I’m no Coyotes fan but I like their jerseys. And it looks like pretty soon the Coyotes will be history as people chose a empty landfill than a new arena

I’m sure all 17 of them will be very disappointed

​@@dodgersallday4290 Incredibly original joke right there. I'm amazed at your wit.

@@JonathanGaeta with Hartford and now the Yotes Kachina gone, we are losing our coolest logos! At least the Ducks are going back to the Mighty Ducks look

@@DavidRyan. not even a joke. There’s a reason they don’t make any money

Don't feel bad for the staff, they've done a horrendous job for 25 years and recently have shot themselves in the foot on multiple occasions.

They have a fan base?

I wouldnt they're making millions of dollars and the guys that have as dead contracts just to reach the cap floor are still making their millions.

As a former 3rd row season ticket holder the team management did not care about the fan base. I was told a few years ago that they didn't care about me and my tickets because they wanted to move. They have spent years taking on dead contracts to hit the cap floor. Just leave already and give us a minor league team which would be more interesting that this one.

I feel bad for the fans and the youth programs in Phoenix, the same ones who developed Matthews, Knies, and countless other players. They are going to suffer.

Yep. Glendale taxpayers got totally hosed on that bad idea to put a stadium that far away from the majority of their fan base.

Honestly, that makes sense. With such an example nearby, possible for many to just say "no, we're not getting into this." And part of me thinks the turnout was pretty decent. People love having the right to vote and that democratic freedom. But a lot don't actually care about going out of their way to actually do the voting part.

As one Glendale resident asked his city council at one of the meetings about the Coyotes' financial troubles about a decade ago: "What's it gonna take you people to realize this has been a losing proposition from day one?". I'm sure a number of residents of Tempe watched and remembered that meeting...and there were LOTS of them!

Vote by mail? Well there's your problem.

Good points. Tempe's economy is booming, so we don't need the Coyotes. I live near the proposed arena and the location is really bad. Thousands of cars would have cut through the neighborhoods for easier access every time it was used. Also, the jerk factor of billionaires did not help. Are any likable? Go three miles east and there are thousands of acres of open land on the reservation. Put it there. The Suns don't own the downtown arena, the city does. Tell the Suns they will have company.

Go Panthers 👍🏒🐅🐯

I have no idea if she was telling the truth, but my friends Mom said she worked for the Panthers' owner back in the day. And was telling me some story that he was pissed during the year of the rat original Playoff run because he was using the team as a tax write off.

@@jessArcadeThe owner was Wayne Huizenga so I TOTALLY believe that story

The NHL had no vetting process for potential Coyotes owners. It's just whatever random hack with money steps forward, they own the team for a couple years and bail. This ENTIRE fiasco is on Bettman and the NHL.

Hugs bro, love the Yotes too and it’s bullshit to do this to fans

Feel ya, man. They are my #2 team and my first in-person NHL game when I was 8. Heartbreaking.

😢

Praying that they find a way to Arizona, the fans deserve better

I can imagine this is a rough time for y'all, but be sure to take care of yourself. Sending much love your way brother.

With many people being ugly about it, I really appreciate this.

Who did u cheer for cause of the relocation Winnipeg or the next closest team

They took our team and you guys gave us a new one so I don’t feel bad at all

Whats the protocal for this? Are you supposed to hate the new team or like the new team? asking for me lol

@@NHLMasterLikeAndSUBSCRIBE I'm kinda a weird case. Most people around here either dropped hockey or picked up Nashville or Carolina. I kinda rooted for the Rangers initially because that was my mom's team. Now I'm more a Stars fan, but that's because I moved to Fort Worth in 2016 but recently moved back to Atlanta.

I'm a hockey and baseball fan in Canada and I wore an A's jersey when I played for one of the slo-pitch teams that I did over thirty years ago. I enjoy kicking back late at night and watching a West coast game involving the Dodgers, Angels or A's. The sad fact is Oakland obviously doesn't have the money to invest in facilities for pro sports teams.

I feel much more sympathy for you A's fans than I do for Coyotes' fans.

