Adam Savage's Favorite Tools: Wiggler Machining Center-Finder

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This week's tool tip is about an esoteric machining tool that Adam has used a few times lately in his machining projects. It's a "wiggler" center finder, used on his lathe and milling machine to perfectly line up the tool with the center of a piece of round stock. Adam used it recently to calibrate his lathe tailstock, and it's one of those tools where learning its name was a revelation for Adam's journey as a machinist!
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@tested 4 жыл бұрын

Milling Machine "Wiggler" Centering Indicator: amzn.to/39SyspS

@derschwartzadder 4 жыл бұрын

That isn't a wiggler.

@Chewie6 4 жыл бұрын

Show the dogo

@ianmoone2359 4 жыл бұрын

Currently unavailable - they don’t know when it will be back in stock.

@Jambunctious 4 жыл бұрын

I feel that someone could make a 4 gauge wiggler that would tell you which of the axes (x,-x,y,-y) was causing it to be out. I suppose going even further would be that it doesn't 'wiggle' it would just show how much force was placed on that axis on the last rotation. I know it doesn't take long to calibrate but this would just make the process simpler and quicker wouldn't it?

@sebastiancardoso7264 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Adam if you are reading this please take a look to the láser aligner that Dan gelbart demonstrates in one of His videos, you probably Will go woww. Sorry for my so so English!

@robertreither6917 4 жыл бұрын

Hallo, Im a Service Engineer for CNC milling and lathes I use a Haimer Centro which is similar to your measuring device. (0.003mm centering accuracy) my tip don't let the spindle turn automatically. when centering move the spindle by hand, vibrations are avoided and more precise centering is possible. Thanks for your videos, greetings Robert

@chuckoneill2023 3 жыл бұрын

Robert - some of the instructions I’m reading are telling me that you need to use this with the spindle running - slowly - because the dynamics of the machine when static are not the same.

@robertreither6917 3 жыл бұрын

@@chuckoneill2023 Hallo, You are right and of course if the spindle is okay you should let it run low speed and center it. In Adam's case the noise/vibrations of the bad bearing let the indicator jump so it's not possible to differ between noise and offset. Best to fix the Spindel first 😉😁

@Tamonduando 3 жыл бұрын

I came to say this. It feels better to use it by hand first.

@PhongTran-gu6fb 3 жыл бұрын

U got run it at high speed

@PhongTran-gu6fb 3 жыл бұрын

Around 1200rpm just like a edge finder , it’s more accurate at high rpm

@elmergriffin8369 4 жыл бұрын

"Co-axial indicator" is the correct name or Coax indicator. There is a wiggler indicator but it is different looking.

@iliopsoasL5 4 жыл бұрын

"slow clap..." Well done.

@tracylemme1375 4 жыл бұрын

A wiggler is for centering a mark and is very useful. It can also be used as an edge finder. I have a coax indicator, but I use very little. I prefer an edgefinder if going only to a couple of thousandths. It is much faster for me. If greater accuracy is needed. I use a test indicator on an Indicol.

@williamknopp6936 4 жыл бұрын

But wiggler sounds better sooooooo

@vaderdudenator1 4 жыл бұрын

Yep, beat me to it. A wiggler is totally different

@dmbworks8094 4 жыл бұрын

"co-axial" and if you want to support an american company making them for about the last century look up Blake Mfg Co.

@cimmy02 4 жыл бұрын

its called a coaxial indicator

@ABoringTool 4 жыл бұрын

The wiggler, got it

@diggumsmack2 4 жыл бұрын

A wiggler is a different tool than what Adam was displaying.

@lpfreak1708 4 жыл бұрын

Yup, not a wiggler. Coaxial indicator

@ypaulbrown 4 жыл бұрын

Yes!!!

@alex0589 4 жыл бұрын

I thought “coaxial indicator” was the big letters on your old crt TV when the cable went out

@Nicoya 4 жыл бұрын

There's no better way to learn the correct name of a tool than to call it by the incorrect name multiple times on the internet.

@No1sonuk 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I was wondering why he thought a wiggler was "a little bit spendy" until I saw he was talking about a whole different tool.

@AndrossUT 4 ай бұрын

@@No1sonuk the wiggler goes on the end of the axial dial indicator. The dial indicator isn't the wiggler part.

