Testing Process Update: Nielo vs. Cold Steel Messer (Plus Outtakes)

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The Nielo Swords Langmesser:
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The Cold Steel Grosse Messer:
ww4.aitsafe.com/go.htm?go=kult...
What I've found so far:
The Nielo messer has far superior handling characteristics, a more complex guard, more comfortable handle, better finish, and a harder blade. Both are disappointingly dull. The CS messer has a stronger guard and is overall sturdily built (aside from the soft steel) and costs about half as much.
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@edi9892 7 жыл бұрын

"cold steal the worlds sharpest knives"...

@SKy_the_Thunder 7 жыл бұрын

I mean... The chips protruding from the edge looked pretty sharp to me...

@edi9892 7 жыл бұрын

***** I got a CS Shamshir. It is reasonably sharp and of good steel, but the fittings are atrocious. I had to add a cord wrapping to protect my hand. CS in general has quite good blades, is overpriced and has one of the worst quality controls. Kult of Athena does a second QC on CS, but they suck at it too indicating how many of the CS products are trash.

@randomguy3281 7 жыл бұрын

Well that's a statement about knives, not swords. Their swords are bad, we all know this, their a lot of their knives (politics aside) are actually objectively good. And to be impartial and fair, they dropped the "worlds sharpest" slogan a year or two ago.

@chiu20044b122 7 жыл бұрын

Random Guy It's funny though since a messer is technically a knife but the one in the video is as dull as a butter-knife.

@TheTaleForge 7 жыл бұрын

I've been told that their Japanese style blades are much better, likely because they have more competition at their general pricepoint in that market.

@User-yr1un 7 жыл бұрын

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@RKcousins625 7 жыл бұрын

User 116661 Check out Scholagladiatoria as well. Also an amazing channel!

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RKcousins625 I looked it up. thanks for the suggestion, this is a new genre I've discovered and it's certainly a favourite of mine thanks.

@Pertinax193A.D. 7 жыл бұрын

User 116661 Scholae Gladiatoria,Metatron, Shadiversity,Knight errant and espacialy Lyndibeige

@SuperJhon360 7 жыл бұрын

User 116661 I agree lindy beige is a good one he has amazing history storys and great anecdotes. plus hes a nerd like most of us he does hema, plays dnd and does ball room dancing

@User-yr1un 7 жыл бұрын

Ben Schneppensiefen woah there's so many of them this is such a cool thing that I've discovered thanks

@danielyakovlev8553 7 жыл бұрын

Skall, please make a debunking video about the cold steel youtube channel. It would be fun to watch

@majorhippo2772 7 жыл бұрын

I think Skall already did something like that with their website and there was a lot of repercussions because of it.

@renegadewolf961 7 жыл бұрын

Daniel Yakovlev I second that motion!

@dasschadenfreude7333 7 жыл бұрын

He doesn't need to. The rest of the internet can do that just as well. Lynn Thompson is not a popular dude. The CS brand is basically like the Tap Out of the knife community at this point.

@dasschadenfreude7333 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, except for the part where half the knives I've ordered with them have totally uneven grind lines on the blade as well as lopsided edge geometry. The only thing they used to do well are their ultra premium (dare i say overpriced) swords and bowies, and their older rubber handled machetes. Otherwise, they're well below the quality of comparable Kershaw or even Boker knives in most cases. Lynn Thompson is an ass. Not to mention they're harassing a lot of my blacksmith friends for making San Mai laminate steel because of "trademark infringement" when they clearly only hold "San Mai III" as their trademarked San Mai. It's bully tactics. Not to mention most of my blacksmith friends probably can produce better steel, better grinds, and superior heat treatment.

@rustyspurs771 7 жыл бұрын

Cold Steel was quality when I was a kid. Ever since then every thing I have gotten from them is of progressively poorer quality.