@@FischerFan still, it ain’t a great situation for the yotes fans. at least in oakland the ballpark is easily accessible by transit and in the city. glendale’s a pain to go to from what i’ve been told

@@idiotcow3721 I've never been to Arizona, so always wondered about the difficulty of getting to this Glendale arena, but these geniuses will continue to build palatial new arenas that no one wants to go to. That's why the Cleveland Barons failed back in the 70's. The arena was something like 40 miles out of town (plus the team was awful). And I've heard the same things about the arena in Florida & Ottawa.

Not to be mean to the fans but Winnepeg should have never moved there in the first place. I remember as a kid thinking how dumb of a move that was. Not enough people like hockey there. I bet if you drove down the streets in the suburbs of Phoenix, you won't find a single street with kids playing street hockey because they don't like hockey like that.. That's why they live in a desert because hockey is never on your mind if you move to a desert. Pond hockey? Nope, not in the desert. Arizona doesn't deserve a team, not even a little bit. There are only like maybe 15 ice rinks in the entire state.

I think they wanted it to fail. Starting fresh in a new market is likely the best return on investment for ownership. This was about saving face with Bettman and leaving no stone unturned. Fortunately for the league a market like Houston is available and that will keep espn happy.

@@rosskgilmour That's the only thing that makes sense here. Be interesting to see if we find out in a few years that the Phoenix special interest groups were funded by anonymous donors.

@@rosskgilmour thing is, not sure if the owners will be able to move to houston without selling the team to existing people in houston

They only bought the Yotes in the first place so they could have a sportsbook license, as long as they can run a sports book they dont have to care about the team.

this 100%

Gary BettMGMman let the Yotes be bought by a man that 100% doesnt care about the team and only wanted the franchise so he could be eligable to get one of the few sportsbook licenses available in AZ. Team went from moving from Winnipeg, to then having more garbage owners to Bettman not giving up when he should have and now we're here.

Sending them from Winnipeg.

Tempe residents being morons is what went wrong

Most things. Most things went wrong. Id like to see a what went right video.

That's why Tempe City Council voted unanimously for the project to go through. It was an absolutely fantastic deal for the city and I have no idea why you wouldn't vote for it.

There seemed to be a mix of perspectives on the No side. * Local small businesses worried that if it got built, it would just mean people spend less money at their businesses. They felt that bringing the team to Tempe wouldn't increase any spending in the area, it would just shift who got the money people were spending, and if the Coyotes and the businesses in the proposed area were to get a big tax break, it'd mean less spending in local small business and subsequently less tax revenue generated for a city already struggling with its budgets. I'm not sure I buy the conclusions they came to, given that there's not a lot of other entertainment to be found within Tempe itself, so IMO they'd likely see entertainment money stay in/come to Tempe instead of being spent in Phoenix. But I can see the merit in opposing something that could reduce tax revenue and small business survivability at a time when the city is struggling financially and small businesses are as well. They'd likely prefer the landfill stay a landfill. * NIMBYs who just didn't want an "eyesore" or any risk of increased traffic, or who thought the city would have to pay an arm and a leg for it. This is the same city where a retirement home got built across from a long-standing club/venue, and proceeded to sue the venue into oblivion and force them to shut down over irrational and unfounded noise complaints (they knew they were moving in across from a loud place of business, they shouldn't have any grounds to sue because they built and gained residence with the understanding and expectation of those existing noise levels). Something like 60+% of Tempe residents over 55 showed up to vote, that's not going to bode well when ~33% of Tempe residents voted altogether. They'd likely prefer the landfill stay a landfill. * People who thought some wealthy benefactor or future mayor/council would decide to clean up the landfill and make it into affordable housing and parks. There's no indication that this is feasible, but it did seem to be something people were saying they would prefer (realistic or not), and building an arena and entertainment district would kill that potential. I mean, maybe they know something we don't and someone is willing and capable of doing that, and if so, I'd understand that. * Local unionworkers were concerned they wouldn't get the work, and that Meruelo would just bring in his own people from elsewhere, meaning the construction jobs this proposal pushed wouldn't be jobs for locals. Meruelo wouldn't promise to use local union labour, so it's very likely the work wouldn't stay local and help the local economy. Justifiable enough reason to vote against it. * Some folks in Phoenix, like the airport, seemed to complain for the sake of complaining, perhaps due to lobbyists.

