Ten MORE Hardtails to Buy in 2023!

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There are more aggressive hardtail mountain bikes on the market today than ever before; and for good reason! Nothing else can match the capability, fun, and value of a well built hardtail! A few months ago we made a video looking at our favorite hardcore hardtails in 2023, and many of you let us know in the comments the bikes you thought should have been included. So this time around we not only included the bikes you asked us to, but ranked them in the order of what we would be most likely to by in 2023!
Original Top 10 Hardtails of 2023 Video: • Top 10 Hardcore Hardta...
Learn more about the winner, the 2023 Marin San Quentin here: • First Ride On My 2023 ...
BE A PART OF OUR NEXT VIDEO! If you're interested in having Wendy and I review your bike, email the year, model, etc. as well as a list of any significant upgrades and modifications you've made to ksquaredvideo@gmail.com. Also include a few good, high quality photos (detailed photos of the bike, you riding it, etc.). Finally, send us your KZfaq/Instagram/etc. handle if you'd like us to shout you out in the video. Any and all bikes (MTB, BMX, road, cruiser, everything!) are welcome! Thanks for helping us make this happen!
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:59 Judging Criteria
02:43 10 - Orange Crush Comp
05:33 9 - Giant Fathom 1
08:30 8 -Trek Roscoe 8
11:43 7 - Salsa Timberjack XT 27.5"
15:19 6 - Santa Cruz Chameleon R MX
18:26 5 - Canyon Stoic 4
21:50 4 - On-One Hello Dave GX
25:06 2 - Kona Honza ESD
28:25 1 - Marin San Quentin 3
32:05 conclusion (be in our next video!)

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@bobcat3653 7 ай бұрын

I really respect yhe disclaimer in the beginning - too many people getting butt hurt over what bike and parts tjat YOU prefer lol . Its all subjective just like you mentioned. I appreciate the time & money you put into your content 💪😎👍

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 7 ай бұрын

Hey thanks man, I appreciate that! Yeah everyone always thinks their bike is the best haha, which honestly isn’t a bad thing, it’s great they’re stoked on it! But that doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll be best for everyone else

@augustoespinal57 Жыл бұрын

Great video like always i got the stoic and i love it

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Good man! It’s such an awesome bike 🤙

@hardmtnbiker Жыл бұрын

That rank my ride is a great idea. I have 3 hardcore hardtail’s all frame only purchased and built up with my choice of parts. I just posted a video on my KZfaq channel with and updated view of my lasted upgrades. Even though you didn’t mention a few hardcore hardtail that I would add, your videos are very informative and well done!

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Just subscribe to your channel, looks like you’ve got some rad stuff on there 🤙 Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the Berd spokes!

@hampuspersson7855 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your videos. Really like to look at them, although I have already made up my mind. Bought a Nukeproof frame on sale and built it up. However Rose Bonero, German value brand (some similarities to Canyon in my opinion) looked very, very interesting to me. Would have been fun to hear your thoughts about that one (on a third list perhaps...). Thanks for your videos!

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thank you man! Ya, I’ve seen the Bonero and it looks like a great value! I’m not a huge fan of the geometry, but if you are than it’d be hard to beat. Enjoy your Scout, I’d love to ride one some day!

@jeremyfritz7850 Жыл бұрын

Great video! I do have a Diamondback Mason 2 that I feel like should be on one of your hardcore hardtail list. It’s got solid geo with a RockShox Judy Gold fork and 27.5+ tires.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Nice man, glad you like it!!

@jeromemontgomery-oq3ti Жыл бұрын

Super good vid dude and very helpful

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Right on, glad you enjoyed it!!

@PhilR870 Жыл бұрын

I just purchased a TREK Marlin 7 XL, oh I’m 6’8”. It’s for light trails, commuting 5 miles to the beach, and family rides. Already bought tires, pedals, riser handlebars, DUB, extra wide Shimano cranks and a 34T. Upgraded from a Giant iguana from 2001.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a great bike, stoked for you!!

@I_THE_ME Жыл бұрын

Yeah, getting a larger chainring is something that a lot of these hardtails need. Many of these come with 30t chainrings which isn't necessarily enough and really put wear on the longest gears.

@Carsandcoffe 7 ай бұрын

I'm getting a marlin 7 for Christmas, if you have, what dropper post did you put on it

@coletrick8748 7 ай бұрын

For me the Chameleon is KING but way overpriced. You’re paying for the top shelf frame.

@Durwood71 5 ай бұрын

The Trek Marlin is a solid bike. I rode the 8 pretty hard for two years and ended up slightly bending the rear triangle and now the shifting is a bit wonky, but to be fair, I was using it more like a trail bike than cross country. As long as you're not doing anything too sketchy with it, then the Marlin will serve you well.

@Brotha_J619 Жыл бұрын

Solid list 💪🏽💪🏽

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏

@briankelliher5026 Жыл бұрын

Dude, I have a 2021 Giant Fathom. It's a custom build.i bought the 2, stripped it sold the stock parts and built up a killer hardtail. I'm running 29X 3.0 tires with plenty of clearance. That's why I chose the fathom.the only stock part on the bike is the cranks!

