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TECH TIP: BMW Getrag and ZF gearbox comparison // CraigDoesDrift Ep26

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Craig Does Drift

Craig Does Drift

5 жыл бұрын

On this episode I have a look at the difference between the ZF and the Getrag BMW gearboxes.

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@JasonCabrera
@JasonCabrera 2 жыл бұрын
It’s nice that BMW decided to use the same bolt pattern that way like in my case I got a zf on a 2jz and if in the future I want the 6 speed trans I could just swap it and use my existing clutch,flywheel, and adapter
@justinflux4074
@justinflux4074 6 ай бұрын
What’s the correct name for the zf gear box because when I try to search it a bunch of other stuff comes up
@random_dude_99
@random_dude_99 6 ай бұрын
​@@justinflux4074 zf s5d 320z
@FlattyBasher101
@FlattyBasher101 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for this. Looking to do the swap on my own skidder so should save me loads of down time working out what parts I need. Thanks again
@HappyDayGarage
@HappyDayGarage 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, man! A ton of usable information, a lot of ambiguity resolved! I was opting between RX8 and ZF box for my V6 Sierra and chose the nice fat ZF. Nice hat BTW :)
@diosmanyacosta1597
@diosmanyacosta1597 4 жыл бұрын
Man this video helped me out a lot!! I was going crazy trying to figure out if I could use an M3 clutch on my 325is and looks like I can... Thanks to you.
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 4 жыл бұрын
Diosmany Acosta no problem bud! Glad I’ve done something useful on KZfaq 🤣
@charlieward7606
@charlieward7606 2 жыл бұрын
just to clarify those boxes will fit: m50,m52,m54,m40,m42,m43,m44 at least, maybe more, my friend runs a m40 flywheel and cutch on his m50b20 which is a easy and cheap solid flywheel conversion if you need it. oh and thats not a speed sensor on the getrag, its the reverse light, speed sensor is in the diff
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 2 жыл бұрын
Great info bud 💪
@NikolaiCherepanov
@NikolaiCherepanov Жыл бұрын
Getrag will also bolt up to S engines (s54, s52, s50) as well, obviously not advised but I know someone who runs them on a track car because they are so cheap to replace or rebuild vs the ZF
@IHateCrawlers
@IHateCrawlers 5 ай бұрын
I was looking for this info everywhere around the web, glad to know m50 trans can mount to m54
@nunolima2463
@nunolima2463 4 ай бұрын
Will this fit the zf from a 330d e46?
@charlieward7606
@charlieward7606 4 ай бұрын
it will bolt up but will sit at a slant and need custom mount, shifter linkage...havent done the swap yet so not sure exact details but it bolts to the engine@@nunolima2463
@Airsoftmstr73
@Airsoftmstr73 5 жыл бұрын
I never comment, but this video helped me out a lot. Thank you.
@PRAGEETHKARUNADHEERA
@PRAGEETHKARUNADHEERA 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Very informative!
@pepeescobar1053
@pepeescobar1053 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, you help me a lot, regards from Peru
@joevanbelkum959
@joevanbelkum959 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video... thanks for sharing
@cb175s
@cb175s 3 ай бұрын
Thank you This explains a lot for me. Very much appreciated 👍👍
@justeffingaround2103
@justeffingaround2103 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video, it helped me a lot, do you know off hand if the speed sensors are the same? Currently doing a zf swap and my zf sensor is 💔broken, I still have the getrag sitting off to the side, thank you!
@garrettgiuffre7710
@garrettgiuffre7710 4 жыл бұрын
I have long tubes on my e46 with the getrag and fitment was a pain. I can imagine how to fit the zf and have long tubes
@dajkr8748
@dajkr8748 2 жыл бұрын
Manual converting my 325i e46, I found a getrag 318i e46 donor car. Main question is what would I need for a complete manual conversion?
@austinpotts3851
@austinpotts3851 3 жыл бұрын
excellent information. thank you.
@roshangrant3320
@roshangrant3320 2 жыл бұрын
Great video bro we need more very help full
@manuelfieg9329
@manuelfieg9329 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, it was so useful!!! Thx man!!
