Tech Employee Records Herself Getting Fired, Sparks Fierce Debate

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6 ай бұрын

Ex-Cloudflare employee Brittany Pietsch posted a recording of herself getting fired, and the internet can't agree if she was right or wrong to do so. Ana Kasparian and John Iadarola discuss on The Young Turks.
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"A tech company employee who went viral for filming her firing and sharing it on TikTok says her video has brought a flood of support.
“I don’t regret sharing that,” ex-Cloudflare employee Brittany Pietsch told The Wall Street Journal. “I have received so many messages of people telling me, ‘I wish I would have stood up for myself the way you did.’ "
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@TheYoungTurks 6 ай бұрын

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@mysticjedi6730 6 ай бұрын

Lindsay Shepard and this women taught many a valuable lesson..

@gregwilson8503 6 ай бұрын

No I won't give you any money.

@goodtimestv9690 6 ай бұрын

What’s up with Anna’s ears? Why does she look like she has deformed ears

@markbell9973 6 ай бұрын

@@goodtimestv9690The good old ad feminam... when arguments and facts fail. Nice brainless work. Eh?

@lewt187 6 ай бұрын

I'll sign up and pay you when you fire Anna for her anti trans statements.

@Bob_Saccamano 6 ай бұрын

Just remember, HR is never there to help you. HR is only there to protect the company from you.

@basdfgwe 6 ай бұрын

Yeah exactly.

@Gemini0611 6 ай бұрын

That's the exact role of HR😂. Nailed it there.

@xj4low322 6 ай бұрын

Had a coworker that went to HR about his manager. Within a month he was written up, put on a performance review, and fired in retaliation. Up to that meeting he had all meets and exceeds performance reviews.

@basdfgwe 6 ай бұрын

@@xj4low322 do you have unfair dismissal laws where you are ?

@alanfairbrother890 6 ай бұрын

@@basdfgwe that would be communism, socialism Marxism or is it fascism 🤔 That's what an American (usually Republican supporter) would say to worker protections. The government has no right to say who you can hire and fire, "freedom"

@lucassteinruck6986 6 ай бұрын

That's why you shouldn't feel bad about quitting without giving notice.

@lpi6608 6 ай бұрын

I gladly did it after 34 years, knowing the company only see profit. Not at all about their employees. Once it was taken over by an American conglomerate. Awful way they treat people. Just a number. Not a human being

@ayejay8862 6 ай бұрын

True. Do they wait until employees find another job before letting them go? Of course not. But I think the money issue, generally speaking, is mutual. The company is in it for the money, and the workers are in it for the money. They let you go without notice, you "let them go" without notice. It's fair. And usually, it's not even as bad for corporations as it is for employees to be let go without notice, so it's still less considerate to the employee.

@harbingeroffate9959 6 ай бұрын

Lol... Notice? That's so 1980's. I will give notice if it's a place that treated me with respect and I'm leaving on good terms. It's just the right thing to do in those cases IMO. And I like to keep those good relationships for possible future endeavors. Good co-coworkers don't tend to stick around crap employers for long, presenting opportunities to reconnect with people you trust and have a proven good track record in my book. In any other case, I'm out same day. Boss/Co-worker: "Take care, see you tomorrow" Me: "No you won't" lights match, tosses on bridge as I'm crossing to the other side. No need for accelerant. They took care of that on their own by treating employees like s**t. I'd say light a Zippo and toss it for good theatrical drama, but why waste a good Zippo on s**t people? 😎

@tonyennis1787 6 ай бұрын

You should feel bad because you're dorking your co-workers. This person simply wasn't able to close. Sales jobs are for closers, only.

@fernandosousa4657 6 ай бұрын

Did it twice. And oh, did it ever feel good.

@littleripper312 6 ай бұрын

The problem isn't that the company had to laid people off, it's how they treat people when they do it.

@MacRides1 6 ай бұрын

As I've coached my kids - this is a totally different world now. All you owe your employeer is to work hard when you are on the clock but dont' ever get comfortable with your position and for God's sake show them ZERO LOYALITY when you get a better offer. You should ALWAYS be searching for your next job. When you get a better offer bring it to your employer and tell them they have until the end of the day to match it or you're gone. Dont give them a week or more to consider it because when they downsize they will blow up your life in an instant, with zero warning. Its what they did to this young woman in the video. They made the rules for this game and you should be RUTHLESS when you deal with your employer. Do NO favors in your job unless it benefits you and always be pushing for a move up or promotion. If you "like" your job or become complacient in your role then you will be the first one that will be shown the door when they make cuts. And when you have your annual review make sure you make your direct report feel uncomfortable - push them hard for increases and when they offer you a increase tell them its not enough - your salary should be a constant negioation and make sure you win! This video also shows how companies are lazy and when they need to cut overhead they dont make hard decisions they cut personnel. This new business culture will NEVER change until this becomes uncomfortable for the company and that will only happen if everyone are ALWAYS pushing for more money and promotions. Remember, YOU are the CEO of YOUR life and career - NOT THEM.

@Arturo-Chacon 6 ай бұрын

I couldn't agree more

@CinemalecularFilms 6 ай бұрын

Hell yeah! I'll go one step further...all you owe your employer is value in return for payment for that value. If you can bring that value WITHOUT hard work, you don't owe the company anything more. What you may owe to YOURSELF may be pride in the work, the craft of whatever it is you do, but don't think for a second that if you work twice as hard that you'll be considered twice as valuable to the company. As long as those around you find you valuable, then you're meeting the requirements of the contract. If the company wants you to be twice as valuable then they need to pay you accordingly.

@LumosityGeek-wz4fe 6 ай бұрын

what LOYALITY are you talking about dude? job IS NOT A FAMILY, you get paid for skills you can offer, end of story man, whatever seems better, chose it.

@richatlarge462 6 ай бұрын

That's actually the same world it's been since the late 1990s.

@hamamunashe 5 ай бұрын

I learnt this the hard way, the downsized and i was send away like i was nothing. Luckly I took all the money they put in front of me

@JD1Sanders 6 ай бұрын

HR speak is awful. The whole corporate control of this country is garbage.

@peterhausmann8337 6 ай бұрын

It is the unregulated domination of money in this over commercialized country.

@ElvinBurnett 6 ай бұрын

The corporate word salad on that call was nauseating.

@SlurMaster9000 6 ай бұрын

Somehow that's the most irritating part. If you're gonna fire me I'd rather get a call saying "hey fuck you, you're fired!" than have to get the same message through 3 minutes of bullshit

@l.w.paradis2108 6 ай бұрын

@@SlurMaster9000 💯

@jolseywales 6 ай бұрын

Why didn’t the employee just say ok whatever FU and bye? It’s like a break up. Who cares. Next.

@johnr5252 6 ай бұрын

I was the victim of a ‘job elimination’ in 2022 after 33 years of employment with the company. I’m 67. This came as a total surprise and was done via a Zoom call. It sucks for sure, especially when I think of all the sacrifices I made for them over the years. My advice to you; do exactly what you are paid to do and do it well. But do not sacrifice your personal life. Take every PTO day you earn; don’t give back a day. The work will be there when you return. If it starts to pile up, that becomes a management problem; hire more help. When you take vacations, do not stay connected when doing so. You earned this time; enjoy yourself. If you have a something planned with the wife or kids, that must come first. The job can wait. It’s a job, nothing more. The company can cut you loose at any time for any reason. Remember that. And don’t kid yourself; age discrimination is real. Unless I want to work as a Walmart greeter, I can’t even get an interview at my age.