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Nice man! Ya I’m kinda the same way too, I’ve not lots of relatively inexpensive completed and then just upgraded to parts to suit my liking as I went. Definitely a good way to go 🤙🤙

@walken199 Жыл бұрын

Great video, I probably would include the Commencal Meta HT, I personally owned one and it’s quite a good bike

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Super rad bike! Two of their models actually made the last list, check it out! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ha6JZZOTqrHGo2g.html

@weathdone Жыл бұрын

awesome vid man!! thanx for doing it... Just curious exactly what black tech are ya'll doing on a HT? cause id love to see some of u do even some of the double blue tech at my home MT!!! :)

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thanks 🤙 I’d say one of the gnarlier trails I’ve ridden lately was Hiline trail in Sedona. It’s a blast if you like chunky tech! Definitely some HABs, but an awesome trail nonetheless!

@ryanmcclure2211 Жыл бұрын

I think it’s worth noting that salsa measures HTA at sag. The TJ has a 65° static HTA, on par with most of the other modern hard tails in this list.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thank you for clarifying that Ryan! I’m a bit embarrassed I missed that while researching the video, and also a little annoyed that we can’t all standardize how we measure geo haha

@psalmisrael8183 Жыл бұрын

Great list! I have a dartmoor hornet and it's awesome! Aggressive too, with 63 deg hta.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Nice! The Dartmoor Primal was the mysterious #3 bike that got deleted off my camera lol

@techobal Жыл бұрын

A bike that I'm sure you haven't heard of.Drag Shift 7.1.Assembled in Bulgaria.HTA 65.5 ;Chainstay Length-430mm.I bought it 2 days ago but the bad weather is stopping me from really testing it. Great content, take care.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thank you! You’re new bike looks sick, enjoy it!!

@drewquarrie2116 Жыл бұрын

Just finished building up an '23 Dartmoor Primal 29er, set up more for XC riding (no dropper post and flat bar) in a XL.frame Rockshox Revelation 150mm forks, Shimano XT 1X12 with XTR cranks, custom WTB wheels with DT Swiss hubs built by me with Vitoria Barzo 2.6 tires

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Sounds fast! Enjoy it 🤙🤙

@Develoquent Жыл бұрын

I have a giant fathom 2 with some nice upgrades! 2.8 dhf up front snd stock 2.6 in rear. Cush core plus in front and rear! Some nice grips as well! I like the stock seat

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Nice man! The Fathom is a great frame to make upgrades on like you’ve done!

@TonyOldskool Жыл бұрын

Great vid & subbed, what pedals do you recommend for a 29'er hard tail? so many can't make my mind up...

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tony! I personally run composite pedals with metal pins, they’re lighter, cheaper, and offer 99% of the grip of an alloy pedal. I’m running the e.thirteen basic pedals right now and haven’t had any issues with them!

@scottpeterson9960 Жыл бұрын

The bike I ride the most is my Dartmoor 26Player DJ. It is a little bit long and and has a lower than normal BB for a DJ. My Kona Honzo ESD is my go to bike for most mountain bike trails. It has ruined all of my other mountain bikes. My full suspension DMR SLED almost never gets used since I built the Kona Honzo ESD. There is just something amazing about that frame that makes it really good. Finally I built a Dartmoor Primal 27.5. This bike is very playful with its smaller wheels. I use the Primal in flatter trails with jumps and technical features where the Kona Honzo ESD would not be much fun.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

All such rad bikes! The primal was the supposed to be bike 3 but the footage was corrupted 🙄 Where are you from by the way? It’s so hard to find Dartmoors in the US

@scottpeterson9960 Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy I am loving your channel. Hardtail content is my favorite. I live in Nebraska. Not a place known for mountain biking but there is a group of us here that build public and private dirt jumps and trails. If you know where to look you can find some good stuff to ride. I built my bikes frame up mostly from part you can find on ebay. There aren’t a lot of places to buy a mountain bike from around here and get exactly what you want. The Dartmoors are available very affordably on ebay and are shipped directly from Poland. I ended up building the 26Player in order to take advantage of the many private dirt jump locations and skate parks. The Primal is dialed. It would be my #1 if it wasn’t for the Kona Honzo esd.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thank you Scott!! Sounds like you guys have a pretty good scene out there, keep it up 🤙

@Callthepolicee Ай бұрын

I have stoic 3 with upgraded fork and it feels great.🙏

@darrenelliott9222 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for including Kona,😀

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 4 ай бұрын

Absolutely 🤙🤙

@kevinaraizasuarez5196 Жыл бұрын

I purchased a vitus sentier vr and fell in love with the bike, the feel of it and everything

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Nice! I love Vitus!

@WilliamMightyRed Жыл бұрын

I recently got the Trek Roscoe 8 on sale, $520 off in total for sale and staff goodwill (I helped out with some holiday rides). I agree that full price is questionable. But, sub $2000 was an easy choice for me. I am very impressed with how much modern hard tails have improved.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Killer deal man, stoked for you!! And ya, they really are night and day from the hardtails on the market 10 years ago!

@nyashnader1 Жыл бұрын

I really wanted the roscoe 9, but after tax, the 8 comes out to nearly $900 less with the sale where I couldn’t deny the logic in savings. It’s coming in on Wednesday blue black I’m excited first mtb ❤🎉

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Killer deal, enjoy it!!

