tf2 soldier wins by default because rick may won over our hearts 🫡

"Rockets in TF2 are not particularly fast compared to some other projectiles" I'd like to point out that, in TF2, crossbow bolts, syringes, arrows, and a meat cleaver are all faster than _a rocket._

Do Spy or Medic next, they actually changed A LOT.

I feel like TFC's rocket launcher having higher knockback and slower rockets might give them a significant disadvantage against TF2 soldier in a direct 1 on 1, making it harder to track and land hits where TF2's rocket jumping is such an integral part of soldier's kit it would be easier to out maneuver and turn that to your advantage

I like how fast he just gave up when he suggested the Bison.

"The rocket launcher VS the other rocket launcher" Ah, truly a battle for the ages.

What's hilarious is, this came out just minutes after I finished my binge of the rest of the series

10:18 Actually, it's not based on the distance the rocket was fired from, it's based on the distance the soldier is from his target. I know this not just from playing way too much soldier (doing sync-rocket divebombing), but there's a video out there somewhere (forgot who made it, sorry) who showed a soldier taking a teleporter to appear next to his target while the rocket travelled, and when it arrived it did max damage rampup.

Very interested to see Demoman, the weapons are so similar in concept yet function pretty differently Plus, classic Demoman having the Single Barrel Shotgun might make it the only time in history that weapon wasn't worthless. Maybe.

Spy's death at 6:01 was way more dramatic than it had any right being

6:02 this is the most dramatic spy death i have ever seen

Fun Fact: Rocket Damage Falloff in TF2 is calculated by player distance to the explosion, not distance traveled.

I'm fairly confident that medic vs medic will be the only stomp for tfc. Not only does classic have the double barrel shotgun, but tf2 medic has what is clearly baby man's nail gun for damage unless he wants to risk getting in melee range. Edit: What the frick happened in the replies?

You're forgetting, tf2 soldier can't die after taking merasmus' entire bottle of "kill me come back stronger" pills. Victory by attrition

I think Medic Vs Medic would be cool but making the video into 2 separate parts. 1-seeing which medic is the best at playing offensively And 2-seeing which medic is the best at playing supportively. (Mostly to let TF2 Medic stand a chance.)

I couldn’t in good conscience put TF2 soldier under any other soldier. He IS the face of unrepentant stupid violence and power. Glory to our Stars and Stripes Savant!

TFC soldier having grenades also meant he could "double blast jump" mid air similar to how the Beggars Bazooka lets you overload jump.

Please do Engineer next, engineer may be interesting since buildings have been thrown into the mix. (Also, aren’t the engineers relatives? If so, it would be cool to see who upheld their legacy better).

2:53 I see you reusing that market garden footage, Squim. You can't fool me!

I still think counting grenades is pretty dumb, because in if you're gonna count something specific only for tfc why not count something specific only for tf2 by getting unlockables into the mix, or just as I wrote above, not count grenades at all.

AH. You're back. I was actually scared.

keep in mind with the damage output that grenades can give a BIG boost in burst damage, you can land a rocket and grenade at the same time. I do however think that the crazy knockback from the tfc rockets could be a hindrance to a soldier not used to them, I forgot how insane it is

This is such a fun series! I love seeing two of my favorite games being compared! Wonder who's gonna compete next? Engineer? Medic? Hope you continue this series!

hoo, that was quick! glad to see this channel back in action

When it comes to TFC shotgun versus TF2 shotgun, I think you should call it based off of what class uses it, since different classes have uses for the shotgun. Like for Soldier, the shotgun is much more of close range weapon since the rocket launcher self damage is too dangerous for most close range fights, meaning the TF2 shotgun is better. But for Pyro (and to a lesser extant Heavy) the shotgun is more for picking off targets outside of your flamethrowers range or finishing low health targets running away, meaning the better range of the TFC shotgun is more important. It’s super subjective, but reflects the usefulness more imo

I waited a year for a new TF2 VS TFC video. It was worth it.

I literally binged this series last night and there’s already a new episode. How!?