@No1sonuk 4 ай бұрын

@@AndrossUT This is what I envisaged when he said "wiggler": kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iM6kdceS15rNhps.html

@No1sonuk 4 ай бұрын

@@AndrossUT In case my linked post doesn't go through: Google "wiggler centre finder" and you'll see what we mean about the wrong name...

@stepsinpairs 4 жыл бұрын

This video and the tailstock repair video were brought to you by Adam's word of the week: concentricity

@daanwilmer 4 жыл бұрын

It's the AWOW!

@bazzatron9482 4 жыл бұрын

I'm still not sure he knows what it means though. He occasionally uses it to describe one thing "the concentricity of this circle", rather than using it to describe the relationship between two things. It'd like saying "this line is parallel" - parallel to what???

@metalman6708 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah he uses it wrong though. You're not lining up the concentricity finding center. You can say these two turned diameters are concentric to each other. GD&T gets real complicated.

@jeepmanxj 3 жыл бұрын

Work in a machine shop long enough and you won't even think the word is strange.

@melody3741 2 жыл бұрын

@@metalman6708 a center point is an infinitely small circle concentric to another....

@hitwerterfinder4595 4 жыл бұрын

The "noise" in the meassurement is also caused by the surface roughness of the hole.

@amso9 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, Adam needs to lube the hole.

@hitwerterfinder4595 4 жыл бұрын

@@amso9 Best thing would be to touch of on the outside diameter of the part. Since it is a turned surface it will be more round and smoother.

@EvilGTV 4 жыл бұрын

@@amso9 Will still be lumpy, just lubricated. What he needs to do is give that hole a good reaming.... I hear lube can help with this process too.

@luluuk 4 жыл бұрын

Great comment. Was thinking the exact same, although some wiggle in the old spindle head system will add up too.

@yak-machining 4 жыл бұрын

@@EvilGTV 😂

@crawford323 4 жыл бұрын

Miss you guys and we still mourn Grant’s passing. Thank you for your spirit and the willingness to teach and share.

@kentsugden6865 4 жыл бұрын

Good video, just thought I'd share a tip: It's a lot faster when you don't turn on the mill. If you turn the spindle by hand it's much easier to tell where the high/low spots are and which way to move the table. Also that's a coaxial indicator. A wiggler/wobbler is a regular old edge finder.

@EvilGTV 4 жыл бұрын

Yep, that's how I normally use mine. High/Low in neutral for easier rotation, check at 180 degrees along one axis, split the difference, repeat on the other axis, then fine tune as needed. Very quick that way, and no chasing a test indicator around the mill, or mirrors.

@interex2050 4 жыл бұрын

What you have there is referred to as a co-axial indicator. Even the provided link has the correct title. A wiggler is a completely different piece of equipment, also referred to as a center finder (i.e. Starrett S-828H).

@interex2050 4 жыл бұрын

As an additional note, there is a more accurate (direct) and potentially cheaper way to do this. This involve using a mirror, test indicator and stand (although for small bores most test indicators will come with their own arbors). The idea here is that you mount either the indicator or the stand/indicator into the machine spindle and rotate the spindle by hand. As the indicator is swept along the rim of the bore the deflection of the indicator will show (use mirror to see the dial as it rotates around) the deviation from center (just like the co-axial indicator). Adjust as needed to center. The reason this method has the potential of higher accuracy is two fold, firstly there is no reliance on the accuracy of the co-axial indicator (some are just not all that accurate) and secondly a 0.0001" test indicator can be had for a reasonable price.

@ADBBuild 4 жыл бұрын

@@interex2050 If you use an indicator holder like an Indicol, you can orient the indicator flat with the dial facing up and then you don't need a mirror. I've never used a coaxial indicator I would call "precision". They all seem to be sloppy and inaccurate. A little bit of skill with a dial indicator is WAY faster/more accurate.

@interex2050 4 жыл бұрын

@@ADBBuild Excellent point, there are certainly many options that make the process more convenient. Though I was more alluding to that this can be done with tools that most will already have on hand (those with machine tools anyhow).

