@Zolar Czakl nah its a condensation pipe so no noise

@Zolar Czakl in the current hydrogen cars they are basically an EV but with a hydrogen battery. I’m pretty sure the tail pipe is for oxygen emissions since the process to gain energy from hydrogen creates water and oxygen. Toyota has been working on engines that will burn hydrogen like an ice car but it has not been very successful so far.

@Zolar Czakl They are both EV's.

@@paulbedichek2679 Let’s clarify the EV statement so that people understand the differences. A hydrogen car, as the presenter showed, is a car that uses an electric motor, a small battery, several large fuel tanks, and a fuel cell to make electricity to feed to the motor and the battery. It uses high pressure H2 fuel, and it exhausts H2O (water). The H2 comes from a variety of sources, mainly (called “green” hydrogen) the hydrolysis of water using electricity and some sulfuric acid, or (worse, called “blue” hydrogen) processing natural gas with steam reforming that strips out the hydrogen from it leaving CO2 as a waste product (the very gas that “green” technologies are supposed to eliminate). The H2 is safe so long as it is transported and supplied with the correct equipment and is not safe to send through pipes for fueling at your home. Thus, you need to go to a fueling station for all of your fueling needs; you can’t put your home’s electricity into the “electric vehicle” to get it to move. A BEV has a large battery, an electric motor, and that’s basically it. You usually charge it with your home’s electricity, and outside of your normal local driving envelope (long trips), you will stop at charging stations. Since it charges with pure electrons, any method of making electricity can be used to fuel the car. You can use grid electricity (which may use coal, natural gas, and nuclear energy as well as clean. renewable forms such as wind or solar), or you can (like me) have solar panels on site to generate the energy yourself. Heck, it’s theoretically possible to have a bunch of hamsters on exercise wheels hooked up to tiny generators in parallel to make the energy, it doesn’t matter. If you can make the energy and put it in your home system, it can go in the car. Thus, there is no bottleneck or losses of having to make a fuel with electricity that has to be transported and pumped into a car at a specific station that your car can then turn it into something else to get the electricity to provide motive power. Instead, pure electrons are stored directly into the battery then supplied directly to the motor at super high efficiency (90-97%). Thus, BEVs are a more pure and simple concept for an electric vehicle than a hydrogen fuel cell EV. It is also more convenient, requires less maintenance and has fewer parts. The electricity can be made yourself, or you can buy it from the grid or from charging networks. Charging can occur anywhere a plug is present; I keep a mobile charger in my car so that on a trip to a relative’s house I can charge the car at their house and pay them $5-10. Almost all of the miles driven with a BEV will be done using electricity that came from the user’s own home electricity network. Even if the hydrogen infrastructure is built out to a level similar to gasoline, fueling costs are always going to be more expensive due to all of the extra processing and transportation involved. It’s not cleaner, it’s not cheaper, it’s not more convenient. It is as close as Toyota and Shell can get to a “green” vehicle technology that stays with the old paradigms and players. As a happy BEV for the last 3 years, I think it’s doomed.

Fair enough. But surely that's an _infrastructure_ problem rather than a problem with the car itself.

I don't know about long haulers. I think it might be better for regional fleets that return to home base every night. Then they can fuel up at night at the depot. Kinda like they do now for certain LPG trucks near me.

Yea but you get three years of refuelling for free

What about those who live in the city in an apartment complex? You'd need to charge in a public station which becomes costly. Hydrogen car would effectively be the same as a modern efficient gasoline car/hybdrid which can take you 800km with one tank. No-one has ever considered filling up your gasoline car at a gas station as an issue. But sure, if you have your own charging station in your back yard and you drive medium distances, then EV is great.

Unless you live in apartments where you have no access to a personal charger.

Apartment / condo charging is a fixable problem for BEVs. It costs ~$1000 to install a EV charger if you install a bunch at a time like in a mid/large apartment complex. That's less than 1 month's rent in many US cities. Where I live, I can already see that there are some apartments that have EV charging spaces. This number will only increase over time, and at some point EV charging will become as common as an apartment that has a stove or refrigerator.

How much did he pay for the solar system...and what happens in winter or on cloudy days??.🤣🤣

@@caravanstuff2827 ... did you actually think you've made a point with your comment? WTF. None of your "points" are even in the remotest a problem nowadays.

