Raising the Digital Dead Ep. 1 - The Sol Prototype

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Tech Time Traveller

Tech Time Traveller

Жыл бұрын

#tech #computer #retro The saga begins! Raising the Digital Dead is our new series, in which I will resurrect long forgotten digital projects and devices from yesteryear. In this first episode I embark on a project not for the faint if heart - replicating the Sol Intelligent Terminal by Processor Technology, an Intel 8080 based 'smart' terminal that was the prototype of the legendary Sol-20 Terminal Computer. Am I in over my head? This video gives a background to the project, with future installments to detail the build.

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@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller Жыл бұрын
This was originally one video but I split it because I wanted to launch the series on 🎃. So I split the video in two, and will finish the second part shortly. This is sort of a backgrounder. The second part, where I discuss the process, anticipated challenges and then build a model out of box, will be out very soon. Hope this sort of thing will be of interest!
@tezinho81
@tezinho81 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting indeed, you gain +1 subscriber!
@markmaker2488
@markmaker2488 Жыл бұрын
+ 2 subscribed
@mao2233
@mao2233 Жыл бұрын
@@markmaker2488 Previously subscribed, but I want to encourage you (TTT) to move forward with this series. It looks very interesting. I also very much like the way you limn out your projects. Your background videos are really interesting and set the table for the project. Impressive work, sir.
@tezinho81
@tezinho81 Жыл бұрын
@@CoruscationsOfIneptitude there is definitely method in his madness!!!
@Nightowl_IT
@Nightowl_IT Жыл бұрын
Just ask them to make HQ photos of the original board from both sides.
@ragrabau
@ragrabau Жыл бұрын
Awesome! I too started to built the TV Typewriter, but ran into issues back in 1973. I couldn't get the board as I did not have a way to make that big and complex of a board, and two layers - no way. The SOL terminal article was a bit thin on details, so I didn't even try. Several months later, with my scrimp and savings I was able to buy my brand new IMSAI 8080. Not the first one, but a low serial number. Fun kit to build. And all of this while I was still in the Navy. I look forward to more from your channel and can't wait for part 2.
@QuintusCunctator
@QuintusCunctator Жыл бұрын
"Lee Felsenstein told me it's probably not going to work". Wow, talk about a challenge! We're in for a treat! Congrats, I'll be waiting for the next video with glee
@guitardunce7571
@guitardunce7571 Жыл бұрын
Even if you weren't doing these videos, I'd say go for it. Your interest, passion and dedication to this is visible from space. I have too many other hobbies to jump in with a soldering iron and an old magazine, but your enthusiasm builds mine for my own, and preservation is a good thing in an industry that throws everything out once its not completely viable, and thats a shame.
@1944GPW
@1944GPW Жыл бұрын
The australian Applied Technology S-100 machine had a video card based on the PT VDM-1. I seem to remember some of the games I played on mine (like Target) had 'Copyright Processor Technology' on the splash screen. Anyway this machine had a very useful BIOS called DGOS that fitted into a single 2K 2716. This had examine, change, go, cassette load/save (Kansas City), realtime clock as well as keyboard read and 64x16 screen terminal hooks. The fully annotated assembler source for this is on the net and I reckon it could be a good fit for the SIT. The AT S-100 system was later redesigned as an all-in-one machine known as the Microbee.
@AjinkyaMahajan
@AjinkyaMahajan Жыл бұрын
I will try to replicate it as a soft core on an FPGA. Thanks for another great episode Cheers !!
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller Жыл бұрын
Let me know how you make out with that! That sounds really interesting!
@OscarSommerbo
@OscarSommerbo Жыл бұрын
Good luck! Sounds super fun.
@OscarSommerbo
@OscarSommerbo Жыл бұрын
Lee sounds like a superinteresting guy, clearly into the counter culture at UC Berkley of the late 60s, early 70s, and with some strange and wonderful philosophical ideas about digital design.
@ASquishyBean0126
@ASquishyBean0126 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are so darn corny. I love it. It reminds me a lot of Technology Connections and the way you pull things out. its great and I love learning things that aren't covered so much and I feel like you do it awesomely!
@Just.A.T-Rex
@Just.A.T-Rex Жыл бұрын
Check out cathode Ray dude as well.
@50shadesofbeige88
@50shadesofbeige88 Жыл бұрын
Any day I learn about a new computer is a good day.
@natethefighter
@natethefighter Жыл бұрын
I've been working on doing some builds from David L Heiserman's book How to Design and Build Your Own TV Games from 1978. It's a real challenge - nearly every schematic has at least one mistake in it, and a lot of detective work is needed to chase down the solution. Good luck to you with this build, even with mistakes in the build guide, you can do it!