@shancakes5100 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing this perspective. I am a few decades younger, but I’ve been giving myself this pep talk for years. Somehow, I never seem to listen. Second, I think I am close to that chopping block myself. Only a matter of time until a robot takes me…and the 20-year olds with it. 😂 Have you considered mentoring (in a real way, not the corporate checkbox)? Seems you have a lot of wisdom to offer.

@gdiwolverinemale4th 6 ай бұрын

@@MandoLorian-gy6sd Your story is heartbreaking ... not. You were paid for doing your job. There is nothing else to it. Just like when you enter a supermarket, select what you need, pay for it, and out you go. The principle is the same. Don't make a melodrama out of it.

@matthewcaldwell8100 6 ай бұрын

@@gdiwolverinemale4th I don't know what you think being an asshole to workers gets you.

@ebby_ebby 6 ай бұрын

It’s not wise to stay at a company more than 5 to 10 years max in this day and age. It helps to job hop with lateral and occasional vertical moves to increase your chances of not getting laid off/fired.

@chaisepomme4070 6 ай бұрын

@@ebby_ebby So true. Isn't that what most CEOs do? They stay for a while, make their messes and before they get fired, jump to another company before the fallout and so on.

@foodpedlarofficial2019 6 ай бұрын

I have been a technical sales professional for 42 years. I was fired once on voicemail after 6 years with an employer. The 2nd time was after 23 years with another employer: They invited me to a sales meeting and when I arrived there was a sign in the hotel lobby welcoming our group. I went up to the meeting room and there was a huge table with 2 boss-types and another dude from HR. They read a fabricated list of why I was the worst employee ever and could not look me in the eye. I told them that I had nothing to say but wanted to talk to the stranger/HR dude as I was pretty sure he would have my severance package information. The gutless boss-types left the room, I got a decent severance and was offered a job by my biggest customer the very next day @ a higher salary. Unless you work for yourself you need to find a way to make yourself hard-to-get-rid-of. Short of that, these employers could care less.

@izzytoons 4 ай бұрын

Exactly. You have to make yourself indispensible, or at least put yourself in a position where it would be a big hassle and expsense to lose and replace you. This may very well require working well beyond 40 hours. For me it was 60-70 hours. I didn't entirely mind because at the same time I was developing myself and making myself more marketable, Plus I liked my career. If you can't make yourself indispensible, or you are unwilling to put in the time, then always be researching and lining up a plan B, because they may dump you without notice sometime.

@ainusa1534 5 ай бұрын

I kind of laughed when she says......she almost closed 3 deals.

@Michael-do6wz 5 ай бұрын

delusional children...

@izzytoons 5 ай бұрын

No, here's how it works: "you need to sell $250K in 90 days to win this job!" That's effective management/business ownership. More likely to get what you want if you're specific. And if you don't get what you want, no one's surprised. It's clearer, more effective, and fair. You won't get a video like this.

@bluex217 Ай бұрын

do you understand what she was selling and how it takes a lot longer than 90 days do make your first multi MILLION dollar sale within the realm of software enterprise. I'm a Kubernetes engineer, and a couple sales per year for any given tier of our product is the average via a team of salespeople. So listen, buttercup. The "real world" of sales is no longer door to door vacuum cleaner sales, it's a little more complex than that... All youre likely doing here is excusing another tech company for their overhiring following the pandemic, and you have no clue about it while you do so so arrogantly and conclusively

@loriputnam2723 6 ай бұрын

No employee should ever learn about their inadequate performance for the first time when they are being fired. A high-functioning company gives its workers regular reviews (especially new employees), clear expectations, an opportunity to improve, and fair warning that failure to meet certain goals within a certain timeline will result in their termination. Cloudfare is obviously not a high-functioning company.

@NoOne-yc4wl 6 ай бұрын

Odds are that her direct manager was complimentary of the steps she was taking to make sales, building a relationship, being personable, building product knowledge ect, that can develop into measurable results. Time just ran out going from quote machine to revenue generator. Entirely based on the snippet here, so big leaps without a ton of confirmed detail, it sounds like they bring on a bunch of salespeople and keep a few from the cohort. Like a 90 day paid interview.

@Vblack907 6 ай бұрын

Agree 💯

@johnbwill 6 ай бұрын

Good point.

@Apostate1970 6 ай бұрын

Her performance probably wasn't inadequate at all. That's the entire point. The reason they didn't tell her sooner is because they were fine with her right up until they decided to restructure, or to replace her with a donor's kid, or whatever else. They were just gaslighting her and providing cover to protect themselves from any blowback.

@l.w.paradis2108 6 ай бұрын

💯 perfect

@aaroncarson1770 6 ай бұрын

It's not empathy that was lacking. They still missed the point. It was transparency that was lacking. By refusing to provide reasons, and using the word "calibrate" they sounded like the archetypal evil corporation.

@Cre80s 6 ай бұрын

Exactly. Pretty sure that even if you can be fired for any reason, a reason must still be given.

@kommisar. 6 ай бұрын

I watched it and even I could understand why they fired her. She didn't close a single sale. She was a salesperson and didn't make a sale. She gave a bunch of bullshit excuses about how she was hired around the holidays and that she did good in other areas, but she was hired to make sales and didn't make one. That was the bottom line.

@Cre80s 6 ай бұрын

@@kommisar. ... then why didn't they just say that was the reason?

@lucristianx 6 ай бұрын

Had she not recorded this interaction she may have had the labor law on her side. I would’ve sought a lawyer not TikTok.

@magickdragonwizard 6 ай бұрын

She ask them why the other person was getting fired and they said they could not tell her that at least that's what I understood

@steve9021oh 5 ай бұрын

If you're in sales, you need to sale and CLOSE deals. Simple. You earn the company no money but they should pay you? For what?

@izzytoons 4 ай бұрын

That's not the point. All sales are not equal. Some things you can sell ten times a day. Others take months and months. Some you learn how to sell in ten minutes. Others take months. All we know is that her manager was very satisfied. Senior management and HR entirely screwed this up. They made no case for firing her for cause. They should have laid her off. Then they would have had some integrity. Let her collect unemployment and go to future interviews not having to say she was (wrongly) fired. You can only assume she was wrongly fired based on her manager's reviews...

@ahmed51988 6 ай бұрын

As someone outside of America this feels so weird for me. In europe and a lot of other countries, firing is never a first step to react to a problem an employee has. There is a list of gradual steps to "punish" bad behaviour, warnings are mandatory and if mistakes keep happening and keep being documented and communicated to the employee, firing can occur. "Hey, you are fired, we have no specific details to give you" is not a civil and respectable way to fire someone. Feels dehumanizing

@JuanSanchez-ik7wx 6 ай бұрын

and that exactly is the reason why this girl was so upset. It was not the loss of low paying job.

@ahmed51988 5 ай бұрын

@@JuanSanchez-ik7wx Exactly

@user-qy2wf2lt6v 5 ай бұрын

Europe is a big place, buddy!

@ahmed51988 5 ай бұрын

Fair enough, but you get what I mean. Most of the european countries share the same principles of labour rights and introduce laws against unfair dismissal. So I dont think I made a terrible generalization even if it is one.

