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Perhaps the issue was the Endura edge got a little hot when it was ground. I’ve had edges perform better on the third sharpening then from the factory or first edge. Just a thought.

A most excellent video! Many people seem to have forgotten that a knife is for cutting with, and "test" a knife by hammering on it or hanging weights from it etc. etc.You know what a knife is for. I am enjoying your videos greatly.

It finally clicked in my head to learn how to sharpen a knife from watching your videos. I've tried in the past here and there but it was so bad I just made my knives worse. But since watching your videos and really thinking about it this time I finally got it. I have a knife that is the best I've ever sharpened in my pocket right now. It's so awesome. Does it cut arm hair? Nope. Can it slice through paper? Not even close. But it's the sharpest I've ever gotten a knife. I've wanted to be able to do this for so long. Now I can cause this channel. Thanks dude it means a lot.

In regards to the cardboard test... Maybe the Endura was only factory sharp, whereas the Sage 1 was Outdoors55 sharp?

What's going on is this: Don't compare apples to oranges. Sharpen your OOTB Endura 3 times to a defined angle, eg 17 degrees per side. Do the SAME with the Sage 1. THEN compare.

Nice video! Have you done a Ganzo review?

Can you test the endure 4 zdp 189 against the tenacious at 8cr13mov in an edge retention test and see how super zdp 189 is?

What I noticed in his testing is he uses the same sage 1 blade against all the other steels in the videos, and the results are the same. I'm wondering if the sage one was messed up by the factory or if it's a counterfeit and not actually s30v. To rule this out, he should buy a new s30v blade from blade hq and test that against the sage 1 in this video

Regarding the 5 minute mark comment on the steels and edges... The question of, "has the Sage been sharpened before?" has been stated in the comments so I don't want to rehash that. However, even though Spyderco does do a seriously good edge on their factory edges, let's face it they have to produce so many and don't always spend quality time on each individual knife. So a factory ZDP-189 may easily be duller, even from the factory, than a hand sharpened (even with a cheap sharpener, but done correctly) home blade. Spyderco is odd when it comes to their edges. My first Tenacious was so sharp to the point where I actually didn't use it for a few days because I was stunned at it. Next Tenacious I purchased was a gift for a friend and it was decent, but tore (not cut) paper... The only ZDP-189 I personally own from Spyderco is a mixed steel, Caly 3.5 the edge being ZDP-189, and that thing came from the factory like a laser... I tend to judge the paper cut test by sound and feel (as I think all knife nuts should) and that made me go, "oh damn, wow..." when it came out of the box. However, once a knife is in the hands of a good sharpener? Forget the factory edge (exception of course being if it is a custom knife). OUTDOORS55 has shown multiple ways in many videos on how to achieve and hold a good edge even without superior skills. Learning to sharpen is key, not buying a new knife all the time.

Interesting results. The enduras factory edge may have been slightly weaker than the Sage which you had worked on. After a sharpening the Endura edge was improved making it more robust? Ive seen it before on knives. Great job as usual bud👍

both preformed really well, i do like that endura alot but i think its mostly the blade shape and length. great vid as always bro!

Oh also the cardboard vs. Carpet test makes a lot of sense. ZDP-189 will preform better on you very very abrasive materials like carpet while S30V might have a slight edge in softer use tasks. It's kind of an interesting comparison. I think what's happening is that ZDP-189 has a crap ton of chromium carbides kinda like D2 while S30V has less carbides relative to ZDP-189 but the Carbides in S30V are Vanadium carbides which are harder than chromium carbides so the vanadium carbides will eat cardboard all day long no problem but the chromium carbides might end up being ripped out a bit more often during cutting but when it comes to the abrasive carpet kinda stars to tear out vanadium carbides and wear down the slightly softer steel while the ZDP-189 sure it's also wearing down but it has an advantage due to the sheer density of carbides. At least that's my guess :P. I'm not metallurgist and it's hard to really know what's going on with ZDP since the exact composition has never been published.

All cardboard as different densities different grit etc inside the same box very inconsistent. Probably the best way to test on cardboard would be to switch knives after every cut so they have a better chance of taking the same damage

In mass production cases grinding the factory edge very quickly may overheat the blade, causing it to be brittle. Resharpening the zdp-189 may have gotten it past some of the "burnt" edges. Some people have reported this problem before and I'd like to see if your endura becomes even tougher as you sharpen it more.

very good videos. I would like to see a wider test with the same blade lengths. thanks for putting this together.