@@chrisobber5604 dreamer!!!.🤣🤣🤣

​​@@caravanstuff2827oi winter or cloudy days charge your car with the grid

​@@chrisobber5604yes because when you talk about "free charging" and spend thousands on solar panels, it's a problem

How much did it cost to fill it up?

@@ou812invu6 😂

@@ou812invu6 free, toyota provide over 9000$ worth of free hydrogen.

Do they rust ¿?

@@ou812invu6 $125 right now for 5kg, get you about 300 miles range. $0.42 per mile.

UC stations are more expensive than those gas station with hydrogen option.

15k fuel card ?

@@aldossnow3703 he talked briefly about the fuel card in the video.

@@aldossnow3703 Yes you get a 15K fuel card when you buy a CPO from certain dealers. The trick is using within the 3 year period that it is active.

I live in the SF valley and I see only 1/2 stations I am serious looking into this car only thing that worries me is trips to San Diego etc don’t want to be stuck

Exactly.

For cheaper fuel, and still not as good as waking up to a full charge from your driveway.

Imagine doing that every time you fill up. What a pain in the ass. 5 minutes to fill up my car. Stop ignoring MAJOR problems to virtue signal. This is not a solution.

@@bpregont it takes approximately 5 seconds to plug in an EV in your garage, then you walk away and it's full the next morning. Way less time/hassle than going to a gas station. And 5-7 times cheaper.

Assuming you have a garage. If you live in a different arrangement, good luck.

You can make your own hydrogen. That is the major point of interest in hydrogen. Basically hydrogen can work with an AirBnB model.

@@gabrielrousseau_NM Not at the extreme pressures and extremely low temperatures needed for FCV refueling. To get it to H70 pressures (that’s 70 megapascals or 10,000psi and some change) you’d need not only an electrolyzer hooked up to solar and home plumbing but also some very expensive gas cylinders to store it for later use, not to mention an expensive cryocooler to get it cold enough that it doesn’t blow up the container it’s stored in.

@@kennystrawnmusic Understood. Still worth doing. Those cylinders are not more expensive than several fill-ups at a gas station these days. Once it becomes normalized the expense will definitely become feasible.

@@gabrielrousseau_NM The only energy source that could possibly be cost-effective enough to normalize H2 is thermonuclear (i.e. fusion) power. You’d need 2 Helion Polaris reactors per production facility - one to synthesize 3He and the other to power the electrolyzers - in the hands of either True Zero or Iwatani in order to bring costs down to a reasonable enough level to encourage large-scale FCV adoption, and those Helion reactors aren’t going to be on the market until 2024 at the earliest.

@@gabrielrousseau_NM Actually , its not worth doing and it never will be . Its a huge net loss of energy . Nobody wants to exchange 100 units of fuel for 23 and pay 16x more for fuel that comes from monopolies worse than oil companies. The extraction process during the the past 100 years has not improved or shows any promise in the future . The biggest goal for Hydrogen is to bring the cost down from $16 to $10 per liter . Of course if this was achieved , it still comes at a 77% loss of energy at 10X the cost of electricity . Compare to battery technology that is already much better and rapidly improving. The Tesla model 3 can run 250 miles on $5 electricity . The Toyota Mirai uses $80 per 250 miles and the Hydrogen used requires 4x the electricity.

My guess is now that Toyota is producing competitive EVs, hydrogen for consumer use is dead. This was a compliance car to hold off the regulators till Toyota was comfortable with their EV tech.

One thing not so good about hydrogen car is that the tank has to be very big and takes up space in the car regularly electric vehicles just uses a flat high voltage battery and now a days been seeing electric trucks and vans because it’s easy just to put an high voltage battery underneath the car

It shows that the technology will have to have either enter wide spread adoption fast and deal with waiting in long lines and hydrogen costing more than gas and then grow the charging network overtime or put a massive massive investment in a technology that has only sold 10,000 cars since 2014 For perspective Tesla sold 22,000 cars in 2013

The thing is though. Cars in general are going to get very, very expensive. Sadly many people in the UK and Europe are going to be priced off the road unless we see a huge increase in other schemes such as Car Leasing, Car Clubs and Car Sharing.