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 4 жыл бұрын
manuel fieg no worries bud.
@aaronrayment7941
@aaronrayment7941 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone know if the 5 speed clutch control arm is usable in the 6 speed box or is it a different part?
@TheBasketproductions
@TheBasketproductions 3 жыл бұрын
Hey 👋 I have a getrag 250 I want to put in my 00 323ci E46! I need to find the right cross member to fit it!
@ryanslattery9340
@ryanslattery9340 5 жыл бұрын
THANKYOU! Recently bought a Getrag 220 to put in my e46 330, just needed a clutch. Couldn't find information anywhere on what size the clutch is or if its the same size as the zf box. Now I can buy a clutch kit for e46 and know it will fit. Thanks mate, lifesaver.
@SavageBunny1
@SavageBunny1 3 жыл бұрын
The 330 uses a ZF because it's stronger, it will bolt up, but you will wear it out faster, the getrag is known to be weak, but I don't think 221lbs of torque will break it.
@ryanslattery9340
@ryanslattery9340 3 жыл бұрын
@@SavageBunny1 For sure g220 is much weaker than zf. But it should be fine for street driving, done 12,000ks on the g220 now, hopefully I get plenty more no issues!
@fourpuma138
@fourpuma138 3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanslattery9340 i respect it i put about 5k on my getrag before i broke it
@ryanslattery9340
@ryanslattery9340 3 жыл бұрын
@@fourpuma138 16k now, still sweet
@charlieward7606
@charlieward7606 2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanslattery9340 yeah most bmw stuff is pretty strong for stock power, my friends runs a 320i with a 316i flywheel and clutch, he never had issues even drifting and dailying, ive been drifting on a getrag(only320i) for years and im hard on it, like really hard, i will shift lock it into corners, clutch kick the shit out of it, daylied it etc no problems so far, will be upgrading to a zf when i swap in my m52 mainly because i already have one tho
@finlay230
@finlay230 5 жыл бұрын
great vid!
@bartekczech3269
@bartekczech3269 10 ай бұрын
I have a 1994 325i seden will the driveshaft line up if I got an zf with zf drift shaft to the diff
@ajiyra1188
@ajiyra1188 Жыл бұрын
Hey do you have any idea if a Getrag box would work in a 328i that originally came with a ZF. Would the 328 Slave and master cylinder work correctly with the getrag
@FELIPE8226M
@FELIPE8226M 5 ай бұрын
I did a manual 250g conversion in my e46, it makes a weird grinding resistance noise only while accelerating in 2nd gear not the typical grinding while going into gear. It shifts and drives perfectly fine would you happen to know what is wrong with it?
@jermaxam
@jermaxam Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the video!
4 жыл бұрын
Hello, greetings from Chile and thanks for your video. I have a 1992 e36 325i AT and want to do a transmission manual swap. Years ago, someone sold me a getrag transmission supposedly extracted from e36 318i. When I tested the car, the gear ratio was a mess, so I installed a 3.15 m3 differential, but I never managed to get the car to be well connected to the gears. I have read in many forums that show that the getrag gearbox of the e36 1.8i is the same as the e36 325i, but I have doubts about what I mentioned before. When reviewing technical information I could see that e36 325i uses 3.12 differential and getrag 250 gearbox and that of 318i is getrag 225 if I remember correctly. I don't want to use my car to run or drift, I just want a nice car that at times can perhaps enjoy its power a bit. In Chile there are not many e36 325i MT, therefore, getting an original used transmission is impossible, I can only buy the e36 318i. Can you give me your opinion on exchanging getrag for e36 318i? I also wanted to ask if the weight of the 318i and 325i flywheel influences when trading. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us.
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 2 жыл бұрын
It will fit. Gearing is personal preference. Get it working and drive it
@charlieward7606
@charlieward7606 2 жыл бұрын
gear ratios are very similar, the 325i uses a 3.15 diff and a 318i will have either a 3.45 or 3.38 diff stock while you auto diff should be a 4.10 or 4.45 if i remember correctly and yes it will be extremely short if you leave the auto diff. i have a 4.45 in my manual and it cuts out at about 160-170kmh
@bigped845
@bigped845 5 жыл бұрын
Nice one mate
@luisv5648
@luisv5648 3 ай бұрын
Hi, just checking at the output flange issue: Would it be possible to change the output flange from the Getrag to the ZF, so that a medium size guibo would fit? That way you could actually keep the original transmission. Am I right?
