Tesla Cybertruck vs Ford F-150 Lightning Ultimate Comparison

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I compare a Long Range Foundation Series Tesla Cybertruck to my Ford F-150 Lightning to determine which is the best electric pickup truck for me.
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:55 The categories I'll be comparing
02:57 Cost
05:11 Off-road capabilities
06:19 ADAS
07:59 Appearance
10:44 Power and Handling
17:11 Interior comfort and ride
19:18 Offloading power
23:34 Payload and Towing
25:29 Glass roofs
27:45 Beds
29:46 Charging
34:11 Range
36:18 Frunks
37:01 Software
38:28 Scoring
40:01 Bonus: Availability
41:39 Summary
43:47 All-wheel steering
48:55 Outro
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@LarryRichelli
@LarryRichelli Ай бұрын
I have the same exact truck as Tom. I love it and have no desire for the CT. Out on the road or driving around town it is so comfortable it keeps a smile on my face.
@midnight4109
@midnight4109 Ай бұрын
You nailed it. Tesla has never been known for interiors regardless of price. Ford and GM can easily beat them there and are doing it.
@arecibo1974
@arecibo1974 Ай бұрын
100% with you on this 👍🏼
@billsrelectric
@billsrelectric Ай бұрын
Same
@migmigjohnson9351
@migmigjohnson9351 Ай бұрын
Can you use its built-in inverter while charging the truck on a lvl2? Asking because I want a replacement for my f250.
@arecibo1974
@arecibo1974 Ай бұрын
@@migmigjohnson9351 Yes, you can use the build in inverter while charging it level 2 or any chargers 1 to dc charger.
@mattwolters7030
@mattwolters7030 Ай бұрын
I'd keep the F-150 Lightning.
@brianconrad9618
@brianconrad9618 Ай бұрын
Ford cuts planned 2024 production of electric F-150 Lightning in half. These are failing massive
@bogususer2595
@bogususer2595 Ай бұрын
​@@brianconrad9618They should have started slow like Tesla. Thay can't afford to lose so much money on every truck.
@Cttechexpress
@Cttechexpress Ай бұрын
"How many level 2 chargers can fit in the frunk" is the most State of Charge unit of measurement I've ever seen.
@rxibot
@rxibot Ай бұрын
Once the CT gets the update for home use 🙄
@newguy954
@newguy954 Ай бұрын
Level 2 chargers have to be hardwired to the socket,what you are talking about are level 1 chargers which are portable enough to fit in the ev trunk,of course there are level 2 chargers that can be plugged through regular sockets but they're limited in charging capacity due to it.
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Ай бұрын
@@newguy954 No, he was correct. It was a 48-amp level 2 EVSE.
@keithwillis3761
@keithwillis3761 Ай бұрын
Actually I am not that surprised at your choice. I have a relative that bought a Lightning mostly because the dealer pretty much sold it way below MSRP. He was going to just get a standard F-150 but got the Lightning cheaper than the ICE version. He's a contractor and has a ranch home and doesn't go long distances everything less than 100 miles. He loves that thing now always brags about not needing to pay rogue states to fuel his truck. 🤣 We are going to see how far we can tow a bass boat he is about 80 miles away from a large lake. The Camp site has 50 amp outlets for the RVs. We will see how that goes. Thanks for all your content!
@bogususer2595
@bogususer2595 Ай бұрын
Rogue states? The US is self-sufficient with regards to oil and even exports it. Most shale oil fields flare natural gas that is extracted with the oil because there is not enough capacity to transport it.
@MinjaMiketa
@MinjaMiketa Ай бұрын
I’m pretty happy with my Lightning purchase. Plus I got it like 20k under MSRP so it makes it hard for the other EV trucks on the market to compete.
@matthewholzmueller6292
@matthewholzmueller6292 Ай бұрын
Same here! It's a great deal!
@delmartian2
@delmartian2 Ай бұрын
If Ford matched the Silverado EV battery size and got similar range the Ford Lightening would be unbeatable as an EV.
@bogususer2595
@bogususer2595 Ай бұрын
I'm glad Ford is finally dropping the prices. Last time I looked they were charging way over MSRP. It made me consider the CT instead.
@obicarlgroup
@obicarlgroup Ай бұрын
Tom will make a good Professor he knows how to teach like real teaching and you just understand you don't need to ask questions..
@midnight4109
@midnight4109 Ай бұрын
I would imagine that he is doing better than many professors, unless he was offered a job at the Ivy League.
@obicarlgroup
@obicarlgroup Ай бұрын
@@midnight4109 exactly because many of them tell you to go figure out they really don't teach..
@TheArmanRus
@TheArmanRus Ай бұрын
The blacked out lightbar on the Lightning looks sooo much better!
@karinaenglish4204
@karinaenglish4204 17 күн бұрын
How did he do the lightbar?
@marckramer7104
@marckramer7104 Ай бұрын
I loved my Lightning. On the glass roof, it’s also noteworthy that the Lightning has a functional, opening sunroof vs fixed glass in the CT
@mgdubya27
@mgdubya27 Ай бұрын
What happened to it?
@Jethr001
@Jethr001 Ай бұрын
Yes, I agree it’s essential for me. Will take time for OEMs to create an electric like they have for other Teslas. BTW, a sunshade is included with the foundation edition
@polarbearigloo
@polarbearigloo Ай бұрын
In my area I can essentially get a lightning for 45 to 50 K because they have so much inventory versus a cyber truck which is 100 K I if I can essentially buy two of one truck it’s a no-brainer
@daveriley6310
@daveriley6310 Ай бұрын
polarbearigloo What is your area?
