Wind-up Gramophones - better than you don’t remember.

Wind-up Gramophones - better than you don’t remember. - HMV 102

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Acoustic wind-up record players remained on sale longer than you might have thought - this is a video about one of the best and the last portables - the HMV 102. If you want to hear music being played on this machine - here’s a playlist • HMV 102 Demos
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@Gadgetonomy 4 жыл бұрын

"Is this a wind up?" haha I loved that gag!

@ColdPie 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that might be the hardest I've laughed in weeks.

@tarmaque 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but I thought the rimshot was gratuitous.

@QunMang 4 жыл бұрын

For non-Brits like me: "WIND-UP ...12. (slang Brit) an act or instance of teasing: she just thinks it's a big wind-up." (The Free Dictionary)

@SilasHemmingway 4 жыл бұрын

@@QunMang Yes, for the confused non-Brits like us, this comment was quite the wind-up!

@QunMang 4 жыл бұрын

@@SilasHemmingway Indeed. I was wondering why that rimshot was even in the video- mistake or did I really miss something? When I read @Gadgetonomy's comment and the initial replies I decided to rewatch the segment, then finally looked it up when I still couldn't figure it out.

@brenthooton3412 4 жыл бұрын

I'm sure part of what gives 78s the reputation for having tinny, crackly sound is people digging them out a generation later and playing them on a regular turntable with a standard stereo LP cartridge. The wrong diameter stylus and the stereo cartridge would emphasize the surface noise. I finally got a proper mono, 78 cartridge last year and couldn't believe the difference it made in the sound.

@dougbrowning82 4 жыл бұрын

Hi-Fi actually got it's start back in the 78 age, late 40s early 50s. By then records were pressed in "unbreakable" Bakelite or Vinylite resins and played by standard sapphire or diamond styli. You could buy singles or albums, multiple disks in books, and play them on a handsome radio, TV, phonograph combination console, with a characteristics selector to set the sound for the various labels before the RIAA settled on the standard. This was before stereo, so the cartridges used were either moving metal magnetic or piezoelectric crystal monaural, tracking at 10 - 20 grams. Soon, however, the introduction of 45s and LPs would require the introduction of multi-speed phonographs with dual styli (standard and microgroove together) cartridges and auto size indexing to keep up with the innovations.

@swunt10 3 жыл бұрын

you can't play a 78 on a modern cartridge, so what the fuck are you even talking about..

@hamjazz 3 жыл бұрын

@@swunt10 Of course you fuckin' can if you get a 78 contour stylus --Shure have done them for years-- and put amp on mono .. Smartass yeharrr.

@julianhermanubis6800 3 жыл бұрын

The shape of the stylus itself on modern players just isn't ideal for 78s. They do still manufacture styluses made just for 78 records that fit modern players, however. I replaced the factory styluses on two of my modern players with these and the audio quality is much improved.

@hamjazz 3 жыл бұрын

@@julianhermanubis6800 Just likeI said above to Mars.

@bgrigg07 3 жыл бұрын

I had a very similar gramaphone back in the 70s when I was a teenager. I had to search out 78s as that was the only speed it played. As a result I ended learning about Gershwin and Berlin, Big Band, Classical and Jazz that my friends had never heard of. Quite the musical education and all because I was fascinated by an old gramaphone!

@eriksmith6873 2 жыл бұрын

I have my grandparents' Victrola -- a 1923 model they got as a wedding present. While not as good as the later Orthophonic models, I am still surprised by the quality of reproduction and the amazing loudness of the machine, without amplification. But what really gets me is that no electricity is involved. The spring keeps exactly the right tension, and the records play at a consistent speed from start to finish. That's the real miracle here.

@centurybug 4 жыл бұрын

I was NOT prepared for how good that second 75 sounded. Hifi mythbusting!

@highlypolishedturd7947 4 жыл бұрын

I almost spit out my coffee!

@BertGrink 4 жыл бұрын

Indeed! That took _ME_ quite by surprise as well. Very interesting thing, that. :)

@tubester4567 4 жыл бұрын

I agree. Im very surprised how good it sounds.

@ianforfun1 4 жыл бұрын

@@tubester4567 Took me by surprise too!

@buddyclem7328 4 жыл бұрын

Same. *78

@heinzk023 4 жыл бұрын

"In order to play electrically recorded disks, you need an electric player" "Do you have any?" "No, they're not invented yet"

@gramophoneshane 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah they had electric players from the late 1920s, but many country towns didn't have electricity, some until the 1960s

@HMV101 4 жыл бұрын

gramophoneshane Actually, Edison’s first model of his ’improved cylinder Phonograph’ was driven by an electric motor.

@jamesslick4790 4 жыл бұрын

@@HMV101 True enough, but they REALLY mean ELECTRONIC amplification during the RECORDING (and SOMETIMES playback) of the records, not the motive part.

@kinescope-zr8lh 4 жыл бұрын

gramophoneshane well there was the electrolas from as early as 1908. But yeah they weren’t fully electric until around 1927

@gramophoneshane 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think Brunswick and Victor were amongst the first to offer electrical driven turntables with electric amplification. Edison's first was the C-1 etc range of phono-radio combos. A portable made in Germany by Dual has a motor that was both spring driven and electrically driven, and 2 reproduces were supplied for accoustic or electrical playback. I've got a HMV 122 from 1939 that has a spring motor and electric pick up designed for use with battery radios, and a Paillard with electric motor and accoustic reproduction, so there was a variety of choices once electrical recording and reproduction came into being.