@BadVideoWatcher1 3 жыл бұрын

The cold steel messer in this is from their man at arms series, which is a much cheaper (in both price and construction) version of their normal weapons. I have the original messer from them and honestly I'm a huge fan of it, been using it for nigh on six years and with a bit of matience it's still a solid piece

@niemandkeiner8057 7 жыл бұрын

Now CS messer looks like some kind of barbaric orc weapon, all chipped and banged

@FrozenLemur 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the awesome video Skall! Its always nice to see swords that are closer to your average person's budget.

@robertcasamassa4564 7 жыл бұрын

You do great reviews! Even if I'm not super into what's being discussed, I still enjoy thoroughly. Keep up the great work!

@Yargol13 7 жыл бұрын

We need more outtakes on a regular basis. Laughed so heartily it made my day. ;]

@pingasmahboi1559 7 жыл бұрын

Master Skall, please release a collection of miniature weapons! I never saw something as this in the market before, you are the only one who can guide the craftmans in the process of making high quality miniatures!

@AnnapolisvalleycleanersCaC 7 жыл бұрын

miniture weapons? ru playing warhammer?

@Mr.Buttons928 7 жыл бұрын

Skall thanks for the outtakes, gave me a good chuckle. I have had the same experience when recording V/O for work sometimes the brain refuses to cooperate.

@kkgauthier 4 жыл бұрын

This Cold Steel Messer that you are using seems to be part of some new line, made of an entirely different steel, dull and black. It seems to share only the general shape with the version that I purchased years ago. It was bright and shiny, insanely sharp, and tough as nails. Ten years later, it is still pretty damn sharp, without any further honing and some pretty abusive cutting.

@vanillaflavoured5735 7 жыл бұрын

a shit coldsteel product ? wow.. what a surprise...

@theaussiebogan9680 7 жыл бұрын

shocking right?

@samb7805 7 жыл бұрын

i think everyone got the *point* of it already.

@lastdingo 7 жыл бұрын

What country is he from? I thought he's German judging by the accent, but he sure didn't pronounce "Kriegsmesser" ( 0:22 ) the German way (he used the English "r").

@theaussiebogan9680 7 жыл бұрын

Jürgen Sven Fuchs he lives on Canada. Not sure if that's where he originally came from

@Ne1vaan 7 жыл бұрын

He was German, then moved to Norway, then to Canada. Pretty easy to get your accent sounding a bit atypical when you move around that much.

@MagickPistacho 7 жыл бұрын

Gosh, that edge damage on the Grosse Messer! I wonder how much work would be needed for a proper cutting edge suitable for the upcoming tests... Great video as always, and thanks a lot for those outtakes, I've had a kinda rough day and they have uplifted my spirit =)

@kaidrescher6321 7 жыл бұрын

What a shame, i really liked the Cold Steel one's design

@Sandalphonium 7 жыл бұрын

Form vs function.

@MonteKristof 7 жыл бұрын

To each bis own! But can you explain what attracted you to it? It seemed so ugly to me. No finess whatsoever, not a detail, mat black steel like if it was a tactical wrapon make it, to me, loose all its apeal of a medieval weapon.

@Phaedon 7 жыл бұрын

i like the CS messers blade shape, to bad they didn't make it out of some better steel. But the handle and guard in my opinion are appalling.

@kaidrescher6321 7 жыл бұрын

Lucky 7th Fair answer buddy. To be fair i myself really liked the mat black steel, not exactly a true reason behind it to be honest, im a huge fan of both single edged swords and two handed swords, that's why the messer is one the swords i find the most appealing, and the Nielo looks closer to a regular longsword in that regard (regular longswords are still really cool though!) and the more simplistic guard looks nicer to me since, while i admit fancy guards are pretty nice, they are not so much my thing. you are totally right by the way, to each their own

@HeyItsFreeman427 7 жыл бұрын

Nero Black no distill taper is a dead giveaway that little effort was put into actually making the blade balance decent though.