@jcamp9293
@jcamp9293 Ай бұрын
I saw a Cybertruck on the road last week. Yes, it stood out.
@seanmivey
@seanmivey 11 күн бұрын
Lemme just say that the way you chunked this video up into sections is MUCH appreciated! I think I ended up watching start to finish, but being able to jump to sections like this really helps!
@NYCIronman
@NYCIronman Ай бұрын
I have a 2023 platinum lightning. Love it! And the cost saving having a pro charger at my house and the NYS credit program for charging at night makes it amazing. I used to spend 60$ a week on gas
@macgreiner
@macgreiner Ай бұрын
One of the few reviews I would trust. Thanks Tom.
@GerthebearBrady.
@GerthebearBrady. Ай бұрын
The lightning would suit my needs the most
@Liferoad371
@Liferoad371 Ай бұрын
I thought that this was such a fair well thought out comparison that I had to subscribe
@randyhou8522
@randyhou8522 Ай бұрын
This is a quite fair review. Two different trucks which will appeal to different consumers
@michaelhess4825
@michaelhess4825 Ай бұрын
Just got my CT a week ago. Don't have a level 2 charger yet, and Tesla hasn't told me when to even expect it. That's an issue. That said, range is already better than my Y LR, and charges just a bit slower (%) on the superchargers. Interior is very quite and the ride is amazing to me. But my other truck is a '06 Ram Megacab, so take that for what it's worth. The sun visor isn't an issue if you sit up higher. If sitting lower, you can folks it the extension and have it go up to cover the slit. The bed on this thing is simply amazing. There was no real thought put into the back seat, meh, my kids are basically out of the house, but we just road tripped 600 miles and they didn't complain other than it being a bit too upright. If i wanted a family hauler or work truck, lightning for sure. As a commuter, around the property work truck, CT. I pre ordered the day it was announced.
@ranig2848
@ranig2848 Ай бұрын
Great review! Thank you! 🙏 Few points: 1. In 6 months or so CyberTruck will win several categories that Lightning won here 2. Home charging - most people will be able to charge 12 hours overnight so 99.9% of the time it’s not an issue. Also, with charging you MUST take into consideration the efficiency. Given CT does MORE miles with smaller battery which means that the gap in AC charging per miles charged is likely tiny - maybe 20% that given significantly better DC charging (which would happen once in a millennia unless you’re doing road trip) is a non issue. I’d say CT wins. Also, bills will be lower due to better CT efficiency. 3. Pretty sure that once you’ll be able to get a non foundation CT (next year?) you’ll get one 😅 - we’ll have to wait and see… Again - thank you for the great review. Keep them coming. Looking forward to a 1 year review of the CT once all the features are available and pricing goes back to non foundation pricing. Winning the truck game is a marathon, not a sprint. Finally, although pricy, for those towing, once available, the range extender battery will be a game changer. Would love to see a review of that as well. 🙏🙏🙏
@brunoheggli2888
@brunoheggli2888 Ай бұрын
Yes you are right the Ford is the way better value for money!
@hieyeque1
@hieyeque1 Ай бұрын
I just want to take a moment to say the quality of your content, your dedication, and hard work to the channel is superb. I really don't know why you're not nearing a million subscribers. I suspect one day you will. Keep going man! I've had 2 F150's in my life. I STILL miss the road trip comfort. You can't beat the room and the comfort of an F150. I have a 2023 Tesla M3 RWD, btw :)
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Ай бұрын
Thank you. I get a lot of comments that say similarly complimentary things. I've been adding subs at a pretty good pace ~ 2K per month or so. I think it's harder to "blow up" quickly when you don't do a lot of controversial or click-bait type of content. Also, there are a lot of EV creators so I'm competing in a space with many other channels, some of which are better than I am at gaming KZfaq's algorithms.
@hieyeque1
@hieyeque1 Ай бұрын
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney This is true about competing in a crowded space, also the crowd of interested types is probably rather narrow. I'm sure you heard of Electrified with Dillon Loomis - he has a little over 100k subscribers and he's worth a million too!
@noahknight4039
@noahknight4039 Ай бұрын
I think the Cybertruck looks awesome. It’s like the Hayabusa of trucks. The design is very polarizing but ultimately people tend to grow and lean towards it looking pretty badass. IMO the Cybertruck and upcoming EV Chargers are the best looking EV’s.
@MikesCarInfo
@MikesCarInfo Ай бұрын
Excellent content as always!
@pierre.a.larsen
@pierre.a.larsen Ай бұрын
Very nice comparison. Thank you. More categories for a future comparison?: - Maintenance costs - Safety - Ruggedness - Resale value (+total cost of ownership)
@Miata822
@Miata822 Ай бұрын
Tesla has a terrible reputation for collision cost and delays, parts availability, and insurance cost. Any windshield service company can replace F-150 glass quickly, but Cybertruck?
@badbasic
@badbasic Ай бұрын
​@@Miata822On the other hand, Ford has the terrible reputation of being a Ford😋
@sactolife8631
@sactolife8631 Ай бұрын
I’m working at Ford dealer, I know the F150 Lightning battery has separate 12 battery packs those are connected together. Therefore, it is cheaper to replace the battery if one of those packs is failed. I don’t know much about Tesla CT battery, but I think the battery is a whole unit, and couldn’t be replaced separately. Thank you for great review and comparing.
