Great comment because as a Mini owner and AR fanboy, this is pretty much precisely how I feel. Pinned. - James

/signed - best regards - a Mini-14 lover AND AR-15 admirer from Germany 🇩🇪/🇺🇸 ✌🏼

I have been considering a mini-14 for a new ranch rifle. In my state, I can't transport a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle even when I'm on private land. So when I'm doing farm stuff on my four wheeler, I usually got my savage model 24 in .22 mag/20 gauge with a shell strap on he stock. If something needs to be disposed, I jump off, usually grab .20 gauge buckshot, load, and shoot. This is rather slow and limits my range. Another quirky thing about my state is that the magazine is considered part of the firearm, so that can't just carry around a loaded AR magazine and load when I need to. So with a mini-14 I can just stuff rounds into the top like say a traditional hunting rifle but still have the semi-auto advantage of an AR-15....

I think you missed one very important thing though, the mini 14 looks pretty cute :D

Are you, by any chance, living in Commiefornia?

jm15 thats how I solved the issue👍

Exactly. Por que no dos?

I have one of each. Love them both.

Why stop at just one of each 😂

I don't own a mini, Guess I better go buy one!

I wish you could still buy a gun like that.

@@CryptidWalks you could at wal mart lol but shit hunting rifles and kiddie 22s

Grocery store? Man now I know I definitely wish I was born back then

that's awesome

Idk what y'all talking about they still have rifles in Walmart

The 30 is just as accurate as the 14

Not as scary but just as deadly as an AR within 100 yards (when it works).

That will probably change in the future - Look what all the IL governor just banned for his residents !!!

It's also CALIFORNIA legal.

It says mini, politicians are like mini must be smaller and safer

Ok boomer

That's what I have. Also stainless 30 round mags look really cool.

I have the walnut ranch version, but wish it was a lighter and weather resistant fiberglass skeleton stock. Wood sucks on anything but safe queens.

@@FaZeZombieslayer something only chumps say

@@gendertranscendentmeuglyma1790 um ok groomer

It happens!

Comes with age

Mathew their Juice isn't worth the Squeeze.

Get some wienerslider. Works wonders.

That's what she said!!!

I got a state police trade in from KY where they put enormous amounts of ammo through these things. I did have to the extractor replaced once but ar15s parts wear out as well. The garand action isn't mass production family is true. Parts have to be fitted somewhat. When I needed the extractor I had to send the entire gun in but Ruger fixed it for free.

Caskas dats my boy yea buddy!!! Just what the doctor ordered!! Mini all the way says BA!!!

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/edRmnqik0dWxlHk.html

The A-Team couldn't hit the side of a barn with their rifles.

Mini 14's are the Pepsi of guns.

The mag release IS NOT COMBAT WORTHY IMO pretty much a M1 carbine except for mag release..

Depends on the stock. Vanilla stock, sure, but the lightweight Choate stocks don't. More durable than many of the AR stocks, but not necessarily better. And stocks like mine are useless as clubs lol. I have a Choate stock with an AK under folder attached to it that is shimmed with Guinness cans. :)

TheBlapman all stainless steel too haha

You'll need it as a club, won't hit anything with the bullets fired from it.

David Tucker improved accuracy or the pattern is improved cylinder?

that's why you need a hi-point

I read the title and was thinking TFB is going hard after an Internet Troll of 2017 Award.

Saiga is the way to go. Sporter style AK

Already happened in New Zealand.

So are are real mini's I see behind the counter at Big 5 calif? hell because of the frenzy all these year's I had always assumed that was a 22L 22lrl I had no idea there was 223 or 556 ruger? of course it would be tactical with 16 inch barrel suppressed. is 300 blackout ammo sold hear in Cali is it legal ? is it dramatically more expensive than some full metal jackets rounds in 556 or 223?

As long as you don't have a straw you will be ok.