@ROSIntake 7 жыл бұрын

Fuck, I don't even care about swords and I'm subscribed to this channel for a couple years. I just find him so entertaining to listen, especially outtakes. Keep it up!

@lejonhjarta3355 7 жыл бұрын

Liked the video, loved the outtakes! Great job as always!

@jotrachsel 7 жыл бұрын

wow cold steel not looking so hot

@biggiemediumz 6 жыл бұрын

John Trachsel Their messer is garbage, shitty steel they used

@matthewpham9525 4 жыл бұрын

Shitpost Bot The steel used is generally good, Cold Steel just can’t get the heat treat right.

@stephenhowell7029 3 жыл бұрын

Great Video! Loved the outtakes! Thank You!

@richstone2627 7 жыл бұрын

Another great review. Love the outtakes. Thanks

@josuelservin2409 7 жыл бұрын

Glorious outtakes indeed!

@TheriaultDave 7 жыл бұрын

Hey Skall, adding outtakes at the end of the video was a great idea, I loved the concept, made me laugh a lot, more of that please :)

@giovani9739 7 жыл бұрын

5 minutes ago, already 2 dislikes? This video is 15 minutes long!

@WheatY0 7 жыл бұрын

every youtuber has people who subscribe to them just to dislike their videos, just how it works

@SKy_the_Thunder 7 жыл бұрын

"I don't care if you hate my videos; if you watch them regularly, you're a fan." ;)

@magnus6802 7 жыл бұрын

Salty cold steel fans

@stitchowi 7 жыл бұрын

Giovani Rodriguez-Ceja WELL was more likes, so can't judge THE haters

@Frostarrowsz 7 жыл бұрын

More people will blindly like a video before watching than blindly dislike, so don't worry about it.

@DVS-rb9wn 7 жыл бұрын

Gotta love the outtakes, and very informative video

@federico033 7 жыл бұрын

Just got love the involuntary eye roll from Skall when he mentions Cold Steel

@nealsterling8151 7 жыл бұрын

Love those glorious outtakes!

@millmo69 7 жыл бұрын

Love the ending, MORE GLORIOUS OUTTAKES FOR THE PEOPLE

@p4riah 7 жыл бұрын

Cold Steel STILL hasn't learned what distal taper is, after all these years? ...how. -_-

@alexsola8023 6 жыл бұрын

Didn’t get a chance to listen with audio but your consistently great content so put it on to like and comment anyway. Stay great skal!

@alexsola8023 6 жыл бұрын

I’ll watch it proper later

@longrider42 7 жыл бұрын

I have the original Grosse Messer from Cold Steel, very sharp, and yes the guard on mine did come loose, but I shimmed mine with old Exato knife blades and some super glue. Been 5 years since the repair and still tight. The Cold Steel Messer I believe is made from 1055 carbon steel and yes mine has way to fine an edge for sword on sword work. But I still love it.

@JustGrowingUp84 7 жыл бұрын

When you showed close-ups of the edges, I was unpleasantly surprised by how thick they are. They look more like a back edge than a cutting edge...

@Skallagrim 7 жыл бұрын

Exactly, that's the problem.

@breaden4381 7 жыл бұрын

TheFilthyCasual When paper cuts better than a sword 😑

@creaturecreator26 5 жыл бұрын

Did you back Little devil inside? I see a profile that looks strikingly similar here on KZfaq and on Kickstarter.

@lostsoul7345 7 жыл бұрын

neat starcraft shirt skall

@Friidom2 7 жыл бұрын

The resulting edge damage is caused by harder steel hitting softer. The harder cuts the softer as you mentioned. Steel used might also be different between the two swords. Different temper of course causes different hardness too..

@roundishwhale 7 жыл бұрын

I absolutely loved the outtakes :D

@stephancaputa1464 5 жыл бұрын

me watching the outtakes: "keep going. you'll get it, buddy!"

@TheJoe999Man 7 жыл бұрын

I've noticed that the blacked out versions of their swords (MAA versions) like the one in this video are shit compared to their original models with the polished finish, those come out of the box razor sharp. I can't say the same for blacked out, cheaper MAA lineup.