@brianconrad9618
@brianconrad9618 Ай бұрын
Ford cuts planned 2024 production of electric F-150 Lightning in half
@brianconrad9618
@brianconrad9618 Ай бұрын
Ps why does ford have to cut price 20k make a sell people buying CT. Fast as they build. And they build ten times more ford. Is ford still building ? Still lose 40k for every truck wow some fall hook line sinker for the next bailout .. one more big point OEMs fraud numbers they say how many trucks sold as soon as they stick dealer with floor plan. Drive by see not being sold. Tesla only counts sale when cash paid !! As ex dealer floor plan sucks in slow sales period. Come up with million floor plan not sold. Dealers dropping like flies
@fgaryam
@fgaryam 21 күн бұрын
Whether the battery cells come packaged in one package or twelve, replacing only the defective cells may or may not be a recommended option. If testing the cells does indicate cell-by-cell replacement rather than whole battery replacement, it would be somewhat cheaper for the fords 12-pack of batteries, but if all cells degrade reasonably the same amount over time (as they are "designed" to do), then this is a moot point. We are talking about over eight years (when the battery warranty runs out). This is usually a problem for the 2nd or 3rd owner of the truck as most people sell their evs before the warranty runs out.
@kelviskelvis7140
@kelviskelvis7140 Ай бұрын
Tom has this comparison nailed. This is a good review.
@garyclark6747
@garyclark6747 Ай бұрын
The Ford F150 Lightning won over the R1T. Let’s see if it remains in the garage. When (how many years) Tesla home powering becomes available will it be like the truck: will it cost more? The bed is tapered on the Cybertruck so after the forth 4x8 sheet they extend beyond the gate. Neither will do long haul trailering well so why did Ford waist putting in the extra torque if it wasn’t for around town towing weight under smoother easier control?🤷🏻Cybertruck does well on road trips when its slight range advantage runs out especially on an Electrify America 350kW native 800V territory. I can pack in 62kW in 22 minutes starting at 0% to 82% so I can attest this is nice when needed. However with 90% of all energy being added over a year has been with AC at home that clearly is a huge advantage Lightning has. Great review Tom even if we can agree to disagree about the looks. You blend in better with the Ford. 😉 48:58
@Cttechexpress
@Cttechexpress Ай бұрын
In my opinion the Rivian R1T has a lot to like over the Ford F-150 Lightning however it's only a four and a half foot bed, the Rivian is really in a different category in terms of size. Like comparing a 5 seater SUV to a 7 seater IMO.
@garyclark6747
@garyclark6747 Ай бұрын
@@Cttechexpress Tom and I are older and although I don’t have a bad back I could see how lifting a cooler or a bag of mulch in and out of each front truck would set them apart in that regard. Did I over think this or is the Rivian best suited for a lot of little things up front that aren’t as heavy which is a typical use case?
@Cttechexpress
@Cttechexpress Ай бұрын
@garyclark6747 although the Ford has an easier opening I think it's a bigger truck in general, and also doesn't have air suspension like the Rivian that can drop into a squatted kneel mode, so I would bet ultimately they would be pretty on par as far as loading and unloading. For me it really depends what you intend to haul in the back, and if you need a 6 foot bed, or if 4 1/2 feet is plenty. If it's just a vehicle for grabbing some things at the Home Depot than the smaller Rivian is probably more than adequate. For me I would use it as a work vehicle and fitting larger ladders in the back of a smaller truck like that can be a bit challenging.
@chriswestenskow5202
@chriswestenskow5202 Ай бұрын
CT may charge well on some brands of 800V chargers, but officially it cannot charge on CCS, since Tesla has failed to provide a CCS adapter that is compatible with the Cybertruck. You have to kludge together an adapter stack and ignore all the safety specifications to pull it off.
@RobertHenryPike
@RobertHenryPike Ай бұрын
Great comparative discussion of the two most common and most popular electric trucks! Well done, Tom!
@biztransitioncoach
@biztransitioncoach Ай бұрын
Tom - awesome, unbiased review as always! Great side-by-side comparison. I have the identical Lightning to yours and use it all the time to do 'truck things'. One area that I've noticed a big difference on the interior of the two is the amount of smart storage in the Lightning - sunglass pop-down in the roof, two glove boxes, four cup holders in the center console and ones in each door. Under back seat storage that can be popped-up or folded flat for an almost fully flat back seat deck. Love the funk too, and the cover for the additional space makes a very useful divider if you have breakables - case of wine, grocery bags, etc., while the CT's frunk is truly a joke for a 19' long vehicle. Lastly - being able to actually OPEN the glass roof is awesome on hot summer days and, along with the rear window that also opens, allows me to run the truck without air conditioning in all but the hottest days, or when stuck in traffic.
@ekaddo
@ekaddo Ай бұрын
Great comparison, keep up the good content.
@melivey4196
@melivey4196 Ай бұрын
Masterful comparison. Well done sir.
@-Sophia5455-
@-Sophia5455- Ай бұрын
Great Review! Very in-depth and detailed. Thanks!
@MatthewSerta1
@MatthewSerta1 Ай бұрын
I still think the lightning is better! I just bought one a few months ago, and I’m super happy with it.
@jimparr5412
@jimparr5412 Ай бұрын
Keep the Ford!
