In this video, I showed how to test and characterize unknown signal/pulse transformers with a function generator and a multimeter. More information can be found at: www.kerrywong.com/2015/09/26/t...
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@hadireg3 жыл бұрын
Great channel! and thank you for sharing and thanks youtube for suggesting! 👍👌
@maxpolaris999 ай бұрын
It's been over 40 years since I studied this stuff in tech school, and as usual I got into a niche where I never used 90% of what I was taught. Now I'm retired and getting back into electronics and reviewing topic by topic, component type by component type applicatiopn by application.
@jessihawkins91169 ай бұрын
damn bruh how old are you? 😲
@maxpolaris999 ай бұрын
62
@marcocosentino72396 жыл бұрын
I like this video and I'd like to know more about how other parameters of the transformers can be characterized with non expensive tools. For example you show at which frequency the transformed voltage is at maximum but that may not be the best operating point for maximizing power transfer (which also depends, i guess, on the characteristics of the load)
@gervaiscurrie66752 жыл бұрын
Interesting - how would one set up a sort of 'Bode' plot arrangement with a sweep generator / DSO to get an overall plot of response?
@voltlog8 жыл бұрын
When testing these transformers, if you don't know what type of transformer you have and you don't know which side is the primary and which is the secondary, could it happen for example that you connect the test signal to the output of a step-down transformer and you actually measure a stepped-up voltage at it's input?(which in this case where connected backwards has become an output) mistaking that transformer for a step-up one.
@KerryWongBlog8 жыл бұрын
+VoltLog The designation of primary and secondary is usually arbitrary. So if you are using a say 110 V to 12 V transformer, you can either supply 110V to is 110V winding (primary) and get 12V out, or you can input 12V and get 110V. And in the latter case 12V would be your primary. So for a step down transformer you can also use it as a step up transformer and vise versa.
@paparoysworkshop6 жыл бұрын
While it is true that a transformer can be used as either step-up or step-down, those laminated core transformers you have shown are designed to step down the mains voltage of 110V to 230V (depending on where you live) to the voltage required by the circuit and are meant to operate at 50 to 60Hz. The fact that they can be operated up to several thousand hertz is simply a matter of the cores capabilities and not it's ideal operating frequency. While it is important to choose a core type based on the operational frequency of your circuit, that does not imply that you must tune your circuit to that of the transformers ideal operating frequency.
@k1mgy5 жыл бұрын
This technique will provide a rough start. Determining actual primary, current capability, insulation resistance, actual turns ratio, and other parameters will require more digging.
@DextersTechLab8 жыл бұрын
nice video, could you also explain best practice for identifying and separating the primary/secondary windings on devices with more than 4 pins?
@KerryWongBlog8 жыл бұрын
+DextersLab2013 The designation of primary/secondary is arbitrary in this case as it depends on what you want to use this transformer for. In the multiple winding scenario, if the windings are tapped, you can infer the phase of the winding by measuring the voltage across different taps. If the windings are separate, you can identify the phase either by using a scope or connect one side of the winding with a "reference" winding and infer the phase with respect to the reference via the generated voltage.
@DextersTechLab8 жыл бұрын
Kerry Wong Thanks, will have to dig out some transformers and experiment!
@ketturi8 жыл бұрын
Very useful tip! You can also use an oscilloscope if you don't have capable multimeter, some scopes even can calculate the ratio between channels.
@soothcoder8 жыл бұрын
+Henri “Ketturi” Keinonen Also using a sweep and synchronising the scope the to signature generator, you could see how the voltage changes with frequency.
@netman698 жыл бұрын
And you can tell the direction of the windings from a scope :).
@Chevroletcelebrity10 ай бұрын
@@netman69no you can't
@netman6910 ай бұрын
@@Chevroletcelebrity yes you can, when 2 of them go the same direction the polarity will be the same when you got a probe on both, it'll be opposite polarity (or phase shifted 180 degrees in other words)
@Chevroletcelebrity10 ай бұрын
@@netman69 no
@michaeld96822 жыл бұрын
Did you offset the sig Gen so sine wave was ac?
@raymondheath76686 жыл бұрын
Great information
@KerryWongBlog6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@hassaneinshaban60776 жыл бұрын
is there transformer can be connected to function generator and step up the voltage to 1 kv at frequency 1khz??