@classicbandgeek 4 жыл бұрын

This is a coaxial indicator or bore dial, not a wiggler. A wiggler is used like an edge finder or center finder

@glyph241 4 жыл бұрын

✅

@TheThomasCOOPER 4 жыл бұрын

Yup, whoever told him this is a wiggler is horribly wrong! Not enough wiggle in this doohickey

@noodles7011 4 жыл бұрын

You would think this clown would know what he is talking about before giving "tips"

@rmvdhaak 4 жыл бұрын

@@noodles7011 Kindly fuck off.

@ianmoone2359 4 жыл бұрын

Garrett Goodfellow Centre finder? Adam couldn’t find the cheeks of his own ass with both hands, if you loaned him a bloodhound to sniff it out and a mirror on a stick to view it! 😜😂😂😉👍

@plugemup8678 3 жыл бұрын

Faster is a "cone" to press into hole the center before clamping the part. Then the switch to edge finders to verify ;)

@daffyf6829 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent tip, thank you

@whateg01 3 жыл бұрын

That will get you close, and often close is close enough. However, if there is a burr on the edge, or if the surface you are dialing in isn't a complete circle, such as a hole through a tube, that won't work. Sometimes a coaxial indicator won't even work well in situations like that. A DTI in an indicol has never failed me. Coax indicators are pretty convenient sometimes, though.

@steveattree9674 3 жыл бұрын

I am no super machinist, but I still prefer to just indicate my holes. Is there an advantage to this coaxial thing

@daffyf6829 3 жыл бұрын

@@steveattree9674 if you've ever found yourself twisting awkwardly to see your indicator, that's when a coaxial is handy. It is more of a thing of convenience.

@archieval49 4 жыл бұрын

Personaly I prefer a vertical dial test indicator mounted on an "indicol" holder a lot faster and more accurate. Only time I use a co-ax indicator is when the hole is too deep.

@tiagolomar 4 жыл бұрын

Co axial indicator is very fast too...the correct use isn't showed in video.... I prefer to rotate the quill manualy and split the diference in one axis...much more faster

@aserta 4 жыл бұрын

Yup. Coax's are very particular in use. I mean, there's a reason, most kits come with rods that allow you to go up to 30 cm deep. It's a last resort tool, very twitchy. A last word (or other brands, but style) dial indicator is the tool for concentricity.

@orangedream267 4 жыл бұрын

@@aserta The only difference between a coax dial indicator and a normal dial indicator is that one is designed to sit in a rotating fixture. And both can be finicky, but it's up you to choose the correct tip and application of each. Also, you can check concentricity with a coax just fine, the tip just has to be able to reach both features. If your concentricity is good, your delta on the dial won't change (per feature). And that goes for both indicators. If you have a dial on a mag base that you've attached to the face of your spindle and you have the arm going literally everywhere in a 10ft cube around the machine (pretend for a moment the arm of the mag base can have as much length as needed to fill that cube and can move through solid objects) as long as that little tip can touch the two or more features you're checking (you can even move the arm to check the other feature because you're not moving X or Y on your spindle) you'll find out how concentric they are. This is the quick and dirty way. To do it the 'hoity toity' I'm-better-than-you way, you get yourself a CMM and check that shit like the lab rat you are. (I would probably take it to the CMM, because I like being precise)

@xenonram 4 жыл бұрын

@@tiagolomar It's a lot faster to do it while the spindle is spinning.

@Rhoxyerworld 4 жыл бұрын

Co axial indicators can actually be more accurate than a traditional indicator. Anything that is horizontal actually has a minute amount of drop when the shaft is not spinning. And to be honest anything other than a Blake is untrustworthy.

@Graywoolf25 3 жыл бұрын

Your hands on explanation are gold Adam. Please keep this tool tips videos coming.

@19jaredbarsuglia81 4 жыл бұрын

A “wiggler” is a different type of edge finder. This is a coaxial indicator. “Co-Axe”

@diggumsmack2 4 жыл бұрын

Oh how I wish he'd stop saying wiggler! A show with the viewership like this could change machine shop lingo for years! For the worse

@badreddinekasmi8919 4 жыл бұрын

@@diggumsmack2 That might be a little over dramatic. And he ask for the name so I'm sure he'll use the proper name after that.