The location is bad with poor access (thousands of visitors no doubt would have cut through my neighborhood for each game) and it is on probably the most valuable non-used land in the entire state. Business in Tempe is booming (there are construction cranes everywhere) and we don't need them.

Right? Sadder than I expected to be and I considered them one of my top 4 favorites (even though there's a huge gap between my favorite and #2)

Preserve Yourself -- you'll be a _Rare Artifact_ someday 🙌🏼

Sorry to hear that, buddy. 😢

Bart aren't you from Atlanta?

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Sad...all 4 thousand of you deserve more

Just looking at those highlights, it’s clear to see how passionate their fanbase can be. How sad.

@@michaelpostsstuff9958 Everybody supports a winner. It's during times of mediocrity when you see just how loyal a fan base is.

@@FischerFan the Yotes haven’t even been mediocre for most of their history, they’ve been awful

Isbia has already expressed having no interest in sharing the Footprint Center. And that arena was never built for hockey. When Coyotes played there during their first 7 seasons, the sightlines were terrible, and there were a lot of obstructed view seats , and part of the upper-deck actually hung over the glass.

The current owner would probably do everything in his power to keep the Yotes otherwise he loses the sportsbook license that he was able to get through owning a sports team.

i voted no, a lot of people genuinely did not want this. Could they have courted literally any other city in Arizona that *needs* jobs and development?

@@pomerlain8924 sounds like the barclays center. Couldn’t see the goalie from the upper deck on one side behind the net.

except that gives into the bullshit phoenix wanted, and that arena sucks for watching hockey

Sorry about the Thrashers :( I'm a DC fan and looking back on it, it's a total shame that they aren't there anymore. Ovechkin wouldn't complain, either (jokes)

Atlanta was given a second chance after the Flames...pretty rare... cant see you getting a third shot.

@@projektkobra2247 It would be a slap in the face to Quebec City if Atlanta got a third shot.

@@FischerFan -Agreed. I wish they had let in more WHA clubs during the merger...Notably Houston Aeros.

Ok then... as another CA person, Who's your fav team?

​@@abyssalb1aze425 sharks

Yeah had some friends who are Kings fans that went to Gila’s last season.

Agreed. A good team in AZ with a stable ownership and arena situation would undoubtedly be good for hockey particularly in our region. It's just like Shannon said in the video, this looks like a Thrashers situation :(

@@kendrickl5913 ah dammit. I'm LA

It actually would be highly likely if vancouver wasnt a dogshit city in 2023.

The Vancouver Grizzlies never had as many endless chances as the Coyotes.

And they were setup to fail through the initial expansion rule set. Shame that leagues learned these lessons after the fact but at least future teams won’t suffer the same fate

@@AC-be5gu Yep. NBA made it harder for the Raptors and Grizzlies to succeed. Brilliant strategy 🤦‍♂. Both teams couldn't win the first overall picks in 1996, 1997, and 1998. All because the other owners were salty that the Orlando Magic got 2 number 1 picks in a row and drafted Shaq and Penny Hardaway. As a Raptors fan I miss the Vancouver Grizzlies. Naismith Cup was always a fun game in the preseason.

My favourite NL team was the Montreal Expos. Seeing them leave was heartbreaking but expected. The players strike destroyed that franchise. There was basically no chances of keeping the team in Montreal. Phoenix has been handled with kids gloves for far too long.

A Coyotes fan from Bulgaria?

​@@brianpistolwhip bro was dedicated. Unfortunate that your dedication wasn't rewarded.

@@brianpistolwhip I am a coyotes Fan from Germany. So whats the Problem?