Daniel Larsen This is the vital post. Mini 14’s are the silent assault rifle... I’m sorry, “ranch rifle”. Let’s delete this video please because mini 14’s are lame and there’s no point in talking about them, thanks ;)

Exactly, ive even heard liberals go as far as calling 223 win. a "high power round"

Muscle Man yeah. I found their ignorance really amusing

"Semi-fully automatic" It blew my mind how little the majority of people that stopped to speak with him knew about firearms. The ignorance is astounding.

Why do you think they're "pretending" to be activist? Is it because they're just THAT stupid? Have you ever talked to one of these type people? They are THAT stupid!

@Uganda Knuckles 🤣🤣🤣 you anti-gun nuts crack me up! You've never hunted a day in your life but you can tell someone what they need. Let's see someone bring down an elk, moose or a bear with a low powered revolver! I don't give a damn how good your aim is. Oh, I love the 2ND AMMENDMENT OF THE FKN CONSTITUTION!

Yes, it's sad. I have to change butt stock and handle to make my legally purchased Bushmaster, legal again.

Lee Gillaspie It is not easy, for me, at list. I have to sale my apartment and house, lose job...

Completely agree. Repeal the unSAFE act

Steve bingo

hahhaah liberals

FFL fabulous Florida living🤔

But the A-Team never hit anyone!

I love it when a plan comes together.

YES!

Why would you give a crap about what Cali law says. Do what you want

Your killing me with the People Republic of Kalifonicate....those poor bastards that live in that state don't have a chance! Many good people are living under the Communist out there...

@@SeriusChevy F around and find out. It's all fine until you get caught with something illegal in the state by a cop who pulled you over for a speeding ticket. Then they take away your expensive toy and give you extra charges that can mean 8 years in jail.

@@idrinkwine well I'm 40 years old And its never happened to me yet Maybe it's called be smart, use common sense and don't get pulled over, and if you do. Treat the cops with respect, most the time they will not search your shit 🤷‍♂️ And far as I know I don't think anyone has ever been charged with most of these bs cali laws anyway. Most the time they get more serious charges like attempted murder or whatever. Same shit they would charge regardless of Cali laws And what's even more funny, is you act like they wouldn't do the same to you in other states. Lmfao nah they would though, don't act like you any safer from it. It's called tyranny and it effects us all...

I went to the gun range and have my first shot with AR. I wonder who was that genius that made this law. The grip looks hideous and really uncomfortable. Thank god we still have mini-14 that is still legel.

This should be the most like comment in this thread. Bravo sir

And they eventually had ARs in that van! But then, the show, like "Miami Vice," was a weekly smorgasborg of weaponry displayed! The gun manufacturers owed those actors a lot of commissions!

@@jarrettvandelicht6032 100%

What are you talking about the Mattel 14 in Vietnam? In Vietnam the M-14 was a battel rifle scaled down on the M-1 Grand and the M-14 was 7.62x51. You make yourself sound like another KZfaq liar PUNK talking shit! The Ruger Mini 14 wasn't even invented during Vietnam years.

From your experience, what grain projectile from a factory load wold get better accuracy with a mid 90's (pencil barrel) mini? Any suggestions are appreciated.

@@jacka55six60 From reading from JRC we are both of older ages and have on par the exact same experiences in reloading the Mini 14 and with AR rifles. What you are asking could have many variables because every rifle may shoot somewhat different loads. Do want self defense loads for home and is your home next to other homes so consider firing a bullet that goes through your home then into the next home ? Then bullets under 50 grain that are soft points would work. If no fear of bullets going places, then go with bullets 55 grains and up will work but remember the heavier the 224 " bullet the fast the rate of twist is needed from 1 - 8 to 1-7 . I have one of my AR 15 uppers in the old 17 Remington that will kill any attacker invader in a home grave yard dead but the 25 grain bullets won't go through a house. The 17 Remington barrels come from MidwayUSA made by Shilen barrels. The Mini 14 can be sent to Carl the owner of Accuracy Systems in Barens Colorado for a barrel change to 17 Remington. So really the best for you is to buy ammo in different bullet weights then shoot it to see what your gun does best with because guns vary allot from same brands.

