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Fatboy, trailering an auxiliary battery pack isn't practical. Tesla could've made the Model S go 500 miles from the getgo, but they calculated in the cost of batteries, typical expected/practical range and came up with 300 miles being the best compromise in cost, range and safety. The extra weight of the trailer to support the battery weight is also dead weight.

@@tayinternational god that looks so bad....would fit in a much smaller aero trailer and even then tesla wont support...and when it depletes have to disconnect etc etc etc and cant charge it at a tesla supercharger either so...???? just weird

EXACTLY MY THOUGHT TOO!!

@@Richard-ie1if Obviously, you didn't watch the video.

It should tow MORE? The Model X is a people mover, not a dualie pickup truck. I find it amazing that it tows what it does. To each his own, I guess.

EV Owner sorry wasn't very clear was hoping that it's towing capacity didnt negatively effect it's total range.

And that chevy volt will be able to go maybe HALF the distance and still have to charge as often which, in the end, will put you at around DOUBLE his total journey time.

Ah wrong. The Volt never has to be plugged in EVER. It carries it's own generator yet it is completely an electric car.

I hope your joking because the Volt isn't able to completely replenish what it uses while driving.

I take it you don't know. One magazine ran the Volt out of electricity and then ran it out of gas then put gas back in it and it started up and kept going so yes it never has to be plugged in. It is UNLIMITED. IT NEVER HAS TO BE PLUGGED IN. EVER. It just becomes a 37 mpg electric car (even though the engine is able to assist the electric motor, it is still driven by the electric motor). That's why is doesn't have gears. The rotor turns either forward or backward as demand requires.

This is a P90D Ludicrous Model X. You can see the badge at 2:16.

oisiaa It’s a P90D. Range depends on load. The rated range of a Model X can only be achieved by averaging 330 Wh/mi or less. Day One’s average was 550, I think. And we pulled a different trailer last year and averaged 623 Wh/mi, I think. Worst single leg was over 1,000 into a headwind. Point is, consumption is near double, which means range is about half. You’ll arrive much emptier than when not towing, and that severely lengthens the charge time.

It'd be handy to see how charged the car was before and after each stop. I've pretty much just started charging to 80-90% whether I need to or not. Just makes the next stop shorter instead of trying to hit the forecast

10kwh more between it and the 90.....wont make much difference really, a few minutes saved at each charger due to the 10% faster charging if you're not sharing....

Tesla buyers are now from all walks of life.

If the doctors I know are any indication they probably bought a Telsa and sold it in the first 6 months, fast majority of them are terrible with technology. lol

They wasted time charging to 100%. Would be faster to charge to 70-80% and stop at every charger.

You dont need to make math to drive the car, the car predict everything for you, only he that feels the need to do the ''math''.

Actually, he shoulda calculated how much electricity he was gonna use from a charger to another.

1970HondaCL100 the trip length doesn't sound cool and the hassle of having a trailer with the supercharging station sounds downright frustrating.

But fuck clean air, who needs to breathe clean air these days...only snowflakes. Alan, you are the opposite of "cool", sorry to break it to you dumb ass!

Doesnt autopilot rely on the speed you want to ultimately travel at? Would be no better or worse than a careful right foot I would think.

Alan Bowers Actually I found out Autopilot is disabled in trailer mode. Driver fatigue could make stop and go ,staying the same speed and keeping perfectly in lane difficult. The car is just making constant millisecond adjustments. It won't make much of a difference in range on this trip, as Superchargers are too slow for towing long distances. Supercharger version 2 with more than 350kw charging should help more on this trip.

Alan Bowers average tesla driver is not that smart or careful with the foot, most drivers really. Autopilot serves to not turn the wheels unnecessarily also, how much more efficient tho who knows but consider extra calculations of the computers onboard. Finally... That big ass screen is after all running on electricity! Where's options for whoever wants to gain a couple miles tesla? If I was to make an electric car it would be atleast double range of this shitty tesla :/ lol I thought he was gna pull out some solar panel shit.

+azalru _"Supercharger version 2 with more than 350kw charging should help more on this trip. "_ I heard that as well, though I am questioning the capability of the current batteries to take that much power. So the SuC 2.0 is more likely for a next gen battery or a Tesla with an improved cooling system.

The cruise part of Autopilot works (and I used it all the time) but Autosteer is disabled in tow mode.

mountainhobo At least the stopping points are in cool places?

Cool places, Mojave... I see what you've done here.... ;)

Zing! Hahaha!

Remember, he WASN't using the bigger battery model, and not charging smart.

