First great videos love you guys

its a bit odd how fixxability and replace-ability is now 'special' if certain companies did not lead the charge at ATNI repair behavior (looking at you apple) this would not be needed.

A correction is needed, there is two m.2 slots for storage, a 2280 and a 2230. The 2230 is most likely above the 2280 and is perhaps hidden by the black paper like cover that is near the heat pipes.

@@alatnet This is correct. There's a spot below the longer ssd for the smaller ssd. Both can be accupied at the same time.

I would like you to clarify something about delivery from Framework They send using post office or courier their products to customers homes on supported countries or they have shops, they own or others, in supported countries?

With a normal laptop you're basically limited to buying someone else's bits. Be it dismantled or a whole defunct (or functional) laptop. I know, because i used to do this back in the day to keep older laptops running for years past their expiration date.

They've also open-sourced their stuff like the module specs, both the expansion and USB-C ones, so ANYONE can make compatible gear!

I figured there could be tragic damage, and that the repair would be easy. And you just proved both in a rather elegant way. Thanks.

@@aserta Even if they sell parts, they would sell the entire motherboard, or entire display assembly. So like half the price of a new laptop.

It's a bit of both. Primary design definitely feels like it is meant to allow repair, but it's built robust enough that you can absolutely swap stuff day to day as you feel like it. I have a framework 13 right now and I keep a couple of extra ports in my backpack just in case I need to do a presentation and they don't have a display port connection that I can use. I just swap in the HDMI. I am interested to see how the 16 continues with that because swapping the back module is a little bit more involved and it's not technically hot swappable because you can't really remove a graphics card while a device is running, but it could be interesting to see what people figure out with it

Yes to both of those, but also it makes the machine customizable - Most people won't be changing out the ports day to day, but everyone can get exactly the port configuration they want.

I don't always need an ethernet port, but when I do I can just swap out a module easy peasy. It really makes adapting to specialized conditions easy and temporary.

Its always nice to be able to lend a port to a macbook user when they need some ports that they are missing.

i use a different sets for work and travel, however when i need an extra port just for a moment, i just use the usb-c port and put another dongle there instead of removing the module :)

Came here to say this 😊

woah

They promised this before dropping their first computer, but nothing has materialised yet, and my post got deleted when I called them out on not having done it yet.

@@okatbikes4917 it was probably a duplicate. They've had this in FAQ for a while; tldr is that allowing customer-to-customer marketplace requires quite a lot of infrastructure that they can't prioritize yet. Making a buy/sell post on their subreddit works well as a marketplace for now.

​@okatbikes4917 what are you on about? The marketplace has been live for months, lol. So it was deleted with good reason.

@@BouncingZeus I don't see any options to sell your own parts as a third party. Only parts sold directly by Framework, and a case by CoolerMaster.

This is so far from correct, almost all laptops will only need the keyboard replaced if the keyboard is damaged, yes some need the palm rest as well as they are made as one unit but I have yet to find a laptop that needs to be completely replaced because just the keyboard is damaged and this is what I do for a living so I am qualified to say so and price wise for many brands replacing the keyboard would be far cheaper than the equivalent part from framework

@@garybell3924 It's not so much the parts as the fact that most laptops are not made to be 'user servicable' - their replacement procedures involve delicate fiddling with micro connectors and easily broken/lost little pieces. So I end up paying for labor, which is a whole bunch of extra $$$ - way more than t he difference in cost of a framework keyboard over, say, lenovo.

Ok as an example if I were to repair a Lenovo 320-14ISK keyboard for a customer the total costs would be Keyboard £35.34 Labour £29.99 That totals £65.33 The cost of a keyboard module for the laptop in this video from framework is £59 + £10 shipping totalling £69 and that is when it is available. That is just one example I can give you quite literally hundreds of different examples that would be cheaper than a framework keyboard alone to be repaired by me for a customer with parts that are new and readily available

A part you're overlooking though, is the actual computer's support for that shiny new piece. If I wanted to upgrade my battery to the new higher capacity one in my 12th gen, i'm SOL. FW can't or won't release a working BIOS that allows compatibility. So what happens when the new GPU comes out with the next gen 16, but they've already abandoned gen1, despite the piece physically fitting inside?

