RetroTech: Sony's bizarre Ruvi camcorder

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Techmoan

7 жыл бұрын

I love a good bad idea - and this was one of the best.
Sony's 1998's Ruvi was a one-off camcorder experiment. In the video you can find out what made this a unique failure.
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Guessed Potential Questions or Comments (Q=Question, C=Comment)
Q) Is the tape a loop?
A) No it runs from one reel to the other then you rewind it.
Q) Will you do a video about that MicroMV camcorder?
A) Yes I plan to, one day
Q) Would the video have looked sharper with a brand new video cartridge?
A) Worn out tape will usually show drop-outs (small white lines) but this tape didn't have any which indicates the tape was still fine. If this was my camera I doubt I'd have recorded on it 'hundreds of times' - I'd probably have used it a few times over a year or two then upgraded to a different camera.
Q) If the camera only has an analog output how did you capture the video?
A) With a video capture device hooked up to the composite output from the camera.
Q) Did you change the video title?
A) Yes, I couldn't decide on a suitable word, but the Quarrymen did all right after a name change, so what's in a name.
Q) Why are there no muppets in this video?
A) They don't appear in every video - they just come out when something 'amusing' comes to mind for them to express. Today - I have nothing. Writer's block.
C) Actually I think you'll find that those pentalobe screws were....
A) ....
C) That shirt needed ironing
A) Yes it did - I wore a creased shirt to demonstrate the lack of shadow-definition on the Ruvi (this is not true).
Q) I really need to see what MiniDV video looked like from that JVC camcorder (for some unfathomable reason)
A) Well here's some indoors footage I took with it in 1998 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/baiqbLpqrtuwgJs.html
Q) What's this New York in 1993 in HD thing you mentioned?
A) So you're the person who hasn't seen it... more info here www.techmoan.com/blog/2016/4/22/retro-tech-that-time-when-hd-came-on-vhs.html
Q)Where do you get the old magazines from?
A) books.google.com/
C) You said that the footage 'might have looked like it came from 20 years earlier than 1998, that's 1978, video in 1978 wouldn't have looked like that.
A) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole
C) In those magazines there is a camcorder for $23,000
A) Typo
Q) Do you have downloadable full size photos of the interior of that video cartridge
A) Why yes, yes I do - www.techmoan.com/blog/2016/10/25/i-love-a-good-bad-idea-and-the-sony-ruvi-was-one-of-the-best.html
C) So I noticed that at the beginning of the video in a totally unscripted bit when you spoke to the camera uninterrupted for three minutes that you referred to 8 years as as few...however I don't think 8 is a few...I think it's more than that.
A) Is this really what you wanted to do with your life, trying to pick apart videos on youtube? Have a try at making something...it's a lot harder than sitting watching a phone on the toilet while eating Cheetos and complaining about everything, however it can be a lot more rewarding too. You never know you might become a youtube megastar and experience things from the other side.
C) Hey dude I would have just spooled new tape inside that cartridge from a Hi8 cassette
A) Cool story bro.
C) I saw some white chewing gum stuck to the camera
A) It was white-tac used to hold the camera on it's end in one of the size comparison photos - I neglected to remove it and it now has completely ruined the entire internet for everyone...sorry about that.

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@zeos386sx
@zeos386sx 7 жыл бұрын
that cartridge is quite possibly the most sony thing ever.
@richardemms3050
@richardemms3050 6 жыл бұрын
Indeed, elaborate and impractical. But solves a minor issue. Does anyone remember the Sony Mavica digital camera? Storing photos on a floppy disk was brilliant when nobody was using USB sockets.
@BigMack2020
@BigMack2020 5 жыл бұрын
That is very sony of sony
@IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT
@IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT 5 жыл бұрын
@@richardemms3050 Don't forget proprietary
@stevenlenkowsky6879
@stevenlenkowsky6879 5 жыл бұрын
zeos386sx My two still work, so there’s that!
@straightpipediesel
@straightpipediesel 4 жыл бұрын
Just like Minidisc, It wasn't Sony's idea. They just copied and shrunk the airborne recorders used by the military. Those systems were almost the same. By eliminating the removable tape, it was smaller, more rugged, and could be environmentally sealed.
@Musical_Museum
@Musical_Museum 9 ай бұрын
Not sure how we have not commented on this before now! Thank you so much to Matt for downloading and donating the footage shown at 6:10 (there was more) which is a rare glimpse of our original Museum in St. George's Church, Brentford before we moved to our new purpose-built location over 15 years ago. We really appreciated the time you took to do this for our tiny charity, as we have no video records from this time. The footage is now on our channel (MusicalMuseumLive), and safely backed up in our archive on several different digital media. Thanks also to Sam (from YT channel ThisMuseumIsNotObsolete) who introduced us to Matt!
@KahlessTheUnforgettable
@KahlessTheUnforgettable 7 ай бұрын
It’s amazing to ponder what various people have tucked away on videotapes collecting dust in their attics! Interesting story!
@billymonkey111
@billymonkey111 7 жыл бұрын
"Those aren't pentalope screws...WE DON'T CARE!". I work with someone exactly like that.
@The8BitGuy
@The8BitGuy 7 жыл бұрын
I've never heard of this before. However, I must say I would have probably liked it back in 2000. Even as far back as that, I was using a Hi-8 camcorder and as soon as I would record some footage, I would use a video capture card and pull it into my computer. That's how I kept all of my home movies back then. And then, I would simply re-use the same cassette over and over again until it wore out. And since I would have captured it straight to my PC, it wouldn't have had as much degradation as going to VHS. Honestly, I think the video quality looks pretty good compared to the Hi-8 camera I was using at the time. So I guess I would give this device a thumbs up. But I know my usage case would have not been the norm in 2000.
@hideouslyhilarious
@hideouslyhilarious 7 жыл бұрын
The 8-Bit Guy u
@KarlBaron
@KarlBaron 6 жыл бұрын
@ropersonline Even if they were to make a HDD for it, I bet it would still be analog rather than digital. There were analog disc formats before - look up "Video Floppy" or "Mavipak".