@@neilburns8869 the future is car-less or ridesharing only. Autonomous will remove private vehicle ownership.

I'm sure when petrol cars first appear queuing for petrol was probably just as bad Horse powered vehicle drivers must have ribbed car owners the same way today's car drivers make fun of EV car drivers

It look small inside, compare to a electric car built on a dedicated EV platform.

@@DavidKnowles0 That's another area where hydrogen cars aren't mature, space utilization.

@@benjaminsmith2287 Or maybe just the reality of physics. You can increase energy density in batteries, probably multitudes above what we have today. You can't compress Hydrogen much further. It is like trying to store a gallon of liquid in a quart container. Physically impossible. Hence, not sure how much room for improvement there is as the Hydrogen tanks will always require space, and there is no real way to shrink them.

@@redbaron6805 hmmmm. Probably dont expect batteries to get that much butter any time soon. If sony or panasonic had secret sauce they would bring it out and dominate the market. Maybe slight margins sure

@@benbaker405 Batteries are improved gradually with occasional bursts of innovation. But, the amount of research going into batteries now is probably 100x the amount that was going into battery research a decade ago. Because there are so many places doing it, there will be a lot of advances in the coming decade. There are also efficiency improvements throughout the car. The first Tesla Model S had a 85kWh battery pack and range of 265 miles, traveling 3.11 miles per kWh. The Tesla Model S today has 402 miles of range with a 100kWh battery pack, traveling 4.02 miles per kWh. So, despite a larger battery pack which should have made the car less efficient, they improved the car in other areas making it far more efficient. Because of that, we may be overlooking progress in other areas beside batteries. There is a lot of research and improvements on the motors and drive systems themselves, making them lighter and more efficient also. In many ways we are running into the efficiency ceiling on combustion engines, as they require increasing complexity to squeeze out just a had more MPG. It took combustion engines around 18 years to get 30% improvement in efficiency, it took electric cars less than 10. And electric cars are already at 145Mpg equivalent efficiency but combustion engine cars haven't really cracked 40Mpg. Based on that, batteries will play a role in getting energy density improvements but there are still other areas where EV's can boost efficiency, using heat pumps. low friction wheel bearings, low drag braking systems, more efficient electronics, etc.

Yep. Only reason it sells is the subsidies. Otherwise it’s same cost as a gas car with less places to fuel? Why not a BEV or plug in hybrid? They are really cheap used. Ppl are smart.

@@quboguo2360 The fuel cost is 4x that of gasoline and 16X the price of electricity used on a Model 3 Tesla. To make matters worse , it takes 4x more energy than running on electric batteries. Toyota has been promoting the hoax because they really don't have much EV tech . No company actually invests in this without grants and government tax credits.

That's what happens a EV station too.

The technology is in its infancy. Shell is tearing down a station in Torrance and building a new one after learning of the deficiencies of their current pumps.

@@Robert-cu9bm That used to be true at v2 Super Chargers, but v3 250kW chargers do not share power between adjacent stalls, everyone gets full power. Also, Tesla is fairly good at adding more stalls to busy locations, or laying on temporary charging trucks at known busy times like thanksgiving, pebble beach etc.

@@brushlessmotoring Thanks for this; it's good to know.

Sounds like my computer

Toyota as a company has an expiration date as well.

And my cell phone has been plugged in for 2 days and got up to 17% charge. Two years old and time for a new one. All batteries have an expectation date.

@@jeffjohnson2273 I was referring to the hydrogen tanks

@@JAM_2024 right, the company that makes the longest lasting cars ironically has a expiration date.

@@andysupple4838 A hydrogentank will outlast att battery.

You Cali types only think about Cali weather. Imagine carrying around a bottle of water in 20 below weather. Try dumping that ice cube on the nozzle and see what it does. You need some sort of anti freeze or lining the nozzle with a material that won't cause the two pieces to stick together to begin with.

@@ivankrushensky Hydrogen stations are only available right now in California, so its use in cold weather regions isn't at issue. I think there is a station up around Tahoe but haven't been there to see if they altered the pumps and handles to winter use. Cold weather drastically reduces battery efficiency and range for both electric and hydrogen, so they probably aren't viable options for cold weather regions at this time until they come up with a fix or work around.

They will never be built cross country because hydrogen is a stop gap from Toyota to try to slow ev adoption.