@joalfafara5397
@joalfafara5397 3 жыл бұрын
Really helpful info. Just got dizzy watching though.
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry about the dizziness and glad I could help
@murphdogfilms89
@murphdogfilms89 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@bryanswift10
@bryanswift10 3 жыл бұрын
Never heard anyone refer to a transmission made of chocolate that’s hilarious
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@user-ot7jd9dt7t
@user-ot7jd9dt7t 2 ай бұрын
Early 330i 5 speed zf or a gs6-37bz 6 speed zf for a supercharged 330i application?
@danielserrano8600
@danielserrano8600 2 жыл бұрын
Great info👌👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@r33skylineprojects59
@r33skylineprojects59 Жыл бұрын
interested in th s14 conversion
@anilec333
@anilec333 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t know why my 320i is using getrag 260
@gonzalosanchez8579
@gonzalosanchez8579 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, it helped me a lot, I'm building a BMW 325i E36 M50B25TU Turbo + 600hp. I hope it doesn't break the box :) Greetings from Argentina
@agustinelorriaga5730
@agustinelorriaga5730 4 жыл бұрын
Gonzalo Sanchez zarpado! Cómo viene la conversión? Saludos desde NZ!
@charlieward7606
@charlieward7606 2 жыл бұрын
and how did it go? i suspect 600 is the upper limit, would be pretty suprised if it took 600+ if you drive it hard
@mahlamlu4098
@mahlamlu4098 Жыл бұрын
Great video , with my car i changed it from automatic to manual ,its a 320i e46 but i used the Getreg gearbox .the problem now is that the car cant angage gear number one at all either engine running or non running
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
Gearbox sounds ☠️
@Savingwow
@Savingwow 4 жыл бұрын
Clutch diameter are identical however friction plates are not. ZF always comes with 240mm friction surface where getrag comes with 228mm. That sensor is reverse light switch - speed sensor comes in diff.
@bike23august
@bike23august 4 жыл бұрын
So can you still use the getrag clutch kit into a ZF transsmision?
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@user-hy5hq2ik6j
@user-hy5hq2ik6j 7 ай бұрын
Any one can tell which better getrag or zf ?
@andrewlangford88
@andrewlangford88 4 жыл бұрын
Great video for people who are harvesting your BMW for a trans but otherwise know nothing about bimmers
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@likits1999
@likits1999 2 жыл бұрын
Great description during your video. I appreciate your info. Do you by any chance know what type of fluid were supposed to fill the 5 manual speed Getrag transmission with, ATF of MTF?
@bradrodger9082
@bradrodger9082 2 жыл бұрын
ATF
@dokterkarel
@dokterkarel 2 жыл бұрын
@@bradrodger9082 I'm not gonna disagree or be an asshole, but many people, even mechanics at BMW will tell to use ATF, while the oil provided from the factory in those boxes are MTF, and every brand of oil (kroon, champion, castrol, ...) recommends MTF for those.
@Jackman781
@Jackman781 Жыл бұрын
I have a 330i auto. I have everything for Getrag 5 speed and want to do a swap. My issue rn is the driveshaft. I am curious if the front portion of getrag driveshat will mate up to rear portion of 330i auto.
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
I’m not to sure. Just Jack it up and have a quick look is my best suggestion. Sorry
@canned__meat
@canned__meat 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Mate, Thanks so much for the video. Just so I am clear on something. at about the 02:55 mark, you talk about bolt patterns being the same. What I am looking to find out through the BMW forums (with ZERO success mind you), is, do the bellhousings that bolt up to the M54 and N542 engines, line up?? The ones bolting up to the N52 seem to be missing the stud lug/hole at the starter mound (top far right as youre looking at the boxes at 02:56). Thank you in advance. Really appreciate your help!!
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 2 жыл бұрын
All of these boxes blot up no problem.