@@okatbikes4917 not yet. They're just a small company with limited resources for back-compatibility. They will get better as time goes on - and it takes time to build that compatibility into the BIOS. But since their entire ethos is centered around such backwards compatibility, I have no doubt that they will make it work.

I love the flexibility so much. You get the choice of doing that in software, or just carry the numpad and macropad modules and swap the out ez-pz! I'm very tactile so I'd probably go with the latter

Given the prices of their parts on their website, the cost of an upgrade is not going to be cheaper than buying an entire laptop, currently at least anyway

Best part is, you can buy used (either as a whole or in parts) and then slowly Ship of Theseus it up with upgraded and replacement parts over the next year! (the 16” won’t have used parts on the market yet, it’s brand new, but if you’re looking at the 13” you could do this, or wait 6 months and the used market for these 16” might start filling up).

He already *_is_* the Norm

Pity about the nauseating camerawork 🤮

As for battery, the thing is fully operated with USB-C PD charging you can get power banks that can charge the laptop and anything you want instead of using the rear Expansion Bay, I’ve found powerbanks that can do 100W PD to one device that’s enough to charge the device specially if you don’t push the discrete GPU module

@@Pro720HyperMaster720 Powerbanks have different airline baggage rules than laptops, and take up extra space and inconvenience over just slapping an extra battery into what would otherwise be empty space in the laptop.

@@AnonymousFreakYT In fact rules are very similar no more than 100Wh batteries per device, So if your laptop has a combined more than 100Wh, you’ll have a problem, that’s why the laptops with the biggest batteries all have 99.9Wh, and if you carry the module separately in a bag would be effectively treated as a powerbank, so there are two options or it couldn’t be larger than 15Wh (FW 16 85Wh), or must be carry separately under the same rules as a powerbank, the last flight I took, I read the airlines rules and battery of devices was limited to less or equal to 100Wh or it wouldn’t be allow on cabin and for external batteries (defined as device that could power/charge other device/s) you had a max of 6 batteries of less than 100Wh or two 100Wh+ (I don’t remember the range, I think it said up to 150Wh or up to 120Wh, can’t remember) No joking me and my friend were taking 8, 72Wh powerbank (30Wh PD btw, enough to sustain battery in my laptop for browsing) as I read the rules because I was doubtful if we would have troubles with the airlines I wore 4 and my friend the other 4. TL;DR: wouldn’t make a difference, Expansion bay batteries are not viable, and even if it were there is more than one reason laptop manufacturers don’t use extra batteries any more, for premium laptops they can already pack the max legal (so it can’t have problems with any airline) So In the end is a tiny space, and if you were able to pack 20Wh in that space that I think could be possible the laptop could put you in trouble if it’s connected and too small to make it worth it against the powerbanks, sorry for repeating myself

They're not a startup anymore. The company is four years and three generations of hardware old already. And they're only getting started.

@@spdcrzy obviously with "startup" I'm simply putting emphasis on how it started. Four years is nothing. There's still a great chance of a collapse, unless they'll become popular enough, and will sustain the popularity. They could easily go down in 10 years for whatever reason. And 10 years of existence is not success.

do you honestly not just use bluetooth with a laptop?

@@zachmoyer1849 Yes! That does not mean that I do not use Bluetooth headphones. It means that I also use wired headphones (and often prefer them) or my HiFi or a mixer or some other audio device of various age.

@@AlexandruVoda i mean they make adaptors that allow audio and data through one usb-c port if you honestly need that many usb c ports while also using your wired headphones. but framework should offer that expansion card option ill give you that.

@@zachmoyer1849 In the case of Framework, a combo audio + USB passthrough (ideally with power delivery) is something that could even be made by the community. But my point was, same as with smartphones, that there already is a DAC inside (because of the built-in speakers) that already has the pins for an output but is simply not connected to an output. there almost certainly would have been space for a jack connector and it is disappointing that there isn't one. Otherwise, nice laptop.

@@AlexandruVoda thing is you are in the minority now and people likely would prefer to not have a port they never use for aesthetics, dirt, and from a design standpoint it is easier. From a repairability aspect having it be a module is better as well. Its prob a crap DAC if you really want such a good experience the built in DAC likely wasnt gonna give it anyways, so now you would upgrade to a better module instead of having a crappier permanent jack.