@Adonnus100 5 ай бұрын

This sort of thing is protected by unfair dismissal laws no? America the land of the lawsuit, they aren't scared of it?

@keithkoenig5320 6 ай бұрын

I'm a Tech employee and in November, about 40 of us were outsourced to India. I worked for the company for 42 years. I am now 60 and just took a job in a different industry. I totally agree with this woman's actions. Corporate Management in EVERY industry is misguided and greedy. There will be a special place in Hell for them.

@iamdenislara 6 ай бұрын

isnt that the case with every industry and every job? Workers that used to made the stuff that is made now in china went thru the same thing. The only difference is that they didnt have a camera to record themselves being let go.

@gdiwolverinemale4th 6 ай бұрын

That is a fundamentally different problem. National capitalism worked miracles everywhere in the West. There were borders and tariffs. Then the Globalists sold the ideas of liberal democracy to the idiots.

@daniellle4270 6 ай бұрын

Our team was offshore to India first week of December. All of us over 50 and with the company over 25 years….. sending all the good juju to you

@Povole 6 ай бұрын

She defended herself by admitting she never closed any contracts but gets compliments around the office.

@ismaelamaro7728 6 ай бұрын

The crude reality is that as an employee, you're never entitled to continued employment, regardless of your performance. There's always an element of precarity, in some industries more so than others. That's why there's nothing better than working for yourself.

@rundoetx 6 ай бұрын

The days of staying with one company, working hard, being treated fairly, and retiring with a gold watch and a pension are long gone.

@l.w.paradis2108 6 ай бұрын

They were gone before the 20th century ended!

@TheNewton 6 ай бұрын

and if you complain about that and point out the exact problems like this one you get a bunch of chuds talking about aTwiLl employment or other serf-brain rhetoric that doesn't want to engage in fixing things. Like they are oblivious as to how we got to this point in business behaviors or why works rights have to be created for a reason.

@rapulaabsalommotsamai9944 6 ай бұрын

And its so sad.

@RbonYoutube 5 ай бұрын

@CensoredSheepChannel Lmao actual brainrot. Zero mention of the vaccines and you start rambling about it. What in the actual fuck is going on in your brain?

@JoshDurston 5 ай бұрын

HR is never on your side.

@VenturiLife 5 ай бұрын

Human Remains

@izzytoons 4 ай бұрын

Not entirely true. There are places where these things are communicated and documented. Expectations are clear and results are tracked in full view. The termination is no surprise.

@TomT-ds9vn 5 ай бұрын

Remember, you are not a human to a company. You are an employee. They are mutually exclusive concepts to our masters.

@charlesronk2989 6 ай бұрын

I have 2 college degrees. One in Criminal Justice. The other in Crop and Soil Science. My company let me go at 47 years old, after 10 years. I have 3 kids with Cystic Fibrosis. It took me from March in 2012 to May of 2013 to land a job. I applied to over 2000 jobs. As low as Walmart Garden center and Fast food. I couldn't get work. I finally landed a job back in a factory for $9 an hour in 2013. I left a factory job I worked 70 hours a week at and went to school full time in the late 1990's and was earning almost $20 an hour when I left in 2003. It has taken me a decade to financially recover. I get it she is young but losing a job can be frustrating and painful. I don't think this makes her a loose cannon. It makes her a passionate person. Focus that passion and you could have one hell of an employee.

@brainsparks5860 6 ай бұрын

Totally agree. For many people, losing a job is always an explosion of chaos on one's life. There are so many people who don't have savings, a partner/family or any other safety net. Those are people who are rightfully outraged because their whole life is about to tumble down a bit.

@tansywelsh1636 6 ай бұрын

Agree 100%

@Vblack907 6 ай бұрын

Exactly, you can hear join her voice, she’s wanting to be apart of their company. It’s their loss.

@DemosBrutus 6 ай бұрын

Employment is obsolete now.

@robertberthaut5846 6 ай бұрын

Corporate loyalty is a one-way street leading to a dead end for the employee.

@seitzme 6 ай бұрын

You're right that pushing back on "performance reasons" won't get her job back. But it could impact whether she is eligible to receive unemployment insurance or whether she might have some case for wrongful termination. That's why HR departments usually provide detailed documentation showing what led to the firing when terminating "for cause". Seems to me the fact the HR representatives couldn't provide any specifics on which performance metrics led to her firing leaves them open to claims that she was fired without cause.

@beedt714 6 ай бұрын

Metrics for sales is, a sale. She had 0 sale in 4 months. That is more than enough metric needed for a sales person to be let go.

@seitzme 6 ай бұрын

@@beedt714 If the HR folks said "you were expected to have X sales by date Y and instead you had 0", then I might agree. The problem I see is that the HR folks are not providing that kind of a specific reason.

@nicolcacola 6 ай бұрын

@@seitzmeWhen someone gets fired, there is no presentation at the time of the firing. They get the boot then escorted out by security.

@seitzme 6 ай бұрын

@@nicolcacola Yes, sometimes employees are immediately escorted out of a building. But if an employee is being let go "for cause", the employer eventually has to provide documentation on the reason why the employee was terminated. Otherwise, the employee can be eligible to collect unemployment benefits. In this case, HR should have either given the reason during the video call or told the employee when they would receive documentation of the reason. The fact HR provided neither gives the employee grounds to say they were fired without cause.

@MetalBum 6 ай бұрын

She had 0 sales. Sales is about it one thing. Selling and closing. She didn’t close. She isn’t performing unfortunately. This is just based on the fact I’ve heard here. Everything she’s saying is just opinion

@reuvenwachtfogel7012 5 ай бұрын

"So like... I haven't closed any sales .... officially...". They are fools to fire her. Think how much unofficial money they will be losing on all her unofficial sales.

@FrankJSelkeIV 5 ай бұрын

the entitlement... oy vey. must be generational.

@izzytoons 4 ай бұрын

You say this with absolutely no knowlegde what you are talking about. These were highly complex multi-million dollar products. They aren't sold overnight. They take months. And it takes months to climb the learning curve to be able to sell them.

@reh3884 6 ай бұрын

That place seems like a horrible place to work.

@BC4Sales 6 ай бұрын

And employers wonder why their workers aren’t more loyal.

@walterwhite1 6 ай бұрын

Why should we be

@Crazyhorsedillpickle 5 ай бұрын

“ I got 3 deals and managed them well… until they decided not to move forward” How is that getting 3 deals?

@nikkibrown1601 5 ай бұрын

She didn’t close.

@ReceptiveKing93 5 ай бұрын

I call BS on her performance. I worked at a tech company where a guy was doing worse than me & still got promoted into an entirely different position. If a company wants to keep you they will find a way. I have been fired for no reason & am glad she’s bringing it to light. This nonsense needs to stop.

@00177454419 2 ай бұрын

Dude, you weren't fired for no reason. You may not like the reason and the reason may be unfair, but you weren't fired for no reason after they went to the trouble to hire you. Go find a gig that you're good at and where you'll be appreciated. But lose the attitude or you're going to have a miserable life.

@genemartinez2833 6 ай бұрын

Why did they have to accuse people of wrongdoing instead of being told they needed to reduce costs and were laying off people due to no fault of their own?

@IM125 6 ай бұрын

This is the part that pissed me off, it’s like when you don’t get the job and they say you have too much experience or you don’t have any experience, why did you have to interview me at all?