You and me both, I just checked current msrp and: holy shit!! Nearly 1400$!! I can remember buying them in the mid 1990s for 415$.

i have a 188 series Ranch Rifle, bought it new in the early 80's, still shots/works fine for me

Haunts me to this day i sold mine!!! We paid same price…

Yep I have my dads about the same time. I love it.

And cars were $3,500 dollars in 1984.

This is the answer

yes! variety is the best!

This is the answer I was looking for!

OFCOURSE !

Hell y stop there, buy multiple configurations of each mini 30 mini 14 ar15 m16 ar10 etc

1. through 5, yep completely true. No substitute for fine wood, nor piston operation. That said the rest is untrue, at least on the pre-2010 rifle i owned. I can hit a soda can at 200 yards, iron sights, with my Stag M4. On the Mini i would not even try it at 50 yards. Innacurate Af. Also the barrel on the Stag has a chrome bore. The Mini does not. I traded my mini in for a huge loss to get the Stag and i don;t regret it.

You can get piston operated AR's

bench175 Thank you!

The entertaining thing is that, like the M14, the Mini-14 is an absolute nightmare when reliability is considered. They're obscenely prone to failures, just like their predecessors, and are generally less than accurate in comparison to the AR-15, which is an easy sub-moa with most of your quality ARs.

Ar-15 is a junk because was primary designed to be filly automatic but is only semi-automatic. Ar 15 Is just a mini-14 in form of ar15. I only buy an ar15 if it is fully functional, or to modify it to make it fully functional (fully auto) At least the mini-14 was designed to do what it do, to shoot in semi-auto.

I went through basic at Ft. Benning with the M14 and got to Ft . McClellan and they gave me an M16. We called them the Mattel gun.

That's a lie

@@larrywilson1783 lie

Many of the marine 0311 braves that I came in contact with while serving as a crew member in the gator navy during 3 Westpac cruises did not like the M 16 and wanted their M 14s back.

And for good reason

The distrust stemmed from the powers that be attempting to sabotage the M16 and it did kill some people. But it was not a design flaw. And yes I know know the whole story. And I know that the AR probably invokes some bad memories for the vet you know. But I never had an bad experience with the AR and I used 3 different ones in service all ran flawlessly but I was not drafted until 1970.

I have shot all the ar15's and the m14 it's a cool gun fun to shoot and has alot of history bit to compare it to any AR is rediculas.

No offense but he sounds rather closed-minded. The AR hasn't been unreliable for decades.

I know Vietnam vets for whom the AR is their first pick for a SHTF rifle.

I deployed to Kuwait with the Air National Guard back in 2007-2008. Part of the checklist for deployment is weapons qualification. I was prior active Army and have been a total shooting enthusiast my whole life. I couldn't believe my luck when the SP whatever the hell they call their range guys handed me an M-16. No seriously read that again. An M-16. No forward assist, chrome bolt carrier, prong flash hider. I LOL'd when he handed it to me. "What's the problem"? He asked. "Are your freaking kidding me! This is AWESOME!" He had no clue what it was. Fucking AF. I qualified expert.

I also trained and qualified with the M14 in the Marines back in 71. Look to the Springfield M1A1. You will love it too. I know I do.

Check out the Socom if you like the m14 and .308s

@Charlie Charlie who the heck are you replying to?

Only ever fired the M14 during funeral details, not real good for determining overall capabilities.