@marrieddyke
@marrieddyke 5 жыл бұрын
That's still how I do things. 1080p video the way my phone records it is a bit much for my wee SD card, so I get out my Canon ZR-200, set it to 16:9 and LP mode and have fun whenever I need to record something longer than ten minutes. I've only got three tapes though, so I'll do an SP-speed dub to a videotape for safety, and then dub the footage to a PC and reuse the MiniDV tape.
@lunarmodule6419
@lunarmodule6419 3 жыл бұрын
You're always to ahead of the parade. Come IN the parade, its fun! 😃 Low tech and all LOL.
@TheDzhoel
@TheDzhoel 3 жыл бұрын
yo 8bit bro, If you stick a paperclip in the tape mechanism you can improve the quality and fix any faults that they have
@Milnoc
@Milnoc 7 жыл бұрын
It's as if they tried to reproduce a hard drive, but with Hi-8 tape. I'm surprised it went beyond the R&D stage.
@nscantling
@nscantling 7 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure the grey and bleak video is the camera's fault. I thought that was just London? ;)
@patd4u2
@patd4u2 7 жыл бұрын
That is what I thought to. lol
@markpenrice6253
@markpenrice6253 7 жыл бұрын
I've got some early digital camera photos from a trip down there to go to the millennium dome (quite possibly what the Ruvi tape was meant for?) and, well, it looks very similar :D Though that IS down to the the CCDs of the time being uniformly hopeless. £700, that thing cost the school my mum taught at, all 1.3 megapixels of it, but you'd throw away a webcam or phone that produced images of that quality nowadays. Just, like, straight in the bin. It was a poor contender even against my 110-format film camera, the only benefit really being the ability to delete and re-shoot, as well as to insert pictures into Word documents without having to develop and scan them (which is what I borrowed it for, and what I bought my own first digital camera for about 3 years later ... £200, 2mpx, and general image quality that stomped all over the earlier model... probably saved me £300 in 35mm film and processing alone, plus the time that would have been spent waiting for the development and then putting them in a scanner) As in washed out but muddy at the same time, poorly focussed at the edges no matter what you did (because the electronics cost so much they ended up skimping on the optics... oh dear), and really, really, REALLY bad colour reproduction. All that and tiny memory cards plus deathly slow serial interfacing. No wonder we were skeptical of the idea at first...
@justinholmes5614
@justinholmes5614 7 жыл бұрын
True story I hate going to London
@SketchTurnerZero
@SketchTurnerZero 7 жыл бұрын
Everything Log2 in London :D
@filminginportland1654
@filminginportland1654 7 жыл бұрын
He said *in the video* that it's not just the "October weather". Pay attention!
@James2t3
@James2t3 7 жыл бұрын
Sony has always loved their proprietary storage solutions.
@whitestriderable
@whitestriderable 7 жыл бұрын
James2t3 yes, and many people still hate Sony for this reason!
@claudiobizama5603
@claudiobizama5603 7 жыл бұрын
I'm looking at you PSvita
@Clay3613
@Clay3613 7 жыл бұрын
I think you mean PSP, which was very easy to get around the piracy protection.
@claudiobizama5603
@claudiobizama5603 7 жыл бұрын
At least you can buy adaptors for the Memory Stick, like one that gives you 2 microSD slots. But the Vita is a bigger offender because is expensive and smaller than a microSD
@RevRaptor898
@RevRaptor898 7 жыл бұрын
Damn straight bloody stupid vita. I have one, still haven't gotten around to buying a memory card for it. I'm gona end up spending more on the card than I did buying the vita :(
@justletmelistthese
@justletmelistthese 7 жыл бұрын
"washed out colours in London, in October" No way!
@RajithaSeneviratne
@RajithaSeneviratne 7 жыл бұрын
that cartridge is so awesome. they've somehow built an entire video head mechanism into such a small area. what a brilliant piece of engineering
@mikekz4489
@mikekz4489 7 жыл бұрын
That is some bullshit there with that cartridge. I was expecting some oddball early digital memory storage.
@MetalheadAndNerd
@MetalheadAndNerd 3 жыл бұрын
I expected a small hard disk.
@Nostalgianerd
@Nostalgianerd 7 жыл бұрын
I did not expect tape to be in the cartridge! Fascinating stuff.
@Bug110
@Bug110 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I am the first one to like and comment.This comment was made 3 years ago!
@coolguy-xd1bg
@coolguy-xd1bg 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bug110 You're a real archeologist ^_^
@johannesschneider8928
@johannesschneider8928 2 жыл бұрын
They basically put a whole VCR in the cartridge. Yeah, have to agree with the others: That's probably the most Sony piece of engineering ever.
@Damien.D
@Damien.D 7 жыл бұрын
The one and only "awkward audio and video formats channel" now presents : the tape cartridge with a head inside. Brilliant.
@georgeplagianos6487
@georgeplagianos6487 Жыл бұрын
@@electrictroy2010 yes I bought my first mini camcorder back in 1988 it was a Magnavox VHS -c model. Back then it was $400 at "nobody beats the The wiz"electronic store in New York City. BTW: brought one of these RUVIs for $135 around 2000 at PC Richards store. Cuz all those other small camcorders were like he said hundreds of dollars more. I got it right before 911 and recorded all these ash covered people walking looking pretty exhausted and stressed along the waterfront highway coming from from downtown where the disaster happened
@irfanchaudhri
@irfanchaudhri 7 жыл бұрын
You are like the Wikipedia of old items and videos. Its amazing to see old tech and how it compares with today. Keep it up - enjoying every single video you throw at us.
@westomopresto
@westomopresto 6 жыл бұрын
you with the hand up in the back, we dont want to hear your boring facts!
@Troublingarcher7
@Troublingarcher7 Жыл бұрын
I love when he does a video on something and then all of a sudden a Wikipedia page pops up for it
@MaxKoschuh
@MaxKoschuh 7 жыл бұрын
That cartridge is awesome and stupid at the same time.
@Spacekriek
@Spacekriek 7 жыл бұрын
I just watched the video (mostly scrubbing really) but it does strike me as about the best thing Sony could do in the pre-flash era.