@mikemann1960 6 ай бұрын

They don't want to pay unemployment benefits. They just want to hord money at the expense of the workers. 1 thing that this WILL precipitate is the end of Fight Club. Only more dramatic! Unfortunately.

@charliedallachie3539 5 ай бұрын

To try and save on paying unemployment benefits…it’s crooked but that’s how companies roll today in America

@ScytheNoire 6 ай бұрын

If a company doesn't provide feedback as to performance ahead of time, or any other items, before firing you claiming you had poor performance, then that is a horribly managed company. Companies have lost lawsuits over this, because if there wasn't a written record of performance issues, and then they claim poor performance and fire you, they are liable. Their fake sympathy was just disgusting and hollow.

@rapulaabsalommotsamai9944 6 ай бұрын

Pure cruelty.

@richbob9155 5 ай бұрын

they did all that she is just lying for internet fame. She failed to make a single sale the entire time she worked there (while on probation). She literally could not have been any worse at her job and this was made clear to her beforehand as she mentions they had brought up the lack of any sales before. This company did nothing wrong. She is a liar who keeps changing her story in different videos.

@The_Fancave 5 ай бұрын

I can totally understand her frustration. I worked for Habitat for Humanity years ago. I loved my job, and excelled at it, always going above and beyond. Every day when I left, the manager thanked me, and told me what a great job I did. One random day after I had clocked out, he told me to follow him to the office across town for some paperwork to sign. I literally thought that I was getting a promotion. He made me wait in my car for an hour or so, then handed me a clipboard with termination paperwork. I felt totally blindsided. I asked him why, and he proceeded to give me an ambiguous answer, something along the lines of "you haven't lived up to our expectations", or some similar nonsense. I was more upset about the mixed messages than anything else.

@kjjr3270 2 күн бұрын

That just pure evil, i am sry for you. What do you do now if i may ask?

@The_Fancave 2 күн бұрын

@@kjjr3270 Thank you so much! I actually work in a warehouse now.

@deplorablechump8758 6 ай бұрын

Being loyal to a company is stupid. They will fire you whenever they want.

@ashleyjohansson230 6 ай бұрын

Lots of companies even have a policy that if you worked for them and quit or get fired, you cannot get another job in the same field and should only be loyal to them even after quitting/getting fired, its pretty ridiculous. Like why on earth would anyone completely change their fields just to be loyal to a company that just fired you.

@obie247 6 ай бұрын

@ashleyjohansson230 I heard of that. I didn't want to believe it cause it made no logic sense and was completely unfair

@DaBullKill 6 ай бұрын

Bingo. At the end of the day, it's always best to be in control of your own value.

@DPSS808 6 ай бұрын

People who are afraid of being recorded in professional interactions usually feel guilty of something.

@jeffk1722 6 ай бұрын

I could understand their outrage if she baited them into saying something mean or agitated them into looking bad. However, her attitude was defensive but pretty respectful.

@DonLee1980 5 ай бұрын

She's in sales, and she closed zero clients in 4 months, and she still wonders why she was fired?

@izzytoons 5 ай бұрын

YOU MISS THE WHOLE POINT. If they had said to her "you need to sell $250,000 in 90 days to win this job!"this video would not exist. The company would have been more likely to get that they wanted. Alternatively, if she failed, there would be no surprises, and it would have been totally fair.

@DonLee1980 5 ай бұрын

@@izzytoons LOL of course they wouldn't say you need to close X amount of dollars in 3 months. But it's self explanatory that bringing ZERO dollars of sales, is a sign of failure. If you don't see that, good luck in life. And btw, she knew she was probably going to get fired, and she knew to film it ahead of time. Why do you think she had it coming???

@izzytoons 5 ай бұрын

@@DonLee1980 As a very successful corporate executive of twenty years and business owner of ten, you always figure out what you need and ask for it specifically. You're an idiot not to. Not all sales are the same. Some are small and take ten minutes. Others are large and take two years. Neither you nor I know what was involved here. All we do know, what was most telling, is that her manager didn't know she was failing. So apparently having a learning curve like that wasn't out of the ordinary. As for recording it, I believe she said her boyfriend gave her a heads' up.

@TrentMagnum 5 ай бұрын

I applaud this young lady for not taking this laying down. I feel she was not entitled, but was demanding answers that she had a right to know considering the timing of this layoff. Losing a job whether you've been there 4 months or 4 years (or in my case.... 20 YEARS) is devastating. I wish her much success and many open doors in the future.

@loudenlaffnite246 5 ай бұрын

You hire her then.

@HKTimbo 6 ай бұрын

As I come to the end of my working life I’ve realised that this is nothing but a transactional relationship. Companies pay you to undertake a task. They have the right to fire you and you have the right to leave at any time, within the law and contractual terms. All this BS about being loyal and how much companies care is meaningless. The sooner people take out the emotion of this transactional relationship the better for their mental health.

@MichaelDurian 6 ай бұрын

I agree with EVERYTHING you just said. I’m in the middle of my career and have came to the same realization. Corporate America does not care to be a respectable company. If they did, they would have had a department leader deliver the news with HR present and just say “Sorry, our operating cost is too high for the revenue that is generated and we had to make tough decisions to cut costs”. I don’t blame this woman for ousting this company. It exposes how corporate America is. The unfortunate reality though is nothing will change.

@HKTimbo 6 ай бұрын

@@MichaelDurian it’s not just corporate America it’s the global corporate model. But I must say it is more prevalent in the US mainly, I believe, due to the requirement to report to the city every quarter. The easiest way to improve your bottom line is to cut operating expenses, and the easiest way to do that it to let people go. I’m 55 and have been in quite senior roles for 20+ years and have seen this business model creep in during pretty much my whole time so it has basically become the norm. I’m English but have lived and worked in Hong Kong for several decades.

@deejay6016 6 ай бұрын

@HKTimbo - well said!

@redcapsue 6 ай бұрын

Why should she not defend herself? Employment should be an Equal mutually beneficial relationship between employer and employee but employers have become comfortable treating employees in a manner consistent with servants. When employees don't fall in line with being a servant they are " loose cannons" or " lazy workers"

@Xathos 6 ай бұрын

Against what? They already dumped her before the call. They were just making it official at that point.

@redcapsue 6 ай бұрын

@@Xathos so you feel its a waste of time then to protest?

@mattsheezy5469 5 ай бұрын

Are they trying to keep from paying unemployment benefits by making it seem as though she’s being fired for doing a crappy job?

@ReceptiveKing93 5 ай бұрын

It doesn’t even matter because they have to prove she had miss conduct.

@izzytoons 5 ай бұрын

Bingo.

@danielking104 6 ай бұрын

These HR people sound just like they are on a congressional hearing.

@AngieCurl 6 ай бұрын

As someone who works in tech, this is so normal.

@ROFT 6 ай бұрын

In the UK if you want to fire someone for poor performance you need to have a history showing that they were told that they were underperforming, had the opportunity to improve, and hadn't improved. But if course the USA is the land of the free. The freedom of protection from unfair dismissal. The freedom to fire employees "because".

@kennethnash598 6 ай бұрын

I talked with my manager before and he said you have high marks on everything. Then all the sudden I was told I didn't fulfill a policy. He tried to bring something up but I had a clear reason for actions and he couldn't explain what policy. It was done and nothing you can do. this has happened several times. something is made up and it is after several communication of "Hey you are doing a job, keep it u[."