@canned__meat
@canned__meat 2 жыл бұрын
@@CraigDoesDrift - thank you so much mate! Really appreciate the reply and confirmation.
@leonflackett7397
@leonflackett7397 Жыл бұрын
This video was very helpful! i Presume this means i can swap the auto gearbox from a 2003 330i E46 m54B30 with a zf6hp? please correct me if I'm mistaken?
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
Sorry, don’t know.
@saganworshipper6062
@saganworshipper6062 3 жыл бұрын
Do you know if I can just directly bolt a ZF box from an E90 335 xDrive that has an N55 to my E90 328 xDrive that has an N52 without all sorts of coding issues etc? The gearbox from the 335 is capable of handling a lot more torque. Just wondering, should mine wear out, if I can't replace it with the stronger one?
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 2 жыл бұрын
Not a clue 🕵️‍♀️
@nrgalltime5341
@nrgalltime5341 Жыл бұрын
Are the steptronic and regular automatic transmission in e46, e38, e39 physically the same? The only difference is the shifter wiring and the control module?
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
Sorry, don’t know.
@bilalchaaban3241
@bilalchaaban3241 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vedio...im building an E30 325 turbo engine so which one should i choose the getrag or the zf?
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 3 жыл бұрын
Zf to be safe.
@aniluzun2321
@aniluzun2321 Жыл бұрын
I have getrag from e34 6 cylinder . I will change with zf . Have on car m52b28 . What can i use on zf dualmass flywheel and clutc kit ?
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 11 ай бұрын
Yes
@bimmerDallasBikersUnitedDBUCan
@bimmerDallasBikersUnitedDBUCan 2 жыл бұрын
I need some help please. I have a 00 station wagon automatic my trans went out but I'm told it has a GM and my mechanic says there is zf and GM and it needs to be GM need help here what's the difference
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
Size of gearbox. Means you need a different size prop and gear linkage at least.
@sydneyNemesis101
@sydneyNemesis101 4 жыл бұрын
what oil do you put in for getrag or zf gearbox? 75w80? love the video
@BavarianM
@BavarianM 2 жыл бұрын
75w80 with BMW LT2/4 spec
@golfopressor9700
@golfopressor9700 4 жыл бұрын
Hi friend, I have a change of this that does not enter the reverse? What can it be?
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 4 жыл бұрын
GOLF OPRESSOR sorry I do not understand.
@kevinwalsh4
@kevinwalsh4 4 жыл бұрын
The plug is the reverse sensor. I have nothing plugged into my getrag and still have a speedometer. Must be in the diff
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info on that!
@xavierkerr2688
@xavierkerr2688 4 жыл бұрын
Would the zf bolt up to an getrag 240 driveshaft and shift linkages ??
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure they are different lengths.
@ultimaterage92decpatt73
@ultimaterage92decpatt73 3 жыл бұрын
Quick question, I currently have the 320d 5 speed manual from an e46 in my supra an the ratios are way too small so looking for a bigger ratio box thats almost identical on the bellhousing and clutch side not fussed about the prop gear selector. Have you any idea
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 3 жыл бұрын
Input shafts are different I’m sure on diesels from petrol.
@charlieward7606
@charlieward7606 2 жыл бұрын
get the 320d 6 speed
@theylive8256
@theylive8256 5 жыл бұрын
Hi mate, can you please tell me why is the 5-speed S5D 250G pops out in reverse gear?🙈
@TechTokOffical
@TechTokOffical 3 жыл бұрын
Needs the detents done...
@scottbrown1454
@scottbrown1454 5 жыл бұрын
Nice one Craig. Will there be a wee video on the S14 😊
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 5 жыл бұрын
scott brown soon sir!
@cheetorito7865
@cheetorito7865 Жыл бұрын
what fluid did you run in the getrag? having issues and wondering if i should use redline d4 atf/mtf🙏
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
I use standard and some Lucas oil stabilisers
@thomasnuggets9719
@thomasnuggets9719 3 ай бұрын
yo where did you get a ZF trans for $250?!! The ones I see on ebay are $1000
@garysanchez8876
@garysanchez8876 2 жыл бұрын
Just to confirm the transmission crossmember/brace is interchangeable?