@ddelony1 3 жыл бұрын

Turntables made in the 1960s and '70s still had 78 rpm settings. It's amazing that those were still common enough back then. According to Wikipedia, they were still made in developing markets into the late 1960s. It would be interesting if you could get hold of any early electric gramophones to see how development progressed on the playback side.

@dummheitstube 2 жыл бұрын

Actually, the last shellac records were made in the early 70s in Africa.

@Zenith_V 2 жыл бұрын

I have an old gramophone/ am radio combo from somewhere around the late 30s to early 40s and am currently replacing old components, godda say they are pretty basic electronic wise but very complex to look at…

@Vinyl_guy 2 жыл бұрын

hell even brand new victrola players have 78

@rjh1226 2 жыл бұрын

80s too

@jahlaune Жыл бұрын

I remember you could flip the needle over for 78s back in the 70s

@broznkyra4853 4 жыл бұрын

I'm 70...born in 1949..a d can still remember seeing these "Victrolas" and selling the steel needles in my dad's TV repair shop in the late 50s & early 60s...

@LazerLord10 4 жыл бұрын

I have a stand-up unit with a similar hand crank, and it can fill the house with music! It even has volume adjustment via doors that cover the internal horn.

@kitgar61 4 жыл бұрын

Sounds fantastic. Or I imagine it does. :)

@LazerLord10 4 жыл бұрын

@@kitgar61 It probably still has the older pickup unit. I'm thinking that a new wide-frequency pickup head could make for a good fathers day gift.

@cymond 4 жыл бұрын

Which model? I love my VV-100

@Ecksterphono 3 жыл бұрын

I have a Victor Victrola IX 1913

@bobcarn 3 жыл бұрын

Is it a Victrola? I have one that sounds like yours.

@daveayerstdavies 4 жыл бұрын

I remember the HMV 102 from my nursery school in 1960 when I was 4 years old. I was fascinated with the ritual of winding and needle changing. The teacher would play us 'Nellie the Elephant' which was the class favourite.

@SangheiliSpecOp 4 жыл бұрын

Amazing, thank you for sharing!

@videomentaryproductionschannel 4 жыл бұрын

Bloody hell did you go to the same school 😂 as me lol

@sadiqmohamed681 4 жыл бұрын

My grandmother bought one of these for my mum some time around 1940, which she used to play "Nellie the Elephant" on to my sister in the early 60s. It is still around somewhere. I will have to look for it. When I was a kid I used to be fascinated by how it worked without electricity. This would have been in the early 50s, and by then my dad who was a bit of a gadget freak already had an electric HMV. I used to love opening the little draw and sorting all the needles!

@thespinninggroove5155 4 жыл бұрын

These old phonographs are so cool when you hear one in person it's like going back in time!!!

@AcousticallyYours 2 жыл бұрын

I actually started out becoming an audiophile, but as I sought more authentic historical recordings I became interested in acoustical technology. It has become a passion of mine for nearly 40 years now! (78’s and wax cylinders!)

@lucasRem-ku6eb Жыл бұрын

audiophile is mad old people that are having Hz issues, LOL

@RetroBitTech 4 жыл бұрын

ah techmoan. may be weird. but you have legit helped me mentally with your content. you give me a distraction from a depression i have that i can barley control. and your videos along with 8bit guys have helped me find a hobby. i now collect and fix all sorts of tech. and im a complete audiophile thanks to you. used to he fine with dollar store headphones. now im rocking 50$ Hesh 3s cause i cant stand bad audio now. so thank you. so much. im so glad your channel exists. and im so glad to be here apart of it.

@Techmoan 4 жыл бұрын

I’m happy to hear that. Depression is a git - glad I could help you kick it’s arse.

@NunofYerbizness 4 жыл бұрын

So I looked up what an "audiophile" is, and it means "a hi-fi enthusiast". You coulda just said that, because I thought you meant like you had an ASMR fetish.

@RetroBitTech 4 жыл бұрын

@@NunofYerbizness Ya know. I can see that. But. Now you know. Personally. ASMR is weird and makes me uncomfortable

@RetroBitTech 4 жыл бұрын

@@SnabbKassa oh wow. Guess some good can come out of bad things in this world.

@LeoMkII 4 жыл бұрын

@@NunofYerbizness hahaha, god

@davefink2326 4 жыл бұрын

"Modern-day record players." What's astounding is that term still is a valid reference for equipment playing the 70-yr-old LP.

@dougbrowning82 4 жыл бұрын

Modern record players haven't really changed since the late 1980s/early 90s. What they are making today is basically copies of what was available then, with the addition of digitization for user convenience. And the digitization in most of the cheap, Chinese players isn't that good, and the software they come with is often outdated. Most laptop computers can do the job better.

@dougbrowning82 4 жыл бұрын

@Deon Denis It doesn't. The CD contains drivers for the digitizer/IO interface and sound editing software, commonly an old version of Audacity.

@dougbrowning82 4 жыл бұрын

@SevelRomanov They need the preamp to drive the digital converter anyway, it works much better with a line level input than what the cartridge itself provides.

@theantiquescollector2199 4 жыл бұрын

78's aren't LP's!!!

@davefink2326 4 жыл бұрын

@@theantiquescollector2199 LPs are 70 years old. (78s are about a hundred years old!)

@francisgomes7203 3 жыл бұрын

This is such a great video of the oldest record player in those earlier years. One can imagine how much time and dedication was put into this marvelous invention . In those days, the craftsmanship was so good and authentic. 👍

@JohnK-gl3um 2 жыл бұрын

I obtained an HMV wind-up portable many years ago, and recall being amazed at the volume it delivered - ('put a sock in it' as you say), and in fact some of the 1950s 78 rpm discs contained enough energy within the grooves to bounce off the pick-up when played on a modern record deck. Many thanks for an informative and enjoyable video.