@Radi0he4d1
@Radi0he4d1 7 жыл бұрын
A perfect example of overengineering.
@Oldbmwr100rs
@Oldbmwr100rs 7 жыл бұрын
The best part is, that if they had just made it all into the unit and used a new format of tape it could have been smaller. The extra case and parts to make the cartridge was a waste of space.
@danijel-ch2gk
@danijel-ch2gk 6 жыл бұрын
Agreee, just switching to miniDV tape would likely make the camera a bit smaller. Also, that amount of tape would likely last at least 45, if not 60 minutes.
@BillAnt
@BillAnt 6 жыл бұрын
Well yes, but without experimentation there's no future progress... and we can see the current solid state flash drives packaged in a similar cartridge like form factor (sans the crazy tape system ; )
@ahelpinghand8340
@ahelpinghand8340 7 жыл бұрын
I've still got my sony ruvi ,when I purchased it back in the 90's ,I thought it was amazing and much more pocket friendly than all other camcorders, never went out of focus unlike all the other cameras I had, picture quality was very good on my unit in good light , the Sony cartridges cost £75 each and yes I did buy one , I never thought I would see another one let alone a review. thanks tech moan.
@JimFortune
@JimFortune 7 жыл бұрын
If you'd stuck with the earlier camera you wouldn't have to worry about wrinkled shirts!
@Techmoan
@Techmoan 7 жыл бұрын
I don't worry about them...that's the job of the internet.
@Techmoan
@Techmoan 7 жыл бұрын
I try to prevent unnecessarily repeated comments...it doesn't work...like the time I got hundreds of comments about soldering techniques on the SX-64 video..after I said I didn't want any tips.
@JimFortune
@JimFortune 7 жыл бұрын
Techmoan I wasn't complaining about your wrinkled shirt. God knows I'm the last man to harp on that! Just trying to point out that even when it seems to be progress it ain't necessarily so. ;->
@Techmoan
@Techmoan 7 жыл бұрын
No i understand, it's like the problemsTV presenters had with the introduction of HD where their old caked on orange makeup was no longer suitable and then again more recently with 4K where set designers have to make a bit more effort, as every scene can be paused and examined in detail - an old Gillette razor will no longer cut it as a communicator vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/f9/QuiGon_hush98.jpg
@JimFortune
@JimFortune 7 жыл бұрын
Techmoan Witness the movie stars whose careers ended with the talkies, due to their horrible speaking voices. ;->
@TuneStunnaMusic
@TuneStunnaMusic 7 жыл бұрын
That was awesome! Tiny little play head and reels inside a lil case. I love these obscure technologies
@wtfindestries09
@wtfindestries09 7 жыл бұрын
Hey, during the footage it shows Gloucester quays before the gentrification. The red brick warehouses in the background and the boats are all familiar, and all the stills are around Gloucester and Cheltenham too.
@stevebrown1974
@stevebrown1974 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I recognised the Docks too!
@skakdosmer
@skakdosmer 7 жыл бұрын
Nice to see all about the equipment I couldn't afford, and learn that I hardly missed anything.
@btracing
@btracing 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, always getting the odd ones! Don't stop doing that, it's fantastic.
@bobfl42
@bobfl42 7 жыл бұрын
Wheres the Muppets? I wanted to know what they have to say about it.
@theoldaccidontuseanymore696
@theoldaccidontuseanymore696 7 жыл бұрын
RTFD
@randomsanwhich2
@randomsanwhich2 7 жыл бұрын
Robert Fletcher the muppets were on 8 bit guy channel !!
@power-max
@power-max 7 жыл бұрын
Q) Why are there no muppets in this video? A) They don't appear in every video - they just come out when something 'amusing' comes to mind for them to express. Today - I have nothing. Writer's block. --techmoan description
@Kalidor99
@Kalidor99 7 жыл бұрын
+Power Max, That's a lie, they are on vacation in the US, hanging around with the 8-bit guy.
@power-max
@power-max 7 жыл бұрын
It was in the description.
@Chuywaka
@Chuywaka 7 жыл бұрын
Oh Sony. How many b̶e̶e̶r̶s̶ sake bottles your engineers have made each other hold.
@MultiCheeseLouise
@MultiCheeseLouise 4 жыл бұрын
the japanese make and drink quite a lot of different beers... sake is not the japanese equivalent of beer....
@lunarmodule6419
@lunarmodule6419 3 жыл бұрын
For Pete's SAKÉ!
@lunarmodule6419
@lunarmodule6419 3 жыл бұрын
@@MultiCheeseLouise Biru!
@DanScram946
@DanScram946 7 жыл бұрын
I really admire the level of research in your videos, nice to see the history as well as the tech!
@pspr33
@pspr33 7 жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved reading the description with the Q&A 👍 Big fan of your stuff, keep it up!
@yusdiy
@yusdiy 7 жыл бұрын
there's a VCR in the cartridge. :)
@dogsbody49
@dogsbody49 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting footage at 6:10. it is of the Music Museum at Brentford. Before they moved into the purpose built museum it was situated in the old St Andrew's church in Brentford High Street.
@DJChalky85
@DJChalky85 7 жыл бұрын
Ah you beat me to it!
@dogsbody49
@dogsbody49 7 жыл бұрын
A fascinating museum. Not the same atmosphere since they moved it to the new building. I see that they are converting the church into apartments.
@Graham_Langley
@Graham_Langley 7 жыл бұрын
Spotted it immediately even though I've only been there once, back in the mid-70s.
@Pianomagicdude
@Pianomagicdude 4 жыл бұрын
Sannesthesia Poor Wandering One from Pirates of Penzance!
@Musical_Museum
@Musical_Museum 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, you are correct. If anyone would like to see what we look like now, we're publishing a series of concerts and other videos on our KZfaq channel, MusicalMuseumLive - hope to see you all there! Many thanks to Mat, who kindly provided us with a digital copy of the footage for our archives.
@TRYtoHELPyou
@TRYtoHELPyou 7 жыл бұрын
your videos are simply awesome and inspiring. I feel like I should get some of my old equipment out and get to making some retro reviews.. thanks for sharing
@rennaaa6667
@rennaaa6667 7 жыл бұрын
I actually wanted to see the '93 HD NY video and lo behold it's in your FAQ. Nice :D
@dasdasdus
@dasdasdus 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing aren't they.