@kennyc1375 4 жыл бұрын

The reason I love looking at Adam's comment section: someone will always answer everyone's curiosity.

@ArcticWind444 4 жыл бұрын

Cunningham's Law in action. :)

@noodles7011 4 жыл бұрын

You would think he would get his facts strait before giving "TiPs" I cant watch this clown any more. I'm glad I read this comment.

@dustinthewind357 4 жыл бұрын

That is so cool! When I was 12 ish I wanted make things, but I only had very basic tools. I now geek out when I see tools that would have helped me back then, and today. One day I will have a shop like Adam's!

@jonnyblaze_666 4 жыл бұрын

I'm a time served toolmaker,it's a lot easier with a dial test indicator on a swing arm

@Jackalbeez 4 жыл бұрын

I use the coaxial indicator in the mill and the lathe. It is a fantastic tool and is a "must have" for any machine shop.

@michaelmartin6032 4 жыл бұрын

The epic music as the needle got closer made this video. Thanks adam

@BBBILLY86 4 жыл бұрын

In your concentric part I can see touching off the od to find the center. This looks great for parts that have edges outside the bounds of quill movement or pre-existing holes with no concentric relation to the edges. Very cool

@S0K0N0MI 4 жыл бұрын

Life must be beautiful with so many wonderful toys to work with. You've won at living, Adam!

@ZippoVarga 4 жыл бұрын

I couldn't live without my wiggler. Being in the machining and industrial field most of my adult life, the right tool for the job is always your mind first, then the tool. Very well done Adam! Hats off to you my Friend. Cheers! Zip~

@gavey100 4 жыл бұрын

I can’t explain how much we all like these tool and one day build videos love from 🇬🇧

@daveco1270 4 жыл бұрын

Loved the dramatic music and slow camera push-in as the wiggler was being centered. Way to build some tension.

@kyfho47 4 жыл бұрын

Love all the shop videos, Adam. Keep them coming. I really miss my weekly dose of MB. It would really awesome if, in the future, you could have some of the old crew join you in the shop (Miss you Grant).

@jerryjohnsonii4181 4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting tool an thanks for the knowledge about this Wiggler machining center-finder , Adam !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@clubdjmarcus 4 жыл бұрын

A coaxial indicator, with the right accessories you can dial in not just in one plain but axial as well, so the center of a bore or outside cylinder along the z-axis.

@dominic6634 4 жыл бұрын

True- former machinist

@googleuser859 4 жыл бұрын

@@dominic6634 why would he lie?

@DieselRamcharger 4 жыл бұрын

@@googleuser859 most people are mistaken not liars. but the end result is still the same. the spread of false information.

@tiagolomar 4 жыл бұрын

@@googleuser859 he doesn't lie...he simple doesn't know how to use it and what this tool can do.....

@dominic6634 4 жыл бұрын

@@googleuser859 never said he did.

@FusionSource 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Adam, love your tool tips. I have been trying to organize my tools , inspired by your workshop. That center-finder tool is awesome, love the wiggler, lol.

@TheThomasCOOPER 4 жыл бұрын

You'd like an actual wiggler even more! They're super cool, simple, cheap and accurate.

@googleuser859 4 жыл бұрын

You should buy some of those spiral pointed taps he always talks about.

@hawkeye454 4 жыл бұрын

Adam's self-filmed videos are hands down the best.

@ABoringTool 4 жыл бұрын

Adam, I have over 69 years of experience with millin & drillin, and the official name for that tool is Mr. Wigglesworth. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

@kylekinsey2624 4 жыл бұрын

He goes by Wiggly. Mr. Wigglesworth is his father.

@montlejohnbojangles8937 4 жыл бұрын

Of the Hartfordshire Wigglesworths, naturally.

@PeterSmith-ls7ut 3 жыл бұрын

Not Mr Wiggly worm then ?

@bryanwanek46 9 ай бұрын

Just ordered one. Thanks Adam!