@bapro1715 5 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g5edaMqZltrIZXk.html

@shockwave6213 3 жыл бұрын

The MAA Arming Sword was very good for me and uses high quality 1090 high carbon steel as advertised. But perhaps its good because they don't offer a polished model. Which is fine by me because I disassembled mine, removed the bluing with white vinegar and salt, then polished the parts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Wildwestwrangler 2 жыл бұрын

@@shockwave6213 no it uses 1055

@CrazyeyesDark 7 жыл бұрын

I used to not like messers much, but now I've fallen in love with them. Honestly, I cannot get enough of them. Something about their shape, the fact that they have one edge - I wish I had one, and I wish I could join a proper HEMA group.

@bigkingcurd 5 жыл бұрын

Just discovered your videos and I’ve got to be honest. Despite my usual trepidation at watching what are usually cringe worthy posers pretending that they have a clue about the subject matter, I discovered that you sir, are quite knowledgeable. Immensely enjoyed your video. I shall be watching further. Great work.

@jewelgem8074 7 жыл бұрын

Great review, very helpful. I think more videos on axes would be interesting. Keep up the good work. : )

@13bravoredleg18 7 жыл бұрын

I have used a Cold Steel Viking Hand Ax for a year now. I've put it through hell and it has taken a lot of punishment! Still very happy with it's performance!

@Sheilawisz 7 жыл бұрын

I would love to watch a video of two Albion Knecht getting the same edge vs edge torture seen in this video, just to see how much they chew each other up. Or maybe an Albion Ringeck vs an All Terrain Chopper from CS, let's see how much damage the Albion takes.

@thedon7528 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know!

@nemezzyyzz 7 жыл бұрын

Your shirt is awesome skall, great video :D

@TehPh1L 7 жыл бұрын

Cool Video as always! And the outtakes were quite hilarious 😂 Just one thing I don't know how much time you got to make these videos but I think it would make them even better if you add closeups shots of the blades after they were damaged :) pls don't take this as an offense or anything! But if you do not have the time to add them it's fine and the videos are always interesting to watch

@samuelwhitmee9394 7 жыл бұрын

"Uploaded 30 seconds ago"

@smith1008 7 жыл бұрын

damn...

@rpaulisan 7 жыл бұрын

your youtube is better than mine

@MonteKristof 7 жыл бұрын

Your tube-fu is strong

@TheArizonan 7 жыл бұрын

The outtakes were great! haha!

@theoneka-chow3250 6 жыл бұрын

I love you're outtakes please show more!!!!!! Please!?!?!?

@jonathanmartinez317 7 жыл бұрын

Yes Skall I too would like your opinion on a good fur table! One strong enough to hold my many tut catomi mats. Also I love that wicked seriation job you did on the cold steel messer! Top notch video as always 👍

@RoniDraws 7 жыл бұрын

loved the outtakes XD

@thecuckoosnest1582 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Skall! I know it wasn’t available at the time of you releasing this video but Condor has recently made their own set of messers; grosse and langes forms respectively. I was really just wondering if you could maybe just take a look at them? The price is fairly low as well and quite honestly, I’m looking into options for a good messer. Well, either way, thank you for the videos and keep doing what you’re doing!

@vfmadd231pd 7 жыл бұрын

These outtakes were so funny x'D OMG I'm dying rn 😂😂

@strategicbushcraft6391 7 жыл бұрын

Really good information! I am glad the Cold Steel Products I bought are better than that one is, but the softer 1055 steel can be a problem for a lot of their swords. I am also interested in the Cold Steel rapier.

@bladeric101 7 жыл бұрын

Love your shirt! my life for Aiur!

@jovicagasic98 7 жыл бұрын

love the outakes!

@AnnapolisvalleycleanersCaC 7 жыл бұрын

keep up the awesome work

@DreadnoughtAdventure 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the heads-up !

