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Terrible Writing Advice

Terrible Writing Advice

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Everything ends even this Terrible Writing Advice video on how to begin the beginning of ending a story’s end. So let’s begin the video on writing endings and make it to the ending of the video on endings but not before beginning the video on endings of course. Now if you will excuse me, I seemed to be lost in my own description.
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@TerribleWritingAdvice
@TerribleWritingAdvice 4 жыл бұрын
By the way, I’m not actually ending Terrible Writing Advice or anything. That was just for the “it was all just a dream” joke.
@dakat5131
@dakat5131 4 жыл бұрын
When I saw the title I thought "wouldn't it be ironic if this was actually the end? They probably would do that"
@99jdave99
@99jdave99 4 жыл бұрын
man I love the quick self-implementation of your guide!
@ChibiRuah
@ChibiRuah 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I feel it was a very clever joke and a fun double twist. Though the abrupt ending joke was a little too predictable for my taste. But over all I say this video was above par and I really liked the "No I am ending this" combo with "it was a dream". Very on point.
@Netherwolf6100
@Netherwolf6100 4 жыл бұрын
Hey JP, I got a question. Which is worse; When a writer starts with an ending and tries to build a story around their ideal conclusion? Or A writer who starts a story and keeps it going so long they don't know how to tie up every loose end?
@MMTrigger
@MMTrigger 4 жыл бұрын
I get the feeling that this episode was partly a swipe at 'The Last Jedi' since Rian Johnson dumped a lot of JJ Abram's ideas for the sake of a twist.
@mauritiusblackwell3990
@mauritiusblackwell3990 4 жыл бұрын
"People will remember the botched ending over the fantastic story more." If that ain't the realest thing you ever said...
@akatoshslayer7599
@akatoshslayer7599 4 жыл бұрын
Quick tell me about literally anything that happens in Mass Effect 3 other than the ending.
@mauritiusblackwell3990
@mauritiusblackwell3990 4 жыл бұрын
@@akatoshslayer7599 I never played it.
@redrum47
@redrum47 4 жыл бұрын
@Akatosh Shephard kills Mordin
@TheEtherny
@TheEtherny 4 жыл бұрын
Right? I felt it was a criticism towards both the writer and the audience but every idiot's just too busy saying "D&D bad" to get it
@mauritiusblackwell3990
@mauritiusblackwell3990 4 жыл бұрын
Ya know, when I posted that comment, I was referring to a story in general, not Mass Effect.
@bradl.602
@bradl.602 4 жыл бұрын
Comments: "Wow he must really hate [insert media here] to mention that." Reality: Terrible writing is dominant in all major media.
@spookyrosev6467
@spookyrosev6467 4 жыл бұрын
F**king thank you, I’m honestly pretty disillusioned to just how cynical the comments to the average TWA video is. Translation: I HATE THIS THING AND IM PRETTY SURE JP HATES IT TOO!
@chinuaalibatya7345
@chinuaalibatya7345 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly, he's not the type to do something so contentious. Plus that wasnt the point of this video to start with, if you want to hear his take on criticism the watch his video on it; and yes it is sarcastic plus it doesn't "throw shade" on storytellers like everyone just assumed 🤦‍♂️
@TheEtherny
@TheEtherny 4 жыл бұрын
It's funny how everyone sees how he was criticizing D&D but failed to see how he was criticizing them as an audience as well
@fightingmedialounge519
@fightingmedialounge519 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, there jp clearly is hoisting a particular bad franchise as an example of what not to do in his videos.
@frostreaper1607
@frostreaper1607 4 жыл бұрын
I’m glad some people can still see it. The worse thing is that this shit is selling.
@kimifw58
@kimifw58 4 жыл бұрын
If the protagonist is single, the story has to end with him hooking up with the lead female. It's the only possible way for there to be a happy ending. Saving the world is meaningless if you don't get the girl.
@WolfyAteUrSocks
@WolfyAteUrSocks 4 жыл бұрын
Unless you're Robin Hobb D: Save the world, lose the girl
@Piminy
@Piminy 4 жыл бұрын
@@WolfyAteUrSocks Save the cheerleader, save the world*
@theamvgirlx
@theamvgirlx 4 жыл бұрын
My story ends with him only just getting with her then she dies...... :/ I’m one asshole of a writer lmao
@Netherwolf6100
@Netherwolf6100 4 жыл бұрын
@@theamvgirlx Prince of Persia did it
@thewanderer4509
@thewanderer4509 4 жыл бұрын
Gurren Lagan subverts that ending concept
@pg3384
@pg3384 4 жыл бұрын
The BEST ending possible: It turns out that the evil Dark Lord, the ones the heros of the story just stopped and planned on both destroying and conquering the world at the same time, was actually a minion of an even darker and lordier Dark Lord! It leaves room for a greater sequel on an even larger scale! Aka more $$$
@TheMamaluigi300
@TheMamaluigi300 4 жыл бұрын
Or even better, kill the dark lord in the first installment, then bring him back last minute during every sequel, because surprise, the new big bad was secretly working for him! Then rinse and repeat, and introduce a new big bad that still works for the original dark lord
@DustyMusician
@DustyMusician 4 жыл бұрын
It’s ok you can say the mcu
@Fluffkitscripts
@Fluffkitscripts 4 жыл бұрын
“Could I have foreshadowed this by making the main villain’s plan have holes in it that subtly suggest the presence of a more important player? Should I construct this character as an explicitly uncreative type that probably couldn’t plan their way out of a paper bag (kinda like me!)?
@lionart5230
@lionart5230 3 жыл бұрын
so ... World of Warcraft?
@couchpotato4928
@couchpotato4928 3 жыл бұрын
Actually the dark lord was a puppet to the mega dark lord, who was the protagonists friend, who was also his love interest, who was also the king of every country, who was also planning to kill Lord Killington, who was also him
@cwbomba13
@cwbomba13 4 жыл бұрын
"Themes are for eighth grade book reports" "Themes are for eighth grade book reports" "Themes are for eighth grade book reports" "Themes are for eighth grade book reports" "Themes are for eighth grade book reports"
@evies.1018
@evies.1018 4 жыл бұрын
BeyondWalt3 Say this 3 times in the dark while staring into a mirror, and D&D will appear in it.
@saladcaesar7716
@saladcaesar7716 4 жыл бұрын
And then, it was only jus a dream.
@arandomzoomer4837
@arandomzoomer4837 4 жыл бұрын
@@evies.1018 I keep thinking you're talking about the super awesome roleplaying game.
@evies.1018
@evies.1018 4 жыл бұрын
@@arandomzoomer4837 Plot twist: D&D are someone's awful first-attempt Dungeons and Dragons characters come to life
@arandomzoomer4837
@arandomzoomer4837 4 жыл бұрын
@@evies.1018 There you go. But seriously I spread that game like a religion I love it so much.
@skipperkippz4564
@skipperkippz4564 4 жыл бұрын
“...ends suddenly and without any explana-“ Me: “wow I thought my phone still had battery left” BAMBOOZLED AGAIN
@ShukakuTheCrazy1
@ShukakuTheCrazy1 4 жыл бұрын
Me: damn did my phone overheat and shut off again?
@downix
@downix 4 жыл бұрын
... is my phone buffering?
@strategicperson95
@strategicperson95 4 жыл бұрын
Is an ad popping up, and why is it taking so long?
@akl2k7
@akl2k7 4 жыл бұрын
Did my laptop disconnect from the internet at my work again? No? Good.
@KiraSlith
@KiraSlith 4 жыл бұрын
"But I just plugged it in! It was still at 20 perc- oh."
@chronenojysk5107
@chronenojysk5107 4 жыл бұрын
Endings that should be avoided: >"It was all a dream" >Characters going back in time, change the cause and the event almost like "it never happened" >Everyone dies. >Running off to the sunset while problems are yet still unsolved and not concluded.
@artman40
@artman40 4 жыл бұрын
Another disappointing time travel ending: 1. By time travel, you caused the thing you were trying to prevent from happening in the first place.
@chronenojysk5107
@chronenojysk5107 4 жыл бұрын
@@artman40 Life is Strange in a Nutshell. Go back in time and let Chloe die and all of the problems are solved within a day. Fuck that ending, I choosed let the tornado destroy Arcadia Bay.
@MegaGlassguy
@MegaGlassguy 4 жыл бұрын
@@artman40 Yet another disappointing ending with time travel: after an entire story of wish-fulfillment where the character always gets everything he ever wants with no effort, he goes back in time and creates all the circumstances that made him so great and successful in the first place (which will also take no effort since he already has everything he needs to make it work, because logic).
