On this episode I have a look at the difference between the ZF and the Getrag BMW gearboxes.
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@JasonCabrera2 жыл бұрын
It’s nice that BMW decided to use the same bolt pattern that way like in my case I got a zf on a 2jz and if in the future I want the 6 speed trans I could just swap it and use my existing clutch,flywheel, and adapter
@justinflux40746 ай бұрын
What’s the correct name for the zf gear box because when I try to search it a bunch of other stuff comes up
@random_dude_996 ай бұрын
@@justinflux4074 zf s5d 320z
@FlattyBasher1014 жыл бұрын
thanks for this. Looking to do the swap on my own skidder so should save me loads of down time working out what parts I need. Thanks again
@HappyDayGarage2 жыл бұрын
Great video, man! A ton of usable information, a lot of ambiguity resolved! I was opting between RX8 and ZF box for my V6 Sierra and chose the nice fat ZF. Nice hat BTW :)
@diosmanyacosta15974 жыл бұрын
Man this video helped me out a lot!! I was going crazy trying to figure out if I could use an M3 clutch on my 325is and looks like I can... Thanks to you.
@CraigDoesDrift4 жыл бұрын
Diosmany Acosta no problem bud! Glad I’ve done something useful on KZfaq 🤣
@charlieward76062 жыл бұрын
just to clarify those boxes will fit: m50,m52,m54,m40,m42,m43,m44 at least, maybe more, my friend runs a m40 flywheel and cutch on his m50b20 which is a easy and cheap solid flywheel conversion if you need it. oh and thats not a speed sensor on the getrag, its the reverse light, speed sensor is in the diff
@CraigDoesDrift2 жыл бұрын
Great info bud 💪
@NikolaiCherepanov Жыл бұрын
Getrag will also bolt up to S engines (s54, s52, s50) as well, obviously not advised but I know someone who runs them on a track car because they are so cheap to replace or rebuild vs the ZF
@IHateCrawlers5 ай бұрын
I was looking for this info everywhere around the web, glad to know m50 trans can mount to m54
@nunolima24634 ай бұрын
Will this fit the zf from a 330d e46?
@charlieward76064 ай бұрын
it will bolt up but will sit at a slant and need custom mount, shifter linkage...havent done the swap yet so not sure exact details but it bolts to the engine@@nunolima2463
@Airsoftmstr735 жыл бұрын
I never comment, but this video helped me out a lot. Thank you.
@PRAGEETHKARUNADHEERA5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Very informative!
@pepeescobar10534 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, you help me a lot, regards from Peru
@joevanbelkum9593 жыл бұрын
Excellent video... thanks for sharing
@cb175s3 ай бұрын
Thank you This explains a lot for me. Very much appreciated 👍👍
@justeffingaround21032 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video, it helped me a lot, do you know off hand if the speed sensors are the same? Currently doing a zf swap and my zf sensor is 💔broken, I still have the getrag sitting off to the side, thank you!
@garrettgiuffre77104 жыл бұрын
I have long tubes on my e46 with the getrag and fitment was a pain. I can imagine how to fit the zf and have long tubes
@dajkr87482 жыл бұрын
Manual converting my 325i e46, I found a getrag 318i e46 donor car. Main question is what would I need for a complete manual conversion?
@austinpotts38513 жыл бұрын
excellent information. thank you.
@roshangrant33202 жыл бұрын
Great video bro we need more very help full
@manuelfieg93294 жыл бұрын
Dude, it was so useful!!! Thx man!!
@CraigDoesDrift4 жыл бұрын
manuel fieg no worries bud.
@aaronrayment79412 жыл бұрын
Anyone know if the 5 speed clutch control arm is usable in the 6 speed box or is it a different part?
@TheBasketproductions3 жыл бұрын
Hey 👋 I have a getrag 250 I want to put in my 00 323ci E46! I need to find the right cross member to fit it!
@ryanslattery93405 жыл бұрын
THANKYOU! Recently bought a Getrag 220 to put in my e46 330, just needed a clutch. Couldn't find information anywhere on what size the clutch is or if its the same size as the zf box. Now I can buy a clutch kit for e46 and know it will fit. Thanks mate, lifesaver.
@SavageBunny13 жыл бұрын
The 330 uses a ZF because it's stronger, it will bolt up, but you will wear it out faster, the getrag is known to be weak, but I don't think 221lbs of torque will break it.
@ryanslattery93403 жыл бұрын
@@SavageBunny1 For sure g220 is much weaker than zf. But it should be fine for street driving, done 12,000ks on the g220 now, hopefully I get plenty more no issues!