@frank234561 4 жыл бұрын

Non electric mechanical devices are so interesting.

@burnsloads 3 жыл бұрын

It blows my mind the things humans invented before electricity.

@walterlyzohub8112 3 жыл бұрын

I think Carl Sagan was right, Socrates’ lectures could have been recorded at the time if they knew about this. Also all that music where we only have a few written surviving pieces.

@EpicB 3 жыл бұрын

I want one of these that plays 33 rpm LP records.

@rajgill7576 3 жыл бұрын

People ask why I collect mechanical watches, same reason as vinyl loo

@ssahiljava2179 3 жыл бұрын

YASSS I KNOW

@ThatsnewsTV 4 жыл бұрын

Back in the 1960s our elderly teacher had us learning country dancing by playing records on her original wind-up gramophone player. Great fun!

@albertoppunto 3 жыл бұрын

This summer I was listening to a 101 that has been stored in my uncle house for ages. It was still working perfectly and I was surprised on how well it sounded. Amazing things!

@zachk.530 3 жыл бұрын

I imagine that listening to records must have been a different type of musical appreciation, since you only get a finite number of plays out of the needles

@encyclopediapareidolia9055 4 жыл бұрын

Every time I watch Techmoan I discover things I never knew I wanted. If there's a 78 revival in the next few months we know where it started.

@jst7714 4 жыл бұрын

There's been stranger events this year.

@yugimumoto1 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly 78s are pretty dope in my opinion. Course they have big issues such as the records actually being able to shatter, and degradation but heck they seem fun to mess around with.

@TheGramophoneGirl 2 жыл бұрын

There absolutely should be. Many of the players are now a century or older. Amazing to have an interactive antique.

@wisteela 4 жыл бұрын

I was amazed by the sound quality. Also, love that Not the Nine O'Clock news inspired bit.

@TheOneAndOnlyOuuo 3 жыл бұрын

I'm 22 and I DO remember them being this good. We had(still have) an HMV 102 at my grandparents' house. As a kid I used to spend my time listening to old records as we had no electricity there back then.

@CraigRodmellMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Wow! Not only do I have one of these, but I also have that exact same record (meaning the Schubert Serenade). Both the gramophone and the records were given to me by my grandmother when I was a small child. The gramophone had a broken spring, but my Father repaired it, and it gave me a lot of pleasure as a kid. I still have it up in my attic, fifty-odd years later.

@zemny1264 9 ай бұрын

I have a Limania Splendid from 1910 but it makes a lot of distortion with electrical 78 rpm records, is there a way to fix this?

@CraigRodmellMusic 9 ай бұрын

@@zemny1264 Not that I know of, sorry.

@philedney5381 4 жыл бұрын

Techmoan: plays an 80 year old copyrighted recording... Legal looking ghost appears: "ahem.. excuse me sir.."

@simonoleary9264 4 жыл бұрын

Slimer was a lawyer??? 😉

@Fifury161 4 жыл бұрын

That's how copyright works? Usually expires 50~100 years after the copyright owners death, however it depends what part of the world the claim is in...

@DeanDoom 4 жыл бұрын

@@Fifury161 Indeed, sadly and mainly thanks to disney that's now the case. It use to be immediately after said death.... then after a few years and now up to 70yrs after death

@Fifury161 4 жыл бұрын

@@DeanDoom It depends on the jurisdiction...

@michaelmartin9022 4 жыл бұрын

@@Fifury161 The US will likely increase it, soon. Disney has a lot of lobbying power and a death-grip on that mouse. Mind you, right now they're maintaining all those huge theme parks with precisely 0 customers coming through the doors, that can't be cheap.

@ross-carlson 4 жыл бұрын

PUPPETS ARE BACK! Anyone else really miss seeing the puppets? Please, more moar MOAR PUPPETS!

@lou_gubrious 4 жыл бұрын

absolutely missed them too

@BrentWalker999 4 жыл бұрын

Me too!

@raychambers3646 4 жыл бұрын

Missed them to.

@raychambers3646 4 жыл бұрын

MR TECH I own a portable gramophone which looks like a big box brownie camera when closed up,on seen two before one on repaire shop and the other on antiques road show.Could not believe sound quality from yours.

@lou_gubrious 4 жыл бұрын

@@bart.k no

@vnktravi 4 жыл бұрын

I am born in the cassette era, and haven't yet owned a record player, still a good learning. Techmoan thanks for your contributions.

@demonkey123 4 жыл бұрын

That takes me back. Being born in 74, I was allowed to play unfettered with one of these. The sight of all the plated fittings took me right back! Jimmy Shand was all I had to play using rose thorns from the garden as a needle! Thanks for a great Trip down Memory lane 👍😀

@gaefrogge5806 4 жыл бұрын

You talking about "when I'm gone" Thats just not gonna do man, we need ya here, I don't wanna hear it ❤

@G-ra-ha-m 3 жыл бұрын

If he avoids the jab, he should be here for a long time more!

@NOWtheband 3 жыл бұрын

@@G-ra-ha-m - What makes you think that?

@CarrotConsumer 3 жыл бұрын

@@G-ra-ha-m 🤡💩

@G-ra-ha-m 3 жыл бұрын

@@NOWtheband A number of very respected health professionals. In fact all of the ones not receiving money from the Bill and Melinda Foundation. Have a look at Health Impact News.

@NOWtheband 3 жыл бұрын

@@G-ra-ha-m - I see.