@artman40
@artman40 4 жыл бұрын
@@MegaGlassguy That's why I prefer alternate timeline-type of time travel.
@slonsk_1865
@slonsk_1865 4 жыл бұрын
@leviticus_ I've got question guys. How about ending, that goes like this: MC was bad person for whole series, narcissistic way. Climax is when he sees his mistakes and is grossed out by his actions. But he didn't change after discovering he's piece of trash instead he just directs his agression at himself, when he always blamed everyone else and now is blaming himself. It's still no good- he still isn't cured. And has very honest conversation with the most important person for him. That person tells him that he need to change and stop punishing himself cuz it's way to nowhere. Whole ending is gives hope but there's no continuation. Is it good ending???
@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63
@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63 4 жыл бұрын
"What the hell, this clearly contradicts everything you ever..." "If you were a real fan, you would be aware of an interview the author did five years ago in alaska where he clearly stated this was the case. Also, in the seventh edition of the comic spin-off series, we see several events foreshadowing this exact twist, so don't even try."
@malachiowens3423
@malachiowens3423 4 жыл бұрын
RWBY in a nutshell
@Dragon-bl9uv
@Dragon-bl9uv 4 жыл бұрын
@@malachiowens3423 couldnt agree more
@nonsmarts660
@nonsmarts660 3 жыл бұрын
@@malachiowens3423 wut
@landlockedcroat1554
@landlockedcroat1554 3 жыл бұрын
lol
@HE13272326
@HE13272326 3 жыл бұрын
*Didn't you read that specific twitter post of the autor from 9 years ago?*
@thevoidlookspretty7079
@thevoidlookspretty7079 4 жыл бұрын
I *felt* him glaring at the Game of Thrones writers.
@MrMansionIV
@MrMansionIV 4 жыл бұрын
Same. This video was written for them :D
@Silburific
@Silburific 4 жыл бұрын
@Eric da' MAJ Well, D&D kinda forgot that they had mastered the art of ending stories.
@nicholsjoshua15
@nicholsjoshua15 4 жыл бұрын
He's also crying while looking at Kathleen Kennedy; JJ Abrams; and Rian Johnson...
@emblemblade9245
@emblemblade9245 4 жыл бұрын
I dunno, I don’t think the ending of TLJ is where most people’s complaints lie
@brianaguilar8283
@brianaguilar8283 4 жыл бұрын
EmblemBlade9 the ending is the least of that shit movie’s problems
@sambutler953
@sambutler953 4 жыл бұрын
I heard this advice once and I have used it in my writing ever since. "Decide your starting point, then decide your endpoint. Your middle is where the fun stuff happens."
@jiffylou98
@jiffylou98 4 жыл бұрын
it's like your fingers
@desuordie4856
@desuordie4856 4 жыл бұрын
That was the start of a book actually. The otterbury incident or something
@Laff700
@Laff700 4 жыл бұрын
That's how you get clusterfucks like the ending of Star vs. the forces of evil though.
@wariodude128
@wariodude128 4 жыл бұрын
That's me all the way. The story I've been writing, called Let Me Help: An Alien Femdom Love Story, had a clear beginning and I know where it's going to end. The hard part is getting to the ending while making sure the middle part makes sense, plus throwing in some plot twists for good measure. What I have so far is on DeviantArt if you want to give it a read.
@Catathyst
@Catathyst 4 жыл бұрын
That's what I do Figure out the beginning, the end, and all the main plot points before the rest
@LePLusCoolDesCools
@LePLusCoolDesCools 4 жыл бұрын
"Hey, how do you write endings?" "Uh, just eat glue and write what you see" "I don't see anything" "That's fine"
@chimp4225
@chimp4225 3 жыл бұрын
That’s crazy I was watching that video earlier
@J0hnB09
@J0hnB09 3 жыл бұрын
Which video?
@strawberrys0da714
@strawberrys0da714 3 жыл бұрын
@@J0hnB09 JelloApocalypse's "So this is basically Adventure Time".
@canaisyoung3601
@canaisyoung3601 3 жыл бұрын
Ew, you don't eat glue. You sniff it.
@canaisyoung3601
@canaisyoung3601 2 жыл бұрын
Don't you mean "sniff glue"?
@lunatic0verlord10
@lunatic0verlord10 4 жыл бұрын
5:43 This reminds me of something : Writer : So, are your expectations subverted, yet? Reader : Yes. I was expecting a good story!
@ShibuNub3305
@ShibuNub3305 3 жыл бұрын
*Rian Weasley wants to know your location.*
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 Жыл бұрын
@@ShibuNub3305 His idea of a good story is more wrong than... Wrong Weasley
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant Жыл бұрын
@@williamdrum9899 ...FACEPLANTING a story before finish is such an Extreme Symptom of our IP-filled Capitalist-Hell. I cnat believe it happened so hard it retroactively hurt everything that came before for Bleach, HIMYM, 7DS, definetly for Cube-World and arguably for Minecraft.
@Cappuccino_Rabbit
@Cappuccino_Rabbit 5 ай бұрын
Reminds me a lot of fnaf lol
@poweroffriendship2.0
@poweroffriendship2.0 4 жыл бұрын
_"If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."_ *~ Orson Welles*
@Aredein
@Aredein 4 жыл бұрын
does it imply it's either always actually a sad ending? Then what's the point of story, if it's implied it'll go sad really.
@theprince3326
@theprince3326 4 жыл бұрын
Shoter Aredein it also implies that a story could end sadly even though it gets better. It depends upon the narrative and how you end it, so neither are really the correct way to interpretation them
@Yohannai
@Yohannai 4 жыл бұрын
@Tiamat Michelle Hart Or a sad-ish ending when the characters eventually die of old age/sickness/murder/etc. or destroyed emotionally and mentally after becoming immortal and living too long. Life ends eventually after all.... so the story of one's life end eventually. Unless the story drags on about how they influenced the world after they died and stuff of course
@BonaparteBardithion
@BonaparteBardithion 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of that running gag in Rango where they keep foreshadowing his eventual death and then... ...he dies at a super old age, long after the main adventure, from falling down the stairs or something.
@Klarpimier
@Klarpimier 4 жыл бұрын
"mwaAAAAAHHHHH theeee frenshhhhampagne hasalwaysbeencelebratedforitsexcellence" - Also Orson Welles
@Alias_Anybody
@Alias_Anybody 4 жыл бұрын
Do writers really struggle with their endings? I'm more a "I know where everyone's coming from and I know how it ends, but how do I fill the in-between?" kind of guy.
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 4 жыл бұрын
Oh, absolutely. Remember how J P brought up the pantsers who never plan anything? Or think of every person who has been writing a manga for years and years. It definitely happens.
@Newfiecat
@Newfiecat 4 жыл бұрын
My problem is the opposite: I have binders full of story details, the ending and the character arcs all figured out already... But where do I BEGIN the story???
@Alias_Anybody
@Alias_Anybody 4 жыл бұрын
@@Newfiecat Pick a time or location thematically related to your ending (the trope is literally called book ends). Like for example if your book ends in a prison break and is about figuring out how to escape start with some fitting incident at the main gate, the thing seperating the characters from freedom.
@juniperrodley9843
@juniperrodley9843 4 жыл бұрын
As am I.
@Netherwolf6100
@Netherwolf6100 4 жыл бұрын
It depends. I've personally written about 4 different stories, however the longest running story I have currently, I'm still struggling with the ending. Don't want a hopeful, uplifting one but the ones I've come up with have often left those who know about it feel worse... I want something that leaves someone feeling "Complete" after reading it but coming up with a solid complete ending to a story that has spanned and evolved over a decade is.... difficult...
@A_Calm_Dragon
@A_Calm_Dragon 4 жыл бұрын
“The best ending is one that ends suddenly and without any explana-" ***SCREAMS***
@KaaneDragonShinobi
@KaaneDragonShinobi 4 жыл бұрын
Breh that's not very calm of you tho
@A_Calm_Dragon
@A_Calm_Dragon 4 жыл бұрын
@@KaaneDragonShinobi It's a rare moment, enjoy it
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 3 жыл бұрын
It was never mentioned aliens. Aliens saved everyone, no explaination needed. On a serious note , in a dark medium that can be meta, might be a good ending, its a good ending for review the series with andy daily, becaue its about his down spiral and it ends meta dark. Good series.
@Link-ho8yq
@Link-ho8yq Жыл бұрын
Inb4 a lot of webcomics.