@ChoobChoob
@ChoobChoob 7 жыл бұрын
Can you do a review of that Sony digital camera that used Floppy Disks?
@rzeka
@rzeka 7 жыл бұрын
Oh shit, I have that. It records video at like 10 fps with no sound.
@LGR
@LGR 7 жыл бұрын
The Sony Mavica! I have one I plan to review myself :)
@shoraz
@shoraz 7 жыл бұрын
Lazy Game Reviews did you find it from one of your thrifting adventures?
@cebruthius
@cebruthius 7 жыл бұрын
I still have mine. 640x480 jpegs yay. I still remember the beeper going tee-dee ... breeep with every shot.
@daliberal
@daliberal 7 жыл бұрын
small KZfaq world, watch your videos too.
@tdcattech
@tdcattech 7 жыл бұрын
This idea is a fine example of where innovation crosses into blind stupidity.
@_JoeMomma
@_JoeMomma 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta make sure the consumer cant use aftermarket storage so sony can make more money!
@onthemoverealestatephotogr9655
@onthemoverealestatephotogr9655 4 жыл бұрын
Classic Sony...
@Immashift
@Immashift 5 жыл бұрын
I remember my dad and my uncle back in the day both warred over camera gear, and both ended up getting this $1200 Sony Hi-8 model. The most interesting thing about those cameras was they had infrared video transmission via a receiver connected to the TV. I remember my dad building a special little shelf for the camcorder to sit on above the couch so he didn't have to have it on his lap while playing home videos. Then I bought a Mini DV model from Panasonic off eBay a few years later which blew those two cameras out of the water, and both my uncle and my dad weren't very happy with their cameras any more. Shortly thereafter though solid state cameras became a thing and we all got 3 megapixel point and shoots that also did VGA video and we thought that was awesome.
@suppengroove
@suppengroove 7 жыл бұрын
reasons why i like this channel: videos like this video and audio formats/recording devices that i never heard before. i feel so enlightened every time :D
@mrpositronia
@mrpositronia 7 жыл бұрын
Does Ruvi stand for Really useless video idea? Thank you! I'll get my coat.
@jennoscura2381
@jennoscura2381 7 жыл бұрын
It was going to be Ruby because they thought they had a real gem on their hands. But then they realized it sucked and had to rebrand it. LOL.
@mrpositronia
@mrpositronia 7 жыл бұрын
^ nice with gravy, peas and mashed potatoes! ;^P
@rexsexson5349
@rexsexson5349 5 жыл бұрын
Blackout! (See: King of the Hill)
@tonivoul1971
@tonivoul1971 3 жыл бұрын
One day a guy who worked for garmin found out about that camera and when he heard her name ruvi he had the idea to make gps nuvi machines
@mrpositronia
@mrpositronia 3 жыл бұрын
@John Huffington good to film on? 😏
@leisergeist
@leisergeist 7 жыл бұрын
hah, I thought that JVC one looked familiar fuck I miss Stargate
@Techmoan
@Techmoan 7 жыл бұрын
I had to buy & download episode 1 from Amazon in HD to grab that pic. It holds up well (from what I watched)
@avamander.
@avamander. 7 жыл бұрын
I miss it too.
@davepusey
@davepusey 7 жыл бұрын
It was shot on film, so in theory they could rescan it to HD one day.
@Techmoan
@Techmoan 7 жыл бұрын
They already did.
@avamander.
@avamander. 7 жыл бұрын
Dave Pusey Assuming they haven't auctioned the films off like they did with everything else. A lot has been lost to god knows where unfortunately.
@curiousottman
@curiousottman 7 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating. I was shouting "what's in the video cartridge?!!" out loud until you opened it! Great review.
@Noone-of-your-Business
@Noone-of-your-Business 7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your vids. There is so much bizarre tech stuff that most people never come across. Thanks for sharing!
@jimbo1531
@jimbo1531 7 жыл бұрын
I do hope no one paid $22,990 for that sony in the advert!
@jimbo1531
@jimbo1531 7 жыл бұрын
Daniel of course, it was just so glaringly obvious it made me laugh to myself.
@BgT1990
@BgT1990 6 жыл бұрын
That leapt out at me too lol @7:20 how on earth could a consumer camera cost so much?!
@Tom-Lahaye
@Tom-Lahaye 6 жыл бұрын
It's a mini DV camera, and Googled it, turns out the MSRP was $2699.- for this camera, so the price in the advert must be most likely $2299.- and the shown price is a typo (noticed the single small digit 9 where other prices all end at 99 cents) I was wondering initially about this price as well, camcorders weren't cheap back then and would you set back a fair part of a months income or more, but for $22,000.- you would get professional kit.
@Nolroa
@Nolroa 5 жыл бұрын
@@BgT1990 It cost a lot because not only were they buying the camcorder, it was a complete package with a professional tripod, filters, a video tape box, a carrying case, a cleaning kit and five years warranty that included repairs and maintenance. And of course the price of $ 22,990 is a typo ... The only video cameras that had that price range at that time were the professional Betacam broadcasting camcorders.
@kevinr.3542
@kevinr.3542 3 жыл бұрын
It's not a typo, in the small print it says "includes one-on-one filmmaking class with Steven Spielberg, and a free pre-screening of AI:Artificial Intelligence
@Mickice
@Mickice 7 жыл бұрын
SONY is probably king for one off unique designs.
@CommodoreFan64
@CommodoreFan64 7 жыл бұрын
Got that right, and for use of expensive propriety formats that rarely catch on(Blu-ray, and CD being exceptions).
@Clay3613
@Clay3613 7 жыл бұрын
They made the U-matic which was used by nearly every news station in the world till the late 90s.
@CommodoreFan64
@CommodoreFan64 7 жыл бұрын
Clay3613 Well we are talking consumer market not professional market, but yes beta, and BetaMax was very popular in the pro market for it's better broadcast resolution when compared to something like VHS.