@EarthSurferUSA 9 ай бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy Different, sure I guess. But I don't think really better. Different is not always better. In fact, with something as simple as a hard tail bicycle, different is more often a sales pitch to people who don't understand the physics that are better, which is most people from public schools today. For example, a one chain ring bike is all the rage, and I found out my 28 year old hard tail bike will smoke it for top speed, and has a lower creeper gear. A 30lb hard tail was a department store bike in the 90's. More fork travel means slacker head tube angles, not really great if you like to corner. The only real advantage I can see between my modern Trek, and my 1995 hard tail is disk brakes. The new 29" wheel bike is more stable, but pretty much needs a berm to turn decently.

@EarthSurferUSA 9 ай бұрын

And to add, air forks are not really better than coil spring forks. They are a bit lighter, (which is a good plus IMO), and they are easier to adjust for spring rates. You have to take a spring fork apart at least some to change to a stiffer spring, but once your spring rate is set (either air or coil spring), for your weight and riding, you usually don't mess with it anymore. Coil springs actually offer a bit better action than air when both tuned well, especially when the travel gets longer.

@tjittestorm6371 2 ай бұрын

Ha I just commented on you other video about the Stoic and here it is!😂😎

@joshuaallswang8016 Жыл бұрын

I prefer the 65.5-67 HTA, it’s the perfect trail/downcountry bike geometry. Great middle ground. Good for climbing and descending. 64-65 is more downhill oriented. Not my style. But great Video nevertheless💯💪

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thank you Joshua! Ya, definitely depends on riding preference. For what I like to do 65 is just about perfect, but I know people who love their 63 degree and 68 degree HTA bikes just as much! Glad we have options 🤙

@derekhellmann515 Жыл бұрын

Staying on topic., forgot to mention. I purchased the '22 Growler 50. I was thinking of the 40 but decided to go a little extra with the 50. The manufacturer has a good sale and figured it was a dialed frame as you mentioned and decent part spec. with little to no upgrades, I may be a little nervous about the extra slack head on right switchbacks and climbing but we'll see how it goes this summer. Cheers Comrade.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

I think you’ll dig it 🤙🤙 Have fun!

@gr8fulride Жыл бұрын

Enjoy the Marin. I've got a 17 marin nail trail 6 . Handles nicely with the old school geo. Built up a v3 scout 290 recently lyric 160s i9s running Vittoria syerras with Vittoria airliner. Super fun

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Sounds like some fun bikes; the Scout in particular sounds like a bruiser 🤘

@gr8fulride Жыл бұрын

Actually prefer the scout to my squish bike on my local trails. Ride the scout 2 out of 3 rides there at carter road mtb trails aka Loyce Harpe

@devinbyrnes8058 Жыл бұрын

I love your analysis. I always learn about a new frame or two on these to add to my shopping list. Long live high bottom brackets! I will take a higher bb and longer chainstay than a low bb and short chainstay. Maybe I am just weird but I like pedal clearance and the feel better. I like trail hardtails. If you can race an Enduro on them competently, I'm out. I'm not hardcore. Just "enthusiastic".

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Haha I like it man, thank you for the kind words 🤙

@kennyo6582 Жыл бұрын

I just got a Trek X-Caliber 9 for 250 bucks off msrp. I use it for light/easy singletrack and bike path rides, Very smooth. I really like it. The Recon Gold is a sweet fork.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Nice man!!

@xrv404 Жыл бұрын

Really good video, it helps newbees like myself alot. I have a question, I dont expect an answer back, but il try anyway 😊 - Last year I bought a Bianchi Magma 9.S, and I have changed a few parts out and im pretty happy with my bike, but I dont know if its any good and what category it is? I think beginner bike? But is it a cross country or what is it? Please enlighten me 😊 I dont know all the specs, but the fork is a rockshox 100mm air with remote lockout, deore 1x12 speed cassette, deore chain, xt derailleur, xt shifter, 29inch wheels and the weight is measured in at 13.3KG. The brakes are some shimano hydraulics, nothing special I think. I use it for light trails and commuting 50 kilometers twice a week and I think its super for that, but I wouldnt think its good enough for serious mtb stuff?? I still got my 7kg roadbike with dropbars, but my body doesnt like it so much anymore. Hardtail bikes are way better for me, I think its the best bike ever. Best regards from Denmark

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Hey man, thanks for the kind words, always happy to help! It’s definitely more of an XC bike, but it’s still a pretty rad setup! I’d say throwing a 120mm fork on it would do a lot to make it more capable on more technical trails

@marcren-renechanez1711 Жыл бұрын

Hello Good Day! I am a hardtail user ever since. I love watching your content every time. Can you make a review on DARTMOOR HORNET hardtail frame? I think this frame is underrated in some countries but here in the Philippines, it is the go-to hardtail frame for enduro and trail riding. It is also the most popular enduro hardtail frame. I hope this will get to you and make a good content about this. Thank you in advance.

@tmschneider02 8 күн бұрын

I love the San Quintin

@Durwood71 5 ай бұрын

I have the Roscoe 9 and love it. The second water bottle mount is a _must_ for summer riding, and I don't find it gets in the way of the dropper post. I have a Wolf Tooth Resolve dropper on mine with 160mm of travel, which I find to be more than enough to get the seat completely out of my way. I bought it just before the holidays for $2200 new, which is a fantastic deal for this bike.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 5 ай бұрын

Glad you got such a killer deal on it! I have super long legs, so I have to run a 200mm post, which sadly hits the bottle bosses

@derekgilson9479 8 ай бұрын

Question what are your thoughts on the giant xtc advanced 29 3? Ideally for light trails and along the road for exercise purposes

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 8 ай бұрын

Perfect for that kind of riding! Great value too

@drc3po 4 ай бұрын

I bought two Specialized hardtails. First thing I did was saw 3 inches off the seat tubes. Drops down to the height I like and still has plenty of stem left to bite.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 4 ай бұрын

That’s ballsy haha, I like it!

