Flash is also -15 with no range, so if people follow your video its full launch on a block or whiff! I'm practising Reina and this video helps!

Flash is i6-9 I believe

@@roadman_abz488 When he goes into one of his stances it is a bit slower I think but has a tiny bit more range or something like that isnt it? It's 6 frames outside of the stance I think

I dont think flash is a launcher anymore, it might just be me but i cant get more than a 14 frame move off of it.

See this is how Yoshi keeps getting away with it. The move is so forgettable for being as good as it is.

Wait what do you mean

​@@ZenkaiwavI think he means that when you press forward, instead of focusing on inputting the sliding motion for the down forward, try to focus pressing 2 first instead. The reason I think that's what he means is that people often comment that the ewgf seems easier when you try to imagine yourself pushing 2 before the down forward input instead of in the middle of it

Good tip, also putting on command history to see if you are doing the 2 to late or to early helps!

I’m going to have to try that in the lab. Thank you for the tip

Dude thank you. I read this and immediately got it off like 3 times in quick succession. It’s still hard but this def gave me the muscle memory I needed

I know you can tell they had a much higher budget for this game and really put a lot into the visual effects!

Yeah its so cool, it makes me feel like its black flash (the mechanics of it is kinda similar too)

oh yeah absolutely!@@kamish6738

I personally prefer the electric effects in 7. It's one of those situations for me where "less is more."

@@RickyRank i get what u mean. It looks more simple and realistic in 7

Yeah I feel that helps a lot, it always does for me when I'm learning new stuff!

I’ve tried that too. It’s tricky ngl

Bro just change the playback speed to 0.5x. You can do this to any YT video.

that isnt very comforting if pros cant do it i have no hope

@@mxsayian no, it means they’re not even perfect so you don’t really have to EWGF all the time.

But they can they tho they insane

Glad to see you are back playing tekken after a long break!

@kzfaq.info Welcome to the club. Be patient and go slow with your movements at the start to build up the muscle memory!

Thank you!

Glad it helped!

Glad you liked it!

Glad I could help!

Play both

Glad it helped!

Glad it helped :)

Jin kazama is the goat character

@@Hehdhdi6778kaz all day

Thank you :)

I'll never forget when I got it down to, I was so happy!

@kzfaq.info This is a great way of describing it!

@kzfaq.info I am using triangle on the d pad. Some people also map triangle to the L1 button as they feel it helps when everything is done on one hand so you can try that to and see which one works best!

The reason why that is; it is easy to coordinate movement with the same hand.

Tryin this fahsho

can i ask how does heat doesnt proc when u tap L2?

@@rudeus4990 you'll have to use heat before that method works

btw for anyone here on a console, just go to accessibility and map forward/back to a different button. Easy electrics after that ;)

Thanks for watching!

Glad it helped!

Thanks for watching!

I do Forward... neutral..... then DF+2 In between neutral i just kinda flicker. Try this u might luv it

I dont show kuma enough love I'll admit that 😅

Thank you very much!

It was the same for me until I forced myself to use d-pad, I do way less mistakes when I use d-pad but thats just me

I prefer analog stick too. But for particular reason other then the fact i find the dpad very awkward to use at least on an Xbox controller. It also feels way more fluid and fun to use then the dpad for me. Arcades often use joysticks so even if dpad is better ill just use that fact as cope

I actually might try kuma now that he has an electric 😅

@@Dianatroda he is super fun 🙏 and im having a blast

Anywhere I go I get that 😅

It's kind of just a matter of practicing the timing, I remember when I first started to do it I thought I'd never be able to do it consistently and that was when I played on pad but I just got better and better! Some people find it easier to time the electric if they map the triangle button to R1 on their controller! I press the 2 button just after I start the sliding motion on pad if that helps at all

Turn on your command history and pay attention to the input frames. On arcade stick, there's a df angle which allows registers down for 1f before df so the way forward would be to find that angle and practice your electrics from there. On pad that same angle might exist on the D-Pad(definitely does on the analogue), so you pay attention to the command list and see what way positioning your fingers to do electrics brings the most consistency for you... If you're lucky, it will also be the fastest way you can do it(i.e not the actual fastest way in terms of perfect input, but good enough).

What do you mean by stance version?

@@bignoob2726 3+4 stance, hold df to cancel into red eye stance(forgot the name), then just press 2 for ewgf.

@@AodinValar damn, will ppl be able to tell that I'm a fraud tho?

@@bignoob2726 no one hit's every single ewgf and the only reason it's not as good as just straight up hitting the second ewgf is because you have to go into stance and essentially plan on hitting.

or just learn to use a pad like a poorboi

hahaah using the pad for some reason makes my finger tired super fast while using the claw grip, and the stick came yesterday and surprisingly i managed to nail a few electrics right away!@@DPetrified

It's the the homaru theme from tekken 4, it is a classic!