@aka_pcfx 4 жыл бұрын

My technique for this kind of center finder is to never have it run in a powered spindle. Only bad things can come from that. How I always explained it to the new guys/gals: 1. Set your machine to high gear or preferably neutral, so that you can spin it by hand easily 2. get the position roughly right 3. position the needle to trace a circle that's a bit bigger than the hole/smaller than the boss you are probing 4. bend it in and lower it into place 5. orient it in x+ and zero the readout 6. orient in x- check readout and position the table half it, then zero again 7. orient in y+ and position the table to zero 8. check your work (repeat 5-8 as necessary) fast, simple, precise. The biggest problem these things have is that they need a massive amount of z height, which at our machines was at a premium

@orangedream267 4 жыл бұрын

This is the proper way to do it. And for the love of metrology, don't run your spindle any faster than 20-25 rpm, your precision instruments will thank you. If you do it by hand, so much the better.

@deefdragon 4 жыл бұрын

to me, doing it up-powered feels both safer and more accurate as you can tune it like you would tune a 4-jaw.

@orangedream267 4 жыл бұрын

@@deefdragon what's safe about a running spindle with you or your hands near it. Safest: no spindle power, slightly unsafe: spindle under low speed 10-15rpm, Do not go any faster: 25 rpm (or you risk burning up indicator tips), okay-don't-touch-my-machine-anymore: this video. A spindle if it's bigger than a tiny toy servo or something Will Not Care that your finger got caught in the coaxial indicator. And it will rip it off. There's a reason some of the older machinists lack a finger or two.

@kentsugden6865 4 жыл бұрын

@@orangedream267 I'm assuming autocorrect dicked him and he meant un-powered

@orangedream267 4 жыл бұрын

@@kentsugden6865 I never ever assume near something that can rip my extremities off. Or electricity. 480V will happily kill you and it'll hurt the whole time you are dying. If someone says the machine is on, I'll take their word for it. If they say it's off and disconnected, I whip out a multimeter to check if they lied (and truth be told, if they lied about it being on as well, but there's a point I'm trying to make).

@FastSloW-qt8xf 4 жыл бұрын

Coaxials are life changing on the mill. And make fixing your lathe tailstock easy

@RoelfvanderMerwe 4 жыл бұрын

These videos are the only good thing to come out of this Coronavirus crisis. I dont want it to stop!

@CopperBurrito1 4 жыл бұрын

Love my Blake mic indicator. Must have for any machine shop. Also, so jealous of the auto chuck in that Bridgeport 😍

@Raynsideways 4 жыл бұрын

I really liked the progression of the last few videos. It felt like a story. First you set out to make the giant bolt, this causes an issue with the lathe tailstock, so the next video is you fixing the tailstock. Then, you use the wiggler to make sure the tailstock is centered, and the next video you did a tooltip on the wiggler! It really felt like a process.

@jimmccann3234 4 жыл бұрын

Besides the edge finder, the coaxial indicator is my go to tool when indicating my work, followed by a dial indicator. A decent new coaxial indicator can be bought online for about one hundred dollars.

@Matt__just_a_guy 3 жыл бұрын

man i love the sound of the chuck on that machine

@PaddyQuiggin 4 жыл бұрын

After seeing this on clickspring for SO MANY EPISODES it's great to finally know how it actually works

@DRrandomman22 4 жыл бұрын

Coaxial indicator. Also given enough time you'll fine a test indicator on a arm will bring you a more accurate indication but the coaxial is quicker.

@xenonram 4 жыл бұрын

The difference between a DTI and a coax will never reveal itself on his machine, with his skill set, making the parts he makes. The clamp on the right side is barely even clamping on the stock. (On the left at 1:30 ) He's never going to need to hold tenths.

@tompeppint.v.3803 4 жыл бұрын

Never seen anyone else use one. I was feeling old. I used it for finding center on diesel injectors in heads when re manning them.

@janvandemaas4148 3 жыл бұрын

I have always used and still use my British “ Verdict “ T8 dial test indicator “ 26 mm dial dia. It has an auto reverse stylus and swivel spigot. I have seen (and used only once ) these Co-Ex indicators but find them bulky an cumbersome and very expensive ! To clock out this ( rough ) hole with my Verdict would have taken me about 30 seconds or less ! Trust me ( 60 year experience as a toolmaker ) This way you don’t need all those different feelers for inside an outside ! If you want to go beyond the reach of this DTI you make a simple adaptor in which you can slide a rod and you would be able to clock out as far as you like and that includes square/ rectangular shapes. I might start a channel in the near future because watching this sort of thing frustrates the hell out of me but I respect you effort !