@danielphilbrook1035 11 ай бұрын

My wife got me the employee discount through epic mountain on the Roscoe 7 and I have been loving it. Honestly I probably would have chosen the canyon stoic 3 if I didn’t have the discount but I couldn’t pass it up for the price.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 11 ай бұрын

Nice man!!

@19brs73 10 ай бұрын

Couldn't pass up a 2016 Orange p7 RS last year when I saw it online.

@nathanstone4416 3 ай бұрын

Just ordered a chameleon 29 r in the new matte black can’t wait for it to come in!

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 3 ай бұрын

Niiiice!!

@joshdesj Жыл бұрын

Great variety here Josh… cool video and thanks for looking at the On One hello Dave… it’s been a killer bike for me so far, 5-6 rides in to it so far after just having it built up at the local shop.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Sure does look like a blast! How do those long chainstays feel? I think that’s the only thing I’d be not so stoked about

@joshdesj Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy Yeah it really is a lot of fun! but you're spot on, it's not a bike I'll probably take to the bmx park. It smashes the downhill tho and so far seems to jump pretty well too! I'm not a great jumper but I can tell it'll handle anything you throw at it. I really like the long and slack feel... this is the first bike I've had where I didn't feel at least a little bit cramped in the cockpit. I haven't been able to really give it a proper break-in up at Galbraith yet due to the weather, but I know it's going to shred up there for sure!

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Hell ya 🤘 Glad your stoked! I’d love to take it for a spin if we ever get out on a ride together!

@joshdesj Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy oh yeah absolutely man! I’m thinking if not Bend then maybe Galbraith in Bellingham for sure if y’all make it up this way! I’d like to try either the RSD or the Marin… we can swap for a couple trails 🤙🏻

@joshdesj Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy I’m a touch over 6’ with a long reach and I feel like you’ve mentioned your over 6’ too so it’ll probably fit you well, other than the long chain stays!

@jurisx85 Жыл бұрын

Awesome list! Make the SQ3 mullet and review it! Nobody’s done it yet, you’ll be the first!

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

I think it’d rip as a mullet, I’ll try it out soon!

@jameswilson2815 6 ай бұрын

Kinda bummed you didnt mention the Nukeproof Scout, which I ride. All good. Happy trails. Aloha.😎🤙

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 5 ай бұрын

Super rad bike, check out part 2 of the video here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bc-ReZZ1mrDad3U.htmlsi=H6B5XPq3fHU_XsCg

@wernerschodts8839 Жыл бұрын

Hey, I bought a Trek Rosco 9, great mtb for me, I'm happy with it

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Good to hear, glad you’re enjoying it!!

@rangi0072 Жыл бұрын

Awesome list there man I have the chameleon mx so far it’s awesome but if honest I think the older model probably suited me better

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Gotcha, I think I could have definitely gotten down with that generation other than the head tube angle, 67 degrees is just a bit to steep for me. What did you prefer most about the older model?

@rangi0072 Жыл бұрын

Lol Yeah that 67 head angle almost steered me away too but It turned out not to be an issue.. it cornered turned and railed sooooo well I run a 140 fork and 50mm riser bars ‘not everyone’s cup of tea’ but ‘415’ chain stays made wheelies manuals bunny hops 🤙🤙yep! This new one has all the same dna but it feels slightly heavier and stiffer also you really can feel the small changes they made in geo.. feels more capable and enduro like ... the mx set up has taken some getting used too but I like it now and totally get why mullets are a thing... I’m glad I kept the old frame though and I intend to build it up back up with as an urban /enduro assult weapon in mind ;)

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Sounds like my kind of bike man! Pretty much exactly how I have my RSD Middlechild built up. Glad you’re having fun on it 🤙

@claudioski Жыл бұрын

Great video! I would be interested in know your thoughts on the Orbea Laufey. Also, as a parent of a 11 years old kid I would love to see from you a similar video for the coolest hardtails for kids, specially for those like mine that are just in between a big kids bike or and xxs adults size. Thanks for the great job!

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

The Laufey looks like a great all around trail bike! The seat tube is a bit long for my taste (470 on a large) but other that no issues!

@claudioski Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy Thanks Josh!

@BFM777 Жыл бұрын

Just bought a Rocky Mountain fusion 40 on sale haven’t got to ride much as it’s been too cold, but got one ride and I’m liking it curious what your expertise opinion of it is?

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Definitely a rad bike! I actually included it on a type 5 value aggressive hardtails video that I’ll be releasing later this week!

@BFM777 Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy nice

@CragCatDad Жыл бұрын

Awesome vid man, really interesting thoughts and opinions. I’m new to mtb (bought first mtb, marlin 6, two months ago) and already wanting to upgrade. I was wondering what your thoughts were on where the Devinci Kobaine, Rocky Mountain Growler, and Vitus Sentier.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Nice! What type of riding do you like to do?