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller Жыл бұрын
Yeah schematic mistakes unfortunately are quite common. A few people fried their TV Typewriters back in the day because they followed the schematic instead of what was laid out on the PCB sometimes when there was doubt.
@hicknopunk
@hicknopunk Жыл бұрын
@@TechTimeTraveller oh man
@ryballs4569
@ryballs4569 Жыл бұрын
Cool concept! Looking forward to future videos in this series.
@williamharris8367
@williamharris8367 Жыл бұрын
I really like these long, deep-dive videos into the history of obscure and forgotten technology companies. I realize that they take a lot of effort to produce, but they are well worth it!
@CZPC
@CZPC Жыл бұрын
Very hyped for this one.
@wimwiddershins
@wimwiddershins Жыл бұрын
Like many of these types of fun projects, it's the journey not the destination.
@garywilkinson5887
@garywilkinson5887 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the in-depth documentary on this episode and I’m looking forward to watching the build progress over the remaining episodes.
@vonzigle
@vonzigle Жыл бұрын
I have a Sol Terminal Computer in my bedroom closet that was still working last time I tried it - runs with a North Star OS and has S-100 bus. Built it in 1977 from a kit.
@osgrov
@osgrov Жыл бұрын
This is completely awesome, mad props to you. I'll be watching this closely. :) I remember reading back issues of Popular Electronics as a kiddo in the early 80s, and actually do remember the SOL. Never seen one running though, much less built one. I'm useless with hardware, been a software guy all my life, hehe. The best of luck getting this off the ground, I'll eagerly await the next episode.
@thenewBH
@thenewBH Жыл бұрын
This is brilliant. I'm looking forward to seeing this come together!
@MichaelEhling
@MichaelEhling Жыл бұрын
This series is a fun, creative idea. Can't wait to see it unfold.
@bobweiram6321
@bobweiram6321 Жыл бұрын
I love how the word "star" appeared in so many brands during the 70s-80s.
@RudysRetroIntel
@RudysRetroIntel Жыл бұрын
Fanatic!! Looking forward towards your next video! Going back to these great magazines and rebuilding is awesome! Thanks for sharing!
@BigCar2
@BigCar2 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing it working (or not)!
@JohnKiniston
@JohnKiniston Жыл бұрын
This was such a great video, I really enjoy how you present and look forward to the next installment.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Arivia1
@Arivia1 Жыл бұрын
Always a pleasure!
@OscarSommerbo
@OscarSommerbo Жыл бұрын
Have you contacted the museum? They will never allow you to take the prototype apart, as you say, but they might be up for a curator/archivist to take it apart and carefully record the dimensions as it is a part of the history of the device. Further, they would probably while disassembling the prototype take lots of pictures, those would help with the jumper wire issue. I don't know what kind of museum it is, but if they are a serious museum, they would be thrilled with someone building a working replica, as the physical object is only half the story (or even less) and would therefore be interested in helping, as long as it doesn't endanger the real prototype. For example, they probably wouldn't pry out the ROMs to image them, but rather jury-rig something to image them in place. My main point is, ask them for physical dimensions of every part, at worse they turn you down. Edit: The Computer History Museum seems to be a "real" museum, with staff, and curators etc. I assume they could provide you with exact dimensions and photographs. The issue is probably cost and time. But again ask them.
@jeremiefaucher-goulet3365
@jeremiefaucher-goulet3365 Жыл бұрын
This should be a very interesting series. I look forward to it.
@chasonlapointe
@chasonlapointe Жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see part two, I love how knowledgeable and entertaining you are, I bet you'd be an amazing tour guide through a computer history museum!
@lanz1987
@lanz1987 Жыл бұрын
Love the premise of this series and really looking forward to it.
@jaut-76
@jaut-76 Жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see what the outcome becomes. I love the sol 20 and wish I could own one but saying my luck with the 70s microcomputers that won’t happen soon.
@rgmolpus
@rgmolpus Жыл бұрын
Fantastic! With modern Autorouters, it may be possible to make a 'REV 2' board, without the 100 jumpers - closer to a commercial product. If you can find a proper cassette deck, that would be even nicer.
@InfiniteLoop
@InfiniteLoop Жыл бұрын
Wow, this is awesome! I cannot wait to see more. I love this obsolete stuff because it like all the early computers, has charm something sorely lost when ibm took Over.
@Godzilla_Jesus
@Godzilla_Jesus Жыл бұрын
F'n subscribed, this is a great idea for a series.