@rdablock
@rdablock 10 ай бұрын
Twin Peaks
@GippyHappy
@GippyHappy 4 жыл бұрын
I just want to take a moment to point out that most modern kids movies end with a dance party and once you notice that it will drive you mad because it _always happens_
@ShibuNub3305
@ShibuNub3305 3 жыл бұрын
Ever since sherk, it’s always been there, and I thought that shark tale killed it, but then....that gas car. *That damn mad gas car.*
@GippyHappy
@GippyHappy 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShibuNub3305 I spent 4 hours trying to figure out what "Sherk" was now I'm on "gas car"
@canaisyoung3601
@canaisyoung3601 3 жыл бұрын
Really? I thought they stopped.
@milicadiy
@milicadiy 3 жыл бұрын
@@GippyHappy Mad at gas car Madagascar Hope I helped.
@santivsj
@santivsj 3 жыл бұрын
@@milicadiy I pissed myself reading this haha
@iainhansen1047
@iainhansen1047 4 жыл бұрын
George RR Martin also can’t figure out how to end his story. So DnD watched this video and wrote one for him.
@tomkerruish2982
@tomkerruish2982 4 жыл бұрын
babylonbee.com/news/the-lengths-people-go-to-in-order-to-avoid-spoilers-this-guy-refused-to-finish-writing-the-books-his-favorite-tv-show-was-based-on-so-he-could-be-surprised
@mariokarter13
@mariokarter13 4 жыл бұрын
I'm starting to think he saw the iceberg coming and decided to just hunker down and wait until everyone forgot the tv show existed.
@icecreamhero2375
@icecreamhero2375 4 жыл бұрын
Endings are the easiest thing in the world I don't get why anyone would struggle with them. This happened because this happened. Its like knocking over dominos. I didn't do may taxes because I wanted to watch tv and they were hard. I didn't hier an accounant because I am broke because of that I am rotting in jail the end.
@warrioroflight6872
@warrioroflight6872 4 жыл бұрын
@@mariokarter13 Martin will be dead by the time everyone forgets that abomination.
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 4 жыл бұрын
And thus Martin is as responsible for the final season of GOT's failure as D&D. Not only did he not know how to end the story, he kept getting distracted by every single side character he created, which added to the mess.
@Garrison_the_Barbarian
@Garrison_the_Barbarian 4 жыл бұрын
"You just have to cross the finish line. You don't have to do cartwheels or somersaults, just don't face-plant." Well said, JP! I love it!
@AliceSpeltRight
@AliceSpeltRight 4 жыл бұрын
This is actually really good advice
@Roxy-nj5qu
@Roxy-nj5qu 4 жыл бұрын
How to end a story: The protagonist married someone and had kids THE END.
@novameowww
@novameowww 3 жыл бұрын
What if they're asexual and aromantic
@h-man1371
@h-man1371 3 жыл бұрын
@@novameowww But then how will there be a love triangle?
@novameowww
@novameowww 3 жыл бұрын
@@h-man1371 You're right. Completely forgot about that
@allhailbabychuuya9213
@allhailbabychuuya9213 3 жыл бұрын
But my protagonist is only twelve... How? Just how?
@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214
@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 3 жыл бұрын
@@allhailbabychuuya9213 make a Epilogue were the Character is Older
@RequiemPoete
@RequiemPoete 3 жыл бұрын
It was actually nice to hear JP say: "Nope. No clever sarcasm this time. You have to actually hear this straight and honest." And give genuine advice instead of his normal advice.
2 жыл бұрын
Kind of like 'Honest Thoughts'?
@Link-ho8yq
@Link-ho8yq Жыл бұрын
Yeah but I think it would have looked even better if at the same time the usual avatar were replaced by another, like the Inner Critic.
@harrydavid6070
@harrydavid6070 4 жыл бұрын
"The best ending is one that ends suddenly without any ex-" *darkness* I reloaded the page twice before realising it was intentional
@lydias376
@lydias376 4 жыл бұрын
Me too! I was so confused! And than I realized how stupid I was being
@skipperkippz4564
@skipperkippz4564 4 жыл бұрын
I thought my phone died lol
@shady4546
@shady4546 4 жыл бұрын
Bro, Same, I thought it was an ad at first
@justinthompson6364
@justinthompson6364 4 жыл бұрын
I thought it was an ad for 3 seconds before I grinned and checked the progress bar.
@SabinStargem
@SabinStargem 4 жыл бұрын
Considering how often my internet cuts off, it was entirely plausible for me to believe.
@doibantikov2486
@doibantikov2486 4 жыл бұрын
The ending to my story is quite literally “the good guys win and the bad guys lose.” Obviously there’s more to it than that. But the loose ends have been tied up beforehand, all that was left was the final battle and the culmination of the MC’s character development. Nothing more, nothing less. And also fuck anybody who tells you happy endings are cliche or cheating or boring. Mate I have the fluffiest most saccharine ending you don’t even know. My chars have been through hell and back, all other obstacles have been cleared, all that was needed was the big bad dying. Now they can go and live normal happy lives with their families and loved ones knowing they earned that shit. Your audience will appreciate a happy ending if your characters deserve it.
@Newfiecat
@Newfiecat 4 жыл бұрын
Agree %100
@legrandliseurtri7495
@legrandliseurtri7495 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know, I like bad endings. Perhaps a little to much:originally, I was gonna end my story with both mc dying just for the sake of it. Then I relalized it was kind of contradicting the hopeful tone in the rest of the book lol.
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 4 жыл бұрын
@@legrandliseurtri7495 Such an ending NEEDS to make sense. Best example of your preferred type I know about is Michael Moorcock's first Eternal Champion novel. It starts as your Chosen One narrative and then twists everything into tragedy.
@MegaGlassguy
@MegaGlassguy 4 жыл бұрын
''Your audience will appreciate a happy ending if your characters deserve it.'' Nailed it. And that's what makes the difference between good and bad ''happy endings'' for me. If the story was just the MC winning over and over again with no struggle and then gets his happy ending, then it's boring as heck (though to be fair, the same can be said of the story as a whole at that point). If they fought and lost and struggled back up and so on, you bet I want to see them succeed. I do like the middle-ground of bittersweets ending myself if the setting of the story simply doesn't allow for a happy ending for everyone (basically any story following multiple characters in different factions that are neither good nor evil), but that doesn't mean I don't want them to try and reach their happy ending after all they have to go through.
@LovesTwilightSaga1
@LovesTwilightSaga1 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed! If the characters have been through everything under the sun and then end in tragedy it usually feels cheap to me(there are exceptions to this rule tho). Don't underestimate a happy ending!
@luno9821
@luno9821 4 жыл бұрын
There's two things in this world that will always piss off people. The first is not completing your sentence. The second is
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 4 жыл бұрын
...talking about completing your story without actually doing it.
@dodojesus4529
@dodojesus4529 4 жыл бұрын
Jacking of into the ballpit
@ShibuNub3305
@ShibuNub3305 3 жыл бұрын
Hiding a landmine under a whoopy cushion
@nonsmarts660
@nonsmarts660 3 жыл бұрын
@@dodojesus4529 *off
@duckduckinator3185
@duckduckinator3185 3 жыл бұрын
This is like cards against humanity
@NuclearSavety
@NuclearSavety 4 жыл бұрын
You forget to justify your botched ending as "subversing expectations" ... and atttack disillusioned fans in social media ....
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 4 жыл бұрын
About 70 years ago, a similar thing happened with the world's first miniseries, Patrick Mcgoohan's The Prisoner. In terms of genre weirdness, only Twin Peaks and Legion have ever matched that one. Mcgoohan didn't know how to end his story until he actually sat down to write it. And when the finale aired, people got so pissed that he spent a couple of weeks in the mountains. But...he was DELIGHTED by the response. He never attacked anyone over it, just calmly explained how he got there. D&D could have learned from that.
@emiledlund9559
@emiledlund9559 4 жыл бұрын
Anybody can subvert expectations. Only good writers can Subvert expectations in a good way
@andrewgwilliam4831
@andrewgwilliam4831 4 жыл бұрын
The "best" cliffhanger ending has to be that 1980s episode of "Doctor Who" where the Doctor randomly starts clambering down a cliff face, and is left hanging as the credits roll. If I remember correctly, the following episode he simply clamberd back up to the top of the cliff, and then got on with the story!
@helenarosno
@helenarosno 4 жыл бұрын
“What was that about corruption? Sorry, I was too busy taking a bribe.” Best line in all cinema
@DinsRune
@DinsRune 2 жыл бұрын
"If it's just 'the good guys win and the bad guys lose', that's fine." THANK YOU.
@kyubeyo
@kyubeyo 5 ай бұрын
Fr
@kadebrockhausen
@kadebrockhausen 4 жыл бұрын
"a writer should only consider this a success if they send the audience directly to the wiki, EVANGELION."
@joeleek9976
@joeleek9976 4 жыл бұрын
I was sleep deprived when I saw the end of evangelion. The ending makes perfect sense to very tired people.