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
I think you need the one for that box.
@96rincon
@96rincon 2 жыл бұрын
Just bought a '98 328i for $600, gonna strip the zf and other components to install on an m50nv turbo in a '94 e36!
@MineldoAlbania
@MineldoAlbania 2 жыл бұрын
in which country u find a 328i for 600$ man ?
@96rincon
@96rincon 2 жыл бұрын
@@MineldoAlbania south Texas, US
@MineldoAlbania
@MineldoAlbania 2 жыл бұрын
@@96rincon so lucky...here in albania to find a 328i engine u gotta pay 1k $ just for the engine
@raidenx9053
@raidenx9053 3 жыл бұрын
You have any info on swapping manual zf gearbox on a 1 uz fe?
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, check out my other videos
@Michael45P
@Michael45P 4 жыл бұрын
what is the weight difference between them? Thanks
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 4 жыл бұрын
Good question but no idea. Zf if defo heavier and a decent bit. But also takes the 600Nm ish that my Turbo 1UZ is pushing out 😎
@dizzinessman6683
@dizzinessman6683 2 жыл бұрын
Would the getrag handle drifting on a 325i? I
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 2 жыл бұрын
YES YES YES 👍
@paintskate610
@paintskate610 2 жыл бұрын
Man either of those in the US right now cost 400-1000 USD
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 2 жыл бұрын
Owch!
@jonathankempegyllensten2837
@jonathankempegyllensten2837 4 жыл бұрын
Is it the same if you have 5 speed Zf and a 6 speed zf or are they diffrent?
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 4 жыл бұрын
Not sure about the 6 speed but I doubt they are the same.
@hunkysauce9925
@hunkysauce9925 2 жыл бұрын
Six speed is longer slightly. if you’re swapping you’d need a different driveshaft.
@mjsauto6432
@mjsauto6432 4 жыл бұрын
whats the relaibilty on the zf6hp26
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 4 жыл бұрын
Still not dead 💀😎 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rN-CaZmjubGUgY0.html
@sezerarslan604
@sezerarslan604 4 жыл бұрын
as a result, zf or getrag?
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 4 жыл бұрын
ZF if your putting it in something that is making more than stock 3litre power or a comp car where you want the extra reliability. Getrag is still great and I knocked the hell out of mine but it wont last if your doing more power than stock but super cheap (in UK)!
@shawngram1991
@shawngram1991 2 жыл бұрын
Thank u
@omarlondon
@omarlondon 5 жыл бұрын
is the bmw getrag e46 m3 as good as the v160 supra one?
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 5 жыл бұрын
adam london sorry bud, I don’t know.
@_i-kr6eg
@_i-kr6eg 5 жыл бұрын
The e46 m3 has a ZF not a getrag. All e34 e36 ( 328i m sport ) and m3 and e46 have ZF transmission
@omarlondon
@omarlondon 5 жыл бұрын
@@_i-kr6eg thanks
@_i-kr6eg
@_i-kr6eg 5 жыл бұрын
@@omarlondon not a problem 👍
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 5 жыл бұрын
mr323i thanks for helping @adam out bud!
@michaelmarcus509
@michaelmarcus509 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks m8
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift 3 жыл бұрын
No worries bud.
@michaelmarcus509
@michaelmarcus509 3 жыл бұрын
@@CraigDoesDrift helped me see that I had the wrong selector rod in my M52 ZF swapped compact lol I kept the getrag one and re welded it when I had a correct one sitting around 😂😂! Keep up the great content man
@luckylegs8547
@luckylegs8547 Жыл бұрын
Getrag is complete garbage they break at around 200whp especially drifting
@CraigDoesDrift
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
That’s about right. Seen loads lasting ages on m54b30 and there about 225bhp. I’d say the m54b30 is about the max limit.
@crisbivolaru819
@crisbivolaru819 Жыл бұрын
Gold nugget info thank you man ! I'm doing a manual conversion on my m54b30 and was searching everywhere if the getrag 250g could handle the torque . I think i will have to drive it with care then
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