"and not charging smart" - Wait, what? He was using fast chargers everywhere. That's not smart?

manthony225, unfortunately, you cannot. Tesla has a specific connector. You can, however, charge a Tesla at non-Tesla chargers. Each Tesla comes with a 240V Level 2 Charge adapter.

Thanks!

Not that we're aware of. But that would be really cool. I'm sure the hardware HAS to be capable, but I don't think the software supports it. Yet?

They exist in the aftermarket, and I like the idea. I’d be with you if this were a serious tow vehicle, but the rating here is small beer. It’s hard to demand a factory solution when someone will invent a Bluetooth link to a phone app. Ford offers a system as an accessory, and I think it takes an extra truck/vehicle harness. Great for huge campers and car haulers.

He never said you couldn't. God you kids these days always look for something to attack something else with. Get over yourselves and stop being so pessimistic and negative. YES, YOU CAN attach a rear view camera just like you can with any ICE vehicle because BOTH have electricity connection points ...somewhere...be it ( worst case) connecting in the end directly to the damn battery, or using a typical 12v outlet inside the cockpit. -_-

I don't understand - add an auxiliary camera on a trailer and send the signal to the Tesla console? Any other cars do that? The Model X already has a high def camera in the rear. I have an idea, maybe Tesla should have a satellite port so you could watch TV on the screen. I guess with all its fancy technology it should do that, too. Yeah, there's something wrong with Tesla because it doesn't support someone else's video signal. Sheesh. By the way, Mountainhobo, you must have conceded defeat on the hydrogen vehicle discussion. According to you, I don't have the ability to reason but you seem to not want to argue with my facts. Coward. You lost that one, how about a discussion on how "green" batteries are? I bet you have LOTS of "facts" on that one, right out of Shell Oil's marketing material. Or the government subsidy argument. In the end, you will learn nothing. But others reading the discussion might. You will buy and advocate for a 2,000 moving part vehicle that burns oil one time and can kill you with the exhaust if you leave it running in your garage. I, however, will use a car with only one moving part in the motor, make my own energy without the permission of the Koch Brothers and have a car with an 8-year unlimited mile warranty and batteries rated for 300,000 to 500,000 miles.

"charging was inconsequential to my driving as I don't like to drive for hours" -- The rationalization some people will go to... "I drive 2-3 hours then stop for 30 minutes, which is exactly fitting with charging" -- He couldn't get past 94 miles. That takes you three hours? You have to rest for 30-60 minutes after each 100 miles?

I drive 2-3 hours, however many miles that takes. I stop then for 20 or more minutes, which is adequate for charging for another 2-3 hours of driving. I said that in my comment, what lengths will go to when they don't read... The driver in the video spent too much time charging. He didn't need the reserve he charged to and he should've been able to go more than 90 miles on a charge, even towing a trailer.

"He didn't need the reserve he charged to and he should've been able to go more than 90 miles on a charge" -- Should have? Sorry, I am laughing so hard now. That darn reality, does not cooperate with what "should have" been.

Mountainhobo, what a jackass. Do you own an EV? Do you mistake a Model X for a pickup truck? I own an EV (Model S) and know several Model X owners, including those who tow. The driver in the video did a good job but the owners I know get more range than he did. In fact, I know one that tows a large boat with more range. The driver also stayed too long charging, contributing to his delays. If you're not a candidate for an EV, don't buy one. In the meantime, a person hauler like the Model X that can tow is amazing in my book. But you keep buying that oil, Exxon loves you.

"The driver in the video did a good job" -- So the driver in the video did a good job, but I am a jackass for defending him because apparently I do not believe that the EV is the second coming for long trips. The problem with fanboys like you is you cannot stand any criticism and go around insulting people. And just look at that: "Do you mistake a Model X for a pickup truck?". Wow. Imagine the evil, uncouth people driving pickup trucks. How unbecoming. You are Tesla's worst enemy because people don't want to have anything to do with you.

johnny mars The shade screen part struck me as irresponsible. Maybe he was on autopilot (I’m providing an excuse - I saw he kept a hand on the wheel so I’m guessing he was driving).

fatboy19831 it’s true, but it’s a shame because the driving part is smooth and effortless. Tons of torque, no noise, no shifting, the most accurate uphill/downhill speed control you’ve ever seen.

Yeah, and he's not using the 100d battery pack model either. So that shows you're not thinking 100% into your comment.

If you primarily want to tow, get a pickup truck. The Model X is a people mover that can also tow but its primary function is not towing. Tesla will be coming out with a pickup in the future.

I would argue that your driving style is dangerous and illegal if you were a commercial driver. Being able to drive 15 hours straight doesn't mean that is a good thing. I wouldn't be a passenger in your car!