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I hate it.
@tach5884
@tach5884 4 жыл бұрын
I used to think I was missing out on that show until I heard people talk about it.
@highcouncil1302
@highcouncil1302 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair the shows Lore is intentionally ignored the characters are plot devices to convey the themes of the show
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 4 жыл бұрын
I have a simple rule: if you couldn't explain your story within the actual story or make the story strong enough to where no explanation is required, you have failed.
@KidRunnerH
@KidRunnerH 4 жыл бұрын
I love this series. But actually betraying my expectations and giving us actual advice with the scathing sarcasm intact was both enjoyable and entertaini... D’OH NO IM DEAD! The story switched tone and genres and you should feel bad! Cuz it was GRIMDARK all along! To Be Continued?
@grandphenocianphoenix1796
@grandphenocianphoenix1796 4 жыл бұрын
Fan theory: KidRunnerH is actually alive and was pulling the strings the entire time because they are the real villain.
@ahniandfriends123
@ahniandfriends123 4 жыл бұрын
And then the story really ended with- YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE EXPECTING THE REAL ENDING, BUT IT WAS I, DIO!
@KidRunnerH
@KidRunnerH 4 жыл бұрын
HA! All according to plan. The sequel hath been hooked.. my unwoven greatly exaggerated death has put me back in the shadows. 😈 Now I inch ever closer to not only this video’s sponsor Skillshare but Audible.com as well. Then set everything on fire! Because GRIMDARK? I totally didn’t not plan to make a sequel veering the story into a maelstrom of referendum trying to meet Pheonix commenter’s expectations!
@nomblob5592
@nomblob5592 4 жыл бұрын
Phoenix48484757 Nah, the black abrupt end was caused by you as a cliffhanger sequel hook. KidRunner was just a red herring. You cant fool me twice
@phantomphool
@phantomphool 4 жыл бұрын
I could do vividly imagine this guy's voice reading this
@nerdprjncessshortsandstrea7843
@nerdprjncessshortsandstrea7843 4 жыл бұрын
I've always thought that revealing a twist at the end of a story is the worst time, because it gives the book absolutely zero time to deal with the consequences of what the twist means for the world and its characters. If the twist is revealed in the middle, it allows the twist to be interacted with and lead to a satisfying conclusion, rather than just dropping the audience into a "How Does That Change What I Just Read" mentality
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 3 жыл бұрын
It can work if it has some finale for the characters and really good forshadowing that recontextualizes the story, making it rereadable. And is meant to end open. Otherwise, agree.especially in series finals that are might not renewed.
@rosesapling72
@rosesapling72 3 жыл бұрын
basically, it forces the reader to recontextualize everything they just read by themselves and encourages them to nitpick/reread into earlier chapters rather than growing and developing with this revelation alongside the characters
@omniscientcammaleon9477
@omniscientcammaleon9477 3 жыл бұрын
It has pros and cons, it gives you time to play with the new perspective, but it doesn't linger nearly as much in the readers minds.
@creativedesignation7880
@creativedesignation7880 2 жыл бұрын
I think it depends on the twist. If the twist concerns some important part of the story, but not the main plot or premise, it is often more interesting to have the characters deal with it. A twist that reveals that the central premise or the main plot where actually something else can often fits better at the very end. The reason being not that it would not be interesting, but rather that a central twist would often realistically throw most of the characters into a crisis and have them reevaluate their motivations and goals, or even disrupt all character connections. That can of course be very interesting, however it has the potential to change the tone of the story aswell as all character relations to the point where it's basically a new story with new characters in a new genre.
@MB-lz5eb
@MB-lz5eb 2 жыл бұрын
Where would you say these twists should go (side note: how many twists is too many for one story?)? 1) Main character's give-advice-from-HQ teammates are in his/her head, not in some secret physical location (known to this character/group, but not to the reader or other characters). 2) A side character's "twin who's never in the same place at the same time" is really a multiple personality, and inspires the main character to be open about his/her teammates' existence. 3) What looks like serial murders are actually serial funerals set up by an unlicensed doctor who keeps accidentally killing his patients.
@bificommander7472
@bificommander7472 4 жыл бұрын
The best sign is when fan theories spread that whatever ending you wrote was really all just a dream, even though you never planned that, because the fans find that a less disappointing possibility . Oh, hi, Mass Effect 3.
@josiahmartin329
@josiahmartin329 4 жыл бұрын
I cri everytime.
@ShibuNub3305
@ShibuNub3305 3 жыл бұрын
*DAMNIT BIOWARE*
@Liaison_Verequiem
@Liaison_Verequiem 2 жыл бұрын
Attack on titan
@Cappuccino_Rabbit
@Cappuccino_Rabbit 5 ай бұрын
Don't forget the part where they consider a comedic side content (dlc) the true ending, even if said content has no proper placement to the main story
@Kangaroo-Bob
@Kangaroo-Bob 4 жыл бұрын
I think the key is to write an entire story forshadowing that the butler did it and at the last minute reveal that it was a completely different character the entire time. That subversion of expectations will surely satisfy the reader. (I'm looking at you Game of Thrones)
@emblemblade9245
@emblemblade9245 4 жыл бұрын
Bobby Gane But what if the theme of the story is to end prejudice against suspicious looking butlers?
@icecreamhero2375
@icecreamhero2375 4 жыл бұрын
No that is completely stupid mysteries can be subtle and you can have a red herring but can't come out of left feild.
@joeleek9976
@joeleek9976 4 жыл бұрын
First Saw movie.
@greenstuff9361
@greenstuff9361 4 жыл бұрын
Can my red herring come from the lake or the pond?
@icecreamhero2375
@icecreamhero2375 4 жыл бұрын
@@greenstuff9361 Not unless its the left pond badum tisssssssssssssss
@Ewaszczypior1
@Ewaszczypior1 4 жыл бұрын
The dream ending... *Shudders after reading 10 books of Vampire Diaries where it ends with "they went back in time and nothing actually happened"*
@koramagna
@koramagna 4 жыл бұрын
Wait, really?!
@malachiowens3423
@malachiowens3423 4 жыл бұрын
That’s somehow better and even worse than the TV show ending
@theamvgirlx
@theamvgirlx 4 жыл бұрын
This is one series where I actually prefer the show ending
@rompevuevitos222
@rompevuevitos222 3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Steins;Gate, the whole series is about a guy suffering like hell to save everyone and turns out that the only solution is to literally undo everything he did, it doesn't just go "and none of that happened" but it even goes into detail on how he undos every single thing he did trough the show It's like the thing is rubbing it in your face, but it stills pulls out some bs so the main character gets the girl at the end (because she somehow remembers a sliver of what happened in the ereased time lines for some bs, unexplained reason), i really regret wasting my time with it And the whole show is a "asexual guy builds a harem of girls" trope too, if the ending wasn't bad enough
@Cogu985
@Cogu985 3 жыл бұрын
@@rompevuevitos222 Have to disagree on the "because she somehow remembers a sliver of what happened in the ereased time lines for some bs, unexplained reason". It's literally explained why that happens in Faris's chapter.
@onelovelylilidiot4959
@onelovelylilidiot4959 4 жыл бұрын
The best ending is when a surprise villain turns up half way in the last third with no foreshadowing or previous mentions whatsoever to deliver a last minute climax. No one could possibly expect it and therefore is the best kind of twist, because a twist shouldn’t be a journey for the reader to figure out alongside the characters, it should just be so unpredictable that no one could possibly imagine it
@sayoriiiiiiiiiiiiii
@sayoriiiiiiiiiiiiii 4 жыл бұрын
NAME YOUR TWIST VILLAIN Wreck It Ralph: King Candy. Incredibles 2: Evelyn Deavor. heh...heh... Zootopia: Dawn Bellwether. heh...heh.... Frozen: Hans Wester- NO I find a problem with 3 of 4 villains
@thrallfan1056
@thrallfan1056 3 жыл бұрын
Bonus points if the twist villain's personality completely changes after the reveal even when in the presence of others who don't know he's a villain.
@josejimtharayil1511
@josejimtharayil1511 3 жыл бұрын
Schafrillas liked this comment. Disney disliked it T H A T W A S H I S M I S T A K E!!!!
@isauldron4337
@isauldron4337 3 жыл бұрын
@@sayoriiiiiiiiiiiiii well king candy was pretty Sinister already He was just more rotten than he appeared at first glance
@SorowFame
@SorowFame 3 жыл бұрын
@@isauldron4337 they did say 3 of 4 villains, maybe that’s what they meant?