It's not planning that's needed, it's another $100M in government subsidies to build another 40 stations. No other state has any plans. And Toyota and Hyundai obviously can't continue subsidizing the expensive cars and giving away the expensive fuel forever, at which point demand for the cars will drop even more.

Don't try to listen to H2 owners, they are trying to resell their cars so they have to say good things about H2 stations. Nothing wrong with the car, but H2 station is the worst. Yes, you can live with H2 experience, you won't die :), but how much you want to tortured yourself is another question

I just purchased one of these. Man I hope they take over cause I love my car so much. It’s the working man or woman’s car. I’m currently getting just over 300 miles per fuel up and my daily commute is 120miles round trip and up and over two high grade mountain freeways we have her in the Bay Area, the Sunol and altamont grades. Fueling takes at most five minutes and I’m. back on the road.

@@sonnybedez7040 how much u pay for mr.i let turbo tyrone bang my wife.

Dirty hydrogen made from natural gas is bad for the environment, and green hydrogen, requiring 2.5× more renewable electricity then putting that electricity straight into a battery, is very expensive.

I don't want to charge at home. My family is "plugged in" enough and we already have way more than enough devices to worry about keeping charged up.

@@putmeincoach7663 You already plug in a filthy industrial nozzle into a gas car. I would rather plug in a nice sleek charging cable than touch a clunky gas pump.

I think apartment / condo charging is only a temporary problem with straightforward solutions. Installing a new EV charger costs ~$1000 each if you're doing it in bulk (like in a large complex). Apartments could easily do it if forced to by local ordinances like in some places in Europe. However, even with no laws, the market will compel them to add them since BEVs are getting more and more popular. It doesn't make sense to build out a hydrogen infrastructure for a temporary problem.

@@Empiro3 no argument here. I personally wouldn’t buy a HEV. I can simply plug into my house, charge and go. Not sure scraping that option for the option of fueling up at a designated charge point, unless I am on a road trip, is the way to go.

I disagree. I´m a homeowner and would go Hydrogen every day before BEV. The range and time to fill up is the gamewinner. In the future i hope that there will be plugin hydrogen fuelcell cars. Then one could charge at home for everyday driving and still have the range, fast refilling and towing capacity that hydrogen brings.

@@crf450ish not that I'm aware of, but it would take 3 to 4 times as much electricity to go the same distance a battery electric can - electrolysis loses about 25% and then the in vehicle fuel cell loses 50% of that remaining 75%, you end up with about 35% actually making it to the wheels. A battery electric is around 95% efficient, wall to wheel (same losses for transmission to the home), and so costs 1/3 to 1/4 what a hydrogen electric fuel cell does - in metric, an battery electric uses 16kWh per 100km, whereas the hydrogen electric Mirai uses 52kWh per 100km (x1.6 for miles). If you could run a home hydrogen station, you could also just charge an EV and save money and hassle. I imagine the 10,000 psi compressor would be pretty loud too, and of course need even more electricity of its own to run. I wonder what the pressure of that home station was the last time hydrogen was the "future" - I'm guessing the mid 1970's just after the Oil crisis?

@@brushlessmotoring I do believe they had several of those Hydrogen motors blow up so stopped selling them, problem is its very high pressure & doesn't smell so leaks are very hard to detect !

And *Remember the Hindenburg* !

@@davidhess6593 Hydrogen wasn't the problem with Hindenburg. The thermit coating of the outer skin was. Beside that. In a car, hydrogen is under pressure. If there is a leak in the tank and a flame nearby. It still won't explode or burn like Hindenburg. Instead you will have a short flame straight from the leak in the tank. Very much like a cutting torch.

@@frankandersen7854 Suppose you have a bad accident and the high pressure tank ruptures? And would you serious keep one of those bombs in your garage?

You have less now - shell closed 4 in the UK, it cost millions to service them for only a few hundred thousand in sales, and they were no longer getting EU funding for hydrogen initiatives.

Lpg is stored as a liquid. So its not in a gaseous state in the tank, nor when fuel is transferred. The fuel vapor pressurises the fuel to keep it in a liquid state, and prevent it from boiling. Once liquid hits the air it will vaporize almost immediately, if your not careful and there is still liquid in the nozzle because you didn't bleed off the pressure, you can burn yourself if the liquid hits your skin. You should always use insulated gloves whenever transferring fuel, if your not careful you can injure yourself pretty badly. Trust me, i know from experience.