@gregcoad9153
@gregcoad9153 Ай бұрын
Great analysis as usual. I think some subjective weighting of the categories for MOST pickup owners, puts the win very comfortably with the Lightning. Off-road?? No one is taking either of these things “off-roading”. Off-pavement, sure. Both are equally capable off-pavement. Scratch that category altogether. You gave the win to the Cybertruck bed?? What??? It’s smaller, harder to access, less versatile, and while it has an integrated tonneau, that comes with serious downsides. Totally disagree with CT winning for their bed. Looks- obviously subjective. Power and handling are likewise totally a matter of preference. I’ll take the cushy, floaty ride of the Lightning thanks. No sunshade on the Cybertruck?? Do they have some sort of magic heat blocking film that negates the need for one? Loved the video though and it really solidifies my confidence that the Lightning is the right choice for me. Software is the one and only thing that would tempt me towards a Tesla.
@SteemUSA
@SteemUSA Ай бұрын
Great comparison, thank you for your hard work on this report!
@backdoormanintheend
@backdoormanintheend Ай бұрын
About a month ago I received the Tesla email to configure my CT (I was about number 115,000 on the waiting list). Instead of proceeding, I applied for my CT deposit refund, sold my 2020 Model Y with 71k miles to Carvana for $23,500, and bought a 2023 Lightning Pro (all in for about $48k). For me, it was a question of affordability. If Tesla sold a dual motor CT for $60k, that would have been my choice (in a year or so while they work out most of the bugs). I wouldn't rule out selling my Ford in three to five years and springing for the least expensive dual motor CT. Then again, Ford should be out with its from the ground up Lightning by then. Plus the Chevy ev truck is looking pretty good. So, who knows.
@ultrastoat3298
@ultrastoat3298 Ай бұрын
Poor Ford. They are taking huge baths on these sales. How long can they keep it up?
@chriswestenskow5202
@chriswestenskow5202 Ай бұрын
@@ultrastoat3298 Luckily, Ford , like Tesla has other models that do make a profit so they can afford to invest in the future, like Tesla is doing with CT. Tesla does not release model by mode profitability, but I suspect CT is several years away from sales price being more than cost to produce
@ultrastoat3298
@ultrastoat3298 Ай бұрын
@@chriswestenskow5202 Tesla does not make cars that will not reach profitability. There is no pathway for the F150 Lightning to become profitable, ever. So this whole program was a loss leader. Meanwhile, their gasoline vehicle sales are on a permanent down trend as more and more people opt to buy EVs every year. And to make matters worse, as volumes of gasoline vehicles decline, they lose their economies, which then cuts into margins of an already shrinking product. It’s a tough road ahead for Ford and other legacy autos.
@TheDarinseng
@TheDarinseng Ай бұрын
Durability and Warranty really should be categories as well. Great video.
@davidbryant2872
@davidbryant2872 Ай бұрын
Very comprehensive review!
@TomB9685
@TomB9685 Ай бұрын
Disagree about DCFC while towing. I had to constantly disconnect when towing with my Model Y because of the rear-mount charge port. The Lightning charges nose-in which is a HUGE deal with a trailer. The Lightning can use CCS stations and V3 Superchargers, which gives more flexibility. Those who frequent areas with V2 units may disagree.
@Necrotron
@Necrotron Ай бұрын
I used to prefer the front loading charge ports myself, but after an Expedition totaled my first Bolt when it reversed into my car in a parking lot, I understand the reasoning with the rear ports: less blindspots when you pull out of parking.
@bobthebuilder372
@bobthebuilder372 Ай бұрын
@@Necrotron That's what rear cross traffic alert is for. I don't think any Tesla's have it but most luxury brands do.
@Necrotron
@Necrotron Ай бұрын
@@bobthebuilder372 fun fact: it can freeze. That's what happened with the van that totalled my wife's HHR before the Expedition totaled my Bolt. The rear alert is handy, but the first thing the cop said to the driver that totaled my Bolt "parking rear-in is the BEST prevent to parking accidents".
@dandaigle4546
@dandaigle4546 Ай бұрын
thanks for the information
@uligonzalez4303
@uligonzalez4303 5 күн бұрын
The look is so different and in person it is insane. It looks like a movie prop or a modern sculpture. It’s a head turner for sure - about the CyberTruck.
@danielchoi6477
@danielchoi6477 Ай бұрын
Most comprehensive review, two thumbs up 👍
@carefreeclubhouse1714
@carefreeclubhouse1714 Ай бұрын
We really enjoy this video. We own a Lightning, and like yourself, we LOVE IT! Your video has a good an fair check list, BUT we differ in 2 areas. 1. The truck bed; you can't get access from the sides on the Cybertruck. I am 6'3" and use this all the time. As for the "Auto-bedcover" It's just another point of failure and is difficult to service (See Rivans "Auto-bedcover"). Which leads to number 2. In the end you talk about purchase access, but you leave out REPAIR access. I you have and accident or warranty issue. Ford has a better network and parts availability. The Cybertruck is the new shiny object, but it will fade, and the issues, I mention, will still be present. Our count is 7 - 7, with the tie breaker going to Ford Lightning easily!!!
@chaunceysnodgress3672
@chaunceysnodgress3672 Ай бұрын
I love this video Tom! A great in depth, thorough and honest review and comparison of two of the most influential EVs!