@Not-Great-at-Gaming 4 жыл бұрын

13:18 That "OC/DC" logo looks awfully familiar... Let there be Rock!

@agentvx8320 3 жыл бұрын

Gimme no! voltage! rock and roll! ;)

@alek3827 3 жыл бұрын

It's Metal! Yeah

@jesuschrist711 3 жыл бұрын

right? i wonder if thats where they got the idea for thier logo.

@connordalton9302 3 жыл бұрын

Looks like ac/dc

@alanscott4846 3 жыл бұрын

@@jesuschrist711 Nope one of the Young brothers ( I think Malcom) saw AC/DC on a vacuum cleaner.

@christopherkise 4 жыл бұрын

You keep lifting the bar, and the quality of your productions is now extremely high. Thank you for making this great show - your videos are just an excellent way of showing tech, and having a nice time at the same time. Stay safe Christopher

@autisticrebel1253 4 жыл бұрын

One of the things I really like about gramophones is how loud they can be, there can be a lot o body to the sound. The Columbia 112A was very loud and it played some of the records very well. But then the sound box insulator started to not work properly.

@CharlesHepburn2 4 жыл бұрын

Techmoan: today we will watch paint dry Me: this is going to be a good one!!!

@highpath4776 4 жыл бұрын

Big discussion on types of paint preparation temperature substrate lead content and so on

@CharlesHepburn2 4 жыл бұрын

High Path ....Me: munching popcorn

@heikovanderlaar3780 4 жыл бұрын

Sixty Symbols did it.

@thees79 4 жыл бұрын

I like old things that still do things. My favorite quote.

@areyousureyouenteredyourna85 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there's just something really impressive about a piece of technology older than I am that still functions properly amongst a world filled with throwaway crap designed to break in a year and be replaced.

@chuheihkg 4 жыл бұрын

I agree, when digital is not available. Even some movie implies the thing, but not so fast.

@tortysoft 4 жыл бұрын

I was stunned by how loud the replay can be when I heard one ! - and 10KHz too - remarkable. Oh yes, the Muppets meet Not the Nine O'clock News sketch was nicely underplayed.

@jacksweet484 2 жыл бұрын

My dad still has this exact model! Next time I see him I'll have to find out when and where it was made. He always brings it out around Christmas time, so this year I got him a collection of gospel blues 78s ordered from Etsy. All pressed in 1948 I believe. They've clearly been very well looked after - no dust or scratches and hardly any surface noise at all. Much clearer sounding than any others in his collection. As for the gramophone itself, the sheer power on the thing is astonishing!! It fills up a whole house with ease, so easy to forget there's no electric amplification going on at all. We always find ourselves without any tea towels at Christmas because my dad has had to stuff them all into the trough!!

@CyberCreeper22 4 жыл бұрын

I like working antiques too man ive been having fun with this 1950's camera that is to this day my most reliable camera

@gamershadow1 4 жыл бұрын

Yay puppets! Those sketches are always hilarious.

@alexthomson7465 3 жыл бұрын

I bought what I think is a 102 from a brocante in France. Its great condition (though not quite as mint as this one,) and came with an original tin of gold needles and a load of I guess steel ones, 5 cases of slate records all catalogued so it was clearly somebody's pride and joy from days of old. I absolutely adore putting on a 78, closing my eyes and being transported back in time. I feel quite privelidged to now be the guardian of such a piece of history. Yet another fantastic vid!

@RenaissanceEarCandy 4 жыл бұрын

At the time when vocal music was recorded through an acoustic horn, there wouldn't have been a way to turn the volume up and down to equalise the many different volumes singers use in one song. This was especially true in opera. So, they had to make up for that by singing closer to the horn on quieter, usually lower notes, and further away from the horn on louder, usually higher notes. And because of how quick that change needed to be, the movement from closer to further was often a quick leap. However, some opera singers were well known to be.. quite large, and so were unable to move quickly enough to match the note with how close they needed to be to the horn. So, they devised a system which fixed the problem - wherein larger opera singers stood on specially made trolleys, which could be quickly moved closer to or further away from the horn as required. I know the image this conjures shouldn't be funny... But it is.

@LMacNeill 4 жыл бұрын

That was fascinating -- I had no idea the different sound-boxes existed, that give you different frequency responses. I just figured they were all AM-radio-like, topping out at 3,000 Hz like an AM radio signal does. But no -- yours is 10 KHz?! Very surprising! What's even more surprising -- you can still get new needles for these things, apparently? Look at all those needles you have! Wow!

@Techmoan 4 жыл бұрын

Yes the needles are still being made. There’s something very pleasing about a colourful new tin of needles. The three tins from OC/DC are newly made - links in the video description. Although some of the demos were recorded with NOS vintage medium needles.

@hoilst 4 жыл бұрын

@@Techmoan I remember William Gibson mentioning that, in California during the war, they use to use spines from a specific cactus since they couldn't get needles due to the metals shortage.

@filipbarski6990 4 жыл бұрын

There were also sold as an upgrade for example the Meltrope range is quite well known

@filipbarski6990 4 жыл бұрын

hoilst the cactus or bamboo needles are called „fiber” and they are said to cause less wear to records

@Techmoan 4 жыл бұрын

Most experts recommend avoiding the fibre needles as they can shed bits in the groove that are very difficult to extract.

@omsi-fanmark 4 жыл бұрын

"Hey, turn that volume down!" "Sorry, one volume setting only!" ;-)

@MonoChorMe 4 жыл бұрын

"...Then put a sock in it!" 🧦📣 hehehehe JK 😜

@michaelmartin9022 4 жыл бұрын

The old uprights and consoles had doors in front of the horn you could close, too!