@abbiebeast 5 ай бұрын

The full interview is horrifyingly obvious and telling; impersonal HR reps full of lies and unprepared.

@unicornglitterfart5201 5 ай бұрын

But we DO know what her specific performance was at this company. She was hired for sales and she closed ZERO sales deals.

@izzytoons 4 ай бұрын

Unlike you, someone did the homework and discovered she was selling a highly complex, multi-llion dollar product. Those things do take months. I suspected that might be the case, and specualated as much elsewhere in the thread. Everyone assuming she MUST have sold products/services in this timeframe simply don't know sales. Selling a simple $99 product fifty times a day is not the same as a ll other products...

@Sendu7 6 ай бұрын

An age old rule is that if you are firing someone, it should never be a surprise to them. If they are surprised then you have failed as a manager to communicate.

@charlesv327 6 ай бұрын

Am age old rule that if you are firing someone, it should be on a Friday

@Lisekplhehe 6 ай бұрын

Manager that laid me off was being fired with me. If CEO decides is cost cutting time, there is nothing you can do and you don't get a heads up. Otherwise we lose investors.

@DaBullKill 6 ай бұрын

Age old rule? Sometimes the manager themselves are surprised when they have to let someone go. I disagree that it should not be a surprise, but I do think someone should be given a two week notice of their last day, similar to how an employee gives two week notice.

@robbierobot9685 6 ай бұрын

Yes, she is right to fight back. Anyone saying they wouldn't hire her for this is stating they only hire spineless followers. They're also saying they expect to be laying people off unjustly. She's not the problem. I'd hire her based on this video. Courage and character.

@ObsessedWTE 4 ай бұрын

I hate the way they talk, they act so nice but deep down they don’t give a shit

@mikec3971 4 ай бұрын

Such is life...

@ady007pl Ай бұрын

imagine giving a shit when you make 50 such calls a day

@BlueDude-cf9mk 5 ай бұрын

Uploading your firing to the internet is usually a bad idea...You could possibly blackball yourself from other opportunities if other employers in the industry sees it. You appear as an liability to confidentiality and brand image. Sales jobs are volatile. You gotta make the sale or you get kicked out. This is a business, not a family. They don't got time for all that emotional stuff. They gonna let her go if her stats aren't good, regardless. If you want to keep your job, get good at it.

@izzytoons 4 ай бұрын

The wisdom of posting the video is a topic for legitimate conversation and debate. From a marketability standpoint, it was not a great move, except for this: what are the odds that a future potential employer will actually know about the video? As for the event and the way it was handled, given her reviews, she was absolutely right and the company was absolutely wrong. Entirely unprofessional to disregard the reviews given and make such an unsupported claim.

@thereddude49 6 ай бұрын

Shows what companies not to work for.

@nickc4374 6 ай бұрын

You are not a person - just an employee.

@VIM731 4 ай бұрын

THIS is EXACTLY why the tech industry needs to have strong unions, to protect them from this kind of bullshit!!

@Gigusx 4 ай бұрын

Right. Better for the company to hold on to the employees they don't need and continue paying them... because the employee is the one that matters the most. Circumstances change, people get fired. That doesn't necessarily need to be prevented.

@VIM731 4 ай бұрын

@@Gigusx I understand your point and agree, to an extent, however; it has to be done in a way that is fair to the employee. Sales is a tough line of work. I tried it in my twenties and I found that it wasn't/isn't for me. I'm certainly not saying that no employee should ever be fired. If you fuck up, you fuck up. But maybe give people in sales a lower standard, numbers to hit with (obviously) lower pay, if they continue to fail then shit can them.

@superblondeDotOrg 3 ай бұрын

she was obviously a low-quality employee because she was argumentative to even the HR and recording+posting the video is not professional conduct, there is obviously behavior issues with HER not just her performance. It is no wonder why she was laid off.

@OurFreeSociety 3 ай бұрын

@@VIM731 - good idea.

@CindymeCindy 5 ай бұрын

Guys: It’s a layoff. It’s not about what she did right or wrong. It’s about laying off a certain number of people because the company is having money problems. They have no receipts because there are no receipts. You should be smarter than this. Also, the intro implied that she might have been crazy because she was speaking up. The girl literally sold herself and her achievements just like you do in an interview. You sell yourself, and she was trying to sell herself as to why she shouldn’t be fired. There is nothing wrong with that and yet you implied that she somehow went a little Cray Cray, which she did not.

@malcorub 5 ай бұрын

Then the company totally fked up by starting out with "you have not met the 2023 performance." When a company does this it gives off the impression that she is being TERMINATED not laid off, it's no wonder she is so defensive.

@SomeUserNameBlahBlah 5 ай бұрын

She didn't meet sales figures. She admitted this during the call.

@malcorub 5 ай бұрын

@@SomeUserNameBlahBlah she started in August had some sort of training (ramp up) for 3 months. Which meant she only had part of Nov and December (holiday months) to work....

@albusandrose 5 ай бұрын

@@malcorub Because they were doing mass layoff but saying it was for cause which could affect getting unemployment or future prospects. They should be able to say what performance metrics she didn't meet if she is fired for cause.

@albusandrose 5 ай бұрын

@@SomeUserNameBlahBlah She said she hadn't closed any contracts yet, but we don't know whether other new employees have closed contracts

@Crim222 6 ай бұрын

I see nothing wrong with what she did posting this. If you can't justify a decision like firing someone to their face why shouldn't your bullshit be put online for other's to see and decide if they want to work FOR YOU? If it looks bad then maybe you should think about that corporations. Everyone should be doing this as a means to protect themselves from wrongful terminations.

@tedschafer339 6 ай бұрын

Companies don't care about you. Without a union you have no one on your side.

@jeffphakenewz8556 6 ай бұрын

Even with a union, it's not going to prevent job cuts on occasion. Her job was to make sales - create revenue. She admitted not closing any sales.

@shannonbarber6161 4 ай бұрын

She is not a tech employee. She worked in sales.

@izzytoons 4 ай бұрын

She sold a multi-millino dollar technology product. I guarantee she had very advance technology knowledge and skills...

@totoroid 4 ай бұрын

Carls jr interface with very advanced tech products. It’s called a cash register

@innerpeace4u831 5 ай бұрын

The fact that they cannot tell her what expectations specifically she did not meet is not cool .. typically if you're not meeting expectations your manager is speaking to you about it beforehand to give you a chance to meet expectations and support you in any way that they can. And the fact that that wasn't even done is just crazy

@chamboyette853 5 ай бұрын

The reason she was fired was because she supports Trump so the company was right to fire her in fighting racism. Her performance was quite good though which is why they couldn't use that argument. Learn about the situation more before you run your mouth.

@stankbox 5 ай бұрын

@@chamboyette853sorry but white women cannot be considered "racist", even if they are. That is reserved for white males only.

@charliedallachie3539 5 ай бұрын

What some of these companies are doing is making it “performance related “ when they really are just trying to make cuts. She wasn’t even there 6 months….it was most likely to avoid any severance pay. Still she should be eligible for unemployment benefits in situations like this. It’s so dumb and unfortunately more common. The least they could do is say “hey we’re making cuts, it’s not your fault etc” but nope, they still try to make it the employee’s fault. Happened to me last year (still won unemployment though).

@chamboyette853 5 ай бұрын

@@charliedallachie3539 Listen idiot. It was her fault because she was secretly supporting Trump. So go corn your own cob and learn English.