Good test with curious results.carpet does dull knives very fast but what's surprising the padding the foam padding that goes under carpet will dull knives real quick as well.

Wanted to say that I enjoy your videos and hope you'll make many more in the future. I've recently purchased my first "real" sharpening stone (a Belgian blue whetstone) and have some cheap China made diamond stones for testing on their way (I managed to sharpen a ceramic knife with some sandpaper but it's not optimal to say the least...). With regards to the question in your video: It might be that your knife was sharpened or polished to a higher grit vs the factory edge. If i'm not mistaken - higher grit = longer edge retention.

Choices choices. Based on those test if you are a grocery stocker and cut boxes S30V. If you are a carpet layer ZDP189 but a razor knife would be optimal for either they are both FINE STEELS and I would be happy with either one Hint hint. Lol

Would really like to see you do a in depth axe sharpening video

Have you ever sharpened the blade on a leatherman before? If so, any tips?

for the first cardboard test... you previously sharpened the sage1 so it will most likely have the better edge retention. its all in the edge. you have to sharpen them with the exact same edge to compare them. the zdp189 will last longer with the same edge.

If you used the factory edge on both that's explains the results on the cardboard test, the two factory edges were not equal, those two knives don't even come from the same factory, the endura came from seki city, Japan and the sage from taichung, Taiwan. An edge retention test of two steels should have as close the same edge as you can make it.

Used carpet is worse because it has dirt and sand sunk into it. One long slice through old carpet dulled my Cold Steel Voyager in CTS-BD1 instantly.

Cool video. You do free hand sharpening right? I have a kme sharpener and have done tonnnnnsssss of knives on it but I am happy to say I finally just did my first free hand sharpening on my dad's chef knife and was successful! Pretty excited. I tried free hand a while back but didn't understand what had to be done to get a sharp knife so it was a fail. But I'm pretty pumped to get some bigger stones and do some more kitchen knives and maybe some folders. Any tips on what size stones would be best? I know what grits.

Have you ever tried the King KDS Japanese whetestone? I'm really curious what your take on it would be cuz it's actually super cheap and works like a dream. I'm just curious to know what you opinion would be on tradition Japanese whetstones. I personally adore mine of course.

Did you sharpen the endura 4 or the sage 1 at all? Maybe even sharpen one and not the other, that might be why the sage beat the endura in the cardboard test but since they were equal after the same sharpening the endura beat the sage

Cool video my one question I would have is where both knives factory sharpened that may play a little bit of difference although I don’t really believe there is a ton of difference with all these higher end steels to some point I believe it more marketing than one steel is better than the other

Great video Alex. Keep them coming

Is the sage 1 new or have u sharperd it not factory edge

Do you think the factory edges could be different? That could explain a bit about the cardboard test.

It's a fun comparison. I thought the ZDP would perform way better. Is it due to the blade on the Endura is thinner maybe? I don't know but thanks for the video.

I remember looking at my stretch zdp from the factory and there were still evident grit lines despite it being hair whittling sharp. That refinement level, plus the combination of heat in removing the burr in factory makes a huge difference. Like others have said, if you had sharpened both from scratch you should have had more matched results. Also, I have found with both steels, it takes a few sharpenings before the steel really settles. I hated the s30v on my leatherman when I first got it, after a year of use though, it balanced out. The grainyness of both steels IMO can suffer from heat damage at the factories depending on the grits used, also they do have different grain sizes in general anyway. I am hoping my zdp balances out more, because although it's nice right now, I feel it could be better. Also, one more observation, the length of the blades themselves makes a difference to the grain direction being forced upon the edge, It's a subtle difference maybe only a few degrees, but a burr at the microscopic is basically tinfoil waiting to be crumpled...it was a little hard to tell, but your technique in the actual slice changes depending on which knife you are using, (would be easier if you showed a few slow cuts first on the s30v) So combine those two new elements, different slice methods, and different slice angles due to the shorter geometry... I think possibly the zdp cuts were straighter too? not cutting through as many cross stich fibres? Not sure about that though. These are all things that make a huge difference, but all in all, I expected about the results you got. But that is in part because I believe the zdp has yet to balance out a bit through sharpenings.

