You can directly measure your skill as Spy by how many Pyros the enemy team has.

As someone who likes playing as pyro i like when i get outplayed by a spy, cuz then tha fun mind games start and by the end of the match we usually end up respecting each other.

Pyros fighting this guy: "let me just wait one second while he completely out flanks me and gets a duel winning trick stab on me" Pyro fighting me as spy: >air blast >air blast >air blast >bottom text

i think the spy pyro dynamic is part of what makes spy so satisfying.

i have heart attacks when hiding from pyros ( why people still replying too this bruh i posted this like almost a year ago)

Amazing video, really interesting take! I totally agree, fights with pyros are really thrilling. Nothing beats the feeling of outwitting a pyro and coming out on top Looking forward to your next video!

ngl pyro has a pretty diverse playstyle that people just forget exist stuff like the flare gun and extinguisher to output massive burst damage or equipping the detonator and back burner to detonator jump and reach places you can't get to normally get to and flank the enemy. hell, you can even just use enemy rockets and pipes to fly across the map if you're feeling a little spicy. People think pyro is an easy class because all anyone does is W+M1 and while that is true, the real way to play pyro is to send your enemy up into the air hit them with a flare wait for them to fall down and finish them off with an extinguisher then proceed to airblast a rocket straight at your feet at off into the sunset.

As your friend. I singlehandedly love how well edited your chaotic sense of humor is in this video

i agree with all this, been practicing a lot with both of these classes, but at the same time i can't help but feel annoyed when half the opposing team suddenly switches to pyro as soon as somebody gets backstabbed ONCE by me or an ally

I feel That Pyro and Spy are a balance in tf2, both are very effective at close range and yeah, is hard finding a Spy

I literally play pyro by alternating between pybro and putting "The only thing they fear is you" from Doom Eternal on with a button press on my headset. I do the same with scout, cuz even if he doesn't have the same intimidation factor, the fast moving menace with the hard hitting shotgun is a vibe I just love.

As a man who mains both Spy and Pyro, I agree with most things in this video. Pyro has one fatal weakness - bullets. He can't reflect those, and they can hit him outside of his range. So yah, if (as a spy) I can either stealthly take him out or finish him off quickly enough, without risk of geopardising the whole mission of removing/distracting the Priority Targets - I go for the Spicy Boi with GUSTO.

How to beat pyro in 3 easy steps: - Revolver them from a mile away. - Keep poking them until they get annoyed and leave their team to chase. - Stab people while they're spy-checking near spawn like a dumbass.

As a pyromain getting owned by a genuinely talented spy is always cool

Great video. Personally since I rely on my gun an absolute ton, I actually find Pyro one of the easiest classes to deal with, as long as I'm not going for a stab or sapping. The revolver outranges Pyro's flanes and shotguns so hard it's kind of funny. It's even funnier when you're going full gunspy and half the enemy team switches to pyro just to die even easier to you than their previous classes lmao

Very cool and high quality vid keep it up and I'm sure you'll make it to the top

I enjoy fighting pyros on open areas, where hitscan revolver can show remarkable results, and potentially outdamage their shotgun

My most played class is spy, my second most played class is pyro. As a pyro I learned how to counter even good spies that can trickstab. If spy is walking directly at you and you're pyro that's bad, if you're not gonna do anything you gonna get tricktabbed. As a pyro remember that flamethrower isn't melee weapon it has range so you don't need to be in stabbing distance to burn spies. And second thing you need to remember as spies need to remember they have guns you need to remember you have airblast (unless you use phlog). Spy can't trickstab you if you keep spy out of trickstabbing range. Thirdly randomly flaming space around helps a lot, you never know when you catch invisible spy trying to sneak around and lastly when on the cart just m1, your ammo gets refilled and this keeps spies away from coming closer

Found this channel just a bit ago and 1) great info explained well 2) god tier editing 3) idk he seems cool bc he likes a challenge and isn’t toxic or hyper negative 4) I’ve heard at least 3 separate SPY HAS A GUN bits in as many videos but part of me hopes it’s all the same take just used across the board and 5) I’ve heard a lot of ultrakill music and I’m happy to find a content creator in the ultrakill/tf2 ven diagram Absolutely subscubled and excited to see more

I totally agree with you on this! I absolutely love games that require me to be stealthy & sneaky, so I love it when I'm sneaking about and see a pyro, then I HAVE to test out my skill of evading them and their flames while trying to remain undetected it

You got that LazyPurple Quality about you. Subbed!

2010 Meme sounds (CoD Hitsound, Denied) combined with 2020 Meme sounds (Taco Bell,) is a blend I never heard, but makes sense to exist.

