Don’t you dare questioning the ways of our superior master mind!

Probably some manager received a raise for “improving” the software to remove the sensors

Ultra sonic sensors didnt n wor well...

Its funny how they removed sensors and still charged the same price for the longest time.

This is referring to Twitter, isn’t it?

I hate that truck. 🤣🤣🤣

It also shows the truck on USS

That's funny that they didn't modelled a garage at the first place. That tells a lot about software is very far away from being ready

​@@ironicgoose9913NO they did, DO NOT doubt Elon Musk, he in fact modeled for more than you think, that truck is in "imaginary numbers 5th field" dimension just that we're not capable of entering the imaginary number 5th fiels dimension, he modeled to prevent if they ever came or we go accidentally in their dimension Elon is so ahead of it's time Praise Elon Musk

I think he should have used both together until he got Vision better or use sensor where the vision can't see

Thank you for watching

I Agree!

Is it?

@@anthony49812 This is a flawed move. They didn't remove them for innovation, but cost cutting. The AP camera is unreliable as is in strong sun or really heavy snow, so how do you expect a company that has yet to remove those glitches to suddenly upgrade the parking situation? There is a reason they are going back to sensors. I purchased a 2021 Model for that exact reason, and just this morning those sensors came in handy, giving my 50 cm to the car behind me and 50 cm to the car in front during paralell parking.

Agreed. Used to have USS in M3. Now have MY 2023 with Tesla Vision only. V disappointed.

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Yes! indeed! Thanks for your effort! and i didn't know that new 2023 tesla remove ultrasonic sensors! 노력과 영상이 많은 도움이 되었습니다!

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Agree. Thanks 🙏

They should recall all the Non-USS cars, or people should go after a lawsuit. This is just unacceptable for a 2022/23 car.

Tesla Vision, has a lot of room for improvement. Tesla like to think of themselves as a software company, so with Tesla Vision they can update the capabilities of the software over the air. May not me the same case for USS.

@@thegeekdeveloper Well legally, I doubt people can win a case as they were knowingly taking delivery of a car without Ultrasonic sensors. Anyway, I think removing USS is the best long-term action, but a software alternative should have been ready when they did so. Undoubtedly the pure vision system can work, so it's just a matter of time.

​@@sebastianorye2702 There seem to be blind spots that the cameras can't see (lower down around the bumper), not sure how that can be fixed by software...

I think the problem is Elon wanted the USS removed to save money and the engineers were forced to make do with the technology they have. Unfortunately not having a camera on the bumper makes it hard to see down there.

@@kle1231 i agree, but it doesn't make it hard, it makes it inpossible, a person that doesn't have eyes won't be able to see, the same logic aplies here, the car won't see obstacles because it can't, they should have kept sensors in the front or added an extra camera, they won't be able to fix this with software, as it's seems technically impossible to me. Saying this I'm still planning to get a model y, i would just end up reversing everywhere as the backup camera is still really good.

​@Izzet Karahancer so you're telling me, as a human driver, if you're stopped at a stop sign and a cat walks in front of your car where you can no longer see it, you will suddenly not know its there because it's not in your line of sight? If your answer to the above is yes, you shouldn't be driving. If your answer to the above is "no" then you understand your memory infers where something is even when you can't see it. The occupancy network aims to do what humans do with their memory. I think Tesla Vision parking assist will get a LOT better than it is currently; however, I don't think it'll ever be as good as the USS version- even if Tesla added a nose camera. I suspect we may see a HD radar return to Tesla vehicles (musk didn't rule it out- read his tweets saying he'd use one if it was high definition enough) and this HD radar could be used to see things super close to the car with extreme accuracy.

​@@Unkn0wnC0mmand Yes, I will know the cat is there and I will know not to move forward. I will, however, not know how far the cat if from my bumper if I can't see it. Once the cat goes under the blind spot, I can no longer tell how far it is from the car. I just know there's a cat there. I will not know if it's 10 inches away or 2 inches away from the car. Maybe it ran away to the side. I will just know that it's there. The classic Schrödinger's cat. Back to this parking application, the point of these parking assist system is to make our lives easier with parking. The system should assist us and help us get as close as possible to our intended parking space without hitting something. Can I park without it? Sure. Just like how I can get from point A to B by just walking instead of driving. If the parking assist just as good as our memory, then that defeats the purpose of the system. Remember, the point of these system is to help us, the drivers, see spots that we normally wouldn't be able to see. The argument of "it works like our memory" isn't as sound as you think. I also wouldn't based release things off of Musk's tweets. They are merely aspirational goals -- he went to court over this and claimed that no reasonable person should take what he says seriously. Only take a look at what was actually released and how it works, not the product that is promised to be delivered. I do hope that one day this will get fixed and that vision can achieve parity with USS parking sensors. I just wouldn't hold my breath because it's also been about year since vision based window wipers and it still very flaky during the rain. So flaky, that Tesla just went ahead and release the feature that allow us to change our wiper speed from the steering wheel instead of the touchscreen.