I think you kind of skimped on the details for rocket jumping. Yes, they are essentially equivalent in terms of health cost, but what else? Who jumps higher? Who can go faster? Is rocket jumping as necessary for movement in TFC as in TF2?

I'd say this is the most mathematically involved episode of TF2 VS TFC. Must have been a massive headache

having a lot of rockets make enemy TFC engineer smile

Hooray!! Its finally back up, glad to see you back

Been waiting for this, great video as always 👍

I'd say TF2 should've won the shotgun round for Soldier. Yes the TFC double barrel shotgun is more consistent at longer ranges, but Soldier already has mid-to-long range covered with his rockets, so the much higher close range effectiveness of TF2's shotgun is more useful to him

TFC has the power But the TF2 Soldier has the charisma lol

Fun fact about Grenades: In TF2 pre release. The soldier and other classes were suppose to have grenades but it was overall cut

Oh my gosh, just when I started rewatching the whole tfc vs tf2 series, this comes out!? Talk about timing.

I'd love to see an Engi vs. Engi battle. Not only would it come down to the buildings and what they can do, but how fast they can be built and how much metal they cost to fully build first stage and upgrade it.

Holy ravioli is that me who appears on the description???!!!!

Finally a new video about. Tfc vs tf2 I've been waiting for this episode for so long and that's now here. Let's go.

You DO have to remember that some of these lose because of Engine Limitations. Plus, they were porting a Quake Game to GOLDSRC.

10:20 A little correction: It's distance between the rocket impact and the shooter at moment of impact.

id love to see the tfc weapons get imported into tf2, maybe with more extreme adjustments to how they worked to make them more distinct from their newer counterparts

Pyro main here, I would like to thank you for giving that phlog pyro a speed boost as he was pushing out. It's little things like this that almost make me revert back into a medic main.

I feel like including bunny hopping and grenades (mechanics exclusive to TFC) while excluding any and all unlocks (a mechanic unique to TF2) feels a bit unfair.

RIP Rick May Rocket jump your way to heaven to give god a sensible haircut

ok but why do grenades' and bunnyhop count as free victory for tfc in that case tf2 should have a free win for unlocks as both are a massive part of the game smh.

i have been waiting for this for so long

Wake up babe! After Breakfast uploaded a new tfc vs tf2 video!

new SquimJim upload? YIPPEE!

How about next time we do Medic vs Medic instead of comparing damage though we compare heal rates and see which is better? Or maybe overall damage + healing not sure how you would precisely go about that one.

I happened to search "The evolution of tf2" and saw you upload, nice

The Double Barrel Shotgun would probably be a great exclusive shotgun for Heavy

I think after you cover all of the TFC vs TF2 mercs, maybe do the ones from Quake World: Team Fortress? Some of them from what I’ve seen are fundamentally similar, but at the same time are radically different.

Finally, a new TFCvTF2!

9:26 „u got Games on your phone?“

I've been waiting for this!

“Little bit of an upset” …quite an understatement (correction a huge one) considering Soldier is my favorite class in game and having him lose this round hurts. I’m more upset TF2 Soldier lost this round. I was hoping he could win! “Would having his unlocks push the edge for TF2?” Yes… it would if he had his unlocks he would win. You pointed out the Direct Hit could diminished half of TFC Soldier’s Health, especially with the speed of said rocket. It’s going to be a bit hard for me playing when soldier by the reminder he lost to his counterpart. But I’m still going to anyways, because I’ll not let some video comparison discourage me from playing my favorite TF2 Character since most of it is opinion based. You may say Soldier lost, but I and many others, see him win by default. Both heart and soul. While I still disagree with the outcome of this match, I do want to see the other versus you have planned,

He is back!

“If you know what’s best for you, you will run” -Solider TF2

If you considered unlockables, this fight would’ve ended much differently

Speaking of the original original, have you considered comparing the classes to their quake team fortress counterparts?

feels like the double barrel shotgun is just a alternate weapon.

TFC Soldier: You should stop, you're bleeding. TF2 Soldier: I don't have time to bleed!