@innerpeace4u831 5 ай бұрын

what?? lol you buy that propaganda?@@chamboyette853

@CarsCatAliens 6 ай бұрын

No one will stand up for you besides yourself. Never let an employer under value you. Be firm, but not aggressive. Sometimes parting ways is best for you. Move on to bigger better things

@SirOrganic 6 ай бұрын

Well said.

@DrSabriBebawi 6 ай бұрын

Wise businesses should hire her because she is strong, confident, stands her ground, and is very effective.

@ndoukouman 6 ай бұрын

Wise business will stay away from this type of whistleblower…. If you don’t want your business being a TikTok meme

@dorenecornwell6213 6 ай бұрын

Wise investors might want to avoid companies that use such robotic HR practices

@RooneyMac 6 ай бұрын

@@ndoukouman LOL. LMAO. Sounds like a skill issue! If a corporation was truly good, THIS WOULDN'T BE A CONCERN

@RooneyMac 6 ай бұрын

@@dorenecornwell6213 ^^^^^^^ Problem is, no such "wise" investors EXIST It's all greed. That's all it is

@AmirShafeek 6 ай бұрын

All of which are good for a company how if I'm a business owner? I want people who follow my orders

@adrianalonso489 26 күн бұрын

The fact that she post this video on social media means future employers are going to see her as a liability. Meaning this is going to affect her future employment.

@JHartModelworks 6 ай бұрын

Recording your termination isn't "futile". It's not about "changing their mind" about terminating you. It's for when they try to claim they "terminated you with cause" to get out of unemployment, you can show in the unemployment fight that they were unable to provide a cause for termination.

@richardschnoor6995 6 ай бұрын

as a long term contract engineer I can confirm that the way the employer screwed the employee IS TYPICAL

@vibecity5381 6 ай бұрын

She admits to closing ZERO deals @ 2:25, which was her only job as sales exec. Why should employer continue flushing $300K down the toilet for ZERO result?

@kyuubifox33 6 ай бұрын

Any clowns falling over themselves to defend companies are those bootlickers you always have to watch out for at work

@1104ray 6 ай бұрын

i hate corporate america but if a employee sucks at there jo or steals they need to be fired lmao so thats a boot licker huhhh

@bjornstahle4652 6 ай бұрын

@@1104ray

@ZombieDeathRace 6 ай бұрын

@@1104ray Why would you assume either? Yes, that makes you a corporate bootlicker.

@1104ray 6 ай бұрын

@ZombieDeathRace I gotcha so if a McDonald's employee steals 3000 out of a cash register or a McDonald's employee punches a 5 yr old an I want them fired that means there a boot licker lmfao in other words a employee should never get fired 🤣 😂

@ZombieDeathRace 6 ай бұрын

@@1104ray Those are extreme cases, and you know it. Don't be a coward and hide behind hyperbole.

@aportman58 6 ай бұрын

She has not said anything that as an business would dissuade me from hiring her! Her questions are real and should be addressed!

@jovanessa 5 ай бұрын

This happened to me. As soon as the OTP meeting started, they asked me if I had anything to say/ask. I said, "Just one thing, I have not been given feedback in three months and just told one day that I'm getting fired. I've gotten in touch with a lawyer and the Department of Labor will see you in court." They ended the meeting, saying they'll 'look further into this'. I then demanded to take the rest of the week off while they sort it out and for them to have things in order when I report back to work on Monday. Needless to say, their case was baseless, so I got to keep my job.

@brkitdwn 5 ай бұрын

So, now don't you feel awkward working there?

@riseabove3082 5 ай бұрын

so you're staying at a job that doesn't want you there? that not only must feel awkward but uncomfortable ans scary knowing that they will probably make your life miserable there until you quit.

@rainydays8248 5 ай бұрын

This. If a compnany wants to fire you, and can't even provide a legitimate reason, with metrics and data to support their decision, why would you even want to stay at such a place that clearly doesn't appreciate your value?

@yuravolkov9045 5 ай бұрын

@@rainydays8248probably because if they would really want the person to leave , they would have to propose a nice compensation 💰💰💰

@stankbox 5 ай бұрын

@@rainydays8248because they may be scared to do anything to her now.

@andrewnichol5387 6 ай бұрын

She didn't close a single contract, bye. What does she think is going to happen ? Maybe the manager is going to be fired. She works remotely, she gets fired remotely.

@rogerhaag2013 5 ай бұрын

The HR person is just spitting out corporate gobbly-goo buzzwords. Yuck

@StarLakeFarm 6 ай бұрын

Three months into the pandemic I was let go with three other employees in my department. I was 56 years old and a software engineer. Company said it had to make adjustments but our revenue was up as our software products helped people work remotely. There were no performance problems. The four of us were also the oldest employees in the department. Company denied age discrimination but I got almost one year severance with a lawyer. Companies can discriminate but they have to pay for it. My exit meeting was horrible. The director and HR person were not honest. Found a job in a small company. Wrote a great software program. Doing well. Treated like a person and not a number. I consider myself lucky.

@dannydanhammer8725 6 ай бұрын

gotta love at will firering laws

@ada-project-pitch8621 5 ай бұрын

How is her tech employee? She's clearly in sales. Dumb click bait

@Microphunktv-jb3kj 5 ай бұрын

in sales.. out of ~1500 people... who didnt make practically any sales in months.... possibly the most useless worker ever.. then again tthat product in question , the market is exhausted...... everyone already using CDN cloudflare anyways who needs, there's nothing much to sell there anymore...

@bluerune7305 6 ай бұрын

So you didn't close any deals and your shocked that you were getting fired. Ya crazy that people get fired for poor performance that's absolutely mind boggling.

@DebsFan101 6 ай бұрын

Businesses are not “family.” No matter how well things may be going, or what workers are told, they still get fired and replaced without a valid reason all the time. Your life is not your job, and this reminds me of that.

@Porrruh 6 ай бұрын

I've been on the HR side of a business as well, and my guess is that she knew what was going on from other's fired, so she decided to record! Companies should learn a lesson from this and learn how to document performa, and find proper reasons with documentations!!! I'm 100% with her...

@updatemysettings5095 6 ай бұрын

If a company is firing you then just get your best deal and leave. You aren't going to beat them into making you ceo all of the sudden.

@mst-pierrem5729 5 ай бұрын

When your own manager who has been praising her doesn't even know she's being fired.... WOW! IT CALLED WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT PEOPLE WORKING FOR US!!!

@noosphericaltarzan 6 ай бұрын

What is reprehensible is that these people really just want to lay off a percentage of the workforce. Fine. Lay offs happen. But they passive-aggressively accused this woman of not meeting performance standards as if she morally deserved to be fired. It's abusive. It's a mass lay off. You just tell these people the company is cutting back on labor and they were selected for lay offs. It's actually easier to be honest but they can't do it.

@rahulshah1408 6 ай бұрын

Exactly. They were given a hatchet. This is corporate gaslighting. As for the original question posed by TYT. I she is both right and has made it a touch harder to get hired in a normal shop. She will get hired by a shop with a better culture as they will appreciate her bravery more than be want compliance. Personally, I was fired based on top 10% of salaries. I felt bad for my boss. The one thing that made it easier was the CIO saying it was not performance based. Love the convo. Cheers my friend.

@Maggie-zr2ow 6 ай бұрын

Companies often do this to cover for over hiring or to cut costs.