@Charlie Charlie It's unfortunate he deleted all his comments. However unfortunately, I have to interject some counter argument here, since the M16 wasn't quite as well received, and this coming from one of my best friends dads, who served with C Co, 173rd Airborne, October 1968... If you know history, you know his tale gets pretty dark come November of that year (Hamburger Hill)... But I digress... Anyway, according to him guys were throwing their M16's under trucks and running them over so they could be re-issued their M14's. To this day he calls them "Mattels" lol. He is also the one who showed me how to take down my M1A when I first bought it and took it out of the box. I was pretty stoked to show him that rifle that I literally bought earlier that day... lol. Fast forward to Iraq and Afghanistan, where the M14 made a comeback big time as a Designated Marksmanship Rifle (DMR) aka, the M14 (Marines) or M21 (Army) which later became the M14EBR and is still in use. This was due to the lack of range of the M16/M4 variants, and that just is what it is. Can't replace the stopping power of the larger round and accuracy at distance. Also, if the target is hiding behind a car at 800 yards, the 5.56 may not be lethal enough once it passes through one door. The 7.62 however punches right on through and maintains it's mass instead of breaking up. It's just the better round for that type of thing, and in urban environments and considering the COIN (counterinsurgency) Operations, it didn't sit too well with locals to just open up with the 50 or the 240 indiscriminately. I agree the M16 is a great rifle, and I have slept with one (or one of it's variants lol) probably longer than my own wife. And that's just in the field during training. Down range my primary was a 240H, for most of my deployments. Backup was the M9... Pilots had their M4's. In "other" units I had 4 weapons with me in the hawk. A M134, M240, M4, and the M9... I had 9 mags for the M4 on my vest, 4 for the M9, and the M134 had 3000 rounds in a big ass 241 pound ammo can next to my seat. The 240 was bungee corded to my crew seat in case we went down, since back then they were a/c powered. But yeah. The 7.62 in general is making a huge comeback, especially in the socom community. Range and killing power matter. M14 is among those that are now common to see with the boys. That and the SCAR-H or M10. It's a tested and proven weapon. The action in it literally won the ground war in WWII... So there's that lol.

The AR-15 isn't an assault rifle, but ok lol

Tactical not assault..an assault rifle doesn't actually exist..

Thats me with the SKS vs the AK i like how the SKS feels shouldering it and the recoil impulse is smoother

LOL. I knew I was going to get that. - James

Just spit on it a little. Always worked for me.

Brennan Bennett Just put some hair around it...you'll get in there

ya like them hairy hey lol. damn dude its 2017 not 1971

if that hole is not already juicy , then leave it and get another one.

Civil war wounds

What’s even worse was he used a link bait title (like every other gun channel)! 😆 But seriously, I enjoyed the video and the comments weren’t as bad as I feared.

I feel exactly the same way. I also happen to own 2 ARs and I love to use them. They offer often better stock accuracy and much else. That being said, something about the Mini makes me run back. It works well especially with some upgrades and things, but mine is stock right now. I think it is the feel and design of it being so similar to a bolt hunting rifle and it’s “outdoor” feel/appearance versus the “tactical” feel/appearance of my ARs that makes it feel like I’m using a gun designed for my uses and the environment I’m in.

I like apples and oranges!🤠🇺🇸🐟🇮🇱🏁

lkjh00on89 it would be marvellous ...

That would likely not happen, because if they make a Mini-14 that takes STANAG magazines (AR15/NATO standard box magazines), then that would mean that it would be incompatible with the box magazines made specifically for the Mini-14

Ruger has the best costumer service they seem to always listen to their customers but for whatever reason they refuse to remaster the mini 14 no clue why people have been on them for years and they just ignore it.

@@Lapran3 aren't there adapters that can do it?

I have an older Mini 14, made around 1980 (I can go look at the serial number, but I'm too lazy just now) that I have run M16 magazines in since I got it for Christmas in 1986. Not that I have any M16 mags now, of course, Not after that canoing accident a few years back.

Stag has lefties covered oh you mean the OTHER lefties lol

Richard C Don’t assume all lefties are anti-gun (me for example). I’m liberal when it comes to health care for all and higher taxes for billionaires, but i am quite conservative on other issues. Many Lefties are like this.

My Ruger SR22 .22LR freaks out people in Canada because they think it's a murderous AR imported from the U.S.

Well, if we had an income flat tax structure with no deductions and no exceptions, then everyone would pay tax proportionate to their income. So, by default, billionaires would pay more in taxes.

@@keithmoriyama5421 A lot of Canadians don't realize that ARs are legal in Canada. The semi auto version of the M14 is not even restricted.