@Oddzball3
@Oddzball3 Жыл бұрын
Seriously underrated channel, good stuff
@thebyteattic
@thebyteattic Жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic project, great initiative. And the alternate history bit is most delightful. I very much look forward to it! If there's any way I could help, let me know.
@GeeWillikersMan
@GeeWillikersMan Жыл бұрын
19:00 -ish Right on. It's not the destination, its the journey.
@tighematt
@tighematt Жыл бұрын
Great idea, looking forward to the rest of the series. Good luck!
@alk7934
@alk7934 Жыл бұрын
Good luck!
@tschak909
@tschak909 Жыл бұрын
This is a good direction. :)
@justinhelget853
@justinhelget853 Жыл бұрын
in my mid 40s and grew up with the apple 2 and dos machines, i love love love s100 machines. i have a soft spot for the cromemco machines especially the late 80s x68000 machines
@JohnyPaprikas
@JohnyPaprikas Жыл бұрын
Love the idea. Good luck!
@50shadesofbeige88
@50shadesofbeige88 Жыл бұрын
Nice 2 camera shoot. Your production quality has come a long way. Keep it up!
@tuppyglossop222
@tuppyglossop222 Жыл бұрын
Yes, but is somewhat disconcerting when you are talking to the side of the camera.
@laserhawk64
@laserhawk64 Жыл бұрын
Sounds exciting! I look forward to further episodes :)
@joshhiner729
@joshhiner729 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Love the idea and plan. Watching through them now.
@mountainkingelectronics
@mountainkingelectronics Жыл бұрын
This episode is a great example of what makes your channel and your content above the rest! Your genuine love and respect of the technology and it's history is unquestionable and refreshing. So many other similar channels seem to make fun of the technology that they are supposedly admiring. Building these early projects really does have a time travelling effect and I'm so excited that you are going to be making episodes that focus on that. If you need some technical advice please feel free to contact me, there's a lot that I don't know and but I have had a lot of experience building electronic devices so I may be able to help. Alan
@GeneralKenobiSIYE
@GeneralKenobiSIYE Жыл бұрын
If I had the money, I'd try to cram as much power into a late 70s computer as possible.
@TwoWholeWorms
@TwoWholeWorms Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to part 2! Will be really interesting to see if you _can_ get it going!
@chrismcovell
@chrismcovell Жыл бұрын
I love your videos, the level of information in each of them, and your choice of topics. Really looking forward to seeing this hardware project come together, whether working or not.
@Space_Reptile
@Space_Reptile Жыл бұрын
I love this project already, but I have a suggestion: try and put the s100 Port in the original Position so it wont need the jumpers, yes this might not be a perfekt replica, but in spirit it's the same mashine as it was ment to have the Port in the other Position if not for the last Minute change
@hicknopunk
@hicknopunk Жыл бұрын
I love how that keyboard looks. I'd love to MUD on that bad boy.
@jtveg
@jtveg Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏻
@bigstupidgrin
@bigstupidgrin Жыл бұрын
Too spooky for me ;)
@colonelbarker
@colonelbarker Жыл бұрын
I'm excited for this project. I may have to dig out the magazines and have a look over the schematics in detail, I guess. Are you posting about this on social media anywhere where we can get involved with following along in more detail?
@HeywoodJablomie
@HeywoodJablomie Жыл бұрын
The more of your videos I watch, the more i realize that when I next upgrade my machine, I'm gonna have to go Mini-ITX (or some similar SFF) and build a homebrew 8-bit wedge case to put it in.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller Жыл бұрын
There's something about wedge form factor cases, especially with wood components..
@TheGunnarRoxen
@TheGunnarRoxen Жыл бұрын
Madness! I love it. I totally get the appeal, but that sounds like a lot to bite off.
@laustinspeiss
@laustinspeiss Жыл бұрын
3:49 massively underselling AMPEX !
@ethanspaziani1070
@ethanspaziani1070 Жыл бұрын
You have the same imagination and adventurous Spirit as me I would love to see an alternate history version of this machine with a functioning tape deck and full-on computative power taking something in theory and making it into a full reality 100% unique don't let it bother you too much that it's not going to be exactly like the original because it's not meant to be it's going to be yours! 100% unique the only one like it in the world
@joshuamacdonald4913
@joshuamacdonald4913 Жыл бұрын
This is spooky. (Haha) I just had a similar conversation today when I was discussing the fact that I am building a cosmac elf with a classmate. (I'm not that young, I recently went back to school). Its not about the functionality of the machine as much as that it needs to function as the original did. Yes it's under powered and yes I could emulate it but thats not the point. Unfortunately tho there are some "modern equivalent " components that are "acceptable " but will be replaced as I find more suitable parts. I really like the idea of this series of videos and if I wasn't on the other side of the country I would be lending a hand a much as possible. Great video as always, keel em coming.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller Жыл бұрын
I was going to build an ELF but ended up aquiring a couple of originals, so that put paid to that. But I still might one day.. the build experience is just as valuable as the machine. Best of luck with yours!