@morallybankrupt1461 5 ай бұрын

When it’s over it’s over, just say thank you for the opportunity and move on. They really don’t care.

@crand20033 5 ай бұрын

Yes but we do care and we get very depressed and broke.

@LouisianaCityboi 6 ай бұрын

This isn’t some decades long employee who was just about to get their pension or their retirement, this is someone who completed their 90-days and the company decided not to move forward with her. It sucks, but it is what it is. She hasn’t even closed a deal in her first three months. - Was it actually the company that hired too many employees, maybe. But, a company is going to do what it needs to do to survive. And posting this is telling every other company that she will be difficult to deal with should things not work out with her. I think it was a mistake for her to do this if she wants to continue in working in corporate America.

@liamk2 6 ай бұрын

Make sure to eat up with all that boot licking! These companies do NOT care about you. This was made abundantly clear by this video and your response which probably killed off some of my brain cells. If the company hires too many people, that is on THEM. They kept talking about "performance issues" which obviously wasn't the case because she was ahead of her work, her manager told her she's doing great and nothing and no one gave her a review that said otherwise. This is just another dishonest tactic by HR (People she has never met btw and whom couldn't answer why they were there in the first place) to make her feel like she was the issue even though it was their flaw. Behavior like this needs to be recorded and shown because that can go to court. Other companies not wanting to hire her because she seems "hard to work with" will also face the same court justice because they legally CANNOT penalize her for knowing her rights.

@Brian6587 5 ай бұрын

I agree. Speaking up was perfectly fine but recording it for the world to see was not. I think it was unethical and illegal depending on the state it's in. Some states require both parties to consent before being recorded. Most HR reps would be hesitant to hire her if they saw this clip. The first thing on their mind would be. Is she going to do this to us also later down the line? Not a bright idea. She'll have to find that out the hard way.

@LouisianaCityboi 5 ай бұрын

@@liamk2 It is on them. Correct. If you owned a company and you hired too many people in the previous six months, are you going to cut some new hires to get your payroll under control again or are you going to go bankrupt and lose your company because it was your mistake??

@margaritoamargo6347 6 ай бұрын

Just another company doing layoffs to give their executives nice Christmas bonuses. They don't care about their employees. you are just numbers to them. Kind of sickening they have so many in these comment sections brainwashed to believe the company actually had any other reason than this though.

@PuertoRicanCreoleQueen 6 ай бұрын

So I used to work in HR for a major corporation sales team and I know exactly what and why they did this to her and the other 48 people they “fired” so she said she was hired in August and let go by January so the company was hiring for seasonal but they don’t tell these employees they are temporary seasonal employees, because if they knew this they would never of wasted their time to end up being jobless right after Christmas was over, or the ones who did would not work as hard and many would quit weeks to a month before hand once a new job was found before they became unemployed. So this heartless unethical company decided to hire several dozen temporary seasonal employees to pick up the uptick in business and consumer demand and once the uptick leveled back out to normal they keep maybe a handful of the seasonal workers and layoff the employees and tell them they are being fired because of lack of performance. This is why I got out of working for sale companies HR department

@-ucanthandledatruth01-12 6 ай бұрын

The whole paradigm of our society is unethical and was developed from psychopathic violence upon humanity and nature (unethical). This paradigm of society is absolutely abusive, it's just covert all of the time and overt some of the time in operation. We are essentially taking about institutionalised, systematised and military enforced psychopathy (malevolence). The characteristics of europe and the european identity are narcissism, delusion and denial...I am thoroughly confident with this knowledge and history supports my claims along with other dimensions of social science. It is why they could never properly position someone like Bernie Sanders, he has more compassion than the eurocentric social structure, so they are not compatible. Anyway much respect to you for giving us insight and confirming my suspicions.

@mahfuzab3355 6 ай бұрын

I think Cloud Flare hires people to work as seasonal employees. HR employees do not clarify that during the recruitment period.

@justryanism 4 ай бұрын

9 times out of 10 when you get fired it was because of some other shit and they just grabbed what reason they could to fire them.

@rhodastephens-yoder5693 6 ай бұрын

Over 30 years ago my fiancé was among 30,000 engineers at IBM laid off in one fell swoop. No warning. We had to live on my private school teacher salary. He sent out over 300 resumes, receiving a handful of interviews. After 11 months he received a job offer and we moved to San Diego. The whole experience taught us that we could work together and succeed ultimately.

@user-pq9ji7kt4l 6 ай бұрын

My father in law worked for IBM his whole and always said IBM stood for I’ve Been Moved!

@rhodastephens-yoder3844 6 ай бұрын

@Ardwick-Crome Retired last year after teaching in elementary schools for 38 years 😉

@matthewdow1327 6 ай бұрын

I worked in a print shop and rode my bike 5 miles there and back every day. I got fired when I showed up and when I asked why I was told "I don't have to tell you that. Gather your shit and go." Right to work is a scam

@ChaseRyder1 5 ай бұрын

“Just because I haven’t closed anything specifically” this all lacks meaningful context if she is in a sales position than thats why she is being let go. Companies don’t go out of their way to fire the top performers

@crawford1083 5 ай бұрын

Idiot zoomers think that work is performative. Show up, do good "meetings", be agreeable, all it takes! And this stupid t@rt Ana Kasparian (too stupid to know that Turks tried to end her Amerian forbears after WW1) is all in favour of this loose cannon griping on TikTok

@charliedallachie3539 5 ай бұрын

@elliottboomsluiter7214 6 ай бұрын

When companies go about firing employees in these cowardly ways, they get whatever comes of it. Its not like she’s defaming them, she simply uploaded the conversation. If they don’t like what people think, they shouldn’t have done it like this.

@Unpopularity 6 ай бұрын

They had absolutely no problem defaming her within the company, too. Spreading the lie that she was underperforming. Companies do this all the time to avoid paying unemployment, or to downsize and save their own reputation among the remaining employees. They'll crush your own ego, reputation, rights, and self-esteem then use the whole "don't resist or you're an unhirable loose canon now, you pathetic crag!" It's real. Good for her exposing them. Sadly it may harm her in the end, but it needs to be done.

@vibecity5381 6 ай бұрын

@@Unpopularity they didn't defame her, at 2:25 she admits she closed zero deals (her only job as Account Exec is find leads to close, so she failed her only job, any other self-praise is just extra and deception)

@matthewcaldwell8100 6 ай бұрын

@@vibecity5381 You don't think that if she was behind on their performance goals, they might have let her know before that instead of just firing her? You're bending over backwards to justify what is clearly a decision without relation to anything she could have done. This management by dartboard nonsense has to stop.

@vibecity5381 6 ай бұрын

@@matthewcaldwell8100 they likely let her know all the time. You're going to take the word of someone who admits to failing to close any deals (hence she herself reveals she performed poorly) but calls herself a good performer? Be smart now, never trust people who contradict themselves

@angeldance5 6 ай бұрын

If I was getting fired I would absolutely want to know the reason why, you can't just say "performance concerns". Also I feel that managers should at least be present on the call

@kelliott7864 6 ай бұрын

It's not in the company's best interest to explain why, it just opens them up to litigation. Major companies succeed by being polite but emotionless during the firing process. If you don't want that, don't work for a big company.