Their prospects are great and they still have a ton of picks over the next couple of years. They'll be good wherever and whomever they are. Still sucks though.

@Brian Misera I'm a Panthers fan from Scotland. Been watching them since Olli Jokinen was captain. It isn't unusual for European hockey fans to support their local team and then have an NHL team too.

bring back our sonics!

​@D R369 theyll be back for sure next time theres an expansion

I'm a Raptors fan and the NBA misses the Sonics. Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton were fun to watch.

@@raptors11111 I am not sure whether there should be more expansion, sadly. If there is hopefully they can find some competent owners.

@Phightinphil25 itll be at least a few years but i think expansion is inevitable. Hope they can find good owners too

A bunch of fucking horrible misinformation apparently screwed this whole thing over, claiming it was "predatory" and was "gonna cost taxpayers a fortune" (even though this new arena wasn't gonna cost taxpayers a dime). I'm beyond pissed off that people in Tempe are that heartless, that careless to not let the Coyotes make their new home there. I've never felt more betrayed by my fellow citizens in AZ than I do now. I hope that city goes bankrupt or something, and that the landfill that's currently where the arena was supposed to be stinks up the whole city.

The team will still exist just in a different place. They will probably like playing in an NHL sized arena at home in front of people who want them there.

If they had fans that cared they probably could have got at least enough yes votes to sell out a game but they didn’t.

Lol, devestated? It's OK big guy

He is "rooting" for a billionaire and a small group of execs to make massive profits at the expense of the communities that will have to pay millions in tax breaks

We shit on them cause they have been a failure for over 20 years. They should've been moved over a decade ago.

There's no rent control policy in Tempe and more than half of the people that live there pay rent. What do you think is going to happen to property values when an entire entertainment district is added?

​@@davin1287 Sure, but you can say that about any development in Tempe. The place is already being gentrified to hell and back, rents are going to continue rising whether or not the TED got built. There's no reason to believe this proposal would have made rent across the board skyrocket

That's sad, I hope you've recovered. When all else fails, root for winners!

Ce qui nous ne tue pas, nous rend plus forts. Si on peut se fier au dicton.

If they're not gonna support the team, then they don't deserve it.

They couldn't fill 4600 damn seats and made every excuse as to why they weren't going, and were openly hostile towards anyone and everyone online. Tempe doesn't deserve anything.

Every team has its loyal fans, but the thousands of empty seats and the multi-millions of dollars lost kinda shatter your claim that they deserve the team.

Same thing happened to the Thrashers and the Whalers. Both were promising young teams when the rug got pulled.

@@colinmarshall6634 And Quebec to some extent.

@@phightinphil25 more than to some extent considering that they won the cup immediately after moving.

@@jacobdill4499 Yes and no, they did add a few key pieces immediately after moving, and who knows if those same pieces are added in Quebec. But I would have felt robbed if I was a Quebec fan back then, both of the team and the cup.

higher taxes always hard to sell for little return if not a yotes fan

Daniel, you get a hat trick for that reply. I live in the neighborhood thousands of cars would have cut through to get to the new arena and we all voted no.

Not to be mean to the fans but Winnepeg should have never moved there in the first place. I remember as a kid thinking how dumb of a move that was. Not enough people like hockey there. I bet if you drove down the streets in the suburbs of Phoenix, you won't find a single street with kids playing street hockey because they don't like hockey like that.. That's why they live in a desert because hockey is never on your mind if you move to a desert. Pond hockey? Nope, not in the desert. Arizona doesn't deserve a team, not even a little bit. There are only like maybe 15 ice rinks in the entire state.

@johnnyslokes2712 The whole idea was to expand the market, those kids that you say are never out playing street hockey didn't move there they were probably born there. Kids that could potentially become hockey fans if exposed to it. I live in an area where I am 5-6 hours away from the closest NHL team, and probably at least 3 away from an ice rink in general, basically I only ever get to skate in the winter. I didn't get into hockey until I was 16 or 17 because no one was here to show it to me, I knew it existed I just never really cared until I started watching games.