@mckelepic
@mckelepic Жыл бұрын
amazing video, your channel is great. such well made genuine content
@PaleozoicPCs
@PaleozoicPCs Жыл бұрын
Alas I know that building an exact replica of a museum piece like that from scratch is a thing I'm never going to be able to bring myself to do. I mean, I'm not saying I'd settle for just building the case and stuffing a Raspberry Pi in it, that's not my bag, but, man, I look at those schematics full of unobtanium/expensive parts and the itch to replace those ancient EPROMs and SRAMs with more modern ones you can snag for $2 would just be too strong to resist. Might also be tough to avoid redesigning it to use a Z80 instead of an 8080, voltage and clock requirements are a lot friendlier... Of course, taking a look at machines like the SOL and figuring out how to strategically cheap it out is pretty much exactly what Radio Shack did within a few months of its introduction, resulting in the TRS-80. History doesn't always repeat itself but it certainly tends to rhyme. ;) Editorializing, it kind of seems like the design of the "magazine version" of the SOL was kind of a train wreck of conflicting priorities that weren't resolved before the homework was due. If they really had set out to just build a smart terminal all the effort making the expansion connector S-100 compatible (and in the end not quite entirely managing it anyway) seems like a rathole they could have avoided. The Altair's original design of having dual unidirectional data buses is inherently suboptimal; the 8080's data pins are natively bidirectional, the Altair implemented the dual buses mainly to simplify the implementation of the front panel, which most new computers didn't even have any more after 1976. They could have saved a lot of hassle by just stubbing out a piggyback board connector that mostly just replicated the CPU's pinout and used external circuitry to convert it into something closer to S100 if they really specifically wanted it in an expansion box; third-party S100 chassis were built for machines like the TRS-80 that did exactly that. I dunno, I guess it really does feel like what ended up in the magazine was essentially a random snapshot of time taken right around the moment they'd reconsidered whether they were building a terminal or a computer; they were convinced that a "computer" needed to be S100 out of the box and the layout that ended up in the magazine was the first crack at trying to wedge one in there heck or high water. It sounds like they knew it was unworkable even when the magazine was coming off the printing presses but, well, that's deadlines for you.
@TrashfordKent
@TrashfordKent Жыл бұрын
Building something that might not work or is flawed, I think this trait has persisted somewhat ;) looking forward to the journey 👍
@cAHOONah
@cAHOONah Жыл бұрын
I heard/read somewhere, that the walnut side panels were used, cause Marsh had some left from the clock project and a befriended carpenter could provide them for little money.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller Жыл бұрын
The account Lee gave in ROM suggested the clock project didn't happen at all, but possibly they acquired the wood in anticipation of doing that.
@KaldekBoch
@KaldekBoch Жыл бұрын
I missed TTT over the last few weeks!
@frankowalker4662
@frankowalker4662 Жыл бұрын
Wow. I'm looking forward to this build, it's going to be fun. (for us). Using a Pi emulator would'nt give the same feeling or experience as using the real hardware. Plus you get the satisfaction of having a homebuilt computer that you have personally toiled over and sworn at. :)
@snooks5607
@snooks5607 Жыл бұрын
24:05 since it's going to be alternate history version anyway would it make sense to recreate the schematic in EDA and shuffle things around a little to minimise the jumper wires?
@GeografiaDasCoisas
@GeografiaDasCoisas Жыл бұрын
Why? Because you're a real hero. The history is going to the nothing... Congrats!!!
@rutabagasteu
@rutabagasteu Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing the adverts for the Sol 20, but didn't have the dollars to get it.
@justovision
@justovision Жыл бұрын
When it comes to hobbies and passion projects"why" is the only stupid question. Good luck!
@tcaldwe
@tcaldwe 8 ай бұрын
Usagi electric mentioned you in a video!
@penfold7800
@penfold7800 Жыл бұрын
The programming of the Second EPROM must be written down somewhere, or a schematic at least. Im guessing that its possible that the way it worked and what the machine was capable of could have possibly posed a risk to classified sensitive computer systems of the day (imagine a portable intelegent terminal that could do the same thing as a fixed four-cabinet machine AND be interfaced with it without interuption) ...so it inevitably got mothballed.