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Flash is faster indeed but wouldn't be a traditional launcher in the sense as the opponent has to be attacking/make contact but yes it is faster (so cheap at times 😂) Steve's b+1 is 13 frames which is the same as kazuya/Reina PEWGF and the fact that it's counterhit means it can't punish etc!

Keyboard or hitbox is in my opinion, I'm just reluctant to change as it is a big learning curve and I have been playing on stick a long time!

Good to hear :) I got my omni back in 2013 😅 I just had a look there and didn't even realise they weren't selling them anymore It's a great stick very sturdy and you wouldn't think mine is over 10 years old! You didn't send them an email enquiring about one? Maybe they are bringing out one thats compatible with the PS5 now

@Dianatroda Aye I probably should've sent an email, I'll do that this evening. I just use a traditional japanese lever and it doesn't feel like it springs back to neutral very quickly. I can do single CD and EWGF some what consistently but chaining them is tough. Just have to keep at it. Anyway, brilliant guide!

@@Drunzer I'm going to email them myself now because I need a new fanta stick as the one I have is getting bet 😅I used a traditional japanese stick before switching and much preferred the korean stick!

Turn on command history and look at exactly when you are hitting 2! Try to delay it a bit more then if you are hitting it to early!

You're welcome and glad it helped!

Practice that’s all it is man.. once u find that spot u can’t lose it.. u honestly aren’t going to electric every single time even the best don’t

Practice as much as you can and it gets better over time. Just try out the different timings and make sure you put on command history in practice to see if you are inputting the 2 to early or to late!

Reina also a much stronger character than Asuka. Asuka received way too many nerfs in T8. Definitely among the worst characters in the game currently sadly.

@Shadowsmoke11 yeah I seen she got nerfed hard for some unknown reason, she wasn't really strong before that so not sure why they went for her at all

Thank you for the helpful replies. Not sure why they nerfed Asuka either. It’s all good though, I up for a challenge this time. Asuka was a lot less execution heavy.

His does a different launch, yes.

It launches different and tornado spins immediately but other than that it shares similar characteristics.....still has high damage to!

Mishima clowns 🤡

@kzfaq.info Are you inputting it as fast as you can? if you tap forward on the d-pad, and immediately press 2 afterward, it usually lines up perfectly for when your thumb slides to down-forward to get the electric

I have never used a hitbox or keyboard before so I can't really do a guide for them! I do know that using hitbox is a big advantage for tekken though so I always thought would it be worth learning it 🤔

The movement in TAG 2 was the GOAT! I did like Tag 2 even though it nearly killed the franchise

It's just the same as when I bought it, I think I will change the grommet in mine soon though as its lost a lot of it's resistance

@@DianatrodaSo you have the K-stick Version?

@@WrathofGuldan yep etokki omni korean edition

Thank you for supporting the channel! Plenty more tutorials/guides to come!

Someone commented here saying that after they tap forward they immediately hit the 2 and it lines up nicely with the down forward! Are you doing the movement fast enough?

It will get better, keep practicing!

Which grab? Are you sure the 2 button is not mapped to more than the right punch?

Left side is very tough and took me a while to get good on it. My best advice is to force yourself to play on the P1, that's what I did and now I prefer P1! Just practice doing it slowly on P1 in practice as its your whole hand doing the work compared to the P2 side

@Dianatroda yeah, the funny thing is I normally practice/play p1 side, and it feels more forced after a couple hours of playing. Whereas p2 side I never train and electrics come like nothing. It's weird. Just gotta keep working on it

I used sanwa at the start and I much prefer the Korean stick, I feel electrics, wavedash and backdash are so much smoother! But that was just my experience with it I know a lot of people prefer the sanwa stick or the k stick

@Dianatroda I've been playing paul and dvj since tekken 5 with sanwas, but I want to try korean Stick since my friend recommends me one

@@Isaac-ry3ks I would also recommend one as it shouldn't be to different if you are use to using a sanwa stick!

@@Dianatroda He wanted to get me this one "CROWN/Samducksa Joystick Lever CWL-303MJ-DX-KMS-HST35 Crazy Dongpal Model" What do you think?

@Isaac-ry3ks My first Korean stick was a crown so it would be a good choice I think It's not to expensive of an upgrade either!

No you wouldn't be skipping the down forward and you need to hit the triangle at the same time as downforward

It is tough but plenty of great pad mishima players! Just a matter of practice

Nope I didn't mod it, the etokki omni is a very comfortable stick!