Agreed, this team has been half my life for years and I don’t know if I could keep enjoying hockey afterwards

God I just…… I can’t see myself without the yotes…..

My first game was at Phoenix in 96... Was at the game ovi scored the over-the-head goal... Part of the fun of being a yotes fan was, "say whatever you want, you can't phase me. I'm a coyotes fan and already dead inside!" Lol. I'll still love the game... It will be very weird going forward though. Like, what will I do with my collection wall? It feels a similar to 2009, but much worse. Hoping for another miracle tho...

@@buzztheblocker89 i'm sorry to all the yotes fans. i'm a leafs fan, and i will forever be grateful to this team for inspiring talents like matthews, knies, tage thompson, tkachuk, and more. on one hand, i'm happy that the team will finally have an opportunity to succeed somewhere else, but my heart hurts for all of the extremely dedicated coyotes fanbase, and as much as everyone teases you, you have remained loyal for all this time, and that's respectable.

Hop on the Blackhawks bandwagon. Chicago just got Bedard and we have loads of young prospects as well on top of tons of draft capital and cap space

Well, the labor unions can pat themselves on the back since there is no way they will be a part of that project now, eh?

Contrast this with the Seattle Kraken, whose owners negotiated a fair deal with local construction unions to build Climate Pledge Arena. Mutual cooperation can go a long way towards getting things done.

From what I’ve heard the Coyotes did have labor unions involve in the project not sure if it was for the arena or for the other areas to be build within the entertainment district but they were going to use them

One of my patients got a flyer in the mail saying planes would crash and literally had a picture of a plane on fire. Morons from California who believe anything have come here after ruining that state and have infected here.

It was low turnout, actually.

You make a valid point. Go Canucks go!

I was seriously ready to burn my jerseys after every team in the final 4 was a sunbelt team. I literally took down my collection and just threw them in a corner. I literally was willing to root for 10 of the 16 playoff teams. These plus Tampa and LA were the only ones I wouldn't root for. Between this and Bedard not going to a sunbelt team I've never felt more relieved.

Why did the population turn it down?

@@Shadow12aven I’m curios on this too, maybe they wanted public money and taxpayers said no?

@@Shadow12avenbecause the vast majority of people there fall into 2 camps, don’t even know what the coyotes are or they don’t give a fuck at all either way.

@@BryanVGK23 a lot of the people that I know who voted no was due to traffic. And then the no side pumped so much miss info as soon as the campaign started

​@@Shadow12aven the no side advertised this (and out spent the Coyotes) by calling the plan a "bailout for billionaires"

This is better for the community.

Not to be mean to the fans but Winnepeg should have never moved there in the first place. I remember as a kid thinking how dumb of a move that was. Not enough people like hockey there. I bet if you drove down the streets in the suburbs of Phoenix, you won't find a single street with kids playing street hockey because they don't like hockey like that.. That's why they live in a desert because hockey is never on your mind if you move to a desert. Pond hockey? Nope, not in the desert. Arizona doesn't deserve a team, not even a little bit. There are only like maybe 15 ice rinks in the entire state.

@@acpote typical Canadian fans hating on warm states

@@johnnyslokes2712 this is why hockey doesn’t grow lol. Dumb traditionalist fans trying to gatekeep the game

@@johnnyslokes2712 hit the nail on the head, and not enough is being done like in Texas to get the sport out to people. They don't have any pull outside Phoenix. Texas has hockey fans all over the state. There's junior hockey teams all over the state, the AHL team is drawing huge crowds outside of Austin. I mean the NHL can smell the money moving the team to that Houston market. I scratch my head as to why they haven't already.

Maybe quicker. 7 to 10 days. This reminds me so much of Atlanta to Winnipeg because the team was in a rebuild and took 8 years to really build it. No real assets to trade. No core. All bare bones same here. This will be an 8 year plan regardless... however wherever they go it will be more favorable to attract free agents. Salt Lake or Portland or Houston or kc. These are favorable free agency cities. Ppl wanna go there. Ppl didn't want to play with phx. Free agency was hard for them. Same as wpg

Probably already have a backup deal in place in case this happened. Unless Bettman was oblivious and didn’t want to believe that it very well could… which it did.