@k1mgy5 жыл бұрын
Look at flyback types.. but frequency of operation considerably higher.
@Electrolab28Ag3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kerry, I am trying to learn about these transformer. I really like the way you explain it. Thank you. However, I do not have a function Generator but I have a signal generator from 0.1 to990 MHz will that work?
@Chevroletcelebrity10 ай бұрын
why don't you have a function generator? they can be had for a little over $50 used...
@Electrolab28Ag10 ай бұрын
@@Chevroletcelebrity Thanks, I ended buying one. Thanks again.
@dedskin15 жыл бұрын
i think you have to saturate the transformer to find out its best frequency, not that it is designed like that but for this example results are not correct , if i am correct .
@akshaymath40894 жыл бұрын
How pulse transformer behaves with pulse input i tried to check but i don't know end result. My input waveform is getting squeezed as i connect to transformer.
@coucouj2781 Жыл бұрын
I dont understand. Does that mean that the transformer can only operate at a given frequency (i.e. at resonance?)
@AB-yu2tj2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah I'm going to subscribe. Thank you so much. I think I just learned more than a semester of college here. Could you please tell me how you know which side of the Transformer is the output and which side is input? because I don't think you clear that up in the video. And I desperately need to know
@KerryWongBlog2 жыл бұрын
There isn't really an input or output as transformer is bidirectional and depending on your use. You can use this method to figure out the rough turn ratio between to two windings.
@screen-protector2 ай бұрын
Ok, this video is actually OK after watching several that wasted my time :D. You've mentioned smaller transformers, what about those with 380V on the primary like Hlaft Bridge ones yet still HFs? Can you measure them the same way? If not, what way?
@suhailasaba10514 жыл бұрын
At 3:18 What do you mean by saying that the output of the function generator is terminated at 50 Ohms ?
@MixPickle4044 жыл бұрын
he is applying constant low current for testing !
@suhailasaba10514 жыл бұрын
@@MixPickle404 Thank you
@mohitinch8232 жыл бұрын
Internal resistance of 50Ω is connected in series with the function generator.
@suhailasaba10512 жыл бұрын
@@mohitinch823 Thank you for your answer.
@thingschangs24724 жыл бұрын
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@peterowens2904 жыл бұрын
Rather too much emphasis on frequency. Many people just want o confidently ID the primary & secondary terminals & what happens if accidentally thedeiign with say mains voltage?
@Parvi_6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing (y)
@KerryWongBlog6 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@Parvi_6 жыл бұрын
I have a SMPS transformer E1614 controlled by iW1677-01 that transforms 310 Dc (after rectification ) to 5V DC. The iW1677 switching IC operating frequency ranges from 2.1KHz to 72Khz. How can i test this transformer separately just as you did in the above video and what frequency and Vpp do i need to select in the function generator? Btw , when i'd selected 2.1Khz frequecny and 1Vpp sinusoidal Vave , the output was almost 10mV.
@Parvi_6 жыл бұрын
Would it be safe if i apply 310V Dc at primary side and try to control it with a transistor using function generator ?
@KerryWongBlog6 жыл бұрын
No. You are probably better off by inputting into the secondary (say 1Vpp) and measure the output from the primary. You should see around 60V on the primary (depending on whether the 5V figure is regulated the actual voltage may vary)
@Parvi_6 жыл бұрын
Here are the measurements: 6V transformer: primary: 1Vpp at 2Khz output 6mV at 25Khz , output 29mV (after 25Khz output starts decreasing) When i switched the supply to secondary side Seconday: 1Vpp at 2KHz output at primary 12mV (aprox) at 25KHz output at primary 60mV ====================================================== What does the above measurements imply :)
@1pcfred6 жыл бұрын
Easy for you maybe.
@NomanKhan-ed9ls3 жыл бұрын
you must use oscilloscope
@alexad48975 жыл бұрын
Have a ?
@alexad48975 жыл бұрын
I have a pulse generator and wanted to see if it will create a pulse on a coil which will be a closed circuit if that’s possible
@muppetpaster8 ай бұрын
5:30 Sadly very unclear...."If I change it to 1.5 1.6"......1.5 1.6 what?? hz Khz Mhz?? Volts? Amps?