@NotATube
@NotATube 7 жыл бұрын
+Commodorefan64 ; Pedantry time, but that's a common misconception. Betamax might have been slightly better than VHS, but it wasn't popular in (or good enough for) the pro market. The pros used Betacam, the first versions of which *did* use the same physical tape as Betamax, but with a completely incompatible recording format and much faster tape speed. I'm betting that the recorders were also far more expensive. I'm a green muppet and I don't care :-P
@Rj-tz5kb
@Rj-tz5kb 7 жыл бұрын
Keep the retro stuff coming! love it!
@AtheistOrphan
@AtheistOrphan 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I've been badgering you to do a review of this for ages! Great stuff!
@ddanny3108
@ddanny3108 7 жыл бұрын
My hi8 Sony camcorder of 1993 was able to fit in a bum bag, was hifi stereo and would record 180 minutes on lp. The quality was excellent. Lovely machine. I don't think full size VHS was still rented out in the late nineties. We recoded my degree ceremony on one in 1986.
@Techmoan
@Techmoan 7 жыл бұрын
Those people who had rented VHS camcorders on their shoulders in Disney in Florida in 1996 must have just been in my imagination. I suppose this was when the hallucinations started.
@ddanny3108
@ddanny3108 7 жыл бұрын
Techmoan lol. I love the tone... just my pedantic nature.
@ddanny3108
@ddanny3108 7 жыл бұрын
Techmoan BTW the vhs c camcorder was shown in Back to the Future in 1985. I suspect the Americans you remember were using very old tech... I visited Florida in 1993 and 1994 and never saw an old school full size vhs camcorder... I hope you take this with a smile as I love your videos and suspect you may be sensitive rather than humorously sarcastic.
@Techmoan
@Techmoan 7 жыл бұрын
Honestly the idea was that people who did not own a camcorder who made a trip to Disney and wanted to video it could rent a camcorder for the day - they recorded on full size VHS tapes - at the end of the day the tape went in a nice "My day at Disney" type VHS box, they took it home and played it on their VHS machines. If the rental places had given them a VHS-C camera or a Video 8 or a Hi-8 or a SVHS-C they couldn't have played it at home. They could of course have used a VHS-C adaptor, but then they'd have to buy that as well. This is why they used full size VHS machines as rentals. I remember it vividly as I hadn't seen these full size VHS camcorders since the early 1980s so I had to ask one of these people about their camera and they explained the whole rental process to me. I then later saw the rental shop near the exit.
@ddanny3108
@ddanny3108 7 жыл бұрын
Techmoan I see. And again, sorry if you think I'm being awkward. I'm a huge fan. Thanks for bothering to reply. :-)
@izzieb
@izzieb 7 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad we no longer use MiniDV. No need to capture the footage over FireWire and less chance of losing sound/video due to bad heads or tape.
@Milnoc
@Milnoc 7 жыл бұрын
I've had that happen to me. Very annoying It's too bad though. Even at 1440x1080 MPEG2, my old Canon camcorder produced excellent video.
@izzieb
@izzieb 7 жыл бұрын
François Caron A few friends and i used to use a Canon XL2. it was a LOVELY camera to work with, but the MiniDV ruined it. We had so many issues with audio it's unbelievable.
@chartle1
@chartle1 7 жыл бұрын
oh yes FireWire. I used that for my panasonic mini DV camcorder. Last tape based unit. I then used a panasonic (i think) sd card camcorder that is what I would use unless I use my phone.
@genericgreensquid6669
@genericgreensquid6669 7 жыл бұрын
I disagree. I love magnetic tape formats.
@prfo5554
@prfo5554 7 жыл бұрын
Is it true that if you play a video on a Mini-Dv Camcorder, that the heads need cleaned on, that the video will for ever after have green bars on them forever afterwards even while using them on other Mini-DV Players/ Camcorders? P.S. I'm just asking this because I have a mini-DV camcorder manufactured from the mid to late 2000's that one day randomly started to flash clean heads and all the videos on that I played through it had green streaks while using the camcorder. Also, it still does it after using a "new" old stock Panasonic Cleaning tape on the camcorder.
@moneyprofessional
@moneyprofessional 3 жыл бұрын
Just have to say I'm loving watching your videos. This one was particularly funny, loved the rant at the end. You are so entertaining and witty especially when reviewing some "bad" tech. What on earth do you do with all the stuff you get on ebay and the new equipment that isnt even very good? Surely you dont keep it all, do you just sell it again or give it/throw some of it away eventually?
@SproutyPottedPlant
@SproutyPottedPlant 7 жыл бұрын
I love watching your videos!!! Always a treat when one appears.
@kirankankipati-thelinuxcha689
@kirankankipati-thelinuxcha689 7 жыл бұрын
wow. Amazing. Initially I thought it got some kind of HDD in it and platters. It looked like a miniature harddisk :) Enjoyed watching this video LOL !
@veggiet2009
@veggiet2009 7 жыл бұрын
I was hoping you'd show footage from your camera from two years prior... I agree this is bizarre... it possibly was stuck in development for years. being development concurrently with formats like MiniDV and then when MiniDV came out it got stuck in development, and then eventually rather than shelving the work they had done someone said "oh well, let's just release it"
@Techmoan
@Techmoan 7 жыл бұрын
Video Description Text Box
@Trev-bq6hd
@Trev-bq6hd 7 жыл бұрын
Happy I found your channel - keep up the fantastic work!
@ShapeyFiend
@ShapeyFiend 7 жыл бұрын
I think my favourite part of these Techmoan videos is fast becoming the part where he tries to preempt the complaints in the KZfaq comments.
@helmet098
@helmet098 7 жыл бұрын
That cartridge is the memory stick of the 90s
@iamdarkyoshi
@iamdarkyoshi 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah I can see why this idea never caught on... it is stupid. *ahem* torx
@the-bizzy-bee
@the-bizzy-bee 7 жыл бұрын
'dems fightin words here on the yourtubes
@MattGamesYT
@MattGamesYT 3 жыл бұрын
Just been reminded of an early digital camera I had that recorded directly to floppy disk. What an absolute beast that was.