@matthewrease2376
@matthewrease2376 Жыл бұрын
Woodgrain 😍
@stevetodd7383
@stevetodd7383 Жыл бұрын
If you have the schematics but an unreliable idea of the board layout then you could always feed the schematic into an EDA package like KiCad, feed it the board dimensions and connector positions and have it work out all the routing and traces for you. There’s a fair chance that, with a two layer board, it will manage to handle the whole design without bodge wires. Not period exact but in keeping with the spirit.
@Jkauppa
@Jkauppa Жыл бұрын
capacitive touch-screen flex keyboard, very simple, supports image on the background if transparent
@Jkauppa
@Jkauppa Жыл бұрын
why dont you re-engineer it to work with the firmware, from scratch
@Jkauppa
@Jkauppa Жыл бұрын
its only about the processor interfacing all the other stuff
@Jkauppa
@Jkauppa Жыл бұрын
adapting the original schematic to an operational prototype
@coffeefox5703
@coffeefox5703 Жыл бұрын
I hope you can make it work. If the engineers could do it at the last minute, I'm sure you can do it too. :D
@hoofie2002
@hoofie2002 Жыл бұрын
Those who say build the TV typewriter out of a pi completely and utterly miss the entire point.
@AiOinc1
@AiOinc1 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video as always, all it was missing was a cheesy black and white scene where you mix components together like you're reviving Dracula! I've never understood the "Just put an RPi in it" people. If I wanted a crappy slow computer for cheap, I'd have just 3D printed a chintzy case for it and been done with. Why would anyone bother to go through the effort of fully recreating something like this just to put literally the cheapest modern crap available inside it? That would entirely defeat the purpose of the project.
@williamharris8367
@williamharris8367 Жыл бұрын
Have you tried contacting the Computer History Museum? I do agree that they are not going to let you disassemble an historic artifact, but they _may_ already have documentation on file with detailed measurements, etc. In art galleries, normally only the front of a painting is on display. That said, the gallery will still have a record of any inscriptions or other important information that may be on the back. Presumably this information is made available to those who need it for research purposes.
@dr.elvis.h.christ
@dr.elvis.h.christ Жыл бұрын
So far ahead of their time they had a Prius.
@thrillscience
@thrillscience Жыл бұрын
I think that's a 14.3181 MHz crystal. at 12:53 (You said 13.3784) It's a very common frequency because it's 4x the colorburst frequency. Also, I don't think it's fair to call it a "replica." If you're building it from plans that appeared in a magazine, the resulting item is the actual device. There's no time limit on when the article appears and when it's built, is there?
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller Жыл бұрын
Yes that's just a shot of the VDM-1 board again.. I didn't have a 13.3784 crystal and the photos of the board on the original are too blurry. I'll have to confirm what actual speed was used, my source on that was Lee's interview in ROM Magazine, I think it was July 1977. Regarding replica vs. real - that's a very good question. I consider my TV Typewriter to be real, not replica, vintage parts but not vintage built. I qualify it as real because the article offered the plans for someone to build my own. I consider it a replica only from the standpoint that I made it resemble Don's prototype, which is unique. Something like an Apple-1 replica on the other hand, I would consider a replica all the way around since the only way someone could have one was to purchase it from the two Steves. With this Sol prototype, I think it's more like my TVT - it will be a real SIT, I'm hoping to get almost all of it done with vintage components, but it will resemble the museum unit so it'd be considered a replica of that. Might be an interesting topic for a future video. The people who really care about the distinction are collectors - for a lot of them it's a replica if it's not built in the original time period. Many thanks for your comment and for watching!
@elwro07
@elwro07 Жыл бұрын
Are you going to design and fabricate PCBs for it?
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller Жыл бұрын
I'm going to fabricate PCBs using the original plans.
@bzuidgeest
@bzuidgeest Жыл бұрын
Why? Because i can. Enough explanation 🤣
@zeos386sx
@zeos386sx Жыл бұрын
you used to could buy sol20's for $30 on ebay.
@KarlHamilton
@KarlHamilton Жыл бұрын
sented
@Sevenigma777
@Sevenigma777 Жыл бұрын
How many times did you have to say "Felsenstein"? Lol
@Malephex
@Malephex Жыл бұрын
19:27 ... have you looked at the demographics of your channel? You are preaching to the choir! No w get on with the building :)
@coyote_den
@coyote_den Жыл бұрын
Sadly, Tom Swift's legacy is best known due to a far worse device these days: Tom A Swift's Electric Rifle. TASER.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller Жыл бұрын
I didn't know this!
@booboo699254
@booboo699254 Жыл бұрын
Don't listen to the "why?" folks. We don't do this from a purely logical point of view :)
@bitrage.
@bitrage. Жыл бұрын
You MUST BE a masochist....🤣
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