@CragCatDad Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy I signed up for my first XC race and competed a week ago. Super fun, got 10th out of 50! As Im so new, I’ve been dabbling in what I can drive out to and check out here in Texas. So far single track but I truly want to play in all the settings as my skills progress. I’ve done some blue trails. No dh or enduro yet. I do have some goals to do bike packing + pack rafting so the review you did on the Timberjack made it appealing.

@CragCatDad Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy I was also looking into the Fezzari Wasatch but worried that was “too XC”

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Nice! The Growler is definitely more enduro focused, so I’d take that off the list first. Between the Vitus and the Devinci, the Vitus has a bit better spec for the money and the frame geo is more closely aimed at XC riding. The Kobain is the most “all around” bike, but the value’s not quite as high

@CragCatDad Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy Awesome! Thank you for taking your time and sharing some of your knowledge! I’m so new idk what direction I want to go in as far as riding style except that I want to race again bc that was pretty fun to meet everyone in the community. Great content and pretty cool that you engage with us in the comments. Would you still take the San Quentin 3 over all of the bikes mentioned? As far as overall value and versatility?

@robbylancel Жыл бұрын

Hi Josh, just a reminder that the 66.4 degree headhangle is at sag. Unsagged it would be around 65°

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thanks for correcting that, I missed that while researching. I really being we could all agree on a way to measure geometry lol

@frustratedalien666 Жыл бұрын

I'm gonna say that the Rocky Mountain Growler series should be in the top 3. I say that as someone who chose the cheaper Trek Roscoe 7, the Rocky Mountain Growlers are excellent. And they are on sale right now here in Canada

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

It was on the original top 10 video; this list was made up from the bikes suggested in the comments of that one. Check it out here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ha6JZZOTqrHGo2g.html

@HardCorps88 7 ай бұрын

Yup I love mine!

@owenmckee4053 Жыл бұрын

Just bought my first bike; an On-One Hello Dave, pretty crazy geo but for the price (£999) the spec is unbelievable - GX drivetrain and a Lyrik select 150mm.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Absolutely killer value! How you liking the geometry so far?

@BigManRoloh Жыл бұрын

I also have a hello Dave had it for a year and it isn’t as sluggish as the geo would suggest

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Good to know, thanks for sharing!!

@edwardstimecapsule9837 4 ай бұрын

Just picked up the 2022 Kona Honzo it was on sale at the The Path bike shop in Tustin Cali Orange County and I was reluctant at first because this being a hard tail and the rest of my stable being agro slacked out enduro/trail AM full suspension bikes, wasn’t sure exactly how the ESD was going to perform and much to my surprise I felt right at home on the Kona, it’s weird it has enough flex in the rear that it feels like it’s a locked out shock?? The bike is super dialed right out the box and I use her on my local cross country trails with some mild downhill, took her to Skypark bike park in lake arrowhead a couple of times and I have to say, I’m not disappointed at all to have this hard tail as a new addition to my stable-maybe taking her to snow summit next season but will see, I kinda like to get rowdy with the Canfield balance at the bike parks but will consider taking the ESD for a couple runs at summit…🤷‍♂️🚴 #KonaHonzoESDrocks🤘🏽

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 3 ай бұрын

I bet it was a blast at SkyPark! Hardtails like the ESD really shine on flowy jump trails!

@edwardstimecapsule9837 3 ай бұрын

Indeed it was a blast especially on the new pump track anyways gon spend more time on her just getting back to hard tail mode excellent channel my guy keep up the great work 🤙

@JoeIsCrazyWillman 5 ай бұрын

I have a Chameleon MX R in that exact color I got in October. LOVE it! My only complaints were the tires (very slow! Lost speed downhill! Replaced quickly with Schwalbe Hans Dampf super trail 2.6 Addix-Soft and now it rolls way quicker and is much tougher too. Also added a cushcore and run 20-24 psi rear. My other complaint(s) is the Sram NX shifter and brakes.... In that the shifter doesnt allow index finger upshifting like the Shimano on my two full suspension bikes and also the integrated handlebar mounts doesn't allow for different separation angles between the shifter/dropper and the brake levers. Other than those things, bike is absolutely amazing!

@JoeIsCrazyWillman 5 ай бұрын

I feel if I upgrade the fork, I should go for a 150mm RockShox Pike? I have a 150/135 trail bike that feels fairly similar to my Chameleon (has RockShox 35 Gold), and I'm thinking the Pike 150mm on that too. Match the forks would be a good idea?

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 5 ай бұрын

Sounds like a great bike, gladded you’re stoked on it!! 150mm might be a bit of a stretch, but it’d probably be ok, just keep in mind you’ll slacken your head tube and increase your stack quite a bit, as well as marginally reduce your reach

@fpeter01 9 ай бұрын

Interesting to see that hardtails came back. They struggled for long years because of fullies. There are a lot of capable frames out there. I wonder how those hardtails work in technical xc and marathon style stuff. I feel myself sometimes underbiked on a carbon race hardtail. The descents are part of the race and they can be mean and scary if you are not on a fully.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 9 ай бұрын

That depends on the wheel size and amount of suspension. I would compare several similar bikes that are on your list and know that the bikes with a higher BB will probably be more agile/playful, and a lower BB will be more stable/planted

@jasonlewis6914 Жыл бұрын

I highly recommend niner air 9 aluminum hardtail it's a great mountain bike.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

My dad actually used to own that bike! A little more XC focused than I prefer though

@alexlamy1271 Жыл бұрын

My favorite hardtail are .. Commencal Ht ,Santa cruz cameleon and Marin Sanquentin 3 . Peace amigos

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Great bikes!!