@vidblogger12
@vidblogger12 4 жыл бұрын
“Just watch out that the character doesn’t learn anything from the dream and experience actual character growth.” *A Christmas Carol has left the chat*
@cosmicspacething3474
@cosmicspacething3474 3 жыл бұрын
Good thing they actually did learn something
@rockhistoria2537
@rockhistoria2537 2 жыл бұрын
The only time that shit ever worked
@konstantinmilyutin1190
@konstantinmilyutin1190 4 жыл бұрын
"The epilogue is the best place to solve love triangles!" Yeah, just like in the "War and Peace"
@dorkyface
@dorkyface 4 жыл бұрын
Alexios Comnenoi Or Harry Potter ;)
@alexworld257
@alexworld257 4 жыл бұрын
Or 99% of Shonen manga
@xblade149
@xblade149 4 жыл бұрын
@@dorkyface harry potter executed that perfectly so its really not bad. I'll give that a pass
@elizabethsullivan1894
@elizabethsullivan1894 4 жыл бұрын
Most authors resist the urge to add a dozen chapters on their pet history theory that has effectively nothing to do with the plot while they're at it though.
@xblade149
@xblade149 4 жыл бұрын
@@alexworld257 well the only shonen manga that dont have that are Ushio to Tora, JoJo, Gintama, Soul Eater, and Fullmetal Alchemist
@quantummelody2959
@quantummelody2959 4 жыл бұрын
Oh yes. I hate it when everything was just a dream.
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 4 жыл бұрын
Or when everything gets reversed by time travel to where something never happened. The original Infinity Gauntlet storyline in comics wrapped up its crisis that way, easily the weakest part of the story. All credit to Markus & Mcfeely and the Russo brothers for sidestepping that with their own version in Endgame.
@jeanyeap4229
@jeanyeap4229 3 жыл бұрын
Fancy seeing you here
@quantummelody2959
@quantummelody2959 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeanyeap4229 hello there
@jeanyeap4229
@jeanyeap4229 3 жыл бұрын
@@quantummelody2959 :-)
@axylorionfredrick
@axylorionfredrick 3 жыл бұрын
@@violetrain4638 Well, Super Mario Bros 2. took place in a world called Subcon, so it was justified.
@pRahvi0
@pRahvi0 4 жыл бұрын
"Why have style over substance when you can use style to _fake_ substance." Now that's the kind of advice I came to hear.
@Laiser
@Laiser 4 жыл бұрын
Out of all the fiction I've experienced, I think the best ending is Fullmetal Alchemist : Brotherhood. The ending was quite literally the perfect way to finish a 64 episode journey of stakes and sacrifices. Code Geass and Avatar are a close second
@aster-naut
@aster-naut 4 жыл бұрын
Laiser I really liked Avatar's ending; despite it being predictable, it was satisfying (something GoT writers could learn from), but it did have some problems, namely the whole mess that was Katara and Aang (I never felt that Katara would be on board with that, she acts like Aang's mother or older sister and the character opportunities for Aang that would come from this rejection would be much more interesting than a half hearted relationship ending) and Iroh abandoning Zuko to become firelord at 16 for nothing more than a tea shop, but I do think it could have done with a sequel; the originally planned season 4. I feel like having at least a passing reference to the fact that they need to rebuild and that this is only the first step would help the ending. I'll explain what was going to happen in season 4 and why I think this would be a great addition if you want, just ask. I also loved the ending to Code Geass; despite the messy parts of the 2nd season (the whole 'the emperor was good-ish all along' bit mainly), it did an amazing job of bringing the story to a satisfying, if tragic ending. FMAB was amazing, my one criticism was that the whole 'Mustang wants to be the Führer' arc was never really completed. A single sentence saying that he was putting aside his aims for now to help the Ishvalans and a photo in the end credits of him as Führer would make that ending perfect.
@seneca983
@seneca983 4 жыл бұрын
@@aster-naut: IIRC Mustang doesn't become the Führer, at least not right away, due to being blind. Instead, Grumman assumes the position.
@isauldron4337
@isauldron4337 3 жыл бұрын
The fma 2003 series ending was a mess A rushed weak conclusion
@Laiser
@Laiser 3 жыл бұрын
@@isauldron4337 Yeah, hende why I specifically referred to FMAB
@somerandomguy-3102
@somerandomguy-3102 Жыл бұрын
if you want good stories from the weirdest things imaginable, play pokémon mystery dungeon explorers of sky; for some reason they made this game have an actually insanely good story (most importantly ending) despite the fact that 1) it's a children's game (it isn't as stupid as normal for a children's game tho) 2) it's a pokémon game (they have overly simple stories)
@markpeters8756
@markpeters8756 4 жыл бұрын
2:39 “It’s Cliffhanger, hanging from a cliiiiiiiff!” “Can’t... hold... on... much... longer! “And that’s why he’s called Cliffhanger!”
@2timothy17girl
@2timothy17girl 4 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw this I heard the song in my head! Between the Lions was my fix as a kid!
@Silburific
@Silburific 4 жыл бұрын
Someone else who heard that too!!
@ItsAGorillaStudios
@ItsAGorillaStudios 4 жыл бұрын
Beat me to it! Curses!
@t3chkn1ght
@t3chkn1ght 4 жыл бұрын
OW, right in the CHILDHOOD!!!
@daniellewilson8527
@daniellewilson8527 4 жыл бұрын
I remember this
@charleshetrick3152
@charleshetrick3152 4 жыл бұрын
In fairness to some writers, I’ve seen “ending explained” KZfaq videos for some of the simplest movies ever.
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 4 жыл бұрын
Gah, I usually hate those videos with a burning passion. If I want my brain food chewed, I'll do it myself. A critical dissection of the overall work can provide insight but JUST the ending? Quit wasting my time, you know?
@charleshetrick3152
@charleshetrick3152 4 жыл бұрын
c oh I don’t. What concerns me is that some people do. They sat through a movie and paid so little attention evidently they need it explained. It exposes a preposterous lack of intellectual curiosity that is foreign to me.
@nomblob5592
@nomblob5592 4 жыл бұрын
charles hetrick What was that famous quote again? About a blue curtain? Those videos are exactly like that
@charleshetrick3152
@charleshetrick3152 4 жыл бұрын
Nom Blob, that’s the bit about how the author just meant to describe the color of the curtains but some rando English professor spends a semester exploring the deeper meaning. What frustrates me about that is often time said professor suggests theirs is the only best interpretation. The part about endings explained videos that horrifies me is for example I found just now a video explaining the ending of the first episode in the Love Death & Robots series from NetFlix. The whole point of those episodes is for the viewer not to have all the details and to fill them in themselves with their imagination them discuss and compare with the rest of society the differing ideas.
@charleshetrick3152
@charleshetrick3152 4 жыл бұрын
Johnathon Haney if you don’t already know the channel Good Bad Flicks, I enjoy his breakdowns of movies. He covers the whole movie, pokes a little fun and then goes into how it was made and the politics of the producers and directors and all that noise. Mostly horror flicks dude loves horror flicks.
@ponderer1315
@ponderer1315 4 жыл бұрын
As a (mostly) discovery writer/panster, I really appreciated that Honest Writing Advice segment. I've been stressing out over how to end my stories because I let the characters develop for themselves, instead of plotting it out in great detail beyond general ideas. I feel bad because I don't want to write something terrible at the end and disappoint the audience, but doing what comes naturally would probably be better than trying to show how "incredibly smart"I am. A few times in the past, me not being able to figure out what the ending was made me stop the story before I even started writing, and that sort of mentality is hard to break, but I'm getting through it. And you're right, way too many sites encourage people to have the "perfect ending" when that won't work for everyone. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks again.
@slevinchannel7589
@slevinchannel7589 2 жыл бұрын
Love Bad Writing be Roasted? Madvocate, Jay Exci and Hbomberguy do it all the time for TV-Shows. And Kriomson Rogue does it for Books.
@Vince5754Pro
@Vince5754Pro 4 жыл бұрын
"Little do they suspect that this video is sponsored by Skillshare!" *Everyone. Suspected that.*
@theprince3326
@theprince3326 4 жыл бұрын
You know, this would be helpful besides for the fact I never actually *get* to the end
@MrMansionIV
@MrMansionIV 4 жыл бұрын
Just come up with the end first and then just make the rest of the story a foreseeable device to rush there :)
@incognitoburrito6020
@incognitoburrito6020 4 жыл бұрын
Never writing an ending is actually a perfectly viable writing strategy! A series that never ends becomes a perpetual cash cow as new installments keep coming out for eternity! Just ignore the inevitable power creep and drift from the original plot and characterization that drew in fans in the first place. They'll still buy it!