@MegaFPVFlyer
@MegaFPVFlyer 6 жыл бұрын
At 6:17 you can see a rather peculiar looking wooden cabinet with some upside down violins inside it. For anyone wondering, that is actually an extremely old self playing violin (one instrument for each string, thus why it contains 4). You can find an in depth video on the "Wintergatan" KZfaq channel - interesting stuff. I like to think that the machine in the home video is the one in Wintergatan's video before it was restored.
@amcluesent
@amcluesent 7 жыл бұрын
No wonder Sony never saw the iPod coming
@Clay3613
@Clay3613 7 жыл бұрын
iPod did nothing new.
@mipmipmipmipmip
@mipmipmipmipmip 7 жыл бұрын
Clay3613 less space than a nomad, lame
@MixelsLab
@MixelsLab 7 жыл бұрын
Clay3613 It's main selling points were the UI and pocketability.(good for a 5GB device at the time)
@biolinkstudios
@biolinkstudios 7 жыл бұрын
My phone was better, Sony Ericsson W580i then the ipod by miles
@MixelsLab
@MixelsLab 7 жыл бұрын
G-Metric the w580i came out 5 years after the original iPod so that's hardly surprising?
@martyslackjaw
@martyslackjaw 7 жыл бұрын
Woah, that footage of London was from 16 years ago today, the day i'm watching the video.
@markpenrice6253
@markpenrice6253 7 жыл бұрын
Ditto, I guess?
@TheKingOfFunk1
@TheKingOfFunk1 7 жыл бұрын
Ditto, I guess?
@MustangsbyMatt
@MustangsbyMatt 7 жыл бұрын
I've just discovered your videos and I have to say I'm impressed. New subscriber.
@andrewdavidh
@andrewdavidh 7 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why these videos are so interesting to me, yet somehow I end up spending hours watching through all of your stuff. Keep up the good work, great entertainment and it's good to learn stuff even if I don't know know a lot about some of the technology. :)
@mclaine33
@mclaine33 7 жыл бұрын
Sony using stupid proprietary storage options once again... it never fails. People complained about the Vita and PSP using odd Memory card formats... this just serves as proof that Sony has been doing this for ages now!
@mclaine33
@mclaine33 7 жыл бұрын
haha very funny... so what I put a cap M instead of a lowercase by accident. Don't make it a big deal bro.
@mclaine33
@mclaine33 7 жыл бұрын
Maxx Fordham It was a typo. My phone auto capitalized it for some reason.
@SketchTurnerZero
@SketchTurnerZero 7 жыл бұрын
Maxx Fordham so you are one of this annoying muppets character at the end of the video))
@Elifesound
@Elifesound 7 жыл бұрын
Hey! That's my old camera! I put it on ebay and forgot to delete the footage of my trip to London!! I want it back!! LOL 😂 😂 😂 Love your videos man!
@muh1h1
@muh1h1 7 жыл бұрын
Are you serious? :D
@Elifesound
@Elifesound 7 жыл бұрын
LOL No...just playin.
@muh1h1
@muh1h1 7 жыл бұрын
***** Haha, OK, you never know :D
@Elifesound
@Elifesound 7 жыл бұрын
LOL That's true...
@1blisslife
@1blisslife 7 жыл бұрын
+Rex amillion I was about to say.... "You know where he lives then". lol
@j0emang0
@j0emang0 7 жыл бұрын
Love the channel! Your expositions on old odd Consumer Electronics raise nostalgic memories of my grandfather, who loved to tinker with video and audio stuff all through my childhood. We grabbed a Philco v1100 VHS VCR/Tank the week they came out which I think still works, and I am sitting here in front of a sony MDP 700 Laserdisc multi format player which he owned. I've got an older Sansui Receiver in the bedroom and a closet full of live Minidisc recordings. I feel ya. This Ruvi thing is just the kind of Sony headscratcher that made me fall in love with them so early on. Every once in a while they hit a home run and sometimes they release a still-born product like this. Anyway, kudos from across the pond.
@MarcWeertsMusic
@MarcWeertsMusic 7 жыл бұрын
Great video! Such products always create the impression with me that the team that had to develop the recording medium didn't deliver the next gen in time and they had to improvise something that would still fit into the small camera that another team was developing.
@ASilentS
@ASilentS 7 жыл бұрын
Hupfeld Phonoliszt-Violina cameo @6:10. Maybe something for a future review..........
@LukeInnes
@LukeInnes 7 жыл бұрын
"Threw out the baby with the bath water" Now there's a phrase people should use more often
@Xanthopteryx
@Xanthopteryx 4 жыл бұрын
Just use a Babycutor (BigClive)
@Yapostadodat
@Yapostadodat 6 жыл бұрын
Love vintage electronics and these videos are a dream. Thanks for posting these, I'm haven't donated to patreon yet but I am watching the adds the whole way through and clicking on them. Thanks for your work. Love the framed, obscure non English laser discs in the background of Westworld, Back to The Future and TRON.
@itbestuk
@itbestuk 7 жыл бұрын
Love seeing old footage, especially when just uncovered from an old camera. 2000 seems like a lifetime ago, when I was 21 😢
@sprklfaz
@sprklfaz 7 жыл бұрын
was that footage of gloucester docks?! haha
@ens0246
@ens0246 7 жыл бұрын
Where do you get your old magazine sources?
@Techmoan
@Techmoan 7 жыл бұрын
Books.google.com
@ens0246
@ens0246 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I had no idea they had archived magazines.
@paul_grimsley
@paul_grimsley 7 жыл бұрын
Love these lost format videos Matt. I was of course expecting it to be a hard drive! Amazing, never knew this existed.
@paul_grimsley
@paul_grimsley 7 жыл бұрын
Yeh, like a smaller version of a hard drive from an old IBM PS/2, they were a similar shape, taller than modern HD's. I'm not the only one then Maxx, thank you.
@antiqueperfection
@antiqueperfection 4 жыл бұрын
6:13 A 1947 Seeburg trashcan Jukebox! I used to have one of those, wish I never would have sold it. Loved the thing, super cool and unique. Nice little find on that 20 year old home video :-)
@Crlarl
@Crlarl 7 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the PXL-2000? It's a toy camera that recorded monochrome video to audio cassettes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PXL-2000
@coolbeans2045
@coolbeans2045 7 жыл бұрын
doh! you just reminded me I have a Ruvi stashed away in a drawer. I'm going to dig it out right now and try and see what's on it.