Also can you go into detail about what a perfect ewgf is? I assumed it was just an electric with the fastest possible input, but i don't see how that would exclude Jin, Devil Jin and Kuma from doing it

I would just try and relax a bit more in a game and not focus on winning to much but just improving and taking what you did well in a match and what you didn't do well and work on it!

@@Countdownsmiles Yep I can indeed, It's in the process!

@@Dianatroda It's not necessarily winning i'm concerned with as much as it is just doing the stuff i practice. The mental stack is so much even before considering my opponent's character and what they're going to try and cheese me with lol

Yeah the xbox controller is not optimal for tekken at all! There is alternative pad controllers you could look at getting that are made for fighting games and are not to expensive!

Dragon punch not hadoken

Yeah dragon punch would be more fitting I think!

Maybe in the future, I dont play on keyboard but I am thinking about trying it out!

it is possible, just takes a loooot of practice, people take years to get good at getting an electric capable of whiff punish, switching timings, counter hit, etc. See your command history to know where you messed up

Nah pad would be better for you since it is familiar. An arcade stick is extremely hard and it depends on what you're comfortable with because some stick has different sensitivity that even moving it slightly the character will move

Stick I think offers higher highs and lower lows. Im a god when it comes to execution on p2 side, but whenever I get side swapped it feels like my gameplay becomes noticably weaker. Understand that stick is a time and cost invesment as well. It will not feel natural at all at first, and there might be chance that you end up getting frustrated, especially with movement and defense. If youre willing to except these factors, then its most definetly possible to achieve great heights on stick in comparison to pad, but in the current landscape of fighting games id actually recommend a hit box. Has the ease of use of pad and allows for the fast execution you are likely after with a stick. Buuuut.... if youre still insistent on an arcade stick more power to you. Its a rewarding and just plain fun input to master. Theres also a passionate community around stick modding. If youre looking for a good entry level, prob go with a mayflash f500 that either has the standard japanese sanwa parts, or is moddable to swap those parts in. But of course if you have more to spend then absolutely get a qanba obsidian. Best stick ive ever used and many tekken pros love it. Long asf message but I hope it helps (maybe I should have just made this into a video on my dead channel💀)

youtube.com/@HelloThere-bj9rw I think hunchosett gave a very good reply there and I agree with him. It takes a while to get good and comfortable with stick. When I first started it took me a good few months to get consistent with it. I was told back then that I needed to play on stick to take mishimas to the highest level possible but this isnt the case, you can easily do this on pad or hitbox either! But if you are willing to put in the time and effort I would recommend a korean stick, I use the etokki omni Korean edition :)

@@Dianatroda great video btw im sorry i did not comment that! Its always awesome to view and support fgc creators, and I appreicate that you actually know your stuff. You'd be surprised how many people dont haha. Also god I hope im lucky enough to get an ettoki but I cant find a decent new one for sale on reputable retailers. I've been wanting to make the jump to korean lever for awhile now, and im ready for the challenge of more precision but also more room for error with a gromet instead of a restrictor gate. I think my best bet is either the nacon daija or swapping out my sanwa on the qanba with likely the ROX dragon knee lever. I heard pretty good things about it and it looks so sick

@hunchosett Do they not still sell them on the etokki website? I got mine in 2012 so I'm not sure if they are not producing them anymore? But that being said I know it cost me a good bit at the time but well worth the investment as I still have it today and its working perfectly!

Shes already very strong without but definitely good to be able to EWGF with her!

​@@Dianatrodatime to go super sayian reina

No I don't hit the x button, it's the triangle button and you only hit it once!

Just keep practicing you will eventually get it!

Electric is: Safe on block + 5 on block 14 frames fast (13 with kaz/Reina) More damage Launches higher WGF punishable on block 15 frames fast Less damage

​@@Dianatrodato be 14 frames fast do you need all ypue inputs to be only a frame right? how realistic is that? i can do ewgf relatively consistens now but i till i reach the df+2 i need like 8-10 frames and not 3 lol.

You just need to input it perfectly yes!

@kzfaq.info yep you can

Try ➡️, ↘️+2

@kzfaq.info Yep its the exact same for Tekken 7!

Are you hitting 2 and down forward at the same time?

Yep it is

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I have heard when people map to shoulder button it makes it easier alright!

It does, I demonstrated it in the video! Just keep practicing

Hmmm never heard of that method until now but 18 frames is a good bit slower but still another method!

You mean quicker for whiffs or block punishing with it? I used to play vs the CPU on TTT2 and just focus on backdashing and whiff punishing with electric in the early days, helped a lot to get me ready for doing it electric really fast in a match when an opponent whiffs a move in front of me!

The electric part?

@kzfaq.info use a normal PS5 controller near the end of the video and you can see how I do it on the handcam!

Okay thanks my bad I didn’t finish it all