@sharonefee1426
@sharonefee1426 4 жыл бұрын
I know that. I completed a long story once (and some short stories), but recently I felt like trying again, and finally... I see the light at the end of the tunnel.
@InternetHydra
@InternetHydra 4 жыл бұрын
Spoiler: You weren't actually supposed to follow the advice laid out on the other story vids.
@Rainbowthewindsage
@Rainbowthewindsage 4 жыл бұрын
I don't either, but it's because I improve and then want to redo it because I know I can do better now than I did previously, or I have too many good ideas. I think I've gotten out of that spiral, because at the very least I've stabilized the worldbuilding process.
@legateelizabeth
@legateelizabeth 4 жыл бұрын
I like that honest JP's accent is way stronger than sarcastic JP.
@melvinmerkelhopper5752
@melvinmerkelhopper5752 4 жыл бұрын
It's the little details.
@CrescentGuard
@CrescentGuard 4 жыл бұрын
"Just leave the audience hanging forever." Ah yes, the Half-Life 3 school of cliff hanger creation.
@nomobobby
@nomobobby 3 жыл бұрын
We should PS the protagonist hanging off the cliff, and make it a meme "... And that's why hes called cliff hanger ' Can't hold on... Much Longer!!!'" Seriously, Valve ain't gonna make that game guys. We've known it for years,
@letsBrn
@letsBrn 3 жыл бұрын
Lol half-life has ended on a cliffhanger for 5 FUCKING TIMES already.
@z0w0z.
@z0w0z. 8 ай бұрын
valve really hate number 3 (⁠~⁠_⁠~⁠;⁠)
@hwtvi3466
@hwtvi3466 Жыл бұрын
Ironically, Terrible Writing Advice has taught me better than most of my teachers.
@nitrocharge2404
@nitrocharge2404 4 жыл бұрын
The best ending is a setup for another cash cow- I mean sequel
@darwinxavier3516
@darwinxavier3516 4 жыл бұрын
And when the cow runs out, we're gonna beat a dead horse until it gives milk.
@epicchk4319
@epicchk4319 4 жыл бұрын
And then make some prequels and a spin off for every character
@kayseek1248
@kayseek1248 4 жыл бұрын
8:38 he was arrested for giving honest advice.
@andrasfogarasi5014
@andrasfogarasi5014 4 жыл бұрын
TWA: *talking about cliffhangers* Me: *cries in half-life fan*
@ahniandfriends123
@ahniandfriends123 4 жыл бұрын
*Screeches in Between the Lions*
@nerdherd1819
@nerdherd1819 4 жыл бұрын
Time, Mr. Fogarasi. Is it really that *time* again? ...
@ChaosRayZero
@ChaosRayZero 4 жыл бұрын
@@ahniandfriends123 **Joins in** *AND THAT'S WHY HE'S CALLED CLIFF HANGEEEER!!!~♫*
@ctcomics8293
@ctcomics8293 3 жыл бұрын
Wow,I’m so sorry...............
@heartofthesea572
@heartofthesea572 4 жыл бұрын
The best ending is when the protagonist and the antagonist are fighting for a power-up and the antagonist gets the power-up but it doesn't work so the protagonist steals the power-up and it does work and the antagonist's power doesn't work anymore and the protagonist kills the antagonist in one hit and then suddenly a flashback with no transition to before the story even started giving the feeling of the story both ending too fast and too slow at the exact same time
@cosmicredpanda2420
@cosmicredpanda2420 4 жыл бұрын
Instead of finishing my story, I decided to take a break and watch this video. Don’t worry, it’s what Terrible Writing Advice would want
@WolfyAteUrSocks
@WolfyAteUrSocks 4 жыл бұрын
Yup, and now following this advice you know all you have to do is stop the story where it's at, Surprise!
@chalos6072
@chalos6072 4 жыл бұрын
I cant wait for your next series "Honest writting advice" I would actually watch that
@michaelbuckers
@michaelbuckers 4 жыл бұрын
Honest writing advice is difficult to make, nevermind the entire "everyone writes in their own way" deal. Making terrible writing advice on the other hand is easy, you just talk shit about franchises without specifically mentioning them in ironically unironic fashion.
@thepixelatedgirl4741
@thepixelatedgirl4741 4 жыл бұрын
Honest writing advice would be more informative but would take away from the humour. I think it’s cool that he’s going to try honest writing advice
@traestoflux
@traestoflux 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, "Terrible Writing Advice" is still honest writing advice for what not to do. Knowing where the pitfalls are is already half the work for not falling in them.
@underrated1524
@underrated1524 4 жыл бұрын
You'll probably like this video then, from the same channel: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qsBjedGT37Tbo6c.html
@michaelaj5977
@michaelaj5977 4 жыл бұрын
There's too many channels that do that already
@vaporo355
@vaporo355 4 жыл бұрын
The only time that I've seen the "It was all a dream" ending work was in the movie Repo Men. I won't spoil what happens, but throughout there are little things that you would normally attribute to bad and predictable storytelling, but turn out to be hints that what is happening isn't entirely real. It ties up the story so perfectly. It's a criminally underrated film.
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 4 жыл бұрын
I remember that one and yeah, you're right. There's one sequence in particular which basically told you how it was going to end but you didn't realize it at the time.
@chinuaalibatya7345
@chinuaalibatya7345 3 жыл бұрын
Wizard of Oz?
@FireballFlareblitz734
@FireballFlareblitz734 3 жыл бұрын
A Christmas Carol is another good example
@Superkid33
@Superkid33 Жыл бұрын
“My life as a Toaster time traveler” does the ‘it all was a dream’ thing pretty good
@janisir4529
@janisir4529 2 жыл бұрын
How to end an anime: Make a "read the manga" ending.
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant Жыл бұрын
TWA aint the only Guy covering Writing-Advice-presented-with-Huor. Hello Future Me does so too, but way mre funny: Big Crticism Essays like Madvocastesa Flash-Videos, Jay Excis legendary Doctor Who Video and Hbomberguys and Krimson Rogues whole channel is about 'Epic Long Videos'.
@kirstenpaff8946
@kirstenpaff8946 4 жыл бұрын
Terrible Writing Advice: Today we are talking about how to end a story. Me (grabs popcorn): Let's see how many jabs he can make at Game of Thrones.
@Bruh-tw8uh
@Bruh-tw8uh 4 жыл бұрын
Finally I know how to resolve the love triangle. It is finally over.
@brianvu8324
@brianvu8324 4 жыл бұрын
The feuds shall run their due course. *Eventually*
@emblemblade9245
@emblemblade9245 4 жыл бұрын
Resolving the love triangle? Fool, that was merely a dream you had!
@PaladinNL5
@PaladinNL5 4 жыл бұрын
The best way to resolve the love triangle is to not solve it at all and keep it vague so the fans can have shipping wars for generations....or several days...
@nolongervisible5850
@nolongervisible5850 4 жыл бұрын
Uuuuuntil the SEQUEL!
@darwinxavier3516
@darwinxavier3516 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder. How many love triangles have been solved in fiction by just making it a polygamous/open relationship.
@biblicallyaccuratecockroach
@biblicallyaccuratecockroach 4 жыл бұрын
"All a dream" endings are right up there with time travel endings. I remember watching Prince of Persia (Sands of Time?, don't know if there are others) and I wanted to scream at that final bullshit. CONGRATULATIONS, YOU JUST RENDERED YOUR WHOLE MOVIE POINTLESS. BAD.
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 4 жыл бұрын
That's also how the first Sands of Time game ended, though I give the game sequels credit for showing an escalating blowback every time the Prince tries to "fix" the situation. He finally resolves everything when he STOPS trying to undo everything and finally live with the consequences of his choices.
@thekaticorn99
@thekaticorn99 4 жыл бұрын
Someone: it was all a dream Comic relief character: *Z A P P E R S*
@zoisite_moon2828
@zoisite_moon2828 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like he was addressing the endings to Voltron, Game of Thrones, and How I Met Your Mother all at once.
@nerothewateruser8030
@nerothewateruser8030 3 жыл бұрын
How did How I met your Mother end?
@zoisite_moon2828
@zoisite_moon2828 3 жыл бұрын
@@nerothewateruser8030 It ended with the Mother dying from an illness and Ted's kids giving him the blessing to date their "Aunt" Robin because apparently, the whole reason he told the story was to convince the kids that he should date Robin. It undermined all the character development he and Robin went through for all nine seasons.
@nerothewateruser8030
@nerothewateruser8030 3 жыл бұрын
@@zoisite_moon2828 That's... a pretty bad ending
@paulovinasrocha6166
@paulovinasrocha6166 3 жыл бұрын
@@nerothewateruser8030 its even worse than he explaines to you.
