This legend needs to rest now. He's given so much of his life to us. We're forever grateful, Mr. Lekota. 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

I saw you in the public gallery at Concourt on Friday, Sizwe. I was impressed because you want to gather information on your own❤✊🏿

Mr Lekota thank you 4 UR strength and dedication 2 fighting 4 the 🇿🇦South Africa 30yrs democracy free from Apartheid❤️

Brilliant interviewing skills: exercising superior self restraint while patiently listening to your guest! Great job 👏🏾👏🏾

When COPE started ,I gave them my offices in Sandton , they stayed there through the elections and a bit thereafter . My interest wasn't supporting them , it was supporting democracy. Mr Lekota thanked me , his partner Mbaziina ,at the time never did, although his wife did . I have great respect for Mr Lekota

I like how Sizwe listens and engages with Mr Lekota. The level of respect is so beautiful. ❤ I'd like to hear him with Reverend Keneth Meshoe. I think it will be nice.

I am immensely grateful for the perspective shared by Comrade Lekota. I'm, indeed, very proud of him and others who genuinely fought for racial equality in South Africa.

Sizwe you are so graceful, recognizing age is a diversity to be respected. If only Mr Lekota could have had an understudy to mentor into his large boots of history and experience.

Ramaphosa has always been a sellout😡😡😡😡

Great episode 👏 again Dr. Sizwe. I respect 🙏 anyone who stood up against apartheid, like ntate Lekota. Where COPE loose is what ntate Lekota has written on his t-shirt 👕 "defending the constitution" though I understand where they are coming from, and our constitution is great in many ways, it must be amended also in many areas.

I have to tell you, when Mr Lekota came to find me in my own building , I felt so inadequate in his presence. He then made me so comfortable , I will never forget that . What a great man ,I felt so privileged to be in his company, God bless Him.

lekota is my man,and he must not go any where,he must continue to be a president of cope

Thank you for bringing Lekota , may God bless him 🙏🏿🙏🏿

Ntate Lekota has matured like fine wine. He is sharp and informative, but age has taken its toll.

Wonderful interview I must say. Rre Mosiuoa Lekota has a wealth of knowledge.....he needed more time. Unfortunately the volume was a bit too low.

A great South African.What a legend…

Best episode so far! I enjoyed watching ur show. I am from the United States and am not even from South Africa but your show have teach me how politics work in South Africa.

RESPECT goes to you Mr Lekota and all former true and honest struggle stalwarts known and not known.

Appologies Mr Lekota you are a great man. You have my vote

When he apologized and explained that he survived two strokes hence the memory issues 🥺

Being this great man's grandchild must be amazing the way he narrates history is amazing, imagine hearing this stories when you visit mkhulu😢

"Our people, who is our people"😂😂😂

Ntate Lekota's statement on Ramaphosa having sold them out is consistent with what he said in the Parliament about 5 years ago.

We Thank Ntate Lekota for his service to the freedom we have today but as for voting for him and his party hai as a young person I don’t see any push for me to even consider them. It was a nice trip down memory lane and confirming vele that Cyril is stooge of note!

TL good honest man with strong morals, he stands tall and has let many use his shoulders to reach their goals, thank you terror,youve made the game better for all.

This was Beautiful episode. History is beautiful. Can we dedicate post elections content to documenting history. Thank you Dr Sizwe for always handling your guest's stories with dignity and honor

Thank you Sizwe, your content is very important for the youth of South Africa.

Thanks Sizwe for your continued effort of bringing issues of our national history and interest to the fore. Indeed your podcast is enlightening the public and it has not disappointed in carrying out that mission. This interview with Mr Lekota is a very important reminder that the politics we have grown accustomed to that is characterized by selfishness and greed at the expense of the plight of the needy has not always been the attitude and motivating factor for our political forebears who were and remain stalwarts of note. I hope that the young people who are involved in politics will learn and take their queues from people like Mr Lekota who viewed their involvement as a calling to serve by helping to improve the lives of others and do everything possible to see that objective met. Today we have many career politicians who are in it only for the politics of the stomach. Unfortunately the young people have climbed on the gravey train for quick self-enrichment opportunities at the detriment of the suffering communities. It is sad that we are pointing to a generation of men and women who stood the course and sacrificed greatly only for the younger crop of political leaders to mess it up. Today it is difficult to find young political leaders of the attitude and caliber of the Mandelas, the Sisulus, the Kathradas, the Fischers, and the Lekotas in our political landscape who are selfless in their pursuit of politics. They seem not to care about the plight of the needy. They prefer to quote leaders like Thomas Ssnkara but lead opposite lives styles than his, Fidel Castro and lead lives that are different in all respects to his. Who is fooling who? It is said that you can take a horse to the water but cannot force if to drink. Mr Lekota and his generation and those who came before them laid a foundation and paved a way for generations of political leaders after them to follow and if young political leaders fail in following their examples then it can only mean that the young political leaders have decided to do their own thing. Continue to do the best you are doing to enlighten us Sizwe and if we do not change then it will be our choice not to.