The monitor is pretty easy to swap out. The bezel is magnetic and there are just like 4 screws you need to remove. Once you've done it once, it will probably take 15 minutes to swap out. Battery swaps are very easy.

Maybe it could be a future upgrade? I don't know the details of the video bus, but maybe?

@@PaulJimenez3 there's an option for that happening, yeah, afaik it's a simple eDP connection. but they're also yet to release a touchscreen option and the support for that has been there from day one, so while they have a great track record in general, there's currently nothing in terms of screen upgrades.

The modules are just normal USB-C adapters in a housing, so yes you can. LTT did a review of this as well and was dissapointed that the gpu output wasnt a full display port, then realised it was USB-C and the exixting display port module they had could just be plugged into the output on the rear (which isn't showcased in this video).

@@ChiefArug Nice. Cheers for letting me know.

I plan on using it to run Starfield, but I'm used to playing the game at 30 fps as I currently play it on an Xbox Series X. My definition of playable is probably a little different than yours. Still super excited for it.

As far as I know I believe drawings of the modules are available in some capacity. I know the community has been fairly active designing their own modules to fit needs/wants that others have requested.

The STL files for the module housing are free to download, and the USB-C connector specification is already open by nature. So is complete physical compatibility limited to Framework laptops for now? Yes. But you could use any module as a USB-C to whatever dongle on any other laptop and it works just fine.

@@spdcrzy I forget which video it was on LTT where Linus picked up a laptop and went I wish we could have an HDMI and then realized he had a framework dongle.

@@imark7777777 LOL. I remember. It's the ease of use and physical durability factor that makes them pretty damn awesome.

@@spdcrzy yeah. I'm trying to talk myself out from purchasing another laptop looking at that new FW 16, but..... I do need a new streaming computer OBS on the 2019 MacBook Pro is just not cutting it anymore. And Mac OS X is getting buggy features like a ridiculous settings panel and full screen mode that blanks out all other monitors. I seem to be moving to windows and Linux.

As you can with pretty much any laptop today that has usb c, all of those ports are readily available adapters in a proprietary case for the fw chassis

No it's not supported

I agree. With a number of tech companies, I would hear of products but not buy them, then they'd release a newer generation product with the features I want and I'd buy that. Reviews like these show that the Framework Laptop 16 has IMDA certification, which proves that Framework are working to sell their products to people in Singapore!! I do remember registering my interest on their website, and am still working on saving up for a Laptop 13 for if Framework were to ever make a Lenovo Yoga style tablet with pen and touch input and add an eraser head mouse.

​@@kbhasiThe cool thing is that the display connection is wired up to support touchscreens so there may very well be a touchscreen available in the future which I find so cool.

@@ilikepizza1275 Yep! I knew that from photos I saw online, including on iFixit and Framework's official service manuals. Framework having sent out production candidate (according to their latest newsletter) prototypes to publications like Tested and Linus Tech Tips to review them as pre-orders for production units open also allowed me to gather reference units for Framework Laptop 16 with US layout keyboard for a fan-fiction idea I had been working on as a side project, like with videos and photos I had seen of Framework Laptop 13 with US layout keyboard, and KZfaq user Cameron Gray's video of a Framework Laptop 13 with UK layout keyboard. Basically, as I currently picture my fan-fiction idea in my mind, a lot of the protagonists would use fictional laptops modelled after a mix of mostly Framework Laptop and IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad models.

yes you can buy display port modules.

Sweet. I do see a lot of potential for this if/when it gets opened up to third parties and mods by fans.

Doesn't even have to be a gen 2, the screen can be replaced in just a few minutes

@@davidboesen4400 yer tbf hopefully they release one you can swap in. Not sure about that keyboard flex either

@@tappD_oot yeah, they said they were looking into it since it seemed to be an outlier, but they haven’t really said what it is though. But according to the emails they sent, they are looking into it and if they find a solution, they will send out fixes to people who already have it by then and it will be applied to all later units

Different. The 13 and 16 appeal to different audiences - I found people who want smaller laptops very rarely would buy bigger laptops, and vice versa. Framework is launching the 16 to try to cover more bases

no, but fairphone has a pretty similar ethos

I expect to see a lot of diy clusters made out of old framework mobos in the future

@@13nillo my nerd heart is still so exited for all the jank new builds

You can, as well as every other part.