@smarticus6384
@smarticus6384 Ай бұрын
As an owner of a Rivian R1T and a reservation holder for a Cybertruck (I have been invited to configure a Foundation series), I am leaning against buying the Cybertruck, at least in 2024. Maybe I might reconsider in a year or so when the Cybertruck is fully baked. But Half-baked, with too many missing features that we pay for upfront, no. I'm not interested in a manufacturer using me as a beta tester using my money.
@ultrastoat3298
@ultrastoat3298 Ай бұрын
Wait till that founder’s edition sucker tax falls off.
@brunoheggli2888
@brunoheggli2888 Ай бұрын
How about a Chevy Bolt?
@billhaines9991
@billhaines9991 Ай бұрын
Tom, Another great video and a good comparison of probably the most popular EV trucks available today.
@charliesullivan4304
@charliesullivan4304 Ай бұрын
Really close on a lot of these categories - great job on explaining the trade-offs on each. That's the real value here-which wins on each category is really just for entertainment.
@jamesengland7461
@jamesengland7461 Ай бұрын
Agreed. I think this could have been done as a points system where, for example, the CT would get 1.5 points vs 1 for its slight bed advantage, where the Ford would get 2.0 points for its clear frunk advantage, and so forth. In the end, they're not dramatically different, and neither would score badly in any category. It's down to preference.
@Jeremygeo
@Jeremygeo Ай бұрын
Great comparison, Tom! Personally, I'm holding on to my Rivian R1T, but my takeaway is they are all very competent vehicles. Frankly I'd be happy w/ owning any of them. I do truck things (including towing), but there are some instances where admittedly a traditional gas powered truck is still the better way to go, but seems likely that gap will close in the relative near future.
@michaelmathers6739
@michaelmathers6739 Ай бұрын
No doubt this is your best video great job
@Qrail
@Qrail Ай бұрын
I’d change the marks on the pickup bed, and the towing to Ford. Look at the puny mirrors on the Tesla, then realize you can’t put a shell or camper on the Tesla. Thanks for the review, and all the testing you do. Driving the cyber truck showed you what happens when you drive a rare vehicle. It was the same for me whenever I had to drive a Rolls Royce Phantom 5. The car got more looks than the person inside.
@MrSmith-ok7tl
@MrSmith-ok7tl Ай бұрын
Great, real world review. I suggest adding two categories: 1) Safety - for you and passengers inside the trucks and for others outside. The latter I feel the Cybertruck will be found to be unsafe and cause terrible injuries from any impact with the front fender edges (basically dull vertical knife blades). As a quick test, take your hand and hit the front corner of the Lightning Vs the Cybertuck... Ow Vs trip to the ER! 2) Insurance cost, I wonder if Tesla Cybertruck insurance will be competitive or much higher than the Lightning for a variety of reasons. Anyway, great video, please consider adding these two categories.
@Wittstock99
@Wittstock99 Ай бұрын
Nice job!
@scruffy4647
@scruffy4647 Ай бұрын
Great review.
@hieyeque1
@hieyeque1 Ай бұрын
To your point about the F150 being a faster home charging solution, I have a comment about that subject line. I had no clue about EVs when I bought my Tesla M3. I bought the fastest home charger I could find, which puts out 11KW, only to discover the RWD is limited to a little less than 8KW because of the onboard inverter. I've since learned to save costs, the higher level models come with 3 inverter modules and mine comes will just 2. I think it would be awesome if EV makers made the on board charging solution upgradable. I would love the option to buy an extra module and slap it in there and get faster performance.
@azorglub
@azorglub Ай бұрын
Nice to have a fair comparison. Nice job as usual. The worst part of the CT for me is the lack of useful storage for day to day use.
@bkanegson
@bkanegson Ай бұрын
Yes, absolutely. Best, and just about only practical advantage of CT is resistance to door dings.
@Chamieiniibet
@Chamieiniibet Ай бұрын
What kind of storage do you mean?.. It has an entire enclosed vault as the bed.
@azorglub
@azorglub Ай бұрын
@@Chamieiniibet I got an R1T and I like the bigger frunk and gear tunnel. Easier for groceries and misc stuff
@fgaryam
@fgaryam 21 күн бұрын
Huh? It's got a full lockable bed with solid, strong, powered cover.
@racingtogreen2023
@racingtogreen2023 24 күн бұрын
Six months after we got our Lightning, we installed an offgrid 3.6kw solar array with 10kW of batteries, with a 48v 6kW hybrid inverter/charger, which we use to charge the Lightning through the Charge Station Pro. That, after rebates, will have cost around $4k. We also installed a 12k Btu Mini-split in the garage two weekends ago, that also runs off the 3.6kW of Solar. What we didn't expect was, when we run the mini-split, which is pretty much all the time, and open the door to the garage to the house, it cuts our House electric use by around 20kW per day in May so far...helping out the house AC(Central Texas). Long story short, I get 400 sq/ft of man cave that is cooled, AND, the mini-split is likely going to cut our electric bill by $500/yr. All told, this system will likely pay for itself in 3-4 years, and then we'll be getting essentially free fuel, and be paying $13 electric bills for the next 20 years, until the panels and batteries may be down to 80% efficiency. Obviously, you need the room in your backyard to install 10 x 360 watt panels, and the $5500 upfront cost on the solar array/batteries. Per the Towing hype, you'd have to define "you can't tow" We have an autocross course we run 65miles away, and the lightning can tow a 3000lb car on a 2500lb trailer round trip without an additional charge, so works for my towing use case. We've had the Lighting for a year and half, put 10k miles on it, and haven't ever used a fast charger where we have to pay. Transitioning to renewables can pay off quicker than you think... The longer you wait, the longer it will be before you could potentially have free fuel.