Paul Ho what disabled spots?

Alan Bowers 5:20, second stop at Inyokern.

Paul Ho they could have stayed in the car to check because later on they did disconnect the trailer for a longer stop. prob didn't wanna disconnect for a 20 min stop so they stayed in the car

Dylan Nguyen and nobody wants to be disabled, ever. Towing does not exempt you from parking lot rules or ADA accessibility. Anybody who tows knows what they've signed up for, whether that's the slower speed limits and implied sticking to the right or knowing how to park.

Paul Ho yes that's likely why they probably stayed in the car and just moved it when someone wanted to park there... it would've taken them 2 minutes tops. it's not that big of a deal. if they had left it there overnight unattended sure.

Also, we didn’t encounter any headwinds. That’s why 15% made me nervous. I’ve driven into a headwind in a Tesla and that extra range can disappear in a hurry.

Dan Edmunds didn't even think of that...too much ongoing math for an enjoyable drive

Josh Gillispie a diesel will get 500 miles to a tank....but you're missing the point...even if a gas car only gets 300 miles on a tank, one can refuel in five minutes with a huge network of gas stations. ..with an ev, you're doing math...do I stop at this station or risk going to the next one...with a 500 mile range, range anxiety disappears and it reduces overall charging time on a trip

My 05 civic si ( best case) can only do around 475 miles and that's only having around 4 or 5 stops ( motion sickness- can only drive around 1 to 2 hours straight at a time then MUST take a break anyways for 15 minutes). If the charging for at least 80 to 85% of a full ev "tank" was down to 15 minutes or less, then you'll definitely see the EV boom really skyrocket.

wierd, 500 miles is probably 8 straight hours of driving. So tell me the last time you drove 8 hours with no break, took 5 minutes to refuel and then drove another 8 hours straight.

Well, the consumption is double when you are towing, and because you are using more, it takes longer to charge. Since charging tapers as you approach full, double the charge is not double the time. More like 2.5 to 3x

Have you tried to draft off semi-trucks along the route? i heard it can save a good amount of power.

Yeah somethings fishy. A 90d has about 80kwh usable so at 555wh/mi he'd have to charge maybe 50-60 kWh assuming you never touch the bottom 20%. That definitely does not take 3 hours kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iLSUaamkuamalXU.html

No it isn't double, it's about 1/4 to 1/3 if you do not exceed 90-100KMh

SoloFantasy well battery technology is improving everyday, so it's only a matter of when that we'll see EVs truly surpass the ICE.

Without actual government incentives, it wouldn't have taken off. But continuing the government incentive is also not sustainable. You have to understand the actual process how these batteries are made and how they are not recyclable. That's why is not actually sustainable if all gas transportation are replaced by electric in the near future

This is a good conversation here. With the batteries not being recyclable, and oil based fuels being a taboo subject in the world, what's going to happen? One could argue that it takes the same coal/nuclear generating station to make the electricity that you'll put in your future EV. So do we plaster our open tracts of land with renewable energy production? Windmills and Photovoltaic solutions, so the generating stations run on clean energy? Can we rely on the R&D surrounding battery power to avoid having another influx of used up hardware to stack in a landfill somewhere? I agree with 1betterthanyou1 in the fact that this is new tech and it has a ton of room for improvement while gasoline/diesel has been improved upon to death. But I also agree with SoloFantasy in the fact that the U.S. government's incentivizing of the EV market, while boosting it tremendously, will eventually run out. When the free money disappears, are EVs still going to be something OEMs still focus on?

Alan Bowers ICE technology is improving quite bit as well. You now have mid-size family cars that make 200+HP and return 40+ MPG. That was unimaginable just a decade ago. As for the improvements in PEVs, we are seeing improvements, but the main reason why we're seeing gains on the ICE is because of the money shift and subsidies they get. Without them, we wouldn't be talking about them. Also, we talk as if PEVs are brand new to the world, but the reality is that PEVs are nearly as old as ICE cars, but ICE is preferred because they perform better and are much, much more economical.

1betterthanyou1 Well, you're wrong. Like I just said, EV tech isn't new. And what stone has it written that gas has no room for improvement? People have been saying that for decades, but we keep improving them and improving them. Honetly, I think carbon-neutral synthetic fuels are more likely to replace gasoline than EV drive systems. It would require no change to anything, just run different fuels.