Honestly I feel the same as a non shotty soldier against good pyros. Funnily enough as pyro I LOVE when there's a spy I have to use my brain to not be outplayed. Unless it was that one time when I lobbied against Stabby. That was just a test of my patience.

This is quality content! I dont see why this channel only has 1k Probably the freaky algorithm lol

I love the bits of scat man playing when pyro spy checks

Bro when i saw 707 views i thought i was having a stroke your editing is super neat!

Jon is a masochist confirmed

I'm someone who's not good at both pyro and spy, and I still think pyro isn't bad Like you said he tests a spy's maneuver ability, and balance wise (in my opinion) pyro is also the only class able to somewhat counter a stealth-ing spy, like his flamethrower is the problem not any of his other kit against a spy no other class can do that so it seems that that lack of invise-spy-counter on all the other classes found itself being put conpelty on the pyros flamethrower

Pyro might be fun to fight as spy, but you know who he isn't fun against? Demoknight. The shields need some knockback resistance or something to help them not be completely disabled by m2

that joke of spies disguising as scouts is 10/10 i'm not a spy main but even i know to disguise as either pyro, spy, engi, demo or sniper with the occasional medic and get away from heavies soldiers and scouts

As a pyro main whenever a spy manages to get the better of me it always gets me excited like "oh wow a pub spy that doesn't rely on the Kunai to pub stomp?" it starts a fun rivalry I'm always happy to be a part of.

As a pyro main, I take offense to you calling us “things.” We prefer “monstrosities” or “crimes against nature.”

Jontohil2: it’s really fun to go against pyros! Me: what about me *who has a phlog name the “spy killer”*

0:13you have lost your spy main privileges

Bro great editing

your videos make me want to play spy, keep it up!

I sincerely hope the KZfaq algorithm blesses you kind sir, you deserve a lot more subscribers for your immaculate content.

You have become one of my most favourite tf2 KZfaqrs now

I was expecting the whole video was only going to be him saying "SPY, *INHALE* HAS A GUN!"

I love the constant "SPY HAS A GUN" you put in your videos

really good stuff

i love that the video starts with calling pyro mains "these things"

Mario and Luigi dream team music is just 🤌 love it

I find it funny that the overlapping joke in all of the videos is that SPY HAS A GUN.

2:00 put a l'etranger on my hand and a razor back sniper on the opposite team and we have the fourth horseman of the apocalypse

I remember how i stickyjumped to enemy sniper,then realized... He was an enemy spy and stabbed me so fast

"Stay out of their effective range." I'm scout. I can't see through their flames.

pyro is the class that most commonly makes people shake up their loadouts to acclimate to the round, and I really like that about him. You really dont see that many loose cannon demos or shotgun soldiers but when a good pyro is in the game that becomes a lot more common and i think its nice to have a class that can force people out of meta-slaving for even a couple minutes

"The Flamethrower has a short range" haha nice one

the 3 horsemen of spy tests: spy, engineer, and pyro

What is the general Spy consensus on the Dragon's Fury? It is my favorite Pyro weapon, but I have been considering getting rid of it as I seem to be a target for cloaked spies.

Random person: Name one quote from this guy Me: Spy Has A Gun!

I like the interactions between Spy and Pyro, because they are not nearly as linear as Spy-Engie matchups. It’s a back and forth, where both sides need to pay attention.

if jonto had a tv show, his catchphrase would be "SPY HAS A GUN"

My fav to do is airblast spy if try trickstab and flame spy and over again

I like playing Pyro cause every single other classes like to target Pyro’s (except most spies ofc)

a dope trio would be you, Dane, and soundsmith

3:59 and onward has shown me that pyros completely forget that they have airblasts

I like the thumbnail. It's a work of art!

I find myself subkonsciously airblasting spies who have their knives out when attempting to fight me. It's also especially satisfying when they try to run and turn their backs on me, and get met with back burner crits. So, pay attention to what kind of flamethrower Pyro's are using, it could save your life.

spychecking with spy himself is even better, your knife still raises for a backstab if an enemy spy is disguised, therefore allowing you to determine if a spy is a spy, with spy. And in the same sense with Pyro, you can manipulate them into associating you with a spycheck, making them be somewhat afraid of you.

This time I had 9 pyros on my team and someone on the enemy team picked spy

I have a feeling this video was made by you on a cheerful note after trickstabbing several newbie pyros and feeling like a godlike Spy after that. You may have outclassed those W+M1 Pyros, but you'll never be able to surpass somewhat competent Pyro. A good Pyro will always know/guess where you may come from or what you're up to and will never allow you to come close so as not to get facestabbed or something else. Even if you managed to escape their grasps they won't follow you since they know damn well how you utilize corners and slopes or extra distance (they know you have a gun). They'll retreat and wait for another opportunity. They know you will act when they are distracted.