@angeldance5 6 ай бұрын

@kelliott7864 are there no laws surrounding unfair dismissal in the US? This is taken from the UK government website "Before taking any action, your employer should: follow disciplinary procedures - for example, warn you that your work is not satisfactory give you a chance to improve - for example, by training you" You can't be dismissed without a valid reason or completely out of the blue. Even if you're still in the probation period you would usually go through performance reviews etc

@kelliott7864 6 ай бұрын

@@angeldance5 Many states allow employers to fire anyone for anything as long as it doesn't violate their civil rights. For example, an employer can fire you because they don't like your attitude, or the car you drive.

@Goatchaser 5 ай бұрын

And people wonder why "quiet quitting" is a thing.

@JimPfarr 6 ай бұрын

This is textbook for corporate America. Rockwell Automation in Milwaukee did exactly the same thing, the same process, the same ambush notifications when they laid off 75% of their IT staff in October 2019 (including me). It didn't matter what justification was presented, Wisconsin is an "at will" state and can lay off employees for any reason as long as it isn't illegal. Irresponsible way to treat people, and I suspect Brittany fell foul of the same "at will" policy. Bravo to her for standing up for herself, but she was never going to win.

@MrFearDubh 6 ай бұрын

Addressing the mass firing point John made, I worked at a place where they called a meeting and when we got there, the CEO said, "If you are in this meeting, it means you still have a job." Everyone not invited to the meeting was let go. We started looking around to see if our workmates were in the room. Soon after that, a number of us voluntarily left the company because that's not how you treat people. That left the organization severely understaffed and they had to scramble to see if they could rehire the people they had let go. 🙄

@kevinfalcao8657 6 ай бұрын

Honorable decision . Companies management don't give a Fuk about your job . Get a union to give yourself a chance of explanation / severance . NO OTHER WAY . IF they don't want /like one FIND ANOTHER JOB .

@quitoyume100 6 ай бұрын

I was fired once for lack of performance a week after my manager recommended me for a promotion. Corporations are heartless. The only consolation i got was that the HR people that let me go were subsequently let go after they finished getting rid of everyone on their list.

@DemosBrutus 6 ай бұрын

Capitalist nations are in crisis.

@indiclare 6 ай бұрын

That's barely any consolation whatsoever. What a horrible experience to go through. I hope you are with a better employer now

@izzytoons 4 ай бұрын

The difference is whether you were fired (without defensible cause) or laid off. In the latter case you would have gotten unemployment benefits and the opportuniy to say you were laid off, not fired, in your subsequent interviews... Not perfect either, but far better.

@jonboll-LGM 5 ай бұрын

Companies are NOT in business to coddle and baby your butt. Get up, dust off and get a new job.

@lindationsadventures 6 ай бұрын

back in the 90s when you got fired, they just tell you, pick up your stuff and get out of my company LOL

@bugginout3169 6 ай бұрын

I’m 59 years old and will never get comfortable with this type of corporate culture. This is why longevity and loyalty are things of the past.

@TwoH.Q 6 ай бұрын

This is why Glassdoor is so important. The goal is to even the playing field. If they are an “at will” organization with a track record of poor and unethical practices, find fair ways to report them to the public. it will bring down their brand and discourage folks from working for them.

@charliedallachie3539 5 ай бұрын

Sadly Glassdoor is often censored or inflated with fake positive reviews by such companies.

@Z32andCG6 6 ай бұрын

I got fired once without my manager present. I was in high school and working nights & weekends since I began the job and when I pointed out to my new manager that she can't put me on schedule to start at 3pm because I'm in class until the bell rings at 3pm. Well she hand wrote on the schedule that I start at 4pm but guess what never got changed in the system? I got fired for being late an entire week while she was on vacation. I didn't even bother to fight it since I had been dealing with extreme incompetence leading up to my last days. These large companies are trash.

@bj-to7uq 5 ай бұрын

The company is using ‘performance’ as the reason for firing her and others to try to avoid paying for unemployment. They’ll use ‘performance issues’ to deny her unemployment claim. Hopefully she’ll file for unemployment and if her claim is denied, she’ll appeal since the company has no documentation of poor performance.

@BearingMySeoul 5 ай бұрын

Yup. That's all that's happening. I get this chick. I don't being lied to. Just say, "We're cutting your department," and keep it at that. We don't need to add gaslighting to the corporate BS!

@mikehemens9359 5 ай бұрын

The internet is curated. Most stuff that goes viral now had a push. I'm not looking at this stupid video that I'm meant to look at and get a big important opinion about it like the Will Smith shit or whatever tf. @@BearingMySeoul

@runkus6136 6 ай бұрын

This is why giving 2 weeks notice is nonsense. They'll fire you for any or no reason with no warning.

@Angarsk100 6 ай бұрын

It's courtesy. I've given at least 30 day notices in the jobs I've left and parted in great terms, later even having previous employers become customers of my business. So no, it's not nonsense, specially if you are a high-value worker and have a high opinion of yourself.

@sean2015 6 ай бұрын

Well I can explain that. They're afraid of sabotage. You see, employees tend to get very angry and vindictive when they find out their employer has decided to fire them. Ain't it the darndest thing? So what you've written here, it's like the police saying to a criminal _"We have a warrant for your arrest, we'll be back in two weeks to arrest you. Don't leave the state and don't leave the country"_

@runkus6136 6 ай бұрын

@@Angarsk100 right and as a business owner youre clearly not coming from any place of bias right? Using particular language in an attempt to manipulate is an Insanely BIG ol red flag. Hopefully you dont have any employees and if you do I hope they can see through your BS.

@runkus6136 6 ай бұрын

@@sean2015 No, what ive written here is "Treat your employer exactly how they treat you." But I guess when your mind is wired for boot licking backing those in power just comes naturally.

@sean2015 6 ай бұрын

@@runkus6136 respecting laws and company policies is not “boot-licking”. It’s called “obeying the rules”. By your logic you would probably say I was “boot-licking” my boss by showing up for work on time every day and not stealing money from the cash register. Ain’t that right snowflake? ❄️

@ThatOneDude6009 6 ай бұрын

This isn't just big Tech, this is sales in a nutshell. You aren't viewed as a person, you are merely a number in their corporate structure. If you aren't selling, they will let you go without notice. It's why I urge people to at the very least go back to school to get a trade/certificate in something.

@bannjaxx 5 ай бұрын

"Can you tell me specifically why I'm being let go?" "No, that's not in our script - please stick to the script - you're not meant to talk back." "S'OK, I'll just lawyer up." "Wait a sec.......you're not leaving, ha ha - it was a joke, yeah, you're good!"

@phreek24 5 ай бұрын

There's a difference between being fired and being laid off. Being fired is based on performance, and there should be a clear history of performance planning and coaching with your manager. In other words, being fired is the result of a failure to perform and shouldn't really be a surprise. On the other hand, layoffs happen when an organization restructures/downsizes/changes and no longer needs the position. There's a difference and clear communication matters.

@sw20yrz84 6 ай бұрын

So sick of them all saying “I’m so sorry.” You’re not sorry, none of you are, but sorry you’re put in an uncomfortable situation and you can’t wait for the laid off worker to get off.

@Kingsfin 6 ай бұрын

Remember the HR department is not your friend. They are the department that treats Humans as Resources.

@JulieB1111 5 ай бұрын

1990s employers were required to give 3 verbal and 1 written warning to ensure employees are treated fair. It is not ok to say nothing and then blame the employee. Firing is a way companies lay off without cost. The cost then goes into the taxpayers pocket.