@cryptoskillz Ай бұрын

Curious about these bikes Spec fuse 27.5 ($949) Salsa rangefinder deore 12 27.5 ($1199) Trek Roscoe 8 29 ($1599) Fezzari Wasatch 27.5 ($949)

@WarBells444 3 ай бұрын

Does anybody know anything about A Squall Breezer hard tail? And if so, is that a good mountain bike for uphill downhill riding? For beginners.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 2 ай бұрын

I sadly don’t!

@native7ound Жыл бұрын

What about Orbea Laufey h-ltd, could this model be included in the selection?

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Definitely could be! I’m not a huge fan of the geo, but still seems like a great bike 🤙

@EarthSurferUSA 9 ай бұрын

I was into Mt. Bike riding (and worked for a manufacture) in the mid 90's, and am just getting back into it for exercise. I never had a dropper seat post, and not totally sure I would like it because of my riding style. When I go downhill, for great control, I like to get back on the bike, off the seat, but pinch the seat with my inner thighs, (and even put my weight on the seat like that) so I can relax my arms. Can you pinch the seat like that with the seat dropped? If not, you are missing some bike control.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 9 ай бұрын

You're right, it's definitely a different riding style! I think if you spent some time on a modern bike you'd learn to like and find you'd actually have more control because you'd open up tons of movement for your upper body over the bike. But that said, if you've got something that already works for you why change!

@atw196 Жыл бұрын

My next bike is probably going to be the commencal meta ht 29 !

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Nice! I actually did a full video on that bike, check it out! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLpgaJOU2riynIE.html

@calvinpgetzke5720 Жыл бұрын

I love my 2022 Rocky Mountain Growler 40!!

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Glad you’re stoked on it!! I featured a growler on the previous top ten, check it out: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ha6JZZOTqrHGo2g.html

@calvinpgetzke5720 Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy SICK man I will check it out!! Good job on your content keep it coming :)

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thank you man 🤙

@X41N3 Жыл бұрын

Interesting, I've been having my eye on the marin san quentin for a while now. I'm just waiting for a good deal cuz im a poor student lol

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Check out the San Quentin 2 on Bikes Online; it’s a killer deal at just $1500! bikesonline-usa.sjv.io/nL1OMV

@dragonslayer344 Жыл бұрын

Dartmoor Hornet 🔥

@derekhellmann515 Жыл бұрын

Great reviews. If you wore a green flak jacket and cigar you would look like a revolutionarily. 😀

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Haha that’s hilarious 😂😂 But I take it as a compliment!

@RedArmy-fk6lv 11 ай бұрын

Question what’s a better bike Nukeproof Scout or Kona Honzo

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 11 ай бұрын

The Honzo (assuming you’re not talking about the ESD) will be a bit more agile/playful in mellower terrain, but feel a bit under-gunned in the steep stuff. The scout is probably a better “all around option,” but again, will feel a bit more sluggish in low-incline terrain. Hope that helps!

@MattMolchan-me2jx Жыл бұрын

Would love to hear the thoughts on the VooDoo Bizango Pro.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

It looks like the frame isn’t compatible with a through axel hub, which will make it quite a bit harder to upgrade/replace your back wheel down the road. Check out the Polygon Xtrada 7, it’s probably the best bike for under $1,000 right now if you ask me

@kaltonian Жыл бұрын

for me it has to be the infamous............ nukeproof scout, outrageously brilliant on 90% of riding styles as well as terrain, super impressed with the scout, this is after 30 years of cycling & testing a huge range of bikes.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Super rad bike! I actually included it on my first top 10 list that this video is in response to; check it out here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ha6JZZOTqrHGo2g.html

@russty81ify 7 ай бұрын

Scout baby!!!

@effynashrul8562 Жыл бұрын

Team san quentin fist bump 👊 (though mine is the older gen) I'm sure you wont regret it bro. Had always tried to save money to buy another bike,i end up buying parts to upgrade my current SQ 😂 the money is now nowhere to be seen

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Nice! I owned the previous generation as well, but didn’t like how high the seat tube was (515 mm on my XL). Glad the changed that though!

@bidibee808 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the video - such a great breakdown. Coming off an old 26" Giant STP, I am currently deciding between the 2023 SQ3 and Ragley Marley 1.0. The bike will mainly see pavement, grass parks, gravel, urban obstacles, and an occasional green trail ride with the family; however, it should still be able to handle my BMX freestyle antics (small jumps, 180s, abubacas, endoes, wheelies... you know, stuff to show off to the kids while I still can) along with an occasional trail ride. I thought the SQ3 was my answer, but I'm not so sure the lower BB and slacker HTA would be favorable. Yes, the SQ3 has the huge advantage with stand over and that radical DJ look (like my STP), but wouldn't the Marley's shorter wheel base and steeper HT angle make it feel more agile and playful for my style of riding? Trying to find reasons NOT to get the Marley, but I can't. Any thoughts? Thanks!