Alex The Stihl rollomatic chain needed adjustment i think LOL. Close call on the 2 knives. Excellent testing Stay sharp brother.

Both are great knives, wouldn't be wrong with either one

Edge geometry and blade shape are lay Big role in performance of a nice perhaps that explains the slight difference in edge retention.

I think the the thicker blade on the sage plays a role in the retention it's easier to wear down a thinner edged knife like the endura

Maybe the carpet was a more consistent material, as cardboard has lots of stuff that make it tough on edges, Maybe the material in the cardboard is not as evenly distributed..??

i dont even care about this stuff but your editing kept me to the end

Nice work, you should check out cedric and ada outdoors, he does edge retention tests as well and has done a ton of steels.

Damn if the knife Steel 'Letters' get longer or More Confusing I might go crazier than I already am!😵 I remember when a Good knife was 440HC! I have S30V and D2, 154CM, 13Mov, All are Good Enough for Me. And the only Spyderco I've had Was the Native which made me feel guilty for paying $56, I looked at your Link's and still can't believe those prices, I'm old, I think I'll start yelling at kids to get off the grass now 😲

Your opinion what's the best knife under $50

The difference in the first test is most likely due the fact that your sharpening on the sage was better then the factory edge on the endura.

Would you mind reviewing the BlizeTec survival knife? It’s a 5 in 1 setup.

Other than a matter of pure trust, it seems impossible to know what a blade is made out of. While Kabar is probably not going to drop below inexpensive 1095 for their classic fighting knife, companies struggling to stand out and eek a profit in a crowded market just might save some money subbing in a lesser material. Who would know? They wouldn’t even need to be culpable-they could simply buy from the cheapest supplier and get what they get.

Thanks for the video very much appreciated 👍

Why are benchmark and spy de r Co knives so expensive?!?!?

Perhaps it’s the edge geometry, the edge angle could be to low or the edge bevel is to wide and doesn’t give it good strength and edge retention. Anthony ✌️❤️😊

Compare to a Case CV see the results

Do you have an opinion on the Endura 4 with the VG-10 blade? Seems like those are available for a good price these days. I was considering picking one up to keep in my pocket while working in my shop. Thanks.

Hi love your videos but can you help me sharpen my blades i just bought a BearMoo double sided whetstone with 400 and 1000 grits and i am having trouble keeping an angle i have watched both of your videos to help but i still having trouble I dulled the blade that is a 440c stainless steel and i got an almost shave sharp blade i would love some tips thank you in advance

LOL A chainsaw?? Been considering the Spyderco Para military, that has the Cpm_S30v blade, for my next addition. Timing of the video was perfect, to have me second guessing that lol

Wish they still made the caly

The sage probably did better because it was most likely sharper.

Have you ever tried to sharpen cards? Gift cards, playing cards, waterproof playing cards(bicycle Prestige are the best waterproof playing cards I've seen)

You need to cut a more consistent media

As always good content

Do you sell the knives or trade after tests are complete? Cause looking for a used endura in zdp

This was a good idea

Do me a favor man: put a pair of gloves one, then pinch between thumb and index of both hands the ZPD-189 blade and try to "SNAP IT IN TWO PIECES" (i already did... It have the same resistance of glass... No kidding...); IT WILL SHATTER WITH NO EFFORT! I really hate ZPD-189; it amaze me that no one got injured until now.

The sage is thinner behind the edge

MORE LEVERAGE WITH THE ENDURA, SO FELT RESISTANCE IS LOWER

I also got an endura zdp the factory edge came shaving sharp but didn't last long till stop cutting paper, the real difference was when I sharpened it and polished the edge that gave me a freaking long last cutting performance. Also I lowered the angle to 13 degrees it got amazing

ZDP a "super steel"? That's a stretch.

yo, i heard one thing, that you are able to sharpen your knives edge by sharpening it on the back of second knife, i dont think its true so maybe you might test it :D

And i like the german cainsaw of yours (im german )

I`m really confused now.

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Are you sponsored by spiderco?

First like 👍 😂