл бұрын
@@Skits_Missions it’s a Honda v6 block in the 250 .Everything else in that motor is actually tohatsu engineered . Sorry we own a dealership in Massachusetts you’re wrong. Honda just assembles the motors
@Skits_Missions Жыл бұрын
@@petejablowski2123 😂🤣
@erichovatt Жыл бұрын
Honda sucks
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