If the system has its limits, they just have to low down the quality requirement to mach what it can do... Hey! no miracle. It's still way better than no system at all. You just have to know that you can't rely on it, that's all. You have already done that with the automatic light, and the automatic wiper and more likely some other stuffs. Anyway, when you pay a paint that you can find anywhere else for the third of the price, you can have an assistant who gets out of the car to guide you. And if you buy the autopilot option not even ready for a decade and at a price even more indecent, you even can have a driver who deals with all the lacking tech for you, and it's fully operational already. 👍 😁

Thanks for noticing. Glad you liked it.

The latest update 12.1.2022 made it worst. the 6.1.22 was better.

That's sad! Hard to make it worse but apparently possible. 😔

Indeed, in fact I'm already looking to shop for another car, thanks to the stubborness of Elon Tusk

I had parking assist in a late model Volvo. It was garbage. Couldn’t get it to engage; just a waste of time. I have a vision Tesla and although I do miss the Birds Eye view of many cars now, its cameras are good and lack of USS in practice isn’t going to be a problem for me.

No it’s actually dangerous

The problem is it’s relying on camera up on the windshield. They need a camera on the front bumper for vision to work reliably.

yet

Wait wtf… I just took delivery and the car is constantly freaking out. At least show me what the camera is seeing

Smart!

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.

I would also wait for highland.

Until it rains

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@@blower1 electric cars can't drive when it's wet outside anyways, we all know that🙃

@@ianzlobec :D bzzzzzzzzt!

You will love the car in all other aspects.

1) Cancel order or 2) Drive carefully like an old fashion car 3) Cancel order.

Thanks 🙏. Computing power may be an issue didn't think of that during the test since I was driving very slow

It can only improve so much though as it is essentially a hardware issue and that cannot be solved by software alone.

🙏 glad you enjoyed it.

Yes, very unlikely since the lack of hardware makes it close to impossible.

I hope so. 🙂

Just Dumb!

Why no camera in the front bumper? Expense?

​@@b4804514I think bugs and grime could be why they're not adopted. Many are forward facing from the rearview mirror but for adaptive cruise control.

@@eleventy-sevenThere are a ton of car producers who made it work though

Tesla just cutting down corner to Save money

They have. Elon just didn't care. He wanted USS removed.

They did discover it. Still removed the sensors.

They thought they'd have a solution like in a week lmao. Obviously it'll take them at least a year. Being that precise with these strange camera angles for close by things will be complicated. I don't know whether there were part shortages or they were desperate to cut costs, but sure to say having these sensors would be a clear benefit. Even in the future with good software you'll still have a blindspot under the bumper.

@@daniel_960_ i am not even sure if hw3 will have a solution ever. Also an additional front camera is needed if sensors are not back.

They did, they just wanted to save a penny at the cost of the consumer

Exactly!

Yeah, I had expected object permanence to be a bigger part of it, and it clearly is there to some degree, however at a low quality. FSD Beta manages to do this well with moving objects, so I had expected a higher level. Nonetheless, they'll eventually get it fixed as with all their software.

Thanks 🙏

There's is definitely room for improvement. Hope it gets better in the coming updates. Thank you for watching.

Tried it with a hedge. It saw something but showed STOP around 50cm before the hedge, so way to early. Tried it next to a tree, did not see the tree at all, probably because there is a blind stop of the cameras there.

Tesla vision will get better but there's physical and technical limitation on current hardware that will make it very hard or impossible (my thoughts) to get on par with the USS.

@@ItsOnlyElectric hopefully they can pair two together. Make it as though there is an extra set of eyes on the road.

I have ordered a Model 3 Performance which of course will be vision only. It has advantages and disadvantages, tbh I wish Tesla had left the USS in but oh well, never mind. One thing is the M3 has a lower bonnet line (but also a lower roofline which may negate this point) than the MY so perhaps the front camera may be a little bit more reliable?

Yes, a little less of a dead angle. But there's still a dead angle. But in all other aspects a great car. Back up into narrow spaces and you will be just fine. 🙂

That unavailable thing seems risky. it should be able to work without network connection. Thanks for watching.

Thsnks for your input

I´m in the same situation. It´s unbeliviable that they removed the sensors without being close to a working solution (if they ever find it). They could have had it as an very expensive option (3000$ for USS, or something) and I would have bought it every day.

Yes, USS as and option would be great. But that's against teslas vision to streamline the production.

Lost usd 13.000 in January when Tesla cut the prices, but didn’t get the uss😮

Sad to hear that. 😞

Consider the whole car, what you get for the money, and how it compares with other EVs at this price. If the main criteria is a fine set of parking sensors, then there are better options out there. For me, range, efficiency, charging practicality, acceleration and chassis capability are more important.

Agree! Glad you liked the video. Thanks for watching!