Haha. I killed a deer with a 303 British at 190 yards with open sights. It took me 3 rounds to get on target though.

NAH!

@@topturretgunner you got any actual comment or is a single word all you can type before your brain threatens to melt out of your skull

@@liamzakhaev Well tell you what smart ASS TWIT! I'll send you a detailed pictogram with monosyllabic words in description in order that one of your double digit IQ level and childlike inability to comprehend elementary concepts like CONTEXT can then follow easily along and therefore grasp the entire context in a thing called a thread. Rest assured it will be done on a level that even a juvenile MORON like you can understand. There now! Just how do you like those apples Skippy? Next time stop and think a moment before insulting and provoking someone. It might just save you the public embarrassment that comes from biting off more than you can chew little boy.

@@topturretgunner Great is the puppeteer that only needs to pull a single string, and a great one I am indeed

I have an early 80s gb model

Agreed!

The AUG is worth it especially now that the new models use the ar15 mags

I was in the Army, they suck the fun from anything. Camping is no longer fun, back pacing is a ruck march, The AR platform is not as cool.

@@laremm this is so true. I can’t/ won’t enjoy the AR15 because I hated my M16 A2 so much.

Butter smooth

Agreed but the price and aftermarket support cost is a deal breaker for me.

Are you trying to convince us or yourself? Just messing...lol

Could have something to do with the completely ridiculous price point.

Keith Brandson It looks like he lives on a farm. What kinda farmer has that kind of free time?

It’s not 43%. It’s 44.8% 😂😂😂

@@AloneInTheVoid 87.4% of Gun owners agree

WizZard It's not 44.8 percent, it's 44.845762211456977%

It's why my almost all my guns have a faux wood skins or have actual wood stocks. My shotgun is no different from the more high speed tacticool ones, but mine LOOKS like one your grandpa would own. Ol pawpaw gun

testing criteria is incorrect. #1 Ruger will miss target beyond 4 feet.

@@joecascade5105 learn to open your eyes when firing.

@@joecascade5105 Back in the 90's when the Chicom SKSs' were the rage, some buddies and I took their new SKSs' and my 80's model Mini 14 out and compared. No comparison. Mini smoked em both in accuracy and reliability.

Thanks Robert. Very interesting indeed! I knew that the Mini-14s were reliable, but I thought that the SKS’s would have done better.

People don’t even try to make sense anymore

he probably meant what the Mini 14 does better than the AR15,, minus the clickbait title

🤦 So, the mini14 is better in some ways, AR 15 is better in others, and is better overall. What are you not understanding?

Damn if only he clarified what he meant in the same breath that you're quoting

MrDrewfig70 I have both and I also prefer the mini-14 at the range (standing and not the bench). But I'll be honest, I'm not sure why I prefer the 14. Maybe it's the feel or the balance?

I wish God had not placed the forbidden fruits in the Garden.

I wish he had told Adam not to eat the snake.

If the Mini 14 would use the AR15 magazine Ruger would sell thousands more of these great riffles every year. I grew up with one as a kid and would have one right now if they would use the AR mags.

Yes!

The fact that you used “assault rifles” tells everyone in this thread all they need to know. 🤡

@@dobermanfreak2a112 And?

In the 80s I shot a deer standing facing me at 60 yards. The round entered the brisket and took the anus out on exit. Non-lethal my ass!!!

@@jackriley5974 you clearly never saw "The A-Team"

Saw the thumb nail for the video and all I wanted to do was make an a team comment before even watching the video. You beat me.

@@majan6267 thousands of rounds fired,and never even a scratch. Lol.

@@erlycuyler and all those explosions that never hurt anyone

You should still clean your guns even if it's not really necessary.

Why would you not clean it? It is a tool to be respected. A drill instructor told us that people who don't clean their firearms don't brush their teeth or wipe their ass either.

Got mine at the Harvey Barracks road & gun club in Kitzingen, Germany around the same time. Liberty model, 180 series. Still have it and still love it.