@stevesstuff1450 4 жыл бұрын

Or use a bamboo needle instead; softer and quieter tone.

@richardhunter9995 4 жыл бұрын

If it's too loud, you're too old.

@jakebedi 4 жыл бұрын

The volume actually "can" be controlled. The top lid - you see does not have a lock. If you lower it down, the hinge auto stops the lid and does not drop the top flat on the platter. Adjust the lid, and you hear volume going up and down. Try it out....... I am in India and recently got my hands on a green version of an 102C from Amritsar Punjab ---- apparently when we were colonized, allot good stuff was also brought in the country - they still stayed back with people or the Sahib.........its all good.

@upgrade1373 3 жыл бұрын

thanks for making these! It's a really great way to see how much better things really were back in the day.

@Hellhound604 15 күн бұрын

KZfaq just staring recommending your channel to me, so sorry for commenting on videos you made ages ago… brings back so many nostaligic memories. One of my uncles livedwith his old parents. The oldman had one of those old wind-up grammophone player, and would spend hours explaining to me the use of different needles on the grammphone player… from modern steel-needles to pine needles. He just believed in pine-needles that had to be changed after playing 2 or 3 records, 😂😂😂, but nevermind that, that old man, always dressed immaculately with his chained pocketwatch, triggered my interest in electronics…. I was just a young kid then, maybe 6-years old when he died, but he fascinated me with his old grammophone player and his old radio-receiver… that was in the late 60’s… watching to the end, talking about the different needles, yeah, he had a few boxes of steel needles, that didn’t make sense to me up to now, so thanks for explaining that… but I do remember he was adamant about the pine needles being so much better than the steel needles…

@andrefiset3569 4 жыл бұрын

At 7:05 in the foreground a musician is holding a Stroh violin, specifically engineered for acoustic recordings.

@roboftherock 4 жыл бұрын

I saw a middle-aged street musician using one of those a couple of years ago. I had to stop and ask what he was playing. It took me 10 minutes to get away from him - he was so enthusiastic about it!

@nicholasalexander4743 3 жыл бұрын

I like the Stroh fiddle as an instrument in its own right.

@izzieb 4 жыл бұрын

1:57 and 2:05 are nice shots. Could sell those as stock footage.

@LongPeter 4 жыл бұрын

If he did, he’d probably get content matched on this, his own, original video using the footage 😒

@googleblows4016 4 жыл бұрын

It's a beautiful gramophone, but it's in need of a re-cap.

@DISCODAN1 4 жыл бұрын

I learn something new every time I watch one of your videos! Thank you for keeping aging audiophiles like myself something to learn every now and again! Cheers from across the pond, near Washington, DC (please don't hold that against me) ;-)

@chrispenn715 4 жыл бұрын

I used to restore these as a hobby, along with my teenage son in the '90s. We bought and sold loads of them and kept a couple for ourselves. I had a blue HMV 102 which I used to take out to shows with my 1936 Morris Eight. My son still has an HMV 103, which he learned to french polish on. I was always amazed with the quality - and the volume of some records. Going through auction job lots, we discovered a few great performers that have been long forgotten - Wynnonie Harris singing 'Bloodshot Eyes' is a real standout! The 78 version sounds so much better than the cleaned up version available on CD/download. Great fun!

@fritspas 4 жыл бұрын

Now you made me want to watch the "Not the nine o'clock news" grammophone sketch.

@AtheistOrphan 4 жыл бұрын

fritspas - Same here!

@AfferbeckBeats 4 жыл бұрын

3 watts... no, two thousand!

@AtheistOrphan 4 жыл бұрын

danehb89 - Classic!

@bansheemania1692 4 жыл бұрын

With GOOD Needles You can get great sound...i love my Stand up Victrola.. and Its 5am and Im Still Awake.

@zacharygustafson8714 4 жыл бұрын

Same, buddy, same.

@PaulinesPastimes 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for showing this. There is so much misinformation and lack of knowledge out there and you demonstrated the machine beautifully. It is a mechanical work of art. HMV machines were always high quality. I used to have a cheap generic portable and a large console model from the 1920's (sadly, both sold decades ago) I still have the needles though. I played my 78's with a modern magnetic cartridge. Also nice to see those two jokers making an appearance too :-) Cheers

@MichaelMacGyver 3 жыл бұрын

It'd be interesting to see if it'd be possible to use some kind of adapter to enable the use of a modern stylus with the soundbox, and maybe a spring or something to decrease/lessen the amount of tracking force the arm applies, all to allow this unit to use modern records without fear of damaging them (too much).

@Jason1920 2 жыл бұрын

Back in the day... you *could* buy a counter-weight for your EMG, Victor, or HMV. They _kind of_ worked... but, it's hard to notice a difference. When you're talking about a "modern stylus," I assume you mean something with a diamond tip. Nope. It would eat up a shellac disc in one play. It's fine when you're using a modern light-weight tone arm with a modern cart, but trying to use one with an antique sound box? Nope.

@eriksmith6873 2 жыл бұрын

When I was a kid, we found a working Victrola in a church storeroom, and naturally we needed to find a record to play. We found one, a 33 rpm LP. We put it on the turntable, turned the crank, set the needle down -- and heard the most awful of noises. It was the last time anyone played that record, too.

@quentagonthornton49 2 жыл бұрын

The arm on an acoustic player needs to apply a lot of force to extract enough energy from the rotating record to make the sound loud enough as there isn't any electronic amplification. Another thing is that modern records usually are lower RPM (33 1/3) and have smaller grooves. This is great for maximizing that amount of music you can pack onto the record, but for an acoustic player without electronic amplification, means less sound as smaller grooves and lower RPM=less energy=less sound and it probably wouldn't be enough sound for a gramophone.

