Of all the bears out there, he picked the one that sucked at being a bear

Mononoke style

If a honorbound stat will get added to the game, this theory would even make more sense. Like when he doesn't score a kill with it, the nature gods punish him for not committing to being a bear and so on.

@@davidhong1934 Well a good bear might kill him

I think he literally does this in the comics lol.

I misread this the first time lol. Yeah this part kinda sucks, and the scout doesn’t even need to use the melee and is super hard to hit with much less vulnerability. (Still deadly to the scout is they meet and explosive.)

ok time traveler

"For free" is pretty far from objective truth, you get evaporated by explosive classes. But yeah, its still awful.

pyros that use the powerjack: first time?

candy cane has two subclasses for scout. ScoutKnight, and Discount Medic. i've made the scoutknight comment a lot so i'll let you find that on other melee related videos. the Discount Medic is scout that runs up to injured teammates and killbinds dropping a healthpack.

Why is no one replying?

Yo mvm banana daddy

@@JansonisDEADyeah, not sure

the brass beast is a sorely underrated piece of kit for defense. however i have no fucking clue why it's paired with the steak and warriors spirit. they all have terrible synergy with eachother

@@sweetypuss Apparently, the set used to have 5% crit resistance _(Source: TF2 wiki entry on "Hibernating Bear)_

That Pyro set has: -Phlogistinator -Manmelter, helps the damn Phlog charge immensely if it can crit and deals with the "no airblast" shit. -Third Degree, a straight upgrade from the Fire Axe. Like, this set is REALLY not bad at all.

@@SyRose901 The "Third Degree" has a hidden downside: When equipped, the Pyro will experience a 35% reduction in peripheral vision upon seeing a medic healing someone. This further increases to a 70% reduction if the Pyro chooses to engage.

@@SyRose901 The Third Degree is only a straight upgrade in an _extremely_ niche situation that Pyro really shouldn't be using his melee in, anyways; if you're in breathing room of a combo, you should probably be bathing them in flames or airblasting them apart to help your team take them down, not taking out what is essentially a stock reskin with a gimmick stat. Not to mention pretty much _every_ Pyro melee but the Volcano Fragment and Hot Hand has a far more useful upside, anyways; why would I want a stock reskin with a gimmick that's hard to use well...when I can just use the Axtinguisher, Powerjack, Back Scratcher, Neon Annihilator or Homewrecker, weapons with very useful gimmicks that provide genuine upsides for the Pyro or his team in various capacities? If I'm attacking, I'm using the Powerjack for the mobility buff, the Back Scratcher for the extra damage and bonus healing from health kits, or the Axtinguisher for the combo with my flamethrowers. If I'm defending, then obviously I'm gonna use the Homewrecker to help my Engineers deal with Spies trying to sap their buildings. If I'm on a map with loads of water, then the Neon Annihilator is pretty useful for taking advantage of enemies coming out of that water and gives me a nice damage option if I'm using a flare gun. The Third Degree's upside of "hits both parts of a Medic beam" comes up short in comparison, especially since...well, if you're breathing up the neck of a Medic to take advantage of that, you're probably right around his team, who will generally not take kindly to you waltzing up to their Medic. In that situation, you'd be better off spraying as many people as you can before dying to soften the enemy up for a push. And the Manmelter is _severely_ outclassed as a Phlog secondary by the Scorch Shot, which builds Mmph even faster with much less effort on the Pyro's end; that's kinda the reason Phlog-Scorch Shot is one of the most reviled combos in TF2. If you constantly have crits, the lack of airblast isn't as problematic since you'll probably melt whatever doesn't kill you first.

Hello bright.

Youd probably need to double make the honorbound damage like 80 to make it work, since the normal 50 isnt nearly as significant for heavy as it is for soldier and demo

Personally, I'd rather a riot shield item for the minigun slot that's basically just Chargin' Targe.

Honourbound is a great idea, for the same percentage of course (-25%) so 75 health. This would even provide another use for it too, as another way for heavy to boost uber charge speeds that isnt the Fists of steel. The buffalo steak needs a ranged damage reduction instead of more vulnerability to all damage, as well a duration increase on melee kill

@@Buster_real That would be fuckin dope. It'd probably have a FoS-style damage reduction for most sources, with a downside of it being basically just "You exist to be shot at, and that's it." MAYBE a charge-type alt-fire to make it able to have an active use aside from being made into a super-punching-bag.