@Pudding9221 7 жыл бұрын

Oy Skall, Fabri Armorum also makes messers. You could check them out since they are around 180 dollars.

@Skallagrim 7 жыл бұрын

They are blunt, for reenactment. Not what I'm looking for.

@christopherwilliam3615 7 жыл бұрын

Hey Skall, I was just wondering... where do you get your mats for cutting? What do you use? I'm wanting to do some practice with my new Albion Norman and I was thinking using pool noodles, lol. Would that work, or do you have a better recommendation?

@MrSquadallah 7 жыл бұрын

I love outtakes, put them in more videos Skall

@uwmquest5884 7 жыл бұрын

Did you ever go on to review the sharpened Nielo messer? I'd be really interested to know how it cuts.

@WhiteKitta 6 жыл бұрын

both of those are so nice...

@Zbakka 7 жыл бұрын

Hey, Skall, could you please do at least a minor video on the process of you altering the edges of the two Messers? I own the Nielo Messer and was wondering all that it would take to put a proper edge on it. In any case, love your channel. Keep up the good work.

@ruinmaniac1411 7 жыл бұрын

afferbable

@shrekas2966 7 жыл бұрын

Powerknolle Toffel nice avatar

@GasAirSpark 5 жыл бұрын

Cold Steel sell two variants of their messer one in 1055 carbon, the other in 1060. Do you think there would be a significant difference between the two?

@4020DonRocco 7 жыл бұрын

More outtakes please.. lol those are fun

@Flash_of_Green 7 жыл бұрын

@Skallagrim what is it about a Messer that makes it appeling? Is it its style? ->( the shape of the blade and or the waye it's used) it's oragin? Please let me know.

@supersendojarren 7 жыл бұрын

I've been very interested in this. so colds is made solid but in other aspects the steel is harder?

@zezenoske 7 жыл бұрын

well damn, i was actually considering getting one of the cold steel messers, gotta rethink that a bit methinks.

@Askorti 7 жыл бұрын

Those outtakes remind me of when I had to record myself saying complicated sentences for English phonetics classes at university. After several unsuccessful attempts it gets more and more difficult. :D

@Alpha.Phenix 7 жыл бұрын

Can we one day just get an outtakes montage? Please I need it!

@Jo_Kuiper 6 жыл бұрын

I have a question; what do you think about a Toledo steel ninjato, I do have one, but I just want to know what do you feel about Toledo steel swords in general.

@JavierLastiri 7 жыл бұрын

I am thinking of buying a medieval sword on the AtheaKult site, and I saw that the swords of Cold Steel have decent prices. What sword would you recommend me if I like Bastard Swords?

@fin5935 7 жыл бұрын

Skall if you had to participate in a medieval battlefield engagement what kind of equipment would you prefer to use (weapons, armour etc.)?

@Clockdrive 7 жыл бұрын

I just got the cs maa messer and it seems like the "bluing" is.. wearing off? Did they actually process these blades or did they just paint them?

@ethanknight3970 5 ай бұрын

your cold steel messer is the man at arms version of the same grosse messer they sell, it is made with 1050-1055 spring steel were their original grosse messer is made with 1060-1065 spring steel. If the messer you have that is more sword-like is made with 1060-1075 spring steel, you have proven how much a difference it makes to have the higher grade carbon steel. The ronin katana model you showed is actually a good representation of medieval two-handed falchions that deserves a video on its own.

@phillipnunya6793 5 жыл бұрын

Hey Skall, could you check out the Cold Steel Italian long sword some time? Cold Steel can be hit or miss depending on the model you buy and the year it was made. The Italian long sword looks good from what I can tell, but it would be awesome to see it under the microscope.

@pillagius 7 жыл бұрын

Hey! Skall in Jackie Chan mode! These outtakes are awesome! :D

@CKMmusician19 4 жыл бұрын

Any thoughts on the 32" condor gross messer? Comparable with the cold steel?