@blakkneit9779 4 жыл бұрын

i find this analog technology way more stunning and interesting than all that digital stuff today

@funkjoker70 4 жыл бұрын

haha zwangsläufig. Haben se am Altschauerberg wieder mal den Strom gekappt. 😏

@DaXande135 4 жыл бұрын

Meddl Loide!

@DaXande135 4 жыл бұрын

Ja klar, so macht man das doch immer :D @funkjoker

@resneptacle 4 жыл бұрын

Really depends on the viewpoint

@thomasa.243 4 жыл бұрын

Well, my background is in digital electronics and I personally find both very interesting. You have to look at the mathematics behind all the digital media like CD, DVD, etc. Very stunning indeed 👍

@dingdongbells3314 4 жыл бұрын

I dare must say, it was an unexpected and marvelous thrill to have the surprise visit from the puppets part way through.... but then a tinge disappointing at the end credits, cuz I knew they weren't likely going to show up after having already done their skip during the the main video. Of course, what am I complaining about? If that's the most of my worries considering everything going on in the world, I guess I must be pretty lucky. Stay safe everyone, and remember to use your heads!

@andreefloresmartinez2197 4 жыл бұрын

I used to own a huge 78 rpm classical music collection from the 30's - 40's that was almost unplayed. Some of the albums had even the price tags and discs looked like a mirror, not even a scratch on them. I was surpriesed how bright, beautiful and clear was the sound, when played on a 1910's HMV with a huge brass horn , no cracks, no chips, just the zzzz sound when the needle passes through the groove. Something that you cannot replicate with digital recordings.

@djblackjackshellac 4 жыл бұрын

A couple interesting things about this machine (I have 3 of them). The inside is really fun to look at, and to get a full appreciation for how carefully crafted it is. If you unscrew the wooden motorboard and lift it out, it's fascinating to see just how big the horn is, how it's PACKED in there and you realize that what you have in this black box, in essence, is really JUST a horn, with a tiny motor shoehorned into the middle. Also, stick an SM58 into the opening, and witness the amazing frequency capabilities. Bass for days!

@18000rpm 4 жыл бұрын

Wow the Muppets appearing in prime time

@MrPeterhe 4 жыл бұрын

How interesting! My mother have told me that they had gramophones like these when she went to dances in the forties. She told that sometimes they couldn't hear the music properly for the sound of the feet of the dancing couples. I had no idea that I could get needles on eBay. We only had a few left so I haven't really wanted to use them. I better order a tin.

@BertGrink 4 жыл бұрын

Hehe you can buy almost _anything_ on ebay; i once heard about a norwegian comedian who put his soul up for sale on auction there, and he actually got quite a high number of bidders before ebay stepped in and closed the auction because you have to have a "substantial" item to be allowed to sell, according to their terms. They are such spoilsports! ;)

@charliebrown1976 4 жыл бұрын

People still manufacture steel needles, and even bamboo needles. Steel needles are very cheap, but bamboo needles sound a little better, albeit quieter. Look around for places other than eBay. You can pay a lot less than you would for new old stock needles.

@joonglegamer9898 4 жыл бұрын

@@BertGrink Yep, you could even buy a whole family. I thought it was hilarious.

@BertGrink 4 жыл бұрын

@@joonglegamer9898 I don't know if it's the same guy you're referring to, but i also heard about an Australian guy who actually sold his entire life: Home, family, car, job, and even his circle of friends.

@joonglegamer9898 4 жыл бұрын

@@BertGrink Yeah, that's another Example I heard of as well.

@SansBinky 4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I'm here while you're here, mate. Always have awesome top quality videos to look forward to 😁 I have no doubt that they're time consuming to produce, but you keep doing them. So we're forever grateful

@mattssonfelix3882 2 жыл бұрын

I own an His Masters Voice 101, and the sound quality of it still amazes me! Gramophones are really fun to bring over to friends' houses to show them that Spotify isn't the only way to listen to music😆😆

@cjmarsh504 4 жыл бұрын

10,000 hz of sound from a gramaphone? That's amazing.

@Namehack 4 жыл бұрын

Glad to se the puppets again. 😀

@yoshisaurusrex3767 2 жыл бұрын

You did it and made me buy a worn out Model 101. Repaired it, rebuilt the soundbox as best as I could. A little rough on the high frequencies, but works like a charm otherwise. Had so much fun with the whole project and its outcome. Thank you for introducing me to this kind of device :)

@2ManyGoats 4 жыл бұрын

Ok what happened? I just stumbled onto your channel yesterday, and now I've watched over a dozen hours of your videos. Love your content! Premium sub added

@naota3k 4 жыл бұрын

12:23 when you weighed the tracking force I legitimately shouted out loud "oh my GOD!"

@revivedfears 3 жыл бұрын

Cool 😎 man

@Gartral 4 жыл бұрын

on the subject of your legacy living on... if I have my way many times over grandkids will be learning directly from your vids.

@pieteri.duplessis 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. We had an old His Master's Voice on the farm when I was a mere boy but never realised that there is so much to these old machines and their records. Nice presentation too.

@rickshearer 4 жыл бұрын

This history lesson must go on record as thoroughly entertaining! 💿

@trendmassacre8423 Жыл бұрын

I see what you did here.

@Iconoclasher 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for clarifying the sound quality degrading over time. I always wondered if they sounded better when new. I have quite a number of 78s in my collection that were unplayed when I got them, and I just figured that was as good as it gets.