Why not have a lunge attack on right hooks with any melee under the steak's effects?

it used to not stack, at least not as bad. In the distant past, the Warrior's Spirit downside was that it removed 50 MAX HP, but the heal effect was I think 15 per hit rather than 50 per kill. So you had better survivability overall due to the damage vuln not stacking, and you have better short term survivability even if you don't get the kill. It still wasn't good, but it wasn't absolutely awful like it is now.

@@__psychobilly it was 20/30 max health lost when using it.

the vulnerability shouldn't exist on it anyway

vulnerability on the warriors spirit is a fair downside, but on the steak its fucking stupid. the whole point of giving heavy a melee subclass is to have a *tanky* warrior who uses their high health pool to *tank* damage while they close the distance. so why does the steak have a damage vulnerability effect when its already hard enough for heavy to catch up to his targets? not healing and being locked to melee is a downside enough. the warriors spirit could use like, a 5% damage buff and/or a 5% vulnerability buff, just to meet those damage thresholds. that would take it a significant step up. or rather, maybe also make the health on kill like 100 so it isn't pathetically small.

Tbh even without a downside it would still be a bad weapon, any melee weapon that doesn't offer an instant close range kill with a near 100% reliability is inferior when you have a minigun that has near instant kill at close range and some range, if the melee traded out the medium distance in exchange for not having a windup time, which would be fair

Back then, the WS had a -20 hp instead of a 30% damage vulnerability, you were weaker if you played Heavy normally, but stronger if you decided to melee people, since -20 hp is far less punishing than a 30% damage vulnerability.

@@vivelespatat2670 Tbh,i rather have that health penalty downside instead of this

Its pretty fun though ngl. Even if you’re not super effective, those minicrits hit for a LOT of damage.

@@uberd3323 That's what I love about TF2. The "bad" weapons are still fun to use in niche ways. I can't punch people and fingergun them to death as Santa in COD or Overwatch.

The brass beast also doesn't work well with these weapons either since a bb heavy wants a reliable backup secondary like the shotgun or failing that the fists of steel to let heavy fall back more easily. The buffalo steak and warriors spirit are probably the worst weapons to pair with the brass beast which makes the entire hibernating bear set so badly thought out.

Random guy heavy: uses warrior spirit for health on kill Crackhead heavy: uses warrior spirit for damage vulnerability

@@cristinagomez3283 I think you mean masochist heavy: uses warrior spirit for damage vulnerability

@@airplanemaniacgaming7877 yes

@@airplanemaniacgaming7877 also: Hoarder heavy: uses warriors spirit to complete the set

Brad Heavy: Doesn't use the Warrior's Spirit Thad Heavy: Uses the entire bear kit as a challenge

But the irony was, the WS also had a -20 HP penalty back then. That meant that you’d likely still die from a critical sniper rifle headshot due to having less health. It rarely affected gameplay at all!

Oh,thank God! I am glad that the set where two weapons have massive damage vulnerabilities(which stack) has a tiny crit res

A 5% resistance is so tiny that it's basically fucking useless let's be honest

Pfff like that wouldve helped

Crit damage resistance? And only 5%? USELESS.

he notes that in the video

It even works on quick-fix ubers.

It’s a weapon that conceptually could only ever really work on Heavy.

I mean, sure, it can stop ubers, but for that to work you have to be lucky and get a random crit in *melee* range of a medic and his ubered mann, or, you have to sneak up behind them, while playing the slowest and largest class in the game, while no one spots you.

@@davisdf3064 I’m aware. I was saying that the holiday punch as a concept could only ever work as a Heavy weapon.

it's still kinda cool.

I think he got rid of timestamps because people said they used them to skip sponsors, which was kind of shitty of them.