@SibylleLeon 7 жыл бұрын

Great video overall, but the outtakes had me rolling on the floor xD

@lordjs9726 7 жыл бұрын

Fun outtakes. Reminds me of outtakes in another video "I tested the strength of the tip."

@robburlington9737 7 жыл бұрын

not sure how much of a difference it makes but you bought the man at arms edition (the cheaper one). i have a regular cold steel messer and its incredibly sharp. i don't know if the machining or the steel is different though, haven't taken it cutting.

@kasnitch 7 жыл бұрын

those are the best branch breakers I've seen in some time

@murkrow1360 7 жыл бұрын

Hey I was wondering if you could go over the design and effectiveness of the halo energy sword

@gabrielpottebaum5249 6 жыл бұрын

Could you check out the condor messer and grosse messer? I'm curious about those.

@lorenzogiani7190 7 жыл бұрын

If you can unscrew the pommel, they are good weapons.

@joeblack363 7 жыл бұрын

Lorenzo Giani I scrolled down in the comments just to see if I could find a overused pommel joke.

@lorenzogiani7190 7 жыл бұрын

Same. Give me likes

@joeblack363 7 жыл бұрын

I got you on a like bro

@joeblack363 7 жыл бұрын

Sounds fun^

@lolyganster 7 жыл бұрын

Revival of Radditz sounds like material for a third movie. The Revival of Radditz. SSGSS Radditz!

@artoriosvii6801 7 жыл бұрын

Would you just be able to weld the guard to the tang or would that warp it too much or something? Obviously that wouldn't look great but that seems like it wouldn't be too terrible to look at. I'd like to get a messer at some point and the lange messer seems like it would be the best option and I'd rather not have a hilt that comes loose :/

@thomaswilkinson3241 7 жыл бұрын

Hi from Germany, and a question if I may. Did you ever manage to cut a branch, as thick as a mans lower arm bones, with one cutstroke or was there never an edge sharp enough yet. Mind, I saw a lot of your videos, but might have missed the one showing what I wanted to know and see. Love your work.

@Skallagrim 7 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing you missed this one: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/armKmpp3tcfOlJ8.html

@thomaswilkinson3241 7 жыл бұрын

Not missed, but forgot about it. Awesome sword that Norman blade. Thank you.

@juanpablogonzalezs.v.8319 7 жыл бұрын

Awesome video!! hey i know you hate (or dislike) doing fantasy sword reviews but can you do at least something like it because seeing what very wrong with swords made it really easy to learn. its one of the reasons i first subscribed to you. But like always i love you videos keep up the good work!

@Veni-Vidi-Vini 7 жыл бұрын

Perhaps a little late to the review (or you might have mentioned it, only two minutes into the video), but did you ever see the Ronin katana kriegsmesser? (gods, that was confusing to type) I only even saw it recently, and was curious since you liked their viking sword. I wonder how their sub-300 dollar messer would do. Perhaps a good idea for a future video!

@LookingGlass69 5 жыл бұрын

Who makes the sword at 1:29? Can't find anything on the name Rounan/Ronan

@rasiabsgamingcorner2258 7 жыл бұрын

is ther a way you can retemper the cold steel blade and maybe fix the edge weakness

@ThiLI0n 7 жыл бұрын

What about the lutel-handicrafts stuff? I'm always looking to see someone else check it out so I know what to think about it...

@Ryu_Makkuro 7 жыл бұрын

I'll be honest, I enjoyed the outtakes more than the actual video itself (it's not like I didn't enjoy the actual part, just less). You should do some compilation of those outtakes when possible instead of just "shift+delete".

@horrorhouse16 7 жыл бұрын

is it possible to sharpen the spine so you can use it as a falx??

@Alex-K94 6 жыл бұрын

You should compare the cheap and the regular cold steel messer. I bought the regular one. It came razor sharp. Shaved my arm a little with it. 😅 Anyway I was very happy with the product.