@nikoladedic6623
@nikoladedic6623 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulovinasrocha6166 At least they foreshadowed it and kept going with it. Imagine if this was last season thing only.
@ngmegamast
@ngmegamast 4 жыл бұрын
You got me at the part when you started giving good advice, I'm not gonna lie.
@isavenewspapers8890
@isavenewspapers8890 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely hilarious how, even when being dead serious, JP’s advice still essentially boils down to, “Stop trying so hard.”
@reagame8700
@reagame8700 4 жыл бұрын
I remember when I wrote the first draft of my story. While I am mostly an outliner and I had everything planned, there's a bit of discovery writing in me. There was one action scene when I was just writing when suddenly one of the bad guys comes up behind and stabs one of the characters... I stopped when that happened and realized what I had done. I never meant for them to die, they just happened to be in a setting where realistically they WOULD die. In the end I decided to keep it and move on. I have since edited the story where that makes more sense, but you get the point.
@l.tc.5032
@l.tc.5032 4 жыл бұрын
The only just a dream ending I give a pass to is Alice in Wonderland.
@canaisyoung3601
@canaisyoung3601 4 жыл бұрын
What about The Wizard of Oz? It's cut from the same cloth as Alice in Wonderland.
@catherinestickels2591
@catherinestickels2591 4 жыл бұрын
Alice in Wonderland being a dream fits thematically and makes the whole story make sense. Same with Oz. The themes in that revolve around Dorothy coming to terms with her own life. The lesson she learns carries through past the dream. That's the key to making that ending work, I think.
@micahlindley7515
@micahlindley7515 3 жыл бұрын
Silent Hill would like to know your location.
@adammichna5175
@adammichna5175 3 жыл бұрын
Alice in Wonderland is SO good...
@KingsSpaghetti
@KingsSpaghetti 4 жыл бұрын
This is how you write a good ending. Everyone Died The End
@knightofberenike9633
@knightofberenike9633 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget to clarify that rocks fell beforehand!
@blackfrost3581
@blackfrost3581 4 жыл бұрын
Homestuck
@Rainbowthewindsage
@Rainbowthewindsage 4 жыл бұрын
I know someone who wrote a short story, ending it with meteor hitting earth and killing everyone rather than answering any of the compelling questions he set up. Of course, he was intentionally trolling everyone he handed it to read.
@BlackCover95
@BlackCover95 4 жыл бұрын
So, _The Ugly Barnacle_ ?
@ChaosRayZero
@ChaosRayZero 4 жыл бұрын
@@knightofberenike9633 I was _gonna_ say, "or that the barnacle was really that ugly," but *BlackCover95* beat me to it. X^D
@little_wintry3098
@little_wintry3098 3 жыл бұрын
I've always wanted to write some epic fantasy story where a bunch of teenagers go on a grand adventure only for the main character to wake up at the end and realize it was a dream and wake up on the first day of school. Except when they arrive at class, one of the people from their dream is sitting there. And it's very obvious they recognize each other. Pretty much, the whole group had the same shared dream, only to find themselves sharing real life together and trying to figure out what happened and why. Ironically enough, I got THIS idea from a dream. Feel free to use it ;)
@tetrofita1787
@tetrofita1787 2 жыл бұрын
TWA: (gives actual advice) Millions of movie writers everywhere:…No, I don’t think I wil
@mewnani
@mewnani 4 жыл бұрын
Oh this is where Syfy got their technique for ending shows from.
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 4 жыл бұрын
And DnD
@maadtee6281
@maadtee6281 4 жыл бұрын
@Hans Hanzo what about Alpha, helix and dark matter
@louisduarte8763
@louisduarte8763 4 жыл бұрын
And here I am holding out hope for a 3rd season of KRYPTON, after where they left off of.
@Ebalosus
@Ebalosus 4 жыл бұрын
_“A simple forced predictable ending is still better than a dumb twist ending out of nowhere”_ Someone send this to Mac Walters
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 4 жыл бұрын
If you'd like a twist ending done right with decent buildup, hunt Robert E Howard's "Worms Of The Earth".
@Ebalosus
@Ebalosus 4 жыл бұрын
Hans Hanzo not if it’s in service of a shitty story (a la Mass Effect 2).
@darwinxavier3516
@darwinxavier3516 4 жыл бұрын
There's also the fact that some stories are only going to be predictable to some people because they're smart enough to figure it out. Usually because they've experienced so much fiction that they can see the patterns. I was able to predict a lot of the stuff in Good Omens. But it was still a satisfying journey getting there.
@CCLOSPINA
@CCLOSPINA 4 жыл бұрын
And Shaylaman.
@suf1an658
@suf1an658 4 жыл бұрын
Send it to kishimoto as well. How do you manage to make two great villains to end the series on and then think it’s a good idea to pull out an alien queen out of your ass
@Melancholy_Scholar
@Melancholy_Scholar 4 жыл бұрын
Eragon's "epilogue" lasts half of the final book. It was infuriating.
@legrandliseurtri7495
@legrandliseurtri7495 4 жыл бұрын
Freaking Eragon
@BLZ231
@BLZ231 Жыл бұрын
Honestly that last book was a mess, and the biggest problem is that he clearly wrote himself into a corner. When he revealed the source of Galbatorix’s strength in the third book, it revealed just how dangerous he was, and how difficult taking him down would be. I thought there would be some sort of elegant and brilliant solution that would allow the heroes to outwit him, but instead it became painfully obvious that he had no idea how to get around this problem, and so instead resorted to multiple Deus Ex Machinas that opened up so many plot holes. The heroes won purely because of authorial bias, plain and simple.
@berengustav7714
@berengustav7714 13 күн бұрын
Better a lot of time Taking to wrap a big conflict than just fi
@berengustav7714
@berengustav7714 13 күн бұрын
Better to take a lot of time to wrap things up and fix problems that won't go away because Galbatorix is dead,instead of just ending.
@PowdergameFan18
@PowdergameFan18 4 жыл бұрын
You didnt touch on the Babylon 5 Special: the show is cancelled prematurely and in the middle of serious rising conflict, so the writers are forced to make a dinner scene where all of the characters get together and say "wow, wasnt x scary? Im glad y had a happy ending. Im sure z would love to be here"
@tacoblm9570
@tacoblm9570 4 жыл бұрын
6:54 This is actually really wholesome and sooo true.
@CombatSportsNerd
@CombatSportsNerd 4 жыл бұрын
RIGHT?! That took a serious load off
@ichigoapanchal9935
@ichigoapanchal9935 4 жыл бұрын
lol it's a good thing to find a fallow weeblet
@christophergarcia9022
@christophergarcia9022 4 жыл бұрын
"You just have to cross the finish line" really hit me
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 4 жыл бұрын
@@christophergarcia9022 It's something few people who start stories do, trust me. Mostly, they just talk about it.
@HongFeiBai
@HongFeiBai 4 жыл бұрын
Only one ship can sail with 100,000 captains. The Death Star.
@stevepensando2593
@stevepensando2593 3 жыл бұрын
The biggest polyamorous ship of all time
@Liggliluff
@Liggliluff 3 жыл бұрын
I love endings that are abrupt; who actually has the time to
@verytired2399
@verytired2399 2 жыл бұрын
Yea, who likes the type of ending that
@Bread-jz2mc
@Bread-jz2mc Жыл бұрын
My favourite endings are when
@markmorales7958
@markmorales7958 4 жыл бұрын
“You must read another book(s) worth of material to know what is going on.” Me: Kingdom Hearts in a Nutshell...!
@kayseek1248
@kayseek1248 4 жыл бұрын
Alternate history please. (You could talk about what if the Nazis won WW2, which has never actually been done before)
@underthethunder
@underthethunder 4 жыл бұрын
And don't forget the Confederacy winning the American Civil War! That totally hasn't been done to death!
@kayseek1248
@kayseek1248 4 жыл бұрын
UnderTheThunder good idea, and it should be set in the USA no matter what.
@underthethunder
@underthethunder 4 жыл бұрын
@@kayseek1248 Absolutely! Alternate History about the Boer Republics should totally take place in the US despite the fact that the US is only tangentially effected by this change and having the story take place in, y'know, Africa would not only make much more sense but also be much more interesting! That's an excellent idea!
@BonaparteBardithion
@BonaparteBardithion 4 жыл бұрын
I'm still amazed he hasn't covered time travel and alternate history more. That's pretty much the entire setting of his book.
@tach5884
@tach5884 4 жыл бұрын
@@BonaparteBardithion It's harder to pull the trigger when you're pointing the gun at your own foot.
@mariokarter13
@mariokarter13 4 жыл бұрын
*J. J. Abrams:* How did he know what's inside the Mystery Box?