What possibly could be in a back up deal

@@Russellpeters84 Houston, perhaps?

Native reservation land right off the 101.

lol i hope the 3 hrs includes both ways; because it was a great place Glendale; easy access to freeway; parking; eating etc; i travelled from Tucson a few times thought Glendale was great

@@robm9581 when you have to go completely through Phoenix rush hour traffic to get to Glendale then you have to give yourself an extra hour or else you may miss puckdrop. It was also an hour drive from Scottsdale. Yes it was next to the freeway and had a nice entertainment complex, but Glendale was a bad location. There was still farm land next to the Arena. Not exactly an urban center.

@@wild_lee_coyote not in an urban location; lol Toronto has the worse traffic in NA ; they are now going to move which is what should have happened 10 yrs ago. Greedy owners (billionaires) asking for tax dollars; glad cause it is a horrible hockey market; snow birds help keep franchise alive and the rest of the NHL; now they are in a mickey mouse house what a joke the franchise and league have become.

That's what the voters want. The landfill and other general blight keeps rents low.

I don't care how diehard of a fan you arre, you DON'T compare an entertainment/sports leisure time experience to a close friend or family member who has a terminal illness. What a deplorable statement. Precious human life close to you in peril, equating to a sports team being moved?? Give your head a shake.

Wah wah wahhhh. You literally stole a grassroots WHA team from the smallest market in the NHL. As a jets fan I’ll be cheering when the Aeros or Nordiques unis are released

@@yothythoty729 I'll never cheer for any team in Houston. I will not be watching the rest of the playoffs because there's nothing but sun belt teams left. Assuming Houston gets this team, I hope they bring back the color scheme of the WHA team they had.

@@yothythoty729 I feel sorry for Winnipeg but you got a team back, I also wasn’t even alive during the relocation. We’re at 32 teams, this will be it for a long long time. So losing the coyotes is not the same as losing the jets.

@@countrystud1986 alright, I was overreacting last night because I was feeling a lot of emotions, but I still don’t take back what I said. It’s obviously not worse than losing a family member or friend, but I have lost people before and losing this team is more comparable to that than anything else I’ve lost. Maybe this more like losing a dog. You also have to realize I didn’t just spend hours watching this team, I personally know a lot of people in the organization, I was apart of the youth program. I would’ve never played at the level I did if it weren’t for this team. I had goals of one day working for this organization. I’m a lot more than a diehard fan, so don’t criticize me when you don’t know who I am or how well I’m connected to this team. This isn’t just “entertainment/sports leisure” for me, this is something far greater than that.

The problem is that Vivint Arena doesn't have NHL capabilities in terms of seating (look at the pictures from the pre season games there). Houston is the first choice. If the NHL can get Tillman Fertitta (Rockets owner who has the operational control of Toyota Center) to agree to having an NHL team there the move will be announced asap, potentially during the Stanley Cup Final or before the draft. Kansas City is 100% the second option because that building was built with the NHL in mind (trying to lure the Penguins out of Pittsburgh and the Islanders out of New York). Since there is no primary tenant of T-Mobile Center the NHL walks in and holds the chips in that arena. I don't see this search getting past Houston and it definitely won't get past KC, but the only other offers I could see the NHL looking at are Salt Lake City and Milwaukee

Nathan, Houston would NOT be another Atlanta Thrashers fiasco. Houston vigorously supported the WHA in the 1970’s and supported the IHL and AHL in the 1990’s and early 2000’s. The Toyota Center is built for both basketball and hockey. Tillman Fertitta, who has incredibly deep pockets, would love to buy this hockey franchise.

We actually have lots of coyotes in Winnipeg TRUE FACT

There is a chance. The league often says things like that, yet, behind closed doors keeps communication open. It's obviously not their priority and a last resort option, but right now the situation is that they do have everything in place. If Houston is all-in, it'll be there, but if not, Quebec City is always an option--even if it's not their desirable spot. Right now, it's as close to the end of the line--if not the end, for the Coyotes in Arizona.