@andrewpowney6405
@andrewpowney6405 6 ай бұрын
I bought one from Heathrow on the way to Cape Town for a 3 year work placement. Loved it. Sent VHS tapes home to my parents. In one I was hanging off a ledge half way up table mountain on the Camps Bay side. It was great to be able to stick the camera in your jeans pocket. Clearing out the attic... have just found it & it still works. I'm keeping it along with my 1980 Minolta XGM film canera that I used last Summer. Aperture priority & manual focus. Happy days.
@petersmyczek2297
@petersmyczek2297 5 жыл бұрын
haha, that is amazing! I watched quite a good deal of your videos already, plenty of them showing noticeably bizarre concepts from the customer electronics industry across the past decades. This one here is really amongst the top5 I'd say. Anyways, thank you so much for your channel, the effort you are putting into your videos, and your particularly well made balance of professional historic investigation part with that great sense of sarcasm/humour you are putting into your videos. Really thank you! PS: I never thought watching someone talking about old electronics from the past could be so entertaining and worthwhile watching!
@thewanderingalbatross1061
@thewanderingalbatross1061 7 жыл бұрын
Talking about tech that never made it: did you ever do a minidisk video? Man I thought that was going to be hot. Paid $430 for something my phone now does. They even had new music coming out on them for a short time.
@M6GOF
@M6GOF 7 жыл бұрын
Minidisc was a good format but there was two problems: (1) Thick morons/bad marketing where for some stupid reason people thought it was going to replace CD. I was talking about Minidisc earlier to my missus and she didn't know it recorded. Point proven. (2) Steve Jobs and the evil iPod. It was gaining reasonable traction in the late 1990s, cost of recorders fell (my MDS JE-510 was only £200) and the cost of blanks became quite reasonable. But, then CD recorders came out and the blanks were even cheaper again. Then, there was DCC. I could mention DAT, but that was out of reach for most people and more for professional recording purposes. I nearly bought a DAT, but decided that saving up forever wasn't worth it so got a Minidisc. Most people paid no attention to CD recorders, DCC or Minidisc and continued using tape until mp3 took over.
@wisteela
@wisteela 7 жыл бұрын
Sounds a cool odd item
@38911bytefree
@38911bytefree 7 жыл бұрын
I thought the same too. I bought my MZ37R and I was telling me, hey, my FIRST DIGITAL audio recorder. Two week after I was using my old trusty Toshiba Walkman and tape. Minidisc (in my case) was insane battery hungry. Only 3hr or palyback and 40min recording. It was useless. After comparing it against tape, good recorded ones sounded a bit better in highs, so I gave up. What killed Minidisk was MP3, Internet just took off and very little material were released on Minidisk. It look like a CD, it was digital, .... but it was compressed. Portable MP3 players just were far superior in every posible aspect. By the end Sony allowed MP3 and up to 1GB x disc .... but .... too late.
@38911bytefree
@38911bytefree 7 жыл бұрын
They had the MAVICA CD. It was a camera that stored photos on little CDR. It was slow as h3ll and once you pressed the shotter, a message appeared on the viewfinder, instructing you about NOT MOVING the camera too much since it was recording to the CD. Earlier MAvica used 3 1/2 FLOPPY disks .... Its a Sony.
@RobertSzasz
@RobertSzasz 7 жыл бұрын
The minidisc was a great format once the USB enabled ones came out. And the magnetic/optic discs could survive just about anything. Certainly more trouncing than the compact flash microdrive could which I think was the only competition in the size/storage class for removable media.
@Bleats_Sinodai
@Bleats_Sinodai 6 жыл бұрын
Sony's Bizarre Adventure into the world of camcorders
@cerealata9035
@cerealata9035 4 жыл бұрын
Do we have to *POSE* while using the Ruvi?
@jeffcook3747
@jeffcook3747 7 жыл бұрын
Hi there James! (Sorry if that's not your name. I thought I heard you mention it in an earlier video.) Just wanted to say that I really enjoy all your videos. I really like to see all the older tech equipment. You do a great job of narrating and wouldn't be surprised if you were ever offered a job doing a retro tech segment on a consumer affairs TV show. Thanks for making all these cool shows!
@mhausb6436
@mhausb6436 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. I haven't seen anything that surprising in quite some time on KZfaq :).
@youpie
@youpie 7 жыл бұрын
it would be cooler if you posted this vid 3 days later! (4:47) XD
@IAmNotAFunguy
@IAmNotAFunguy 7 жыл бұрын
Do a video about the Sony MicroMV.
@HobertMcFarlandtechandcargeek
@HobertMcFarlandtechandcargeek 7 жыл бұрын
IAmNotAFunguy If you would read the description, you would know the answer to your question. cheers!
@cpnnpr
@cpnnpr 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing how far we've come. Appreciate you looking into this for us.
@tcr4x4
@tcr4x4 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, Gloucester docks at 6.00. Wasn't expecting to see that!
@ChrisD4335
@ChrisD4335 7 жыл бұрын
why cant u replace the cartridge yourself? it pops right out
@AlRoderick
@AlRoderick 7 жыл бұрын
I think the idea was that the authorized dealer would send the old cartridge back to Sony, it'd replace the five cents worth of tape in the unit and sell it back to you as a reconditioned replacement part.
@-DeScruff
@-DeScruff 7 жыл бұрын
I imagined the price of those carts was a lot because the whole mechanism is inside it. At $80 no wonder they didn't advertise it as user replaceable (despite looking very user accessible), any potential buyer would have saw how much you would have to pay per 30 min, and start looking at the other brand's camcorders. Too bad Sony didn't remember that expensive storage never looks good, when it came to the Vita...
@MrXavierRose
@MrXavierRose 7 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Sony to me...
@Spritetm
@Spritetm 7 жыл бұрын
Just looked it up, you can still get the cartridges at about E5/pop... now I'm tempted to experiment with them, see if I can get any storage onto them...