Actually, Ranch Rifle is a version of the mini 14

“mini” already sounds cute and cuddly.

No & No 300 BLk and the min are both over hyped. much better choices for your money. Especially for your first rifle.

This. When I got mine back in 2001, you couldnt get an AR15 for less than $1300. These were $700

I have had a Mini for about 5 years now. I was looking into getting an AR platform but I liked the look and feel of the Mini. I had the wood stock on mine but I changed it out to a Pro Mag Archangel Stock. I currently have this style stock on my Ruger 10/22, Turkish Mauser and a Moisin Nagant. I love these stocks as the cheek and butt are all adjustable

@@christopherbordelon5960 I was considering the archangel stock for the reasons you pointed out. I couldn't tell from the pictures how nice the finish was. Are the mold lines smooth? Would you recommend it for appearance as well as functionality?

@@tomolsen3420 As far as mold lines, you have to really look to find them but just looking at the stock you dont see them as they did a really good job of blending them in and smoothing them down. The finish is really nice and smooth. I opted to put a rail cover on the bottom rail as I dont use a bipod so that affords a bit of grip. For functionality, it does take a bit to work the rifle and the trigger group into the stock. Once you leave it in there awhile though it shapes to your rifle. If you let it sit up for a month, and then take it apart for a month and repeat, it finally forms up where its not as hard to put your rifle back together. Make sure if you are going to get this stock that you keep the metal heat shield from your stock. I had to order a new one because the little tab that holds it in place on mine broke while removing it. The only reason I say this is because if you dont have one, the gas blast inside the stock dirties up everything real well. Also the stock is designed for this part to be in place. As stated in my other post, cheek pad and butt plates are adjustable. It also comes with QD attach points at the front and rear and on both sides of the rifle and a rear sling swivel stud for peg style sling swivels. Overall Id recommend this to anyone looking for a new stock or something to use if youre wanting to save your wood. All of the Archangel stocks I have are awesome. I just wish they would included a set of red, white or blue crayons to fill in the Archangel Logo and Letters....lol

@@christopherbordelon5960 sweet. Thanks for the details. Sounds like a decent upgrade for the rifle.

@@christopherbordelon5960 pm

M-1 before that!

John Miller yup im here in ca and want one because thats whats best now for this state

John Miller I own two new ones here in Australia one in 300 win mag our laws are fucked how ever my state has relaxed laws because 800% increases in arms sales and permits in Australia proves gun control has failed !!! Not to mention a shit load of illegal imports from LoL America not for believe it or not terror or crime but just to have a suppressor is cheaper to have here though $128 I buy ones that I can put on mutable weapons only thing is total illegal for pistols here so go figure not that it stops any one when they fucked our laws millions of AKs M4s M16 and so on were hidden again gun control never works and cucks in CA have fucked that state I go to the US every year I avoid CA like AIDS.

monoXcide am you ?? Hmmm good to know thanks.

Lenard Malcolm Mini 14 in 300 win mag? I don't think so. 300aac yes but not win mag.

wel lyou dont have to have the stupid grip filler behind the pistol grip... might as well pay the freight and get an M1A rather then a mini.

Add a few bucks to the purchase price and get an M-1A. My son has a National Match grade (several dollars more than a few bucks over the Mini-14) and other than not being fully auto, shoots just like the M-14 I used for a short while in Vietnam.

The fact that they dont use a STANAG 5.56/.223 magazine instead they use a Ruger propriatary magazine is a turn-off

@@alexandereaton8025 I'll never understand why people are fixated on this, the magazines are as reliable as the most reliable magazines an ar 15 can have, and let's be real. I spend 20ish on my lancer magazines for my AR's, hell the steyr aug's have a nato version that takes stanag mags but I would rather have the magazine the rifle is made for.

just print them with a 3d printer

Miles Swanson That’s one reason why I prefer the AR.

Just gonna put it out there, you do NOT help our nation by lumping people into groups, signed your friendly neighborhood liberal gun owner.