@@BigMateo24 yeah I had a close call at a pump which looked like it hadn’t been used for ages. When I unlocked the nozzle there was a relatively large release of vapour which went all over my hand (no gloves). Luckily I ended up with just a red mark and that burning sensation for a few days. I was always a lot more careful after that 😬

@@BigMateo24 This, plus to ensure the 5 minute fill up the hydrogen gas is also cooled at around -40C to increase the density so the amount of hydrogen that can move per minute.

But combustion is still extremely inefficient, only 15% of the energy is used to make the vehicle move... All forms of combustion engine need to go really.... Especially natural gas with the main component Methane being 80X more heat retaining than CO2...

@@koblongata I’m with you- I’ve got an i3 and a Q4 E-Tron now 👍🏻😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

I don't want something else to plug in at home. There's enough of that going on in our lives.

@@putmeincoach7663 Judging by the average age of cars these days you should still be able to get a tank of gas for another 40 or 50 years. Even the hard line states are only talking about restricting the registrations on new gasoline/diesel cars, not the renewal of old registrations. I'm just making an estimate based on the challenges of filling up with pressurized hydrogen over charging a battery.

There's a huge majority in large cities who don't have private garages to safely plug in their electric cars. These hydrogen systems are extremely robust.

As an owner of a 2021 Mirai, I think hydrogen fuel cells are best in larger vehicles (SUV and trucks) due to the greater energy density of hydrogen vs. batteries. I can't charge at home so hydrogen is a great alternative to burning oil.

Well being in the trucking industry most companies have run down trucks breaking down all the time inspections are pretty lack luster. Would not trust them with hydrogen ones.

That will literally never happen. It simply isn't cost effective. Hydrogen has a future in heavy trucking, buses, ships, even airplanes. Their future in passenger cars is about the same as the steam engine. There simply isn't one. No one is going to get a Hydrogen car that cost $90 to fill when you can charge your electric car for $9. The Hydrogen tanks on the car, the fuel cell and everything else is also life limited. The car is placarded DO NOT FILL AFTER XX/XX for that reason. The fuel cell lifespan is around 150k miles. It is very difficult to impossible to find a compelling case for a Hydrogen passenger car. It simply doesn't exit.

Renewables are not the future keep your soy as s down

@@dodgedemonsrtx ligma?

Doesn't seem like a difficult problem to solve.

Yeah, that’s a simple fix if these ever came to a full demand. Having some sort of flash Warmer to pull off the handle is a easy fix

Hair dryer on stand-by

Hydrogen + Electric warmer, what could go wrong

@@bindingcurve hydrocarbon pipes are regularly electrically heat traced. This is no different.

But what about winter? This thing was freezing on a hot day. I doubt this will even be an option for us up north.

I think that price was for a CPO car, not a new one. $45k in incentives doesn't sound very realistic to me.

They have the infrastructure here on Vancouver Island and Vancouver just north of Seattle. Saw one of these cars the other day.

@@joefau1 I know, you only get to drive in circles around Vancouver. California has the most but the lines are long. Having troubles with freezing connections from not getting any rest filling up. It will not work as a daily commuter. That's why most are adopting EV. Even Toyota and Honda are quietly pursuing EV. Toyota wasted so much in investing into Fuel cell for nothing. It will be good for locomotives and large ships. Seattle is pursuing EV to replace the aging diesel ferries. There's always a 2 products competing for attention. One always comes on top. I think you know who the winner is😀

@@wt9653 im buying fuel cell stocks because i think there will be room for both 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

@@joefau1 Yes there will be. EV for most commuter vehicles. Fuel cell for large ships and heavy equipment. Just don't bet on cars, busses, vans, and most of semi trucks. Fuel cell vehicles are actual EV that is powered by hydrogen. Just too complex.

@@wt9653 I’m betting on Ballard power, they are in ships and stuff. Also with green energy maybe you could turn green energy into hydrogen then load it into a huge ship and ship it somewhere with less green energy. Lightener than a battery when storing energy, very light

Yes, badly.

True, but before it reaches the road, 2/3 to 3/4 of the energy has been wasted.