@billfroh3080 3 жыл бұрын

I prefer to spin the quilt by hand. Check the + and - side of the x and y axis'. If your hole is concentric you should have the same reading all the way around. If your hole is eccentric dial the + and - side of x axis to the same value and repeat for the y axis. This tool is also an excellent option for sweeping the head of your mill to guarantee it is perpendicular to your work peice, mill table or vice.

@jdeglers 4 жыл бұрын

When doing this on a Moore jig boring machine we used dial indicators. The machine has a spot to place a wrench for manually turning the spindle. Using a dial indicator that reads to 0.00005 we were able to dial in kerosine fuel pumps that had to be bored to 0.0001+/- diameter in a 1/5” gear pocket that was about 1” deep. It was nerve wracking work when I started, then the easiest thing ever once I’d done it 20 times!

@ErnestDuarte 4 жыл бұрын

I have a tool built by some old dude in his basement it's called Vyndicator and I absolutely love it to reset my centerline in my Y axis lathe. It's also nice to tram XZ & YZ in a mill.

@mathewhammond6843 4 жыл бұрын

We never used a stop to stop the gauge from spinning. That's smarter than just grabbing it.

@archieval49 4 жыл бұрын

7:02 shows why I don't.

@LCIsner20 4 жыл бұрын

If it was on the rod, instead of the tapered part of the base, I think it would have better results. Any thoughts?

@archieval49 4 жыл бұрын

@@LCIsner20 Yes it would. Me, I just keep on forgetting that its there. I'm afraid it might snap on the thread.

@BillJonesiii 4 жыл бұрын

I think I saw on the manual of the one I used that if you use high enough rpms, the dial is supposed to stay in place and not spin. That never worked out though so I ended up using one hand to turn the spindle and the other to steady the dial. Looks like the stabilizer bar setup is a better and safer setup.

@Marlfox570 4 жыл бұрын

@jaxonriddleAt my work, some of our older cnc machines don't have a fancy probe, so I've used a co-ax tons of times with a high level of precision spinning around 100 rpm. We often have +- 0.001" tolerances on certain features and a high quality CMM double checks our work. You just need to get a decent quality co-ax and get a good feel for using it, just like with any indicator.

@ChristopherAmrich 4 жыл бұрын

Fantastic editing on that slow zoom! The drama!

@sharkbaitsurfer 3 ай бұрын

People griping that it's called a coaxial indicator not a wiggler misses the point in my opinion - what is so engaging is the clarity of the explanation and enthusiasm that exudes from Adam's video. Adam thank you for a concise, entertaining and engaging explanation of using a device to perfectly centre over a hole and I literally don't care what it's called because I can google that part...

@davidjames1007 4 жыл бұрын

Coaxial indicator is what I know it as, I use mine on my lathe to check tail stock alignment as well as all sorts of other alignment on the mill

@Kurtaurus 4 жыл бұрын

It's a Diacator in Germany, love that word. My instructor made me familiar with it half a life ago

@philiplandgrebe2293 3 жыл бұрын

Such a joy to view any of the videos by Tested :D

@johndennis3181 4 жыл бұрын

I use the Renishaw probe set up on my CNCs... Life is so hard. But on the knee mills I like the indicol holder and test indicator, you can use this setup for edge fining as well.

@thewireninja 4 жыл бұрын

During the slow zoom in on the wiggler I turned off the volume and played the interstellar docking theme at full blast. It was great.

@hellbounddeciple 4 жыл бұрын

@adam Savage's Tested its called a Co-Ax. Wiggler is an old school tool that has multiple styles that can be used to pick up scribe lines, edges of blocks.

@rogerwhiting9310 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that. I would never known about wigglers and exact centers

@tommykelley7826 4 жыл бұрын

a coaxial indicator! i friggin love those things, they make life so good

@darringreen8630 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome Adam! If I ever can afford my own house, I want a full workshop and will splurge on a wiggler now.

@kayran5413 4 жыл бұрын

Saw these all the time on Clickspring! Good to finally see how exactly they’re used!

@diggumsmack2 4 жыл бұрын

Wish Adam got the nomenclature correct though.