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Both of those bikes are rad, but yes I’d agree that the Markey is a bit better suited for the type of riding you described. I’d also recommend the RSD Middlechild; it’s got super short 415 mm chainstays, a pretty high BB, and a 440 mm seat tube. I’ve done some videos on it on my channel, check em out! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Zr6jrbGh2pq3aYU.html

@bidibee808 Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy Yup, that RSD Middlechild is sweet, but a bit over budget. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and experience, and responding to all these comments.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Of course man, always happy to help! The Middlechild complete is actually just $450 more than the SQ3, and I think totally worth that. The Marin is a great bike, but is missing a bit of that special sauce that makes the RSD so fun. I can get you 5% off the Middlechild as well if you use the code Josh5%off

@noUnderstanding Жыл бұрын

Great video. I was about to get Marin San Quentin 3, but the colors... meh Ended up with Rose Bonero 3, currently waiting for the shipment

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Nice! Never ridden one but these seem like pretty cool bikes! Enjoy it 🤙

@user-lc2mu9jk2b 10 ай бұрын

Great ranking review. Too bad you couldn’t add the bike/frame weights.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 10 ай бұрын

Thanks! Sadly lots brands don't disclose complete bike weights, so I had to leave them out. Good call on frame weight though, maybe next time!

@urros5674 Жыл бұрын

I bought a 2021 haibike seet 9 29 with rockshox forks but i dont now hom much i can push it to the limits. Can i go doownhil with some rocks can i do jumps with it. And there arent any youtube videos about the bike. Any information about the bike is apreciated.❤

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

It’s definitely not made for super aggressive riding, but I think you’d be okay to start progressing towards that style of riding and upgrade some parts as you go! If/when you choose to buy some new parts for that bike I’d start with the brakes and tires, that’s probably the best bang for your buck. Let me know if you choose to do this and I can give you some suggestions!

@urros5674 Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy thanks for the reply. I would really use some suggestions. And what about the forks? Do they need an upgrade?

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Check out the Sram DB8 brakes. They’re on sale right now for a great deal! SRAM DB8 Disc Brake Black, Rear a.co/d/fmTwu30 For tires I’d look at Delium and run whatever looks best for your typical terrain. The fork will need to be replaced at some point for sure, but that’s a bigger purchase and I wouldn’t say you need that right off that bat

@barfo281 21 күн бұрын

Update: As of early June 2024, Kona Honzo ESD is $2,299 (Kona has reduced prices across the board since the original owners returned to the company).

@machyne82 Жыл бұрын

I’m eyeballing the Marin Team 2. Waiting for a sale though. I guess the seat stays were cracking too. But I think they fixed that

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

That bike is hard to beat if you’re looking for an affordable XC rocket! What do you ride now?

@machyne82 Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy Banshee Prime, Paradox, Status 160, and Levo

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

What a collection 👌👌

@jodyconrad3855 Жыл бұрын

The Salsa’s head tube angle is measured at sag…it’s actually right at about 65 degrees un-sagged. Great channel and love your stuff.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Good to know, thank you! I must have missed that; does that apply to the seat tube angle as well?

@jurisx85 Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy yes, all measurements are at 25 % sag. I hear the mullet set up is killer on that bike!

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

I bet man, looks like such a fun bike!

@jodyconrad3855 Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy it’s worth noting that the ti frame has previous generation geometry with a 68 degree head tube etc. So disappointed!

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Weird! Good to know though. Check out the RSD Middlechild ti, pretty similar geo to the Timberjack!

@newbylife 11 ай бұрын

Dartmoor Hornet, you should list :)

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 11 ай бұрын

Got it here, check it out! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eZupd9SonpzFf5s.html

@tpick9512 Жыл бұрын

Any reason the Nukeproof Scout doesn't make the cut?

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Because it was on the first list haha, this one is the best of the rest. Check out the original here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ha6JZZOTqrHGo2g.html

@lovemussb1940 Жыл бұрын

I’m going to get a cube reaction pro.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Nice! Enjoy it 🤙

@FrankAllen-fx2hw 10 ай бұрын

moderate headtube angle is 64 , 65 ??

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 10 ай бұрын

On an aggressive hardtail, yes. This bikes usually range from 1round 63-66 degrees.

@kiethpederson7558 7 ай бұрын

It seems though a lot of these videos I see on these hard-core hot tails they seem to run just single track or pump tracks I've never seen them actually riding trails other than the one I ride myself which is a Vitus Sentier . Which I love only problem is is I think they're gonna go out of business used to be able to get a hold of somebody in the US to speak with them now it seems wiggle and chain reaction are only doing business in the UK so I think I'm poop out of luck if something happens to it

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, definitely a bummer about Vitus and Nukeproof! Hopefully someone buys them up and let’s us contiyto enjoy those bikes stateside!

@derekdavis6508 11 ай бұрын

Ragley Marley 2.0 on sale chain reaction cycles, 2022 or 23 I think is still $990.00, and Voodoo Wazooo is $951.00 shipping cost included from across the pond, both great budget options.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 11 ай бұрын

Great deals, thanks for sharing!!

@derekdavis6508 11 ай бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy yep no problem, I would have trouble choosing, I like both of those.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 11 ай бұрын

I’d have to take the Ragley; better spec and the geometry lines up with my riding style a bit more

@derekdavis6508 11 ай бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy yep I may order one soon I hope may wait for tax return.