I was about to remind him of that but he made it clear (sort of) at about the 2:30 mark in the video. :-)

@@TheJAMF Yup , 77% loss . Total hoax.

Well, in the video it was 5 minutes of charging and 15min of waiting. Same as a Tesla model 3 20% to 80%, and much more expensive.

Just get a Tesla and charge at home. It takes a few seconds to plug the car in whenever it is home. The car is always fully fueled every time you get in the car to go on a drive.

Hallelujah brother. Pair it with solar and you power your house and vehicle with free energy from the sun you get every day. I only use superchargers when on a long trip, and my only complaint is how far you usually have to walk to use the bathroom or get a drink while waiting for a charge. Nothing cheaper or more convenient. To me, hydrogen is a dead idea being pushed by oil companies and old car companies that are in fear of having their paradigms disrupted. At least others like Ford, Hyundai and VW are getting it, but I fear Toyota won’t truly change until it’s too late.

Lame Model Y. Looks like a white good on wheels

@Glenn Millam Wow, you're a upper class rich person bragging about their $80k EV and their gated community home with solar panels. How humble. I don't get how people spend money on gas. Just buy a half million dollar house, $80k EV and $40k solar panels

You can make your own hydrogen. That is the major point of interest in hydrogen. It is super useful and can replace any natural gas coming into your home as well and much less dangerous than natural gas.

What's a Tesla Y Perfomance cost? In Australia $98,345

Actually, stupidity is the most abundant element in the universe...

@@buckhorncortez Stupidity isn't an element and you have to be stupid to even believe that. ;-)

@Teo G interesting. Please share the process that produces H2 so cheaply.

@@chuckadams9131 he's genetically engineered to piss out H2 and fart out O2 after ingesting H2O

@Teo G And this is, of course, why it cost $89 to fill up the car in this video. Because H2 production is so cheap.

How long is the lease, what are you likely to get next?

Can't be worse than diesel which literally gels up

I have driven the Mirai to ski resorts around Lake Tahoe. Didn't notice any difference.

Freezes up less.Since both surfaces are already cold it's less condensation. Other than that, about the same.

FCEV have no penalty for cold weather, the opposite.

my unlce had a van back in the 90's old chevy fullsize van rigged up for propaine....stupid cheap to run n drive n all..but in the winter...HOOOO BOY! once its started n running its great because propaine burns hot....like real hot....BUT! BUTT!!!!! When its off and sits and it gets cold -30c up here in canada during the winter we had the tanks freeze up and van no go....we ended up strapping two car battery warmers to the tank and plugged them in each night to stop that from ever happening again....

@Saint . The Hydrogen process requires a net loss of 77% and has never shown any promise . Its basically a huge step backwards at the equivalent of 10 mpg . Compared to the Tesla model 3 that uses $2 electricity per 100 miles. A typical Hybrid will use 2 gallons of fuel or about $9 and have only half as much power.

@@devinbender8428 It's rated for 15 years, which is longer than most cars last (average is 11.5 years).

@@devinbender8428 you would need a hydrogen leak AND an ignition source, very much unlike a lithium-ion battery, which can spontaneously combust all on it's own.

Hydrogen tanks are rated to last 15years, batteries 8-10years. 15 years is ok, not great but will surpace the lifetime of many vehicles. I don´t know the price of a hydrogentank change but i know that a 100kWh lithium battery change is expensive as hell.

@@windsolarupnorth7084 No, battery warranties are 8 to 10 years. At that point the battery doesn't suddenly stop working, it has decreased capacity.

@@windsolarupnorth7084 Don't know where you get " Hydrogen tanks are rated for 15 Years ". First up Hydrogen tanks have to maintain a very high pressure much much higher than Propane / LPG , or oxygen and acetylene bottles ( used for gas welding ) . LPG tanks used in cars are requiter to be pressure tested and inspected all over at 10 years and a lot need replacing . ( I've got a few LPG cars ) . Without the extreme high pressure you do not get the volume of gas so therefore the range . You need to move the gas in trucks to the fill up station in complex multiply tanks to achieve the high pressure and Volumes . Batteries inTesla Cars are lasting a long time lots of them in early Model S have done over 500,000 miles . Battery technology has moved leaps and bounds in the last 3 years , along with large cost reduction . At the moment nearly every house has electricity so you can plug your car in at night and early put 25-30 Kw in it ( about 150 mile range ) for about $4 , so running costs is about $400 -500 per year for 12,000 miles , distinct advantage over Hydrogen . The huge number of recharging station allow for long distance travel ( the electricity is much dearer of coarse , but you can top of a car in about 30 minutes after driving 300 miles .