@kbbbb7
@kbbbb7 7 жыл бұрын
You should, do a hack of it and then post back here :)
@narutohokage20
@narutohokage20 7 жыл бұрын
that little stargate fact made me happier than it should have
@bugalaman
@bugalaman 7 жыл бұрын
Another fascinating video. Keep up the great work sir.
@andregross7420
@andregross7420 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing video from the previous owner, interesting to see things from 15 years ago. I was alive then but was too young to remember anything from that time.
@solidamber
@solidamber 7 жыл бұрын
sony knew what they where doing, their aim was to make the most miniature camcorder possible, which they achieved, they realised they recording format was a dead duck but just wantead the kudos of being the smallest on the market.
@markpenrice6253
@markpenrice6253 7 жыл бұрын
It is kinda their thing. Or at least it was until Motorola and then Apple started pulling the rug out from them here and there. I think they still have the record for the smallest usable cassette, CD, and vinyl players, for example. Back from when they actually made desirable, high quality gear, rather than relying on the badge alone to make sales :/ (to be fair, though, the Xperia Z phones are pretty slick too... however there's not much else the company makes that causes me to sit up and pay attention, and I've either had or seen enough issues with CD and Minidisc players/recorders of theirs, as well as boomboxes, portable radios, and TVs for the spell to have been broken)
@ssss-df5qz
@ssss-df5qz 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah but whether the recording drum is in the camera, or in a cartridge, it's still the same volume either way? There literally is no rational reason to have this how it was.
@solidamber
@solidamber 7 жыл бұрын
If you look inside a sony 8mm camcorder most of the space is taken up by the tape loading mechanism not the head
@ssss-df5qz
@ssss-df5qz 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah that makes sense.
@kakureru
@kakureru 7 жыл бұрын
The world was a scary place before cheap flash.
@checktheevidence
@checktheevidence 7 жыл бұрын
Great stuff - I'd never heard of this camera - but now I know why!
@CarlMahnke
@CarlMahnke 7 жыл бұрын
Great episode! Enjoyed it very much!
@PolesAreEverywhere
@PolesAreEverywhere 7 жыл бұрын
12:03 I didnt watch the whole wideo yet, let me guess, inside there is a tape
@PolesAreEverywhere
@PolesAreEverywhere 7 жыл бұрын
Fucking knew it right from the start
@rochr4
@rochr4 7 жыл бұрын
Dzien Dybry
@PolesAreEverywhere
@PolesAreEverywhere 7 жыл бұрын
rochr4 Posdrawiam wszystkich Polakuff!
@my3dviews
@my3dviews 7 жыл бұрын
No. Inside there is a full size LaserDisc. :-)
@PolesAreEverywhere
@PolesAreEverywhere 7 жыл бұрын
My3dviews either this or 8track tape :D
@maxwillson
@maxwillson 7 жыл бұрын
Ahahaha! That's stupid! Might as well buy a camera with a super 8 tape and re-use the 2 hour tape over and over again! No wonder Sony didn't want you to take it apart, they were ripping you off ahahaha!
@dvogonen
@dvogonen 7 жыл бұрын
Your reviews of obsolete and obscure technology are simply brilliant. Here are a few photo-related not-so-well-thought-throug products that would make for good videos: Any of the ill fated APS system cameras (especially Minolta), The APS system as a whole, the first Pentax autofokus system camera(me-f), the Yashica Samurai, Olympus L-3, the Pentax auto 110 system.
@mookie714
@mookie714 7 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this quite a lot. I love learning about qwirky one offs that were intended to solve a problem but instead turned out to be bad ideas.
@Frisenette
@Frisenette 7 жыл бұрын
That wrinkled shirt spoiled the whole video for me. Next time do a test shot.
@TheNinToaster
@TheNinToaster 7 жыл бұрын
Helge Frisenette check the description box, he mentions this and why he did it
@Frisenette
@Frisenette 7 жыл бұрын
Nikki Babaii This is getting confusing. ;-)
@peterrafeiner9461
@peterrafeiner9461 7 жыл бұрын
You are kidding, aren't you? You MUST be kidding! I mean I had to go back to see if he was even wearing a shirt. Than again, I watch for the (excellent) info, not for the fashion show :-)
@Frisenette
@Frisenette 7 жыл бұрын
How he presents himself is an important part of the show. I enjoy his understated style. I can't be the only one who notices his dapper and smart attire.
@evilutionltd
@evilutionltd 7 жыл бұрын
Helge Frisenette no KZfaqr deserves a viewer like this.
@CaalamusTube
@CaalamusTube 7 жыл бұрын
Guh! No Puppets!? :[ ( ...cool old Tech though√ )
@CaalamusTube
@CaalamusTube 7 жыл бұрын
Maxx Fordham I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment.
@creamwarrior
@creamwarrior 7 жыл бұрын
love your videos as always!
@dailyraillive1492
@dailyraillive1492 3 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a Sony hifi minidisc video ins. Never knew about this! Great video again!
@bazahaza
@bazahaza 7 жыл бұрын
Please , lease , lease iron your shirt before making videos. It's vet disrespectful.
@Techmoan
@Techmoan 7 жыл бұрын
next you'll say I have to wear pants.
@bazahaza
@bazahaza 7 жыл бұрын
No, I'm ok with that. I'm not either !
@Estlib
@Estlib 7 жыл бұрын
i expect you to wear atleast underpants
@SergeantOvK
@SergeantOvK 7 жыл бұрын
Bazahaza Please, please, please read your comment BEFORE posting it.
@bazahaza
@bazahaza 7 жыл бұрын
hy? hat as rong ith t? LOL!
@202Electrics
@202Electrics 7 жыл бұрын
That cartridge is rather amazing. never seen that before! Awsome video.
@SacredSalad
@SacredSalad 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this video. I've used a lot of different video formats but never heard of this one. It's hard to believe that anyone at Sony thought this was a good idea.
@MrVolksbeetle
@MrVolksbeetle 7 жыл бұрын
That was genuinely cool. I love watching these.
Happy 4th of July 😂
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