@fuckyalife1892 4 жыл бұрын

Ok. I've watched you forever man. And a mill rebuild would be amazing. I would love to see you do one. Mostly because you go into deep detail. So that woukd be amazing So please do one

@matthewhelton1725 4 жыл бұрын

Keith Fenner at Turnwright Machine works has a couple of videos on rebuilding "Buffy" the Bridgeport Mill... worth your time.

@fuckyalife1892 4 жыл бұрын

@@matthewhelton1725 thanks man. I'll check it out

@iNerdier 4 жыл бұрын

The guy is great at many things but boy does he not have the patience or exactness necessary to rebuild a spindle.

@denny9931 4 жыл бұрын

@@iNerdier I mean you can learn anything, some things are just kind of expensive and maybe dangerous.

@matthewhelton1725 4 жыл бұрын

@@iNerdier Truth. Tool rebuilding is not to be rushed. I have a South bend Vertical Mill head to do in the near future...

@joost199207 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Adam, i'll probaly (maybe) never need this but it's very interesting.

@honda86tb 4 жыл бұрын

I use to use those every day milling wheel hubs. Great tool

@everythingquads 4 жыл бұрын

Been a manual and CNC miller for a few years now. I use a wiggler to find and edge and a .0001" DTI on an articulated arm to get the spindle concentric to the hole or OD of a round body. That a great tool though, should I stumble across one, ill be putting it in my tool box.

@Cinnabuns2009 4 жыл бұрын

We use Dial Test Indicators at work to do this quickly and easily. Decent ones run ~$80-125. Setup is as simple as using a regular edge finder and you don't power on the mill, just put it in neutral.

@ashlardarned2540 4 жыл бұрын

Please do more esoteric tool tips, even if they're expensive! I know that I don't know what's out there, and I want to know just in case it might solve a problem in the future!

@UncleKennysPlace 4 жыл бұрын

I had a 'chucking cone' used to get things on the mill _close enough._ It had a long taper, and fit into the R-8 spindle; you drop the spindle into the hole, it got within 0.002" if you were careful. And if your hole ain't round ...

@georgemosley6790 4 жыл бұрын

The surface smoothness, or lack there of also can add to the fluctuations.

@artifactland69 3 жыл бұрын

This is so insightful and fun to watch even though I probably won't ever use a mill!

@KipdoesStuff 4 жыл бұрын

One of my tests in my basic machining course was to use a dial indicator to center a piece of round stock in a 3 jaw chuck. Same concept except I was the wiggler.

@Dennio83 4 жыл бұрын

"The outside of the hole" 😂 I love this man so much.

@MrChief101 4 жыл бұрын

To get the last bit of tool prep out of the way before chucking your indicators-- my teacher taught me to run my finger inside the quill. Get any tiny chips or dust/hair out.

@msampson1949 4 жыл бұрын

great to see you learning like me, just about getting my cave operational so great to see yours, have a J head bridgeport have the x power gearbox, just powered the knee, what are you using on the drawbar to tighten and loosen looks neat thanks have tried looking through your videos to find it as when you got the machine i noticed it wasn't on there hope you can help if you have time to read this thanks sam

@JiuJitsuStuTru 4 жыл бұрын

Indicol and Indicator would do the job very well also. And you have one of the most important and useful tools in machining. You can reference from external diameter and indicate perpendicularity. Im sure the wiggler can be just as fast however with practice.

@gregoryfulton6721 2 жыл бұрын

Co-axial dial indicator. A wiggler is a tool several different nose pcs. indicator holder, edge finder and a point for picking up scribed locations or center punched locations

@MilesEnrico 4 жыл бұрын

So just to clarify, when I'm about to use a wiggler, I need to select a probe that's appropriately sized for the hole that I'm going to be using it on?

@cameronlarsen5510 4 жыл бұрын

That's super fucking cool and I really appreciate you showing us this unique tool. I'm no machinist but I do like working with my hands and I love to see the many many different ways that people get within their field's tolerances.

@mrmatt2525able 4 жыл бұрын

Love the machining videos!

@Craftlngo 4 жыл бұрын

shoutout to Clickspring. I learned there, what a wiggler does. I really hope he's continuing his work on the reconstruction of the mechanism of antikythera.