@fourpuma1383 жыл бұрын
@@ryanslattery9340 i respect it i put about 5k on my getrag before i broke it
@ryanslattery93403 жыл бұрын
@@fourpuma138 16k now, still sweet
@charlieward76062 жыл бұрын
@@ryanslattery9340 yeah most bmw stuff is pretty strong for stock power, my friends runs a 320i with a 316i flywheel and clutch, he never had issues even drifting and dailying, ive been drifting on a getrag(only320i) for years and im hard on it, like really hard, i will shift lock it into corners, clutch kick the shit out of it, daylied it etc no problems so far, will be upgrading to a zf when i swap in my m52 mainly because i already have one tho
@finlay2305 жыл бұрын
great vid!
@bartekczech326910 ай бұрын
I have a 1994 325i seden will the driveshaft line up if I got an zf with zf drift shaft to the diff
@ajiyra1188 Жыл бұрын
Hey do you have any idea if a Getrag box would work in a 328i that originally came with a ZF. Would the 328 Slave and master cylinder work correctly with the getrag
@FELIPE8226M5 ай бұрын
I did a manual 250g conversion in my e46, it makes a weird grinding resistance noise only while accelerating in 2nd gear not the typical grinding while going into gear. It shifts and drives perfectly fine would you happen to know what is wrong with it?
@jermaxam Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the video!
4 жыл бұрын
Hello, greetings from Chile and thanks for your video. I have a 1992 e36 325i AT and want to do a transmission manual swap. Years ago, someone sold me a getrag transmission supposedly extracted from e36 318i. When I tested the car, the gear ratio was a mess, so I installed a 3.15 m3 differential, but I never managed to get the car to be well connected to the gears. I have read in many forums that show that the getrag gearbox of the e36 1.8i is the same as the e36 325i, but I have doubts about what I mentioned before. When reviewing technical information I could see that e36 325i uses 3.12 differential and getrag 250 gearbox and that of 318i is getrag 225 if I remember correctly. I don't want to use my car to run or drift, I just want a nice car that at times can perhaps enjoy its power a bit. In Chile there are not many e36 325i MT, therefore, getting an original used transmission is impossible, I can only buy the e36 318i. Can you give me your opinion on exchanging getrag for e36 318i? I also wanted to ask if the weight of the 318i and 325i flywheel influences when trading. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us.
@CraigDoesDrift2 жыл бұрын
It will fit. Gearing is personal preference. Get it working and drive it
@charlieward76062 жыл бұрын
gear ratios are very similar, the 325i uses a 3.15 diff and a 318i will have either a 3.45 or 3.38 diff stock while you auto diff should be a 4.10 or 4.45 if i remember correctly and yes it will be extremely short if you leave the auto diff. i have a 4.45 in my manual and it cuts out at about 160-170kmh
@bigped8455 жыл бұрын
Nice one mate
@luisv56483 ай бұрын
Hi, just checking at the output flange issue: Would it be possible to change the output flange from the Getrag to the ZF, so that a medium size guibo would fit? That way you could actually keep the original transmission. Am I right?
@joalfafara53973 жыл бұрын
Really helpful info. Just got dizzy watching though.
@CraigDoesDrift3 жыл бұрын
Sorry about the dizziness and glad I could help
@murphdogfilms894 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@bryanswift103 жыл бұрын
Never heard anyone refer to a transmission made of chocolate that’s hilarious
@CraigDoesDrift3 жыл бұрын
😂
@user-ot7jd9dt7t2 ай бұрын
Early 330i 5 speed zf or a gs6-37bz 6 speed zf for a supercharged 330i application?
@danielserrano86002 жыл бұрын
Great info👌👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@r33skylineprojects59 Жыл бұрын
interested in th s14 conversion
@anilec3335 жыл бұрын
I don’t know why my 320i is using getrag 260
@gonzalosanchez85794 жыл бұрын
Thank you, it helped me a lot, I'm building a BMW 325i E36 M50B25TU Turbo + 600hp. I hope it doesn't break the box :) Greetings from Argentina
@agustinelorriaga57304 жыл бұрын
Gonzalo Sanchez zarpado! Cómo viene la conversión? Saludos desde NZ!
@charlieward76062 жыл бұрын
and how did it go? i suspect 600 is the upper limit, would be pretty suprised if it took 600+ if you drive it hard
@mahlamlu4098 Жыл бұрын
Great video , with my car i changed it from automatic to manual ,its a 320i e46 but i used the Getreg gearbox .the problem now is that the car cant angage gear number one at all either engine running or non running
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
Gearbox sounds ☠️
@Savingwow4 жыл бұрын
Clutch diameter are identical however friction plates are not. ZF always comes with 240mm friction surface where getrag comes with 228mm. That sensor is reverse light switch - speed sensor comes in diff.