I just bought an in inventory base model M3 RWD in June 2023 and took advantage of the $2400.00 price reduction. I bought it on Saturday and picked it up on Tuesday. With federal and state incentives, destination fee, order fee, and sales tax it cost just over $32k. With trade in of my 2012 Forester with 108,000 miles, it’s total cost is just under $25k. If poorly functioning Tesla vision is such a barrier to your ownership, then you shouldn’t buy it. For me, it’s trivial and I have zero problems parking using my own vision and rear camera. I’m very happy with the purchase, but it appears it would not be right for you.

You also don't get RCTA or Leather ... nice.

@@BobbieGWhiz Seriously? Non functioning park distance control is trivial? You've spent an absolute sum of money, and you have a feature that you've paid for that doesn't work. I mean calling that trivial is astonishing and nonsensical. Look, I can't conscionably buy a Tesla because they wont include RCTA and I have children and as such won't accept such a deadly omission. But absolutely their electric powertrain is the best by far, by far and away actually. Now buying a Tesla despite it using vinyl seats instead of leather; that may well we trivial to. Sure. Despite it not having life saving RCTA; trivial to you? Again, it may be so. I get it. But having a feature that you paid for doesn't work? Goodness me. You may be happy with your purchase but your confirmation bias is .. if not blatant.

@@robertc869 I respect that it’s not trivial to you. I’ve never had a car that has had parking sensors and that’s how I learned to park, so it just isn’t as important to me as it is to you. Different people see things differently. On another point you made, the sum of my I paid for the the M3 RWD (after government incentives and unloading my old trade in) wasn’t a whole lot in 2023, in my opinion.

Fortuneatly i have sensors on my MYP. The auto wipers is much better now then for a year ago. But still leaves things to be desired.

@@ItsOnlyElectric Indeed...one other thing that is pretty poor is the TACC - traffic aware cruise control, in stop start traffic. Here on EU/UK models at least it is terrible as it surges up to the car in front then brakes too harshly - so it's all very jerky. That and glitchy auto wipers are the 2 biggest things i noticed not working when coming from my previous VW mk7 Golf. The automatic high beam used to be awful too, but after an update it's actually not too bad (but still they should have rolled out matrix headlights by now, my car has them but no implementation yet)

I did it to illustrate the angle of the lens of the camera in one vad don't know if it's the one you are referring to. But on short distance with a small angle the hypothesis is almost the same as the base = negligible distance. But when it comes to Tesla vision it doesn't seem to matter since the precision is far from close the real distance anyway. 🙂

Krep it! 🙂

He doesn't need to test point 1 as he mentions that the USS sensors will not pick up a mere pavement change. I will go further and mention that is by design by the way. You can figure out the reason for that.

It definitely has the theoretical ability to be good as they refine object permanence, but lets see how long it takes.

Obstacle detection while driving is also fundamentally different compared to close-range obstacle detection needed e.g. when parking or maneuvering in narrow streets. I think this score is simply not applicable to the topic discussed.

NP

Probably changes with the highland update that's first rolls out for the Model 3.

@@ItsOnlyElectric Only if they really mount the cameras where they've been speculated. I believe there will be some near the headlights and maybe one in the bumper. Not sure. Information has been all over the place. But, the fact that they are rolling out vision "capable" cars that won't have that hardware is questionable to say the least. And it will be too expensive to retrofit. So wouldn't that meant they are making those cars obsolete. It would've made more sense to wait for hardware 4 to start implementing vehicle changes. Especially when surprising customers with changes without announcements.

Yes, totally agree.

Thanks!

Y’all are so dependent on these things, you can’t even properly park without them lmao. What’s the world coming to

@@shannell5948 You must be kidding. We are talking about a car that is supposed to drive itself, park itself. Not having those sensors, it cannot do those things. Every other car at this price point has the sensors. Watch RSymons tests to see how these Teslas cannot detect a huge orange trash bin behind the car, some boxes in front of the car and how it actually hits people.

Exakt så är det. Tack för att tittar. 🙂

When you need it the most ...

Yes, that's unfortunately the case. Tesla vision will probably get better but som factors are very hard/impossible to fix with current hardware.

Agree, good points!

Did you get your order fee back?

@@radiantveggies9348 Not yet. Have given them the opportunity to come up wit a solution before year end. If they fail I would get my 125 euro back

You’re welcome 😊

Thank you! The Highland is a great car, good choice. Did you watch the video? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gZOHeZyp3JvGpY0.htmlsi=_P3d55P2VggJL1i4

Thank you for watching

Glad you liked it! 👍

It has been told. Tesla seems to be adding front bumper camera at least on s and x as a starter. I guess that will go for all cars going forward.

Ibland hinner jag inte gå igenom texterna i sin helhet. Men tänker att det är bättre än inga texter alls för de som inte pratar engelska. Tack för din input och kul att du gillade videon. 👍

Thanks

Thanks

Glad to hear! Thanks for watching

No, it's enough to back up 3-4 meters. I did that in the video. 🙂 But it disappear when out of the line of sight of the camera = when coming to close.

If the going to go all vision they need to add a lower camera.....

So drivers should create preferential conditions for Tesla Vision.

Good idea. Let's see what I can do.