@manFromPeterborough 3 жыл бұрын

Only play them on electric turntable to not wear them out

@bradchervel5202 4 жыл бұрын

I love watching the lines flow through the needle.

@alexmousley7213 8 ай бұрын

Fascinating video- really nice to see your explanation of these wonderful old machines, your enthusiasm shines through.

@metropoliszx9961 4 жыл бұрын

"I like old things that still do things" you have put the rights words to what i feel. Thats why i'm here. Greetings from Argentina.

@Mike1614b 4 жыл бұрын

1:35 Schubert-Liszt: S.560 No.7 - "Ständchen" (Serenade)

@hectoralejandrotorrespopoc9232 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I searched nearly an hour to find your comment

@brandonreynolds7380 3 жыл бұрын

I’m trying to find the vinyl or even the same song he plays here but it appears to be all piano versions. If you see the version on KZfaq or anywhere or the vinyl for sale he plays let me know thankyou!

@Mike1614b 3 жыл бұрын

@@brandonreynolds7380 you can kinda zoom in on the record before he spins it. the center label says: Serenade, Schubert, Salon Orchestra, 78RPM, Cat. S2765. also 8-522

@brandonreynolds7380 3 жыл бұрын

@@Mike1614b thank you I will try to find it

@kompandach6766 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks king

@MelsvanWees 4 жыл бұрын

The muppets are back 🎉🎶

@PassiveDestroyer 4 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad that they came back. I've missed them for a while.

@MelsvanWees 4 жыл бұрын

PassiveDestroyer me too I love that dry british humor!

@RTheren 4 жыл бұрын

And better than ever :)

@Shaun.Stephens 4 жыл бұрын

They're not "Muppets" - that's a trademark of Jim Henson. These are puppets.

@MelsvanWees 4 жыл бұрын

Shaun Stephens a trademark now owned by Disney... he calls them his muppets him self (in the Patreon odd casts and in some of the descriptions on patreon) maybe he got them in a Disney store where you can make your custom muppets.

@markbeeson2610 4 жыл бұрын

I love your videos. So much information and history behind these products. A fascinating way to pass a bit of downtime 👍

@bobuk5722 4 жыл бұрын

Hi TM. We had this model as a child, over 60 years ago now. There were ‘harder’ needles with a red band where they fitted into the sound head and also ‘thorn’ needles which were gentle on the record but definitely one play only. I regret to say I dismantled it - the wind up clockwork motor was something to behold, absolutely massive. Brings back memories. Stay safe. BobUK

@mehtasid 3 жыл бұрын

5:54 Hey let that run... it's beautiful music

@vinylhound43 4 жыл бұрын

Love your channel, Technomoan. Thanks for the informative video. When I was just a small lad about 50 years ago in the early 70s, my parents answered a classified ad and bought a Columbia Grafonola, a big standing acoustic phonograph with lots of records in storage drawers. It was about 65 years old then. A few years later, we drove by White Horse Antiques in Albany, New York, USA on the way to church. There in the window was a Edison Home Phonograph, a cylinder phonograph that used a small brass horn for amplification. I dreamed about that thing for weeks, even doodling bad renderings of it in my notebooks at school, and I'm sure I made a complete nuisance of myself about it at home, as well. One Saturday my Dad and I went there. I made a beeline for it. He was doing a bit of haggling with the owner until I walked up (oblivious) and with stars in my eyes said, "Gosh, Dad, it's the greatest thing I've ever seen." Needless to say, he paid the listed price. I, too, like vintage antiques that do something, and I learned a valuable lesson about haggling on the drive home! My grade school age mates were listening to Three Dog Night at the time; I was hooked on the greatest hits of 1900-1945. I became known for my retro weirdness, but I didn't care. Now I collect Magnavox tube stereo gear, so for my audio at least, I'm still about 60 years behind the times! Stay safe, everyone!

@bobmclaughlin7276 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, i hear ya, most of the audio in my place is amplified via vacuum tubes.. A Scott amp, for discs, tape and cd'. Radio via a, '37 GE console radio, or a European "lucor" table radio.. I'm also a clock "nut"... It's not a real clock, unless it ticks, you have to wind it...

@bobmclaughlin7276 2 жыл бұрын

@patprop74 4 жыл бұрын

there is a charm to seeing the needle head swaying and dancing around the record as it does.

@Pretermit_Sound 3 жыл бұрын

That is one of the most pristine looking HMV gramophones I have ever seen. Amazing

@yueibm 4 жыл бұрын

3:16 reminds me of Spongebob blowing leaves.

@DockingFreidmanRecords 2 ай бұрын

😊 yep

@theodoretekkers 4 жыл бұрын

Loved the puppet show. That wind up pun is criminal 🤣🤣🤣

@mUbase 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. I love Gramophones. I got one for my 9th Christmas in 1984. I used to buy 78s from the War memorial shop in town. I was fascinated by the different sizes and esoterica of the labels from the period.I learned from a friend of my Parents that you could make spare needles from hawthorn bush needles which I used to collect and dry out in front of the coal fire.

@aodhganmerrimac 3 жыл бұрын

Another excellent video. I have an HMV 101 along with a number of home machines. You nailed it with the info about what record one can play on an acoustic machine. Newer 78s have less abrasives mixed in to aid honing the needle. Thanks for the plug of the TMF too!

@CantankerousDave 4 жыл бұрын

That intro immediately made me think he’d go “Are you experienced? Have you ever been experienced? Well, I have.” (One of my favorite Jimi songs.)