@TributeJr
@TributeJr 4 жыл бұрын
"Remember, the only point is surprising the audience" Are you ghostwriting for vince russo again
@sarahtaylor4264
@sarahtaylor4264 3 жыл бұрын
Some of my favorite endings: Hunger Games- It seems super happy on the surface, but if you look deeper it is so much more complicated. Peeta is happy and I think Katniss is to a certain extent too, but she most likely won't ever be able to leave the past behind completely. Loss, trauma, and her mistakes will continue to haunt her throughout her life. Lord of the Rings- Some people got better endings than others, but they all felt natural for the character. Most were bittersweet. I went through a full range of emotions reading them. Far From Men- The entire film built up to the last few minutes. I was confident Mohamed would follow through on his plan, but praying the whole time there would be an out. The scene where he made his final choice left me so happy and emotionally drained at the same time. I like that they actually made Daru accept the consequences of his choice. It hurt so much to see him suffer, but you know he will be okay in the end. I believe that Daru did the right thing (though I loved how much struggled to do it at times), but actions always have consequences. It was a brave ending. Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood: The characters went through and lost so much already. I needed a happy ending just as much as they did. This was a rare case of a unabashedly happy, cheesy ending working perfectly in the story.
@SorowFame
@SorowFame 3 жыл бұрын
I really hated Hunger Games’ ending, they killed off all the likeable characters and then didn’t even give the characters I didn’t give a shit about a happy ending? They’re literally living in a graveyard. That book made me feel like shit and I never want to touch the series again because of it.
@gregcampwriter
@gregcampwriter 4 жыл бұрын
The problem is when a story builds and builds toward a astonishing ending and then falls flat.
@kieyvsquared6817
@kieyvsquared6817 4 жыл бұрын
6:52 ERROR ERROR. HONESTY DETECTED. INITIATE PROTOCOL A2O69! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
@kieyvsquared6817
@kieyvsquared6817 4 жыл бұрын
@@seanhoogland1938 Oh thank God. I thought I would have to set off the nukes.
@Paralellex
@Paralellex 4 жыл бұрын
Now I want to see an epilogue in which every insignificant character gets a wrapping up of their character arc but every important character not covered in the finale is just ignored.
@deathdealer7794
@deathdealer7794 4 жыл бұрын
"Mostly power fantasy nonsense that has nothing to do with anything" fairy tail in a nutshell
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 4 жыл бұрын
with a side order of "have most of the antagonists turn good at the last minute for no reason regardless of if what they said or did doesn't equate to being forgiven so easily and/or their good motives do not in any way shape or form match up with their previously established evil and cruel personalites and actions" oh and let's introduce this evil god who caused everything bad that happened but never actually acknowldge that or even have him appear in the story as the final antagonist.
@drowsified2782
@drowsified2782 4 жыл бұрын
Opposite rivals where the 'good guy' always wins
@theinformantky9332
@theinformantky9332 4 жыл бұрын
Wait, Terrible Writing Advice giving actual advice? I love it!
@Manbuilthouse
@Manbuilthouse 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is about the Game of Thrones ending...
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 4 жыл бұрын
Well, J P has only been hating on that for the entire back end of the year...why on earth would you think he'd have it bleed into several recent videos of his?
@kindoflame
@kindoflame 4 жыл бұрын
In case anyone was wondering, "zzz" was originally onomatopoeia for snoring.
@spiceyblueroyalhoney1225
@spiceyblueroyalhoney1225 4 жыл бұрын
it all makes sense now!
@TheAssassinsfan2234
@TheAssassinsfan2234 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing everyone reference AoT makes me happy as more people are having issues with the ending.
@pinkula
@pinkula 4 жыл бұрын
0:40 - clearly, all those red flags are pointed away from him because he cleverly dodged all the serious problems and created a masterpiece
@Thobeian
@Thobeian 4 жыл бұрын
1:53 Calling it now, this is gonna be a giant dig at the GOT finale.
@jge8144
@jge8144 4 жыл бұрын
I don't care for spoilers so can u tell what's all this about the GOT terrible finale? Why was it awful.
@darwinxavier3516
@darwinxavier3516 4 жыл бұрын
@@jge8144 Subversion for the sake of subversion. Making characters do things that totally defy their arcs. Giving short, flimsy justifications and lazy build up for their sudden changes that feel like someone shoehorned it in after the fact. It was obviously rushed because so much of it could've been solved with a few more episodes of thoughtful build up. Making important things they've built up over a long time turn out utterly irrelevant. Seemingly looking at the fan theories and trying their best to do the opposite of that even if the theories made a ton of sense. Gave pretty much everyone a miserable or unsatisfying conclusion. If you're really curious, just watch it yourself for the full effect. Or settle for one of the dozens of videos dissecting that season.
@williamhare4456
@williamhare4456 4 жыл бұрын
@@jge8144 these videos go into painstaking detail of what is wrong with GoT season 8 and why, and yes that is a two and a half hour breakdown of an hour long episode. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fa9nrdxitbqxoGQ.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a6hojMaX3pOwlJc.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bbFgfsR2vr6YYZc.html
@Thobeian
@Thobeian 4 жыл бұрын
@@jge8144 Long Story Short: Fan theories figured out the twist at the end a while ago, and to avoid the "predictable ending" the showrunmers basically made a rushed, poorly justified change in the story that messed up everything that the show was building towards to be "subversive". It didn't really help that the writing was already going to crap because the show writers overshot the books and didn't have George RR Martin's dialogue and story beats to crib from anymore. TL;DR half of the things that The video was mocking could be applied to the GOT finale.
@jge8144
@jge8144 4 жыл бұрын
@@williamhare4456 will take a look at those, thanks!
@zandbergx9747
@zandbergx9747 4 жыл бұрын
I read a book once that had a "haha twist im clever" ending that wasn't hinted to *anywhere* in the book previously.
@katie-ampersand
@katie-ampersand Жыл бұрын
ngl, JP giving genuine advice has a super strangely comforting tone
@iamdream2562
@iamdream2562 4 жыл бұрын
8:20 "and then john was a zombie" good GOD that's a deliciously classic reference. I too remember that old DOOM fanfic.
@emblemblade9245
@emblemblade9245 4 жыл бұрын
I am Dream Are zombies even demons?
@iamdream2562
@iamdream2562 4 жыл бұрын
@@emblemblade9245 I mean, it depends on your source material, but in the case of DOOM, there are zombies that are just possessed humans if I recall correctly.
@Toasty218
@Toasty218 4 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early I still had self confidence... So never
@awkwardorangedrawz5914
@awkwardorangedrawz5914 4 жыл бұрын
WOW, THAT'S RELATABLE!
@jackisawesome3
@jackisawesome3 4 жыл бұрын
Oh golly, i suppose someone wants attention, huh?
@Toasty218
@Toasty218 4 жыл бұрын
@@jackisawesome3 Oh no just trying to make a joke. I suppose you don't know what that is do ya pal?
@awkwardorangedrawz5914
@awkwardorangedrawz5914 4 жыл бұрын
@@jackisawesome3 maybe!
@jackisawesome3
@jackisawesome3 4 жыл бұрын
@@Toasty218 Jokes are supposed to be funny
@AyaOwenn
@AyaOwenn 4 жыл бұрын
I'm currently writing my first story ever. I actually had a great idea of a plot-twist, and chose to build my whole story around it. It's sooo fun to write it, always giving hints about what is happening, and trying to balance the "too obvious" and the "too cryptic"
@rodr_4
@rodr_4 4 жыл бұрын
"Why have style over substance when you can use style to fake substance?" - You have just bashed so much people that write poetry...
@shards-of-a-soul9290
@shards-of-a-soul9290 4 жыл бұрын
I swear JP is more and more open about his hate for RWBY with every episode.
@Anti-heroine91
@Anti-heroine91 3 жыл бұрын
8:13 Remember reading an interesting story on wattpad that did this. Really it was just a way to stretch out the series since it should've ended after the first sequel. Falling in love with characters and then learned they were imaginary. Got so irritated I dropped the final book altogether.
@chatteringbird9416
@chatteringbird9416 3 жыл бұрын
Oh wow-
@sofiafitzgerald5633
@sofiafitzgerald5633 4 жыл бұрын
I've seen the "it was all a dream" ending done well exactly twice. Which was surprising, because you'd think it would work well exactly never.
@TheMamaluigi300
@TheMamaluigi300 Жыл бұрын
“If I had a nickel for every time an “It was all a dream” ending was done well, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.”
@ProfessorT_
@ProfessorT_ 4 жыл бұрын
The Honest Writing Advice was actually enjoyable. If that were an every once in a while video, I would totally watch that. Great stuff as always!
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