@@r.b.rozier9692 The gun control movement in the US was founded, is funded and is ran by liberals and left wing interests. I have observed and researched their activities for more than 20 years. There are no " conservative" " right-wing" or Republican pro gun control groups-NONE.

@@ericr530 you and I both know that is bullshit.

@@r.b.rozier9692 Name some conservative gun control groups.

Dave Karr not me, I hate ar15. Always have. And if you are wondering yes I am very familiar with them. M16a2. I am left handed so shells ejected in my face is not fun.

Why don't you try a Stag Arms AR-15? They build left handed AR-15s over there. www.stagarms.com/stag-15l-retro/#ProductSpecsDetail

If your friends AR is finicky, then he has a cheap or shitty setup...

@@SeriusChevy See that's another thing I like about the Mini. Yeah they're more expensive than a lot of ARs, but when you buy one, you know exactly what you're buying. Aside from the 580+ improvements, there's no real such thing as a "good vs cheap" Mini 14. I just think that's kinda neat

@@dudeinadoughboy4327 Most AR guys will point out how ARs are cheaper than Minis, but then they need to replace the trigger, the stock, the grip, the charging handle, add a foregrip, and are still running a cheap barrel/BCG. The Mini is pretty well built as is. You don't NEED to do anything to it.

Dave this is absolutely not a correct statement. As a veteran and former deputy the ar platform is one of the most reliable made period.

@@rodneystuder a well made AR. By BCM for example is just as good as a rifle gets. Not these cheap wads trying to piece cheap ass parts together.

@@rodneystuder I saw an Olympic Arms AR snap the gas key off, and I’ve seen a lot of failures on the military side too. The Colts we have in the Army aren’t terrible, but do require lots of maintenance. Personally I believe the design of the M1A is superior, as there are less moving parts, and the gas system is clean.

@Dave Todd it's a doodoo

@@rodneystuder rodney, it is doodoo and plastic ugly junk.

Sometimes you can be glad Commiefornia politicians judge books by their covers.

Same in Massachusetts. AR15 now illegal. Mini-14 legal. thank goodness they are so dumb.. I have both style of rifles AR/mini. I would not part with either one. they are both awesome.

Either Way, soldiers loved the .30 carbine for its capacity, and being a lightweight rifle. But uhh, I found this in wikipediea: The Mini-14 was first introduced in 1973 by Sturm, Ruger & Co.[1] The name Mini-14 was coined because it resembles a smaller version of the military M14 rifle.

Jackal X That's a reason to move, not to buy a compromise...

Lol nobody cares about your stupid States, and no, what happens in California will not make its way to the rest of the country.

The old hands will tell you just get a M14

Wise words

@@tomcraven47 - NOT

But i took my Mini to the range and couldn't hit diddly...too my new Stag M4 to the range and was hitting soda cans at 200 years, iron sights, no practice, no hand-picked ammo. I traded in my Mini towards the Stag, and worth it too.

I purchased a Mini-14 for my wife and she loves it. However, about a 3 to 4 in. group @ 100 yds. was the best we could do with it. About 2 months later, I took it out again and was very disappointed in the grouping. I would fire a 3 or 4 shot grop, then make a scope adjustment, then fire 3 or 4 more and basically, I was all over the place. I was about to blame the scope but I decided to make a few more attempts with various ammo. I tried something different and that was all I needed to do. 1-1 1/2 in. at 100 yds., consistently. After firing one 4 shot group, I made one scope adjustment and now it's 2 in. high at 100 yds. which is what I wanted. I ended up putting the rest of the box of shells (12 rounds) in basically a 2 1/2 in. group with 2 fliers. I think I will keep the rifle, the scope, and stick with Hornady Superformance Varmint 53 gr. V-MAX ammo.

The Ruskies are parachuting out of the sky right now! Which one do you grab?

@@fostysfirearms1830 The Ruger. And my 357 wheel gun.

The one thing you leave out is price. Checked the price of a new mini 14. You're looking at a grand bone stock. For a grand I can get an AR competition model and game over. I own both and love the Mini 14 but to buy one new today I would likely pass.