@@stevenanthonyguardinoherna3255 Kind of similar to what happened with Atlanta. The Thrasher situation dissolved pretty quickly, and it was Winnipeg that was ready right then and there to take the team, with ownership and an arena. And Winnipeg wasn't a preferred option, as if you recall, the Jets had to stay in the Southeast Division of the Eastern Conference for their first two seasons before the realignment happened.

It'll be QC, this is basically the thrashers all over again. Unless you can explain to me why the owner of the only houston arena would bid more than 1$ for the team. Why would the Houston guy spend a billion dollars so he can split his area's ticket buyers between nhl and nba. It's great to fantasize about raw population numbers, but the arena owner ain't stupid. Houston is a massive blob traffic getting to the arena is gonna limit the number of people who'll make it to the games. there's no point in trying to trick the owner of the team.

Panthers are looking great now. Biggest issue is finding ownership that has the pockets and actually cares about the team instead of just the money. Coyotes have never had trustworthy ownership and it shows. Just awful that the minute they find an owner who has those qualities and start building a team from scratch who wants to stay in Arizona fail just when they found their feet. Really sorry to all you Yotes fans. The fact that you stuck by this team all this time shows that it really could have worked there, if only the NHL hadn't been lazy about ensuring the owners throughout the years cared about building a successful team.

Man, I'm a Bruins fan in Chandler and I'm pissed. I got to see my team once a year. Now I have to spend $1k+ on flights, hotels, and food to travel to a whole other state

​@@blaze87b No offense, but why make this about you? You can support Yotes fans that are likely losing their favorite team. You missing out on seeing your favorite team play in AZ once a year isn't a tradegy.

@Arcade Shift Because I'm also a Yotes fan and I like going to NHL games? It's hard living in an area for 20 years and not becoming a fan of the local teams

@@arcadeshift5071 There's nothing wrong with a fan of another team being disappointed that he won't see his team play where he lives anymore. I'm sure if I was a fan of a team not the Coyotes I'd be greatly disappointed too. Now bro has to spend a ton of money just to see his team. It sucks for him too.

@@ketamineaddict156 You're right, there's nothing wrong with that. I'd be annoyed too. I see lots of posts, "The Coyotes are my 2nd team!" That's fine and good but all it means is a lot of hockey fans from the north relocate to AZ and like going to Coyotes games because they're close, and feel ok cheering for them because they've been so bad that they're not a "threat" to their main team. It feels like a pat on the head even if the intentions are good. tldr: I care most about the Coyotes fans that grew up with that team and have them as their #1 team. Let them have their moment.

Did you hear about the gathering at south Forsyth? Pretty much the same thing as Tempe entertainment plan. They are planning on building an nhl arena shops hotels apartments all that and it's 10 mins from my house. I hope Atlanta gets a team again.

I miss the Whalers...Howe AND Hull?....Just wow!!

Hate to say it but maybe you're a jinx JK. LoL 😆

@@GMS-is9drIf true that would mean the Predators will be next to go. You heard it here first.

@@projektkobra2247 Gordie was awesome. I got to meet him a bunch of times at games and we even ran into him at the airport once. I'll never get over losing the Whale.

Quebec City is the only market in Canada with a hop and a prayer. Saskatchewan doesn't have a market large enough to support a team....and this is not 1983!

Seattle got royally screwed by David Stern, who kissed New Orleans' ass after Katrina, then took bribes from Kevin Johnson to keep the Kings in Suckramento.

Coyotes finally looked like they were on a positive trajectory and then this. I don't think I've felt worse for a fan base in a long time. Even St Louis losing the Rams didn't hit this hard to me.

How about "it doesn't work in Arizona." It doesnt matter if its in Phoenix, Tampa, or any other obscure suburb no one has heard before unless you live there.

Patrick Roy present from mtl got the cup for Colorado .

And Montreal fans were crushed to see the traded Patrick Roy win the Cup 2x in Denver.