@williamwestonn 3 жыл бұрын

hey Adam, iv used the same style of Centering while milling and with your tool, getting around 0.01-0.02 mm should not be a problem :) I really recommend just using a micrometer with a magnet on a tool and just turn it by hand :) This is how you center milling for aircraft engines

@marley589 3 жыл бұрын

Set the speed low before loading the coax indicator could save a mishap. You can use the bar holder on the lower right of the quill casting to stop the unit from rotating. Insert a 1/4" rod & clamp with the thumbscrew. I like to keep magnets away from my vice as it can magnetize it slightly & affect the accuracy when using wigglers.

@bryanstanley25 4 жыл бұрын

I use a Blake coaxial indicator myself...they work great

@ronslaughterandalice1018 3 жыл бұрын

It's called a co-axis indicator and mostly used on Boring Mill work. Test indicator with mill head disengaged is faster picking up a hole free hand.

@jeremydoblinger3609 4 жыл бұрын

He may have miss spoke but he does have his own lathe and milling machine and manages to build and fabricate anything he wants. He's very talented..

@Airtube-2hrb 4 жыл бұрын

Nice vid Adam

@sentuhankecundang7351 4 жыл бұрын

ive been watching mythbusters on discovery channel since i was a kid and until now he had a youtube channel..man times flies

@Corbald 4 жыл бұрын

There's another kind of Wiggler, where you use the centripetal force from the quill to loosley position an arm along the axis of spin. It's for lining up with markup lines and punch marks.

@johntaylor1947 3 жыл бұрын

Adams name for it works. The wiggler is a easy way to tram in your mills head stock. I had a disk brake rotor turned with no lip left on the back side so the rotor lays flat on the mill table and the way rotors are turned cutting both sides simultaneously both sides are perfectly parallel so the long feeler of the wiggler can be set to run around on the rotors front / top surface. Their is plenty of surface so the rotor dose not have to be centered under the quill just close. It is a tool that is a must have.

@generalbismark7163 4 жыл бұрын

Dial indicators I personally think do the job just as well and really this thing is just a fancy specific use one

@SaturnCanuck 4 жыл бұрын

That was precise

@sliveredtongue 4 жыл бұрын

I don't know who chose the music to play over the wiggler/co-axe close-up, but it's kinda perfect and I respect that.

@ajdaters 4 жыл бұрын

Missed a chance to add the music from Interstellar - Hans Zimmer - No Time For Caution

@adrianblack7966 4 жыл бұрын

If that scene isn't the most exciting thing to happen in space since Ripley blew the xenomorph out of the airlock I'll eat my phaser!

@DeLewrh 4 жыл бұрын

great piece

@teamblacksheep- 4 жыл бұрын

Love your videos. Regards from canada

@davidharris8861 4 жыл бұрын

It is a coaxial indicator, and through all my years experience, you can save a lot of time by rotating it by hand to almost center it with in a half thousandths, of an inch, before turning on the spindle. I also found most of the sets, that the price is "affordable ", to the average person, the tips of the probes are plastic, and flatten very quickly. Blake coaxial indicators have all metal tips, and for extra money, you can even get carbide tips!

@TwennyGeee 4 жыл бұрын

In Maggie’s next life. She will be a master builder. Always listening. Always with Adam I think lol

@lhbeau1 4 жыл бұрын

"Coaxial indicator" is the name I've always used.

@woodyTM 4 жыл бұрын

I enjoy these videos

@weedfreer 4 жыл бұрын

they often use similar to make sure bits are centred correctly in tools used in manufacturing stuff like aeroplane engine parts.

@oSurgical 4 жыл бұрын

I love these videos 🙌

@edsmith2562 3 жыл бұрын

Great show! I bought my" co-ax" in 1979, it took a year to pay off. Used it thousands of times. Still it is only as accurate as your set-up.

@robertwinsper7409 5 ай бұрын

You have some slack in the vertical axis somewhere. You can see the grey body of the wiggler bouncing up and down relative to the background during the early phase of the actual "centre finding". It improves as you iterate towards the centre. That will exaggerate the needle movement if you have any roughness in the hole/ surface that you are setting the centre from.