@MDillonEV
@MDillonEV Ай бұрын
Most people never got past the "It's hideous " stage. Sorry Tom
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 Ай бұрын
Yes, I think that was a fair review from your point of view. I am not in the market for anything that big. Things like the software difference I expect to become more equal.
@delmartian2
@delmartian2 Ай бұрын
I give the Ford the win on the beds for one simple reason. You can access the bed on the Ford from the side. You can't with the cybertruck because the panels are too high.
@tjmozdzen
@tjmozdzen Ай бұрын
Nice review! I'm interested in a comparison with the R1T.
@williamstachour4019
@williamstachour4019 Ай бұрын
Thanks, Tom. Excellent, honest review. I love the CT tech and look forward to some of these things working their way into mainstream use (48V, steer-by-wire). But I really love the Lightning as a daily driver, and the Ford Charge Station Pro is fantastic. It's a fun time to be a car guy--what fun products.
@Chris21709
@Chris21709 Ай бұрын
Here in San Diego county I've seen a bunch of Cybertrucks on the road, even one in my rural town. Of course, Teslas are thick like flies here.
@dvwatts
@dvwatts Ай бұрын
This may not be a “truck” thing, but the stereo system in the Lightning is meh compared to the one in my Model 3. It actually makes me mad in the Ford that I paid so much for the Lightning and the stereo sucks so bad compared to the Tesla. The CT is suppose to be the best of the Tesla stereos so I don’t see how this does not come up in EVERY review. Also the Tesla has Sentry and Dash cam. These are very important if your car is ever messed with or you are in an accident, or you want to check on your pet in “pet mode”. A few nit pics on daily Lightning things. It does not set the electric parking brake when you put it in park, so unless you set the parking brake while your foot is on the brake and while you put it in park the truck will roll back and forth on the pal. It’s just lazy engineering. They can do it, if you stop the truck and open the door while in drive it will set the parking brake move the shifter to park automatically. What possible reason could there be not to set the parking brake when you put the truck in park? Also the Lightning cannot remotely set the cabin temperature. The most you can do is remote turn it on, BUT as soon as you open the door it turns the climate OFF and you have to get in and turn the truck back on and wait 20-30 seconds for everything to cycle on, climate is last. When it’s 100 outside this is super annoying. I’m not sure if this is true in the CT but in the Lightning you have to have the truck ON to use the AC power. This means if you open the frunk and want to use the outlets you have to first get in the truck, put your foot on the brake, turn the truck on, wait for the menu to come up, go to on board power and turn on the frunk power outlets. Again, seems lazy. You should be able to turn it on from the frunk or go to the app and turn it on without having to get in the truck. On the frunk, the Ford is the “nanniest” vehicle I have ever had. The frunk has a 5 second warning alarm before beginning to open and beeps the entire slow way up. Same on the way down. The Model Y hatch is just as big and opens just as high. No delay, no beep, 2x the speed. The Lighting tailgate required two button presses to open, and you have to wait for the beep to press it again. Super nanny, super annoying. So many great things about the Lightning but also so many that are annoying as F if you also have a Tesla and know how stupid the ICE carryovers are that don’t have to be.
@jeffclymer2250
@jeffclymer2250 Ай бұрын
I canceled both my CT reservations from almost 4 years ago. I am so disapounted in Tesla and the CT. It is nowhere near the truck they told us it would be. Too long of a wait, Too small, Too expensive, Not enough range, and not complete! Im looking at other EV trucks now.
@getreal7217
@getreal7217 Ай бұрын
Except the Tesla dual motor CT has more range than Tesla originally promised and has a bigger bed than the Ford Lightning, more payload and towing capability than the Ford Lightning, lockable storage with one button that none of the other trucks have, access to more DC fast chargers that work than any other etruck. Tesla even over delivered with the steer-by-wire and four wheel steering that they did not originally promise. So no Tesla did not disappoint.
@thedjinn13
@thedjinn13 Ай бұрын
Hey Tom will you do a video like this comparing the lightning to the new Silverado ev or eventually the Ram Rev?
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Ай бұрын
I hope to
@tazeat
@tazeat Ай бұрын
F150s are just fantastic vehicles for their purpose. I've owned my share. For how I use mine I'm happy staying with my paid off ICE and have zero plans to change that, but the EV cars still get by far and away most of my miles anymore. We still often take it on family trips, between comfort, room, real range without forced stops, no infrastructure limitations when traveling away from the interstates (very real some areas of the state I like to go that would be near impossible with the Lightning in any reasonable time frame), and of course when we have the boat too, it can't be beat and it's such a well engineered capable vehicle.
@mcondon23
@mcondon23 Ай бұрын
Good info
@darkzero3322
@darkzero3322 Ай бұрын
Awesome video you made. Could a category be on who can withstand 9mm bullets ?
@hedleypepper1838
@hedleypepper1838 Ай бұрын
Great comparison. The second good honest review and my feeling is both trucks are about equal and its really down to personal preference. Nice job Ford and nice job Tesla 👍
@YellowOtter
@YellowOtter Ай бұрын
From a charging point, with the cyber truck charging port on the rear back panel. It seems to me that you would have to unhook it more frequently to charge while towing.