Canada doesn't hold special elections. The Canadian public gets no say in anything. Daddy Government decides everything for us.

Hockey is literally the only draw for those cities. Vital to those economies whether you like it or not. Hockey in Arizona? Hah

​@@clarkesuperman Exactly. It is much easier to position public funding for entertainment districts in cities that don't have a ton of other draws. The Flames and Oilers are literally the only major sports teams they have. They don't really have a reason not to invest in infrastructure to support them, especially when they also benefit the city.

The Yes side was outspent $2 million to something like $250,000.

@@comicbookcountdown9252 Which is ridiculous considering the Phoenix special interests groups entire argument was based on a blatant lie. This is by far and away the best arena deal a team has gotten in the NHL, probably ranks toward the top in all major NA sports. Zero taxpayer investment, city money was already collected and committed a project that was already greenlit. It's actually insane this didn't pass.

@@Wayf4rerthe general public was persuaded through misleading ad campaigns? Well this must be a first!

56% of 33% of the Tempe voters. So disappointed.

Tempe is probably afraid of going through what Glendale went through with the Coyotes, where the tax payers get fleeced and have to foot the bill.

Well, if the team had been run properly and had some success on the ice, then people probably would have voted differently. Plus the yes side didn't do a good job of gettitn the message out.

​@Darth Vader A lot of people (myself included) didn't really think a huge campaign push was necessary, since the opposition's campaign was pretty much entirety misinformation. But it succeeded in brainwashing enough Tempe voters that were on the fence or not really following the proposition.

You know Dr. Matthews has a nice ring to it 😉

True fact.

I love this game, you don't think the drop off in Quebec born players doesn't have something to do with the loss of the nordiques?

He was better at baseball than hockey his father said. He would be in the MLB right now guy is a natural athlete.

Who is Austin Matthews? Is he as good as Auston Matthews?

The harsh reality is, this team has never been profitable after almost 30 years in Arizona.

@@FischerFan ya I know it makes sense for them to move financially I just feel for the fans that have stuck by them

How about the original Aeros team that should have been a part of the NHL back then.

The team that was forgotten, but should have been a part of the teams that survived the WHA merger.

The most coherent argument against the development I have seen is that the landfill and other general blight keeps rents low.

Lol. ABQ can't support a pro team. The city can't even support itself. Wish it weren't so, since I live in the area.

They couldn’t get enough yes votes to sell out a single game what fans? Half of those probably just wanted the rest of the development. Also the league will be better off without this parasite.

Karma.

​@@BillyJoeMcallister Not the fans fault

@@aidan8473 25 years of struggling includes a weak fan base.

I'm sorry we put you through it to begin with... should've been an expansion franchise tbh

Seriously as a winnipeg fan, it's crazy how bad it is not to have an nhl team. Those old icy winters in Arizona are gonna make a lack of hockey brutal.

As a Hawks fan, I would LOVE a rivalry with a Milwaukee team. Maybe it would dethrone the Blues as my favorite team to hate 😉

They actually have real fans 🤔?

F your feelings on it as a purist, it makes the most 'cents'. That simply can't be denied or discounted.... Nevermind, the comment I was responding to got deleted

It could be good for the league. The NHL has benefitted very well from cross-state rivalries in California (Sharks, Ducks, and Kings), Florida (Lightning and Panthers), and New York (Islanders, Rangers, and Sabres).

There isn't an ownership group that is currently interested in putting a team in Houston, so that isn't happening.

@@comicbookcountdown9252 not "current" but that's only because this news just broke. I remember too a couple of years ago that there was an NBA owner who was interested in getting an NHL team in Houston... can't remember if it was the Rockets or Hornets guy.

the blues won’t be able to block it though

@@JuliaHammels the landfill hasn't been used for decades. It has been planned for development since the 90's. The just city doesn't want to pay the 50 milloin dollar it's going to take to clean it up. Apparently the voters don't want a developer to clean it up without taxpayers money either...

@@JuliaHammels I dont think its in use now just setting there for along time