@@nicholasho1595 then I will not skip the sponsor again

no there's timestamps

@@jknifgijdfui Fish added them later

19:42 double telefrag (gotta timestamp that lmao)

i thought you meant as in you die as the heavy using the warriors spirit

How are you everywhere

yeah at least u can get closer to the other guy with the GRU. WS is just a plain downgrade

Ah yes, the weapon that drains your health at galeforce ten

​@@aleflippy1997 It doesn't drain fast enough to be a problem in most melee fights, which usually end in less than three seconds. Either you land two hits to kill (or a crit), or you're dead anyway. The GRU makes you fast enough to feasibly avoid attacks though, or run away if you decide it isn't worth it. Also the health comes back just as fast the moment you find a safe spot to switch back to your minigun or sandwich.

He's Russian, I don't think he even knows about the American Constitution

Idk.

m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qbh3o5OEnNe-fKs.html I'd say he improved it.

Bear arms BEAR ARMS B E A R. A R M S!

Reminds me of new vegas honestly

Brain goes Unga bunga when it sees more damage

@@bialex8083 I mean to be fair I mostly played mvm

Bruh

Warrior's spirit gives Heavy the right to bear arms

Letting it stack will be a little insane, because with the Steak you can turn into a soldier (50% damage vulnerability gives you 200 effective health) who runs around the same speed as a demoman and maybe even faster if you get lucky, and deals 100 damage per swing

A good option for a non MInigun primary for heavy would be shield, give him a nice big team colored shield that drastically increases his health, and decreases charge time for lunchbox items, with maybe a small charge, only being far enough to close a short distance, not enough to make map movement fast nor short enough recharge to make it so your heavy is just always using it

If non-conditional means always active, then it would be broken, because if someone is attacking a brass beast heavy while the heavy isn't currently holding it, they won't know why 20% of their damage just got stuffed up.

@@zizo5349 by non conditional i mean without the health drain requirement

Oh... Well, if that's the case, then yeah, sure. =)

Pairing the BSS with the WS would give you like 600 effective health

@@-RandomStranger- actually it would only be about 470 when i said the BB's damage resist should be "non conditional" i meant that it would be active no matter what, *so long as the weapon is out* , not just a passive 20% damage reduction at all times

At that point your basically fighting a friendly hoovy with a friendly medic pocket

Busted in Medieval

Terrible in normal gameplay. Just encourages people to shoot you more, like how the fists of steel encourages people to melee you.

Effectively changes nothing because everyone is shooting at you anyways, and a straight-up nerf if you remove one of its bonuses for that

@@CyrogenicNation I was mostly saying replace a bonus simply because it may be OP in medieval mode. Personally, I don't care about Medieval mode much, but I know some people do.

@@DrBlueHigh To be fair, you probably shouldn't be running at people with Heavy melee to begin with. If anything, it'd help for if someone jumps you with their own melee (mind you, the Minigun would likely still be a better option).

Idea for lunging attack seems enticing, although i would place something like "if you miss your lunge, THEN the vulnerability applies." So at least spirit now allows you to whip out your BEAR ARMS without instantly regretting it.

@@quint3ssent1a So for how long do you remain vulnerable?

@@TheKing-qz9wd err... Maybe for 3-4 seconds? To encourage you not to miss lunges.

@@quint3ssent1a Sounds okay.

can't remove damage vulnerability because it makes it too strong to use in a gamemode that has a different style of gameplay than the mode that the majority plays

Demoknigt struggles with heavys, unless they have the fos or something. You are looking at 3 hits with the skullcutter if you guarantee the first hit is a crit.

You know heal on hit and no vulnerability is basically just it pre nerf. It healed on hit and reduced max by 20. (Not in the snarky way, just like, they really borked it.)

@@The_Bird_Bird_Harder actually didn't know that. Thanks for the info! But yeah regardless that sounds way better than having to get it on kill.

yes you are alone

Doesn't the description for the Officer's Ushanka use this exact joke?

Yeah but it's still pretty outclassed by the KGB.

@@evilyoshimaster Agreed. I use KGB when on medieval mode EXCLUSIVELY. Sometimes I use fists for haha funny taunt kill.

And tank busting in MVM.

Fuck you and your dumb artsy I'm special profile picture

Awesome idea

I think what would also be cool is if the right fist has a bit of upward knockback and stun, that would make it feel more like an uppercut