@hoopdyhop76
@hoopdyhop76 Ай бұрын
With actual full depth A/T tires the objective measurements are the rivian outhandles the cybertruck. With the 22’s it’s in a different universe. And since the cybertruck doesn’t have the adjustability in roll control, putting it on normal street tires won’t fix that because its suspension doesn’t have the range of adjustability in roll and damping to exploit the extra grip. Also, I’ve driven both, don’t confuse a quick steering rack for better handling, the cybertruck oversteers on limit while the rivian is very well balanced and slides both ends pretty evenly. Otherwise good review.
@theclash6032
@theclash6032 Ай бұрын
One of the hardest decisions of vehicle ownership was do I keep my Lightning or get a Cybertruck. I pulled the trigger on the CT and have no regrets. The tri-motor CT is the best truck on the road today. HOWEVER! The tri-motor CT is $40k more than the Lariat and $60k more than a XLT. If value is taken into consideration, the Lightning is better hands down, especially comparing dual-motor trims. TLDR: If you can afford a Beast, get it. If not, get a Lightning.
@techenthusiast4542
@techenthusiast4542 Ай бұрын
I hated the CT design when it first came out. I finally saw it in person and I kinda love it. It doesn't look good on pictures but looks great out in the open.
@tumbleweed1976
@tumbleweed1976 Ай бұрын
Insurance is important. Thank you for the review.
@updlate4756
@updlate4756 Ай бұрын
The F-150L has Co-pilot 360 ADAS (adaptive cruise control + lane centering) even without the Bluecruise option. The Bluecruise option just makes it hands free and gives automatic lane changes.
@dvwatts
@dvwatts Ай бұрын
BC does not do lane changes in the Lightning yet. It’s still on BC 1.0. Nice to know w/o paying for BC it will still do 99.9% of the stuff it does in BC now.
@backdoormanintheend
@backdoormanintheend Ай бұрын
The Lightning Pro does not have either feature and does not support BC. It has regular cruise control and lane keeping assist (not lane centering).
@synergyelectric4074
@synergyelectric4074 Ай бұрын
Well done as usual Tom. I have the same Lightning as you and am sticking with it! Tesla has impressive designs but the interiors fall flat and are generic. The Lightning is a beautiful rig inside and out!
@kubi0461
@kubi0461 Ай бұрын
I appreciate how the F150 just tries to be a truck. I saw one in town a week ago and didn’t even realize it was the lightning at first until I saw the badge. It just seems like an overall well designed vehicle. It’s a shame Tesla didn’t go with a sensible design for the cybertruck. It could have been for such a large market of potential buyers. The stainless steel is totally unnecessary, probably expensive, and impossible to keep clean. Then that ridiculous wiper. Windshield that’s difficult to clean inside and out. Questionable safety with sharp edges and corners that close. The interior looks a bit cheap And overall it simply looks hideous, not just ugly. The more I see it, the uglier it gets. The Lightning looks 1000x better.
@Bill-Rink
@Bill-Rink Ай бұрын
Tom looks like a working mans Truck guy so I believe he should keep the Ford
@capnbeenieweenie5603
@capnbeenieweenie5603 Ай бұрын
Lightning for the win! ⚡️
@TomM-om9jr
@TomM-om9jr 4 сағат бұрын
Very fair comparison
@daveriley6310
@daveriley6310 Ай бұрын
I have watched many hundreds, probably thousands, of car videos and, like yourself, have owned eleven EVs. The one criterion I value highest in a video or in a person is honesty. Based on that alone, this is absolutely the best automotive video I have ever watched. Beyond that, every aspect of the video (except possibly the length) was very well done. Five stars. I'm older than you, having bought my first car, an MG-TD, shortly after getting my drivers license in 1963. I've since bought around 100 cars, including six Teslas. I did not convert my F-150 Lightning order (or my Mach E order) primarily because of the dealerships. I probably won't convert my Cybertruck order either., because Tesla is not honoring the price nor achieving the range stated when i placed the order for the trimotor. As stated, I value honesty and this isn't the first time Tesla has failed me in that respect. Tesla already has sent me one Cybertruck configuration email, but for now I will stick with my '22 Model S. All the best to you, and thank you for posting this excellent video. P.S. My dad was also an Oldsmobile guy.
@jeffballphoto
@jeffballphoto Ай бұрын
Great review as always, Tom. Any experience with the headlights? I have seen some complaints about CT headlight coverage. As a Lightning Lariat owner and CT reservation holder this was extremely helpful. Ford could do a lot to increase competitiveness with software updates.
@scoiatael6726
@scoiatael6726 Ай бұрын
The one advantage the bed of the Cybertruck has over the Lightning is the height you get towards the cab. You can put a taller object in and still have the tonneau cover close.
@shsd4130
@shsd4130 Ай бұрын
Great review! Two other categories to consider: accessories (win for Ford) and audio (win for Tesla)
@TRYtoHELPyou
@TRYtoHELPyou Ай бұрын
great overview and analysis! Whats awesome? We have choices between many trucks. My reservation popped up months ago (day one res).... I dont have 100k to buy a car with at the moment. My fam would fit a lightning better, too. You could fit one of the 4 seat across ford van seats into the lightning to make it a 6 seater, from what I have measured. I dont think the cybertruck has the room for that. Also.... you can find an extended range lightning in the US right now for about 40k.... So nice! tks for sharing this video, its just great!