Spy has always been the most fascinating one for a comparison simply because of how the direct 1v1 would work. Like simply put the invisibility seems like it forces that to be a tie because it’d be impossible to realistically fight them with that in play.

tf2 soldier wins because I say so

I cant wait to see the next One of this series

I was just watching some of your other vids when - BING! New Vid. Second time happening. Cool

I find these videos very interesting. Could you do the next one on Spy or Medic? I would be really interested to hear about them in this style.

legendary series is back BABY

Man finally another one of these videos

How did I miss this

After almost a year, we finally see more TFC vs TF2…

Talking about the best scenerio that could happen with unlocks, Solider does a rocket jump with airstrike and mantrats or how those boots are spelled, and hits every rocket, then Marketgarden tfc solider with damage from boots as well xD

If you do spy you need to put in a gag with the Spy vs Spy theme.

You know, if you where to include the spell book, one of the few extra default items that has no mode restrictions, and the one that it does have being able to be activated at any time, it would be an interesting way to deal with the B-hopping and grenades. Then again, it may be too broken, as that and the unlocks would give TF2 soldier a very large advantage against TFC soldier, but it would be nice to include the default power items.

Medic vs Medic next

I love the original original user joke, because tf2 soldiers name is Jane doe

Considering that the comics show the tf2 crew beating the TFC crew Tf2.

probably could have modded in an exact replica of the tfc soldier and had some people duke it out in an mge setting to get some points for either side

We were all waiting for this

I can’t wait for Civilian vs. Payload

I wonder if Squim will do a 2nd season or such, or a extras video after TFC videos, where he DOES include unlocks.

So like, are we gonnna be getting a tfc team vs tf2 team at the end of this, thatd be pretty cool and make a lotta sense cuz, they're teams

Well soldier vs soldier I think is always with rocket jumps and airshots, is it fair to assume that, at equal skill levels, both can hit their airshots even though tfc soldier has a slower rocket making it harder? Also, assuming both play perfectly logically, tf2 soldier would have to approach to be in effective range whilst tfc soldier can retreat just as fast giving tfc the advantage. Idk how grenades mix in given the rocket jumping strats but I imagine every once in a while it would give tfc the edge, having more tools is better than not having them even if they're useless.

A guy with a Classic Crowbar vs a guy with a WW2 Shovel

The reason why I assume the insendiary cannon and Rock luchar haver that dmg inconsistency, is because maybe TFC still has the old removed mechanic of random dmg spread that tf2 used to have

it actually would be kinda nice to have a shot gun that does better damage at midrange so ye I would advocate for the double barrel shotgun to be added as a new soldier secondary in tf2

Nice, which class is next?

Omg never thought it would come out but I did

the double barrel shotgun uses the spas 12 from half life 1 which *does* have a double barrel function.

i feel like tfc soldier would run around mid range and use his double barrel for most of his damage, then use grenades for zoning, and his rocket launcher for an emergency escape

Two words...Market Gardener A 195 Garden crit paired with a point blank 112 rocket equal 307 damage, barely enough kill TFC Soldier with it in just a swing and a rocket So in a fight with unlocks for TF2 allowed I think that the Market Gardener alone would be enough to tip the scales slightly towards TF2

are you ever gonna do engi? i read somewhere that the big reason the tf2 launch maps feel so bad to play is because they were lifted out of TFC without taking into account that engi was weaker in classic and i wanna see that put to the test

tfc soldier watching 31 manthread strength soldiers form a pile on his shoulders

I'd love to see a Medic vs Medic!

Ah but can the TFC Solider strip himself, get doused in honey, and grapple bears to death only with his bare hands???? I didn't think so.

TFC soldier getting killed in less than a second when TF2 soldier hits him with a market garden immediately followed by a point-blank rocket (he was told the odds were in his favor):

I feel like it would have been neat to mention in round 3 that soldier does have a grenade he can use

TF2 soldier just needs to be coated in honey and naked, he's impossible to beat when in that state.

Well you also have to factor in his signiture move NECK SNAP!