"Mmmmph mmph mmph mph mmmph" (I like the smell of burnt spy in the morning) -Pyro.

0:26 sir you got me good 😂

For me, I can do the whole infiltration and avoiding, but I can’t land a backstab for, pardon my French, shit

"Get fricked spies" - me (a pyro main)

Might I ask those who see this, how terrible was the editing at 3:57 ? I wanted to make it as awful and obnoxious as possible...

As a pyro main. I also love fighting spies. Good ones especially. Keeps me busy and excited always keeping my eye out

It's the circle of life. Just as pyros are a primary source of protein for heavies, spies make up the majority of pyro's diet.

I understand your opinion, but I have to disagree. Pyro is an obstacle for spy, yes, but he is not something you can play around very efficiently. Take the fact when the ideal timing and opportunity for a Spy to attack can be completely nullified by a Pyro without much effort. For example, a Pyro can make an otherwise easy strike on a person on the payload a nightmare. A spy-aware pyro can borderline lock down entire parts of the map for spy with his flamethrower. "You have a gun though!" Think it like this: You have a revolver that is outdamaged by nearly every other class primary weapon and does pitiful damages at long ranges. Even its damage at close range is quite mediocre. Let's put this incomparison to the flamethrower: An incredibly easy to use, braindead weapon that can melt you down in seconds in your effective range. Not to mention, if you get stuck within their flamethrower's range, you are effectively trapped inside it because it is incredibly difficult to outrun, even if you have Spycicle and/or DR. "Just don't be in their effective range!" is a flawed argument in my opinion because the determining factor of whether or not you get in a Pyro's flamethrower range is incredibly lucky dependent, and not to mention they just close the gap inbetween you if the distance is not large enough, or map geometry not being in your favor as the Spy (Not enough space for running, hard to navigate, tight corridors, etc). This is not even mentioning his secondaries or airblast which make the matchup even more oppressive. As if trickstabbing wasn't hard enough, airblast completely even further ruins trickstabs, along with preventing the Spy from stabbing the Pyros teammates. This is just my take though. Don't take it as "your video and take bad i am right". I have just noticed a lack of counterarguments and other points of discussion in the comment section, and felt the need to post this.

atleast spy has a revolver, soldier has a shotgun, what can a demo do? melee, airblast grenades, airblast stickys, airblast its imbossible if he can airblast

Im a demon knight main and pyros is one of my favourite classes to fight for similar reasons, and also my other main is dragons fury pyro.

My brain and heart everytime i see pyro as spy : revolver goes brrrr

I like to have boss fight music in my playlists in case I’m playing spy and I have a tricky pyro on the enemy team

There was nothing more satisfying for me last week then somehow trickstabbing the pyro who was actively setting me on fire as he noticed me sapping the engineer nest.

Me knowing he likes to fight 2 of the 5 classes i play

I swear pyros are like a boss fight for spy mains

As a pyro main, it's already an instinct to click at least once on every teammate. And when I found a spy, my monkey brain is always prone to rush it down if I don't have any restraint.

I main pyro and I love fighting spies. One trick stab on me and I then drastically alter how I engage.

You do get damage numbers and hit sounds when you shoot a disguised spy iirc

I like how he called pyro‘s „things“, its lore accurate.

If there are friendly explosive classes or friendly pyros on my team, I like to lure the enemy pyro away as spy.

i havent watched the video yet but i think the homewrecker is the one thing that definitely needs to be addressed because ... its ability to one tap sappers is wasted on pyro

Wait you don't have to wait to respawn. Just escape

My favorite thing to do as spy is when im loosing fights I cloak and fake like I'm going to a health pack, then watch them spycheck in that area for about 5 seconds

Your first video is about getting a spy with a flare gun and demolishing him.

avoiding pyros as spy is like playing alien isolation

0:27 the war update alternative

And there comes me a pybro that would never leave their engis and always looks at my back b hop and thing

You know I gotta agree with you, I may main scout but this is the same reason I like fighting heavy's they are sorta test to my skill and getting that win can be very satisfying

counterpoint to effective range aside from stock shotgun (because i've only ever seen new accounts and jailbreak players use stock shotty on pyro): *d e t o n a t o r* or scorch but that's besides the point

The ultimate david vs goliath

0:02 based

I get what you mean. As a pyro main, I love fighting heavies and winning with smart movement. And when I get outplayed by a spy, damn it's frustrating, but in a good way. Like, I usually just stare at my screen like "huh?" but once that has passed it's rewarding to not get trickstabbed because you actively prevented it.

Thank you :)

this dude needs more subscribers let's help him out

"Why I like fighting Pyros as a Sp-" "You're a masochist"

Being a hu long heater heavy is also very fun. Especially when the new players don’t know how the mini gun works and try to back stab you