It would certainly help.

I am not a fan of electric cars but fixing a used hydrogen car wont go well with so many parts

Physics of hydrogen production is the real uphill battle.

Definitely not viable for passenger vehicles. But if they can make it cost effective it might work for depots like urban city truck deliveries, busses, etc.

It's actually considerably less daunting than EV automakers faced in "building out" the infrastructure for electric vehicles.

Hmmmm I would just use.a Bic lighter

@ofnotandi " but the gas engine is there just in case..." If your friend wasn't lugging the dead weight of a mostly non functioning gas engine to and from his workplace, his batteries would take him further. Additionally, without it, he wouldn't have to pay servicing costs of the combustion engine & he wouldn't be polluting the air we all breathe with poisonous gasses & the climate with CO² when he does use that dinosaur engine "just in case".

Not for anyone who needs to travel long distances or tow.

@@devinbender8428 Green hydrogen will be very important for making plastics, cement, steel, jet fuel, and fertilizer, plus energy storage where the hydrogen is burned in gas plants. No chance for cars.

@@charliedoyle7824 Disagree, the technology is great for trucks and SUVs due to the energy density of hydrogen vs. batteries.

@@Chad-xs2de in large trucks hydrogen does have a chance. Not so for SUVs, which are just cars.

Hydrogen will never and should never catch on, because all types of hydrogen require Carbon Capture to make themselves green. But no one can prove how well Carbon Capture works, how much CO2 pumped underground will stay underground and how much will leak, how much underground can hold, no one can prove that. It will be the biggest gamble in human history if we rely on Carbon Capture (hydrogen).

Yeah. But, using 3x the electricity per mile than if we'd just charged up a battery EV (because it takes energy to change water to hydrogen and back to water). The filling station is complex and costs $1M. Which is why it's $89 to fill up a H2 EV rather than $9 for a Battery EV plugged in at home (for the same range).

Yes, you have to use energy to create fuel - it isn't a Mr. Fusion.

@@sanders555 sounds like an electric car with extra steps

@@dc42nr86 Okay? I'm assuming you know how gasoline cars operate ...

@@sanders555 whoosh

Haha

Just pour water over it

@vintagelightman83 Heat capcity. its enourmous for water. 4.186 J/g/K in other words not a chance to freeze the water

Back in the day, our door handles/locks would freeze and you needed deicer (it came as a spray) to fix it. You just sprayed it in the lock and boom, you were good to go. Cars don't seem to do that anymore. But a deicer or coating the nozzle with a material (maybe teflon?)....seems like this could easily be fixed.

Toyota downvoted this comment.

I don’t have a charger at home or work, so BEVs don’t work for me, as they don’t for millions of apartment dwellers. Hydrogen car has been perfect for my needs. Fast refueling and 400 miles range. My average refueling time in south SF bay has been 10 mins for 400 miles. Much better than any BEV can do.

@Teo G I get my electricity from 100% renewable energy. Where does the hydrogen come from?

@@AnalogueKid2112 Hydrogen for FCEVs in California is 93% green, whereas most BEVs charge at night, when the electricity mix is decidedly heavily coal and fossil fuel generated. Add to that the fact that manufacturing, mining, processing and disposing batteries is extremely polluting, and it’s clear as day that FCEVs are far more environmentally friendly than BEVs. This is not to say BEVs are not needed - they are greener than ICEs just not the ultimate green solution.

@@GautamPrabhakar sorry but that's just not true. According to the US Department of Energy, 95% of hydrogen made today is made by natural gas reforming. That's worse than most ICE cars. The environmental impact of battery manufacturing is *vastly* overstated by the hydrogen lobby. In fact, if you compare the lifecycle GHG emissions of an EV running on renewables like mine vs a conventional car, the greater manufacturing emissions are compensated for in a matter of months of usage. Furthermore, can you drive a hydrogen car across the US? No, it's simply impossible. I can drive an EV from California to New York with only a bit of extra effort. Hydrogen is a farce and simply a way for Toyota to greenwash and continue to pump out gas guzzlers. If they actually cared about the environment, they wouldn't be going down that road and recognize that EVs are the only way to reduce transport GHG before we run out of time.