Big up to you Mr Mpofu for having so much patience.

Beautiful conversation ❤❤.

Ntate Lekota I like the way you respect the constitution of the country. Honestly you are the only politician who was adamant that we are making a huge mistake by electing JZ as President of the country. I salute you for being true to your words.

I always liked Mr Lekota, we need people of his stature again.

Terror Lekota is possibly the only ANC politician that could have led SA out of the mess we find ourselves in. He is a humble peace loving man. Pity the ANC did not agree with his views.

The patience is amazing. I quite enjoyed this interview. Can we please bring ACDP's Keneth Meshoe to the show, please!! 🙏🏾

This is high quality through and through, picture, sound and the conversations. It shows that the host is a phd graduate 😂

People were blaming him for suggesting that president Mbeki should have a safe presidential plane. I personally think that he was right on that to make sure that the then president was safe and could also be able to relax and do the presidential duties while flying. He should be commended for that.He also correct in his take to accommodating every South Africans in South Africa.To see it important to exit ANC was bravery and necessary for him. Its good to see you so well and fit. May God be with you further into the promising future. Get well Mr Lekota. There was no 9 wasted years even if Zuma was ever been put in court and resistance against him but there is a lot that he managed to do.Trains,univerities, schools, courts, taking care of elderly people,they were getting paid on time, he managed and curbed criminal activities. U'll remember the barret policing forces that were really active.

Been waiting for this interview 😁

Ukhulile ubaba. Kod siyabonga mkhulu. Well said and done, so sorry about your memory. The struggle is not over yet but just got borned

My late father who was a police officer during your incarceration at Soweto, never stopped talking about his experiences with you when he was an orderly, be always said you were resolute in the belief that you will govern this country

Sizwe - continue to invite leaders from a diversity of political thought and persuasion as we move towards the elections. You are breathing new life into our democracy by engaging so respectfully with leaders. Would be great to hear more from the Black Consciousness Movement/Parties/leaders. We need a factual sense of how paths have diverged over the 30 years so we understand them and we can make informed choices and move forward. The elections will be only one measure of our democracy, knowledge our history is another. Thank you!

We are here waiting, lets go❤

Respected sir

Cope and the ACDP should have merged, they could have made a difference

Good reason for your survival Terra, God wanted you to tell us this story🙏 God is good All the time.

Thank you for sharing with us the the history of our country ❤❤❤

Don't underestimate the enormous sacrifices Mr Lekota made during the era of struggle. I have much respect and gratitude! Don't judge him based on his recent years only, where he has become a bit odd in his public stance (such as aligning with neo-apartheid Afrikaners Forum). Learning about his stroke (and other health challenges) it might explain and excuse some of his more odd behaviours in recent years. I hope Mr Lekota finds the strength to retire and enjoy his old age (I know it can be difficult to leave active politics, if you were politically active all of your life).

Dr Sizwe Mpofu Walsh unenhlonipho futhi nentobeko, Siyabonga Mnumzane loko kwenza ulaleleke mfowethu

Thanks again for an informative discussion - It is such a pity that for so long many of us have had zero exposure to the thoughts , principles and motives of quality citizens such as Mr Lekota. These long format discussions help to craft considered opinions so that we align to team South Africa rather than taking polarised sides that breaks rather than builds. Winning is a better outcome for ALL

The young Dr Sizwe is a honest youngmen very intelligent I like to listen his podcast

Sizwe, the audio is missing on the right channel, if you listen on headphones.

ayeye! MK is here now.,..rest in peace COPE

No matter how good a dancer you are, you must leave the stage. It is important to know when to step back or move on.

Dr Sizwe, thank u, awesum interview AGAIN❤️

Thanks to young people with their podcasts we now listen to stories from true owners of the stories, instead of narratives driven by white monopoly capital media

Sometimes great leaders don't know when to stop. Sir, I suggest you buy a small farm next to a local church and move there with your family and create new and beautiful memories. Your service to the struggle of our country will never be forgotten.

I hope these details of history get written in books before these leaders of the African struggle exit this life. The younger generation will need to know where they come from, and what better way than to have the stories told by those who were there

Mr Lekota is to me one of the few true liberation leaders who were and are still patriots...to illustrate my point I do not recall him having been implicated in any corrupt activity while he was in the ANC...when he was the Minister of Defence he would not hesitate to dismiss even a very high ranking official who is found to have committed a crime in order to be promoted to the position he or she did not qualified for irrespective of whether the culprit was a comrade or not and...those were and are still clear characteristics of a formidable leader...I understood his anger when he resigned from the ANC after Former President Thabo Mbeki was unceremoniously recalled as the State President...Cope was a promising opposition leader but unfortunately he was let down by those members who were not patriotic leaders but leaders interested in their personal interests hence it was easy for some of them to be influenced by the ANC to leave Cope and rejoin the ANC...

Jabulani Khumalo of Mbeki feels resonated by Phalaphala 9 wasted years. No president development SA more than Zuma. Mandela focused on quotable quotes. Mbeki administrator Ramaphosa came to destroy anc

Wouldnt old SAPS records be digitally saved? This is a big "statement" Mr Lekota has dropped👀😳

long awaited 💚

Sizwe u have loads of patience, just going hm hm while this old guy tries to squeeze his brain for memory.