Finishing your point, the " let me see how big of WAGON wheels I can cram into my hooptee that ISN'T meant for bigger than 16 or 17" wheels". This is black thug " i'm big pimpin" cultural thing that just needs to die already. It is asinine to have such a SMALL amount of side wall of your tire to rim ratio size. Why? That's easy and simple. When you hit the first bump or pothole in the road, that = immediate blow out. It's just stupid Also the more sidewall of tire you have, the more comfy the ride because there is much bigger amount of physical air cushion-room between the rim and the inside of the each end of the tire. I'd rather "upgrade" my Tesla model s to a 16" rim with a 275/55 r16 tire than what they currently have that comes stock.

Oh yeah, you buy a car from a "respectable" car dealer and see how shady that is. Of COURSE Tesla counts in savings on fuel. Gee, I remember some desperate car dealerships giving away a "year's worth of gas" to buy a car a while ago. Sure seems like they were counting in that reduction in operating cost in the price of the car. And why shouldn't Tesla mention a tax incentive? It might apply to you, it might not. I got a tax incentive when I bought my Tesla, but depending on the state you live in you might not. Tesla was 100% accurate on the price of my car so I'm not sure where you're getting "shady" from. If you don't want one, don't buy one. But comparing direct sales when I used a browser to buy my car vs. a stealership is no comparison. I'll never buy a gas car again and never use a stealership again, either.

EV Owner you've obviously drank too much kool aid. Firstly I did end up buying the Model X and so far so good -- I did end up paying the higher price -- the explanation was that the website wasn't "as up to date" as market prices (w/e) and there was nothing that I could have done (take it or leave it). Secondly I never once compared direct sale with car dealerships. In fact my last 4 cars were bought from brokers so stop making stuff up. Just because you bought a product doesn't mean you have to worship it. You're the worse kind of owner of anything.

Kevin Bowman I wouldn't say EVs aren't practical at all for road trips, but you have to have a plan in place and prepare for the scenic route. Towing isn't there yet, but in sure with the innovations by Tesla and competition like Fuso, we'll see EVs quickly climb that stage as well.

No kidding, imagine that trip with a real RV trailer 4500/5000 lbs and a number of kids who want to get there...

Must be nice to get paid to drive for that long in a nice car and record a video once in a while

+Kevin Bowman - Well given they had a fair amount of range at each stop they could have cut down their recharge time and probably save themselves an hour, also this is going to be a non-issue in 5-6 years for the vast majority of people as battery tech improves. It's not like we could drive cars for 400-500 miles on a tank of gas for the longest time, heck most cars on the road today still can't go that far on average. It's just less time to fill up at a gas pump then recharge an EV.

Bighead, I have a 3 on order....but.....My 2001 Cherokee has a 20 gallon tank. I can tow 1500 pounds 230 miles no problem in well under 4 hours. My Jeep weighs 3700 pounds. Even adding the 1500 pound trailer and a full tank of gas it is still lighter than the X. Next Gen Electric SUVs will be lighter, charge quicker and do better when towing.

Josh Gillispie You can anticipate longterm widespread power outages? What about Tesla owners in Puerto Rico or other Caribbean Island residents that were affected by the hurricanes? I'm sure there may be some affluent residents who own EV's.

Josh Gillispie Ummm........since when can an electric current be saved and stored? Man made electrons dissipate within a few seconds unless they are fed into an existing electrical current. Most homeowners lack the required knowledge and equipment to convert electricity into another type of power source. I know there aren't any residential household reactors or power plants in my neighborhood. Following your logic, I guess more people should buy gas generators and make and store their own electricity to use whenever they need it. Who needs power companies in your world?

Solar panels and batteries have been a thing for a while now actually and can power a house and charge an EV. Also, you can use a natural gas, gasoline, or propane generator to charge an EV in extreme situations. Gas shortages are common during natural disasters, I've been in a couple where our power came back (1 week) before gas was became readily available again. EV's are not for everyone and its obvious there are scenarios where things may be a bit hairy but we will continue to see them improve in efficiency and capacity. Most homes have two vehicles. Most of the EV owners I know have more than 1 vehicle with at least one of them having an ICE. You can make out as many scenarios as you want, but there will always be situations where one may not have electricity or gas available but only one of the two can be generated at home in unlimited quantity. We will see more of that as time goes on and we progress as a civilization.

scbaman Can these devices actually store the electricity they produce for an extended period of time?

I like EVs, but only as a second vehicle. I think that’s the best way to look at them. Even with 300 miles of range, I can’t see them as someone’s only car until charging is MUCH faster and far more convenient and widespread. This test shows where we’re at, but it also shows how far they have to go.

No, HE is stupid. There isn't that much a need to charge to 100%. charging to 70 or 80% makes more sense and saves more time.