@brycevo 4 жыл бұрын

This is an astounding piece of tech. And I honestly would love one of these in my collection. I rather enjoy it

@Roberob1189 3 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love this guys videos. Have so for a few years now. Going to be a sad day when they come to an end.

@rurone 4 жыл бұрын

I love when you cover these old formats/machines!

@djdigital3806 4 жыл бұрын

"Stick a sock in it". I thought it was in the mouth 😃. I'm 56 and remember the RCA dog with the gramophone on my grandmother's (78rpm) records. As a child I used to watch my mother's records (45rpm) revolving around with amazement and was fascinated by it. Today as a DJ I'm amazed with the sonic quality of my (33rpm) records. I still have to watch the tape a DJ places on his records to mix! My Stanton STR8-80 turntables have speed of (33, 45 and 78 rpm) with reverse function and digital out. Time's have changed!

@Musicradio77Network 4 жыл бұрын

It was Nipper, the very first mascot of both the Victor Talking Machine Co. and the Gramophone Company where “His Master’s Voice” as the company’s motto and the brand until RCA took over by 1929 and rebranded as the RCA Victor, and the RCA Manufacturing Co.

@sgtcreasegrease 2 жыл бұрын

Really good decks you're rocking! Got the 7000mk2s myself. Respect, from a younger DJ to an older DJ.

@michaeljordan5372 2 жыл бұрын

I discovered to my surprise that my father owned a very early wind up gramophone with a massive collection of century old records in the cabinet beneath. To my shock when I tried it...it actually worked...& sounded quite good! I had a similar experience when I turned on a large beautiful tube radio from the early 1930's or so & it too sounded absolutely incredible. I could see why ppl would gather around it like a console TV of the 70's with it's deep rich sound & large lit up circular dial possibly listening to WAR OF THE WORLDS. Our assumption that we only recently have had good technology is false! I think ANY device like a gramophone that could play beautiful music with NO electricity required is perhaps the better technology given it's power source is Free & ALWAYS available even in a post apocalyptic world which we seem to be headed toward. U can see y futuristic movies often show the only things left r old technology where everything digital has been destroyed & wiped out. If we really indeed wanted to be "green" & reduce reliance on generated power & foreign oil these old manually powered concepts might be the REAL answer.

@zemny1264 9 ай бұрын

I have a Limania Splendid from 1910 but it makes a lot of distortion with electrical 78 rpm records, is there a way to fix this?

@vilstef6988 4 жыл бұрын

Several weeks ago, I watched your Mikiphone video and since then I've seen a number of videos about acoustic phonographs. I've been quite impressed with the sound quality on a few of them. But I'm also a big fan of ragtime and early jazz and the sound processing they are capable of doing on old 78s is also really impressive. Yeah, I'm a sucker for lots of vintage music, gear etc.

@julessw11battersea67 4 жыл бұрын

This is the first model I ever bought. I was a bit of an odd kid, and spent all my summer holiday money on it, along with a carry-case of mixed records from Tommyfields Market in Oldham. £3 new pounds! Iwas staying with my grandparents (around 1974/5) and I think I drove them a bit mad playing the WIlliam Tell Overture and novelties like 'My Friend the WItchdoctor'. I ended up with a rather large collection which I sold when I went to the Technical College - all but one, and it wasn't this one but the Decca Worlds Patent model from the mid 30's. Still got it. Thanks for the video - vey entertaining.

@horrgakx 4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting video, and some good insight to how they work. My aunt has a large floor standing gramophone, it's always closed and she uses it as a kind of sideboard for photos etc. Unfortunately it's broken but I might try those websites you link above to see what's involved in getting it working again.

@yannastra 4 жыл бұрын

Very cool sound system! Really makes you wonder about how far recording and playback technology has gone in the ~100 years after this came out!

@azop 4 жыл бұрын

What a coincidence! Got vintage wind-up gramophone and bunch of classic records just day before this video was up. Thanks!

@KimchiYeo 2 жыл бұрын

i like the crackle and pops really,feels oldgashioned and has it's own special sound that you can't replicate with modern devices

@spaceman103 4 жыл бұрын

16:03 please don’t go! It aint your time yet😉

@aguynamedperson9037 4 жыл бұрын

he was to young to die:(

@spaceman103 4 жыл бұрын

Bray33 Sadly, most people are.

@OzRetrocomp 4 жыл бұрын

Still better than a Crosley.

@IntegerOfDoom 4 жыл бұрын

So is an Arby's wet fart.

@mr19zee 4 жыл бұрын

@@IntegerOfDoom hahahahahahahahahahaha

@The_Studioworkshop 4 жыл бұрын

No it isn’t.

@piperxy 4 жыл бұрын

This joke is getting really old.

@The_Studioworkshop 4 жыл бұрын

It’s all the crybaby Americans that say it since Crosley sold their brand to the Chinese, and we know how much they hate them!

@Heisenbrick 3 жыл бұрын

I inherited my grandfathers 78s yesterday sadly we lost him a year ago but thankfully he taught us about country western music like Merle Travis and bob wills. I have been playing them on a General Electric mustang 200 record player but I’m planning on buying an acoustic gramophone in the near future. Unfortunately there is not as much information on the hobby online as I thought there would be. But this episode of Techmoan Is a great resource! I have collected 33 rpm for years but there is something new and fascinating about this older mechanical technology...

@kgriffith16 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! Fifty years ago I bought a Victrola from the original owner's daughter. It came with about 100 records, stored in books. The most unusual thing it included was about 20 stylus (needles) that are made of bamboo. They are triangular and fit perfectly in the triangular play head of the machine. They were probably intended to single use as they wear quite rapidly. They produce a more mellow sound than the traditional steel needles.