I fear the day when your generation would be no more, great mind ,a gentleman, I'm forever grateful for your sacrifices sir,❤❤

Thanks for the interview. Please please invite Reverend Keneth Meshoe to the show!

Even during Codesa... Ramadollar excelled in Selling out

Thank you Dr Sizwe for this interview. Ayeye...Salute

Cyril Marikana Ramaphosa is a sell out period.

Just imagine if this man was President , our country would have thrived

00:01 Terror Lekota's experience on Robben Island and involvement in student organization. 03:05 Formation of the Black People's Convention 09:49 Terror Lekota made allegations against President Cyril Ramaphosa 12:41 President Ramaphosa's involvement in student organizations and detainment. 18:15 Cyril Ramaphosa's statement and allegations during the struggle. 20:47 Debates on non-racial vs. Africa for Africans approach at Robben Island 26:07 Standing in solidarity and refusing to testify against each other. 28:43 Terror Lekota emphasizes non-racialism over racism 33:33 Lekota expresses concerns about the leadership of the organization 36:34 The significance of the Congress of the People emblem 41:53 Terror Lekota discusses internal divisions and factional fights within COPE 44:18 Terror Lekota discusses calling a Congress to elect a successor and dismiss party members. 49:12 Terror Lekota remains opposed to ANC's actions.

One of your excellent interviews. Keep up the great job Sizwe. We are very much of proud of you mntan'am ❤

Last kick of the dying horse

Could you please ask your technical team to fix the sound on this one? It’s only coming out on the left side

A true leaded

Amazing Interview, our eyes open daily - SideNote: Sound guy needs to check for future productions, the Stereo Audio is LEFT only but overall the PRODUCTION 10/10

Thank you for a interesting and enlightening discussion. I am shocked that Comrades were locked up for what I see as peace making intentions. I see this as a really dumb move on there behalf. Lekota I admire your tenacity and the way you stick to your principles.

Ntate Lekota has served his purpose. All he needs to do now is to go and enjoy his retirement with his family. Active politics isn't for him any longer.

These were true fighters, NOT the other one called Cyril.

Sinzwe, thank you for being an absolute gentleman to the comrade! But we were expecting knives, where are the knives that comrade alluded to during the parliamentary session? People power vs old faithful? Aloota Continua!

South Africans, there is no perfect leader but the Zuma you shoot down was your best and will be your best. Minus the lies of theft on him he took blacks forward.

Who would you believe Mosiuoa Lakota or Cyril Ramaphosa? After listening to this man I know who I would believe.

Mr lekota siyabonga but Ramaphosa must lead now we love you come back home ANC

Mr Lekota is evidently tired 😩 his voice says it all

Akaphume ekubuseni izwe akakwazi u president wami , wazimali aythola ngokudayisa bantu, abantu bebala elimhlophe babeshonaphi (Lisban nezimpondo zobhejane? ) mengabuzwa kahle mhlampe angachaza kodwa hayi manje , akekuqokelelwe kahle ulwazi ayobuzwa ngalo ngeskhathi esizayo

There are no nine wasted years... that's why Msholozi is still popular

The Comrade who hit Lekota at the head was Comrade Muntu Myeza, he unfortunately died in a car accident just outside of Bloemfontein in 1990. Muntu Myeza felt that Lekota has sold out by joining the A&C in Robben island.

I admire you for your courage Mr Lekota for exposing Ramaphosa’s traitorship in parliament. That was the first step towards the right direction to liberate SA because everyone saw him as a saint. Uyinkunzi! Viva MK! Viva Mhlanganyelwa!

What a wasted opportunity, there were so many informed follow up questions that should’ve been asked!

To acknowledge the truth doesn’t mean you deny the other party any right to exist but people must always know the truth

My argument is that, JZ implemented all the policies and mandate the ANC provided to him.

Prostatr cancer, two strokes, and a heart attack. Please retire now. You don't have to be crisscrossing the country for politics. Your grandchildren need you. They need to hear your stories, otherwise your legacy will be lived by others

Tera Lokota 👏

who is our People?

Not sure if this is the correct statement, but it seems to me that Cyril is capable of throwing you under the bus, even the one he is riding in, hearing your screaming, just saving his own ass. What a man!!!

CR daddy was the Po Po 👮🏽 😂 oookkeeeeyyyy 😂😌😌

Ramasofa has always been a sellout

The ANC betrayed us

My favorite ubaba, the legendary leader, now has to retire and enjoy old age.

We getting closer to that 100k🎉🎉🎉

Knowing what time it is in life matters a lot, u are are a great hero Mr Lekota but its time to step down now and reflect the journey u have traveled . Who sold who at that time after 30 yrs of freedom is not a good idea at this point in time.

I still not understand what people love about ramaphosa,what is it has he done for South Africa?becouz for me nothing I can show even now

Ntate Terror needs to rest...he has suffered a lot