@bike23august4 жыл бұрын
So can you still use the getrag clutch kit into a ZF transsmision?
@CraigDoesDrift2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@user-hy5hq2ik6j7 ай бұрын
Any one can tell which better getrag or zf ?
@andrewlangford884 жыл бұрын
Great video for people who are harvesting your BMW for a trans but otherwise know nothing about bimmers
@CraigDoesDrift4 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@likits19992 жыл бұрын
Great description during your video. I appreciate your info. Do you by any chance know what type of fluid were supposed to fill the 5 manual speed Getrag transmission with, ATF of MTF?
@bradrodger90822 жыл бұрын
ATF
@dokterkarel2 жыл бұрын
@@bradrodger9082 I'm not gonna disagree or be an asshole, but many people, even mechanics at BMW will tell to use ATF, while the oil provided from the factory in those boxes are MTF, and every brand of oil (kroon, champion, castrol, ...) recommends MTF for those.
@Jackman781 Жыл бұрын
I have a 330i auto. I have everything for Getrag 5 speed and want to do a swap. My issue rn is the driveshaft. I am curious if the front portion of getrag driveshat will mate up to rear portion of 330i auto.
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
I’m not to sure. Just Jack it up and have a quick look is my best suggestion. Sorry
@canned__meat4 жыл бұрын
Hey Mate, Thanks so much for the video. Just so I am clear on something. at about the 02:55 mark, you talk about bolt patterns being the same. What I am looking to find out through the BMW forums (with ZERO success mind you), is, do the bellhousings that bolt up to the M54 and N542 engines, line up?? The ones bolting up to the N52 seem to be missing the stud lug/hole at the starter mound (top far right as youre looking at the boxes at 02:56). Thank you in advance. Really appreciate your help!!
@CraigDoesDrift2 жыл бұрын
All of these boxes blot up no problem.
@canned__meat2 жыл бұрын
@@CraigDoesDrift - thank you so much mate! Really appreciate the reply and confirmation.
@leonflackett7397 Жыл бұрын
This video was very helpful! i Presume this means i can swap the auto gearbox from a 2003 330i E46 m54B30 with a zf6hp? please correct me if I'm mistaken?
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
Sorry, don’t know.
@saganworshipper60623 жыл бұрын
Do you know if I can just directly bolt a ZF box from an E90 335 xDrive that has an N55 to my E90 328 xDrive that has an N52 without all sorts of coding issues etc? The gearbox from the 335 is capable of handling a lot more torque. Just wondering, should mine wear out, if I can't replace it with the stronger one?
@CraigDoesDrift2 жыл бұрын
Not a clue 🕵️♀️
@nrgalltime5341 Жыл бұрын
Are the steptronic and regular automatic transmission in e46, e38, e39 physically the same? The only difference is the shifter wiring and the control module?
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
Sorry, don’t know.
@bilalchaaban32413 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vedio...im building an E30 325 turbo engine so which one should i choose the getrag or the zf?
@CraigDoesDrift3 жыл бұрын
Zf to be safe.
@aniluzun2321 Жыл бұрын
I have getrag from e34 6 cylinder . I will change with zf . Have on car m52b28 . What can i use on zf dualmass flywheel and clutc kit ?
@CraigDoesDrift11 ай бұрын
Yes
@bimmerDallasBikersUnitedDBUCan2 жыл бұрын
I need some help please. I have a 00 station wagon automatic my trans went out but I'm told it has a GM and my mechanic says there is zf and GM and it needs to be GM need help here what's the difference
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
Size of gearbox. Means you need a different size prop and gear linkage at least.
@sydneyNemesis1014 жыл бұрын
what oil do you put in for getrag or zf gearbox? 75w80? love the video
@BavarianM2 жыл бұрын
75w80 with BMW LT2/4 spec
@golfopressor97004 жыл бұрын
Hi friend, I have a change of this that does not enter the reverse? What can it be?
@CraigDoesDrift4 жыл бұрын
GOLF OPRESSOR sorry I do not understand.
@kevinwalsh44 жыл бұрын
The plug is the reverse sensor. I have nothing plugged into my getrag and still have a speedometer. Must be in the diff
@CraigDoesDrift4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info on that!
@xavierkerr26884 жыл бұрын
Would the zf bolt up to an getrag 240 driveshaft and shift linkages ??
@CraigDoesDrift4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure they are different lengths.
@ultimaterage92decpatt733 жыл бұрын
Quick question, I currently have the 320d 5 speed manual from an e46 in my supra an the ratios are way too small so looking for a bigger ratio box thats almost identical on the bellhousing and clutch side not fussed about the prop gear selector. Have you any idea
@CraigDoesDrift3 жыл бұрын
Input shafts are different I’m sure on diesels from petrol.