@Tooradj
@Tooradj Ай бұрын
Great review. I came to the same conclusion. My Pro is a better value as well by a significant margin. SR pack is more than enough for road trips on the east coast (with superchargers online). I don't mind driving 5 miles slower to have a spare under the truck. It comes down to choosing between a piece of jewelry and a useful tool.
@karleerse
@karleerse Ай бұрын
I have thought about it and it is to me a New style of the El Caminos back in the day
@jackfishcampbell6745
@jackfishcampbell6745 Ай бұрын
That's correct , but the El Camino from 68 to 72 at least were lookers .
@PeaceChanel
@PeaceChanel 15 күн бұрын
Thank You Tom for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 ✌ ☮ ❤ 🕊
@universeisundernoobligatio3283
@universeisundernoobligatio3283 Ай бұрын
9 out of 10 trucks, never see dirt, never tow anything, move a case of beer a few times a year.
@grizzlymartin1
@grizzlymartin1 Ай бұрын
Auto show in town recently and I got to see the new Silverado EVRST pick up truck. It checks all the boxes. Can’t wait. My only complaint is not enough ground clearance. But I was told that the truck will have adjustable suspension. so that makes me think that off-roading will be more realistic. Annoyingly it has a huge front seat center console that I wish they would just eliminate. Most truck drivers want that. I want it gone. I want to be able to ingress and egress around the cab without that dumb ass central console in the way. Other than that, can’t wait to order one. I am a VERY early cyber truck reservation holder who has decided NOT to take delivery. I could’ve had mine weeks ago, but after spending hours crawling all over one, it just didn’t live up to my expectations. Had it lived up to the original range promises, I’dev overlooked all the other shortcomings and taken delivery. C’est la vie.
@RobertPitas
@RobertPitas Ай бұрын
As an F150 FX4 owner, the Cybertruck, at least on paper, beats the F150 from a “truck” perspective. They both tow the same, but the Cybertruck has a bigger bed, protected by the vault cover, and a MUCH higher payload. In fact the payload is higher than some HDs. I’ll take a locking vault over the ability to reach over the side any day of the week - I never reach over the side of the bed since nothing I normally carry in the back of the truck is something you’re going to lift out the side. Ford does have a ton of usability features that show that they have been doing pickup trucks forever, but the Cybertruck seems just so practical for a first try at a pickup truck. I think it’s going to make an amazing work truck or farm truck. Imagine charging every night from a solar or wind farm and then using it around the farm/ranch all day for free? Can’t beat that. Long distance towing is obviously an issue for any electric vehicle, so if that’s something you do often, then you would have to think twice, but otherwise… Hard to beat the CT.
@camrodger8638
@camrodger8638 Ай бұрын
Thanks for a very fair comparison. Both a Ford fan and a Tesla fan will likely agree with your results.
@petebarnett9
@petebarnett9 Ай бұрын
Get the Silverado EV
@DishNetworkDealerNEO
@DishNetworkDealerNEO Ай бұрын
The Fast Lane just received their CyberTruck and in the back seat, was a package that contained a sun shade for the roof. They didn’t open in that video. So you may be incorrect about the sunshade.
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Ай бұрын
Even if they do offer a portable one, the lightning would win because its sunroof opens and the sunshade is power operated.
@BogeyTheBear
@BogeyTheBear Ай бұрын
0:22 In all honesty, when you said _"...I have a reservation on Cybertruck..."_ I was not sure if you meant you were in line to buy one, or you had a doubt on the thing in general. The aura around the Cybertruck is that ambivalent.
@Jethr001
@Jethr001 Ай бұрын
Great review Jersey boy! Some categories were so close. Ford has an atvantages for being out for a few years this CT version is essentially a prototype, but still challenging Ford as top truck! Future mods by Tesla and from OEMs. Tesla will separate Work, Urban and Off Road versions like the other truck companies have done. But for now the groundbreaking tech of 4WS, Drive by wire, ethernet ring, 48V architectures are game changers and will push the industry…
@drmaudio
@drmaudio Ай бұрын
For me, I'm leaning toward the CyberTruck. I won't be ready for 18-24 months, so I have some time. The thing I'm having the biggest problem with is no accommodation for the spare, but I figure the aftermarket will take care of that sooner rather than later. We'll see.
@dpsingh6421
@dpsingh6421 Ай бұрын
Tom, I have no interest in owning either one of these vehicles - none whatsoever. But I really enjoyed watching this video, as I do with most of your videos. Keep 'em coming.
@vevenaneathna
@vevenaneathna Ай бұрын
2013 chevy volt and I drive a lot.... last 10 months ive done 9,000 miles on gas and 11,200 miles on electric. all from home charging or destination charging at a max of 3kw charging speed, and only a usable 10kwh battery. PHEV is hard to beat... especially when i only paid 7k$ for mine. 0$ depreciation, 19$/mo liability insurance, car literally pays for itself in fuel savings after 3 years, zero inconvenience of charging, no range loss in 0F winter, battery lasts forever without any degradation.
@Hugo-py2ce
@Hugo-py2ce Ай бұрын
The cybertruck is not for everyone. I can't wait to get mine.
@arecibo1974
@arecibo1974 Ай бұрын
The frunk is bigger plus outlets to charge items in frunk, the Cybertruck has non . The bed of the lightning is wider over the wheel wells. The back seat area is also larger on the lightning
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