@ahduck7 Жыл бұрын

32:16 You missed bike No.3. Maybe a Specialized Fuse, Ragley Marley or mmmbop, Nukeproof Scout?

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Ya, memory card crapped out on me 🤦‍♂️ Two of those three bikes are on my first list of top 10 hardtails though, check it out here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ha6JZZOTqrHGo2g.html

@8lank820 Жыл бұрын

I just bought the Kona Kahuna 2023 (1061$) as my first mtb, is it good enough for light trails and cross country?

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Nice, you got a great deal on that! And it definitely is! You may find the 100mm of travel up front to be a bit limiting as you progress, but it’s definitely a capable bike 🤙

@8lank820 Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy Thanks for the reply. I was planning to increase the travel from 100mm to 120mm with the same fork (rockshox recon silver) just by removing the spacer(?). In your opinion, would the frame/fork able handle that change when I ride on more technical trails?

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

I think it should, 20mm is usually within the tolerable range. I’d look it up though, you might be able to find people who’ve done the same thing

@8lank820 Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy I can't wait to ride it as soon it arrives. I'll be ordering KS exa 900i dropper post as well for 1st upgrade. Thank you for the helpful replies^^ I hope to see some bike community here in Korea as kind as you.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thank you man, I’m sure you’ll find it 🤙

@iepdeklein1701 6 ай бұрын

How about Cannondale Habit HT 2023?

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 6 ай бұрын

It hadn’t been released yet, but I did a full video on that bike, check it out here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jNaIZqll0au9iKM.htmlsi=o_0rMzQLY2BNoPuS

@trailblazeratv6306 Жыл бұрын

66 ht is fine if you're doing 50/50 up and down. A lot of Pivot and Ibis bikes are around 66

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

True, but that just gets steeper when you sink into your sag on a hardtail, turning that 66 degrees into 67 or 68

@simonwoginger2306 Жыл бұрын

I really thought about buying the marin but 27,5" wheels on a hardtail are just a dealbreaker for me being 6'2"

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Im 6’1” and won’t ride anything but 27.5 haha, but it all comes down to preference

@edderperesotelo3788 7 ай бұрын

Falto la dartmoor hornet,primal Ns eccentric COMMENCAL ht Chromag stylus

@Everyday-man Жыл бұрын

Canyon Stoic

@sneaker4musik4life Жыл бұрын

You missed to mention the Rose Bonero 3. 😉

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

The name alone should have earned it a spot on the list haha!

@dnutr Жыл бұрын

Yo l!!! You only had 9 bikes on the list, you missed #3 But the Kona Honzo ESD rips I used it on double black trails, Hardtail party had good reviews on it

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Haha ya I mentioned that in the video; was supposed to be the Dartmoor Primal. And yes, absolutely killer bike!! Wish it wasn’t quite so low and slack for more dirt jump/jib riding but you could always change that with an angle adjust headset

@crit71 Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure On-One is sold by Planet X. I've got the Hello Dave Titanium version.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Yep, they are! And that’s awesome, are you talking about the Titus Loco-Moto by chance?

@sampah89 Жыл бұрын

Why Salsa‘s Timberjack doesn’t have its own timestamp? Great review still

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the catch! Looks like it was a typo in the description

@sampah89 Жыл бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendyNice to know you have fixed it! Thanks for the great review

@jamespickett3878 6 ай бұрын

The Orange crush is now half the price - is that good value for money ($1500)

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 6 ай бұрын

Dang, what a deal!!

@teecee4459 11 ай бұрын

Why the stoic over the grand canyon?

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 11 ай бұрын

The Grand Canyon is a great entry-level hardtail, whereas the Stoic is aimed more towards aggressive trail riding. The difference come down to frame geometry/quality and the components the bikes are specced with.

@teecee4459 11 ай бұрын

@@ridingwithjoshandwendy thanks for the response! I'm definitely not doing aggressive trail riding. The Grand Canyon 8 looks awesome, but the $300 shipping charge, ouch! Plus no stock and long delivery times. I'm looking at the Xtrada 7 instead.

@escape1318 Жыл бұрын

Canyon Stoic is great

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Glad you’ve enjoyed it!!

@fudganuld Жыл бұрын

Ragley Blue Pig Race 2022....!!

@EarthSurferUSA 9 ай бұрын

How much do they weigh? If I am paying over a grand for a hard tail Mt. bike, that is my #1 factor.

@EarthSurferUSA 9 ай бұрын

Because if my Trek Marlin 7 Gen 2 could lose 8lbs, it would be hard to beat.

@EarthSurferUSA 9 ай бұрын

Lose 8lbs and gain a chain ring.

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 9 ай бұрын

I'm personally much more worried about strength and ride feel, so I don't pay attention to weight

@adventuresonwheels5272 19 күн бұрын

Esker Japhy… maybe?

@topchoice1621 11 ай бұрын

Canyon stoic is the best bike on this list for sure

@ridingwithjoshandwendy 11 ай бұрын

Other than that high seat tube it's hard to beat!

@junesebastian392 Жыл бұрын

meh, no Ragley in the list? maybe you should try one, all rounder like the Marley or the longer travel mmmbop will beat the san quentin..

@ridingwithjoshandwendy Жыл бұрын

Lots of Ragley content on this channel, love those bikes 🤙 Check out the first top 10 list of your looking for some Ragley love: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ha6JZZOTqrHGo2g.html