@charlieward76062 жыл бұрын
get the 320d 6 speed
@theylive82565 жыл бұрын
Hi mate, can you please tell me why is the 5-speed S5D 250G pops out in reverse gear?🙈
@TechTokOffical3 жыл бұрын
Needs the detents done...
@scottbrown14545 жыл бұрын
Nice one Craig. Will there be a wee video on the S14 😊
@CraigDoesDrift5 жыл бұрын
scott brown soon sir!
@cheetorito7865 Жыл бұрын
what fluid did you run in the getrag? having issues and wondering if i should use redline d4 atf/mtf🙏
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
I use standard and some Lucas oil stabilisers
@thomasnuggets97193 ай бұрын
yo where did you get a ZF trans for $250?!! The ones I see on ebay are $1000
@garysanchez88762 жыл бұрын
Just to confirm the transmission crossmember/brace is interchangeable?
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
I think you need the one for that box.
@96rincon2 жыл бұрын
Just bought a '98 328i for $600, gonna strip the zf and other components to install on an m50nv turbo in a '94 e36!
@MineldoAlbania2 жыл бұрын
in which country u find a 328i for 600$ man ?
@96rincon2 жыл бұрын
@@MineldoAlbania south Texas, US
@MineldoAlbania2 жыл бұрын
@@96rincon so lucky...here in albania to find a 328i engine u gotta pay 1k $ just for the engine
@raidenx90533 жыл бұрын
You have any info on swapping manual zf gearbox on a 1 uz fe?
@CraigDoesDrift2 жыл бұрын
Yes, check out my other videos
@Michael45P4 жыл бұрын
what is the weight difference between them? Thanks
@CraigDoesDrift4 жыл бұрын
Good question but no idea. Zf if defo heavier and a decent bit. But also takes the 600Nm ish that my Turbo 1UZ is pushing out 😎
@dizzinessman66832 жыл бұрын
Would the getrag handle drifting on a 325i? I
@CraigDoesDrift2 жыл бұрын
YES YES YES 👍
@paintskate6102 жыл бұрын
Man either of those in the US right now cost 400-1000 USD
@CraigDoesDrift2 жыл бұрын
Owch!
@jonathankempegyllensten28374 жыл бұрын
Is it the same if you have 5 speed Zf and a 6 speed zf or are they diffrent?
@CraigDoesDrift4 жыл бұрын
Not sure about the 6 speed but I doubt they are the same.
@hunkysauce99252 жыл бұрын
Six speed is longer slightly. if you’re swapping you’d need a different driveshaft.
@mjsauto64324 жыл бұрын
whats the relaibilty on the zf6hp26
@CraigDoesDrift4 жыл бұрын
Still not dead 💀😎 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rN-CaZmjubGUgY0.html
@sezerarslan6044 жыл бұрын
as a result, zf or getrag?
@CraigDoesDrift4 жыл бұрын
ZF if your putting it in something that is making more than stock 3litre power or a comp car where you want the extra reliability. Getrag is still great and I knocked the hell out of mine but it wont last if your doing more power than stock but super cheap (in UK)!
@shawngram19912 жыл бұрын
Thank u
@omarlondon5 жыл бұрын
is the bmw getrag e46 m3 as good as the v160 supra one?
@CraigDoesDrift5 жыл бұрын
adam london sorry bud, I don’t know.
@_i-kr6eg5 жыл бұрын
The e46 m3 has a ZF not a getrag. All e34 e36 ( 328i m sport ) and m3 and e46 have ZF transmission
@omarlondon5 жыл бұрын
@@_i-kr6eg thanks
@_i-kr6eg5 жыл бұрын
@@omarlondon not a problem 👍
@CraigDoesDrift5 жыл бұрын
mr323i thanks for helping @adam out bud!
@michaelmarcus5093 жыл бұрын
Thanks m8
@CraigDoesDrift3 жыл бұрын
No worries bud.
@michaelmarcus5093 жыл бұрын
@@CraigDoesDrift helped me see that I had the wrong selector rod in my M52 ZF swapped compact lol I kept the getrag one and re welded it when I had a correct one sitting around 😂😂! Keep up the great content man
@luckylegs8547 Жыл бұрын
Getrag is complete garbage they break at around 200whp especially drifting
@CraigDoesDrift Жыл бұрын
That’s about right. Seen loads lasting ages on m54b30 and there about 225bhp. I’d say the m54b30 is about the max limit.
@crisbivolaru819 Жыл бұрын
Gold nugget info thank you man ! I'm doing a manual conversion on my m54b30 and was searching everywhere if the getrag 250g could handle the torque . I think i will have to drive it with care then