@mikepepper8395 So you prefer to be behind 7 EV cars in a waiting line instead? Try do a calculation and see how many EV charging stations is needed when everyone has switched to EV cars. I can tell you so much that already now there is a waiting line for EV charging at hubs during holiday travel. Don't want to be in those lines when everyone has an EV car and need to recharge doing a holiday trip.

What are you getting next? The Mirai itself seem fine, shame there isn't a plug or full EV version of it.

@@brushlessmotoring I truly enjoy my Mirai, that’s the frustrating part. It’s a good vehicle, but the amount of stress with trying to get it filled is just to much. My hope is to get a RAV4 Prime for my next car. I want the ability to use electric but have the gas as a back up if needed.

@@heresthething9740 I really recommend a long range Tesla rental and a challenging EV road trip, it might convince you the gas engine isn’t as important as you think. No more check engine light. No more scheduled oil changes. The BMW i3 are aging well, unless they have gasoline REx extender in them - that isn’t aging well - and is causing issues. I reckon if you experience full electric and fast seamless charging you might change your mind - even if you don’t end up going with a Tesla to buy.

What did you end up deciding on?

@@brushlessmotoring I still haven’t gotten a new vehicle as of yet and I can’t say with 100% certainty that I would NOT go back to hydrogen. Here in the San Jose area they have added 4 new hydrogen stations in the past year and the quantity available is far greater than it was when I was driving one.

That was also before Li-ion batteries existed when H2 just had to compete with lead acid or NiFe batteries which were heavy and did not store much energy. Then H2 made a little more sense. At a million dollars per H2 bowser it will be the taxpayer that subsidises the refuelling infrastructure for H2 vehicles just to please the oil barons that own the natural gas that gets turned into commercial H2. Clean H2 from electrolysis ? That has existed for a hundred years but no one uses it commercially because it is too expensive.

I have read the hydrogen is -40 Celsius when it comes out of the nozzle. Once it stops flowing the nozzle will warm up quickly and unstick.

@@andrewgee241 but how would it warm up if the temperature around it is - 20

@@subie2021 If it becomes a problem engineers will sort out a solution. Same as they have done with EV chargers.

A small internal heater built in to the nozzle that turns on after the fill up is complete would solve this problem. I dont know why they haven't thought about that.

It takes moisture for things to freeze together. There's not a lot of moisture in cold air and thus cold things don't tend to stick to other cold things.

Tests and studies have shown it costs more to own your Tesla than a gas powered eco car. And let's be honest there is always that fear of running out of charge making long distance driving a chore. The infrastructure isn't built for full ev vehicles.

@@beexiong2995 yeah, those are the studies funded by ICE manufacturers and oil companies. They are complete BS. I have had zero maintenance costs over the last year and a 300 mile "tank" of electrons costs me about $5. You should really approach those studies with a critical eye. I'll never do an oil change, never replace the brakes, no transmission flush or repairs, no emissions testing, no scheduled coolant service, no plugs, no MAF cleaning, I could go on but you get the idea. Maybe in another year I will need to replace the wiper blades, then maybe the tires. State auto registration for my car in my state was about $50 for 5 years, an ice car of the same value would have been thousands over 5 years. The state gives me plates that allow me to us the HOV lane while driving by myself. I never go to gas station, ”refueling” happens at night on off peak hours while I sleep. This video talks about a "study" that claims electric vehicals are more expensive than ice to fuel. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ncupi7lqs9mVkWw.html It an example of the spin used to slander electrical, similar technics are use to try to prove that cost of ownership or environmental impact cases. All BS. My cost of maintenance is zero in the first 15 months. The big lie about hydrogen is that it is the most abundant element. True it is, but that doesn't matter at all. Most hydrogen is chemically bonded to other elements, and it takes energy to break those bonds and isolate the hydrogen. Then it take more energy to store and distribute it. End to end hydrogen is at best about as efficient as ice and likely worse that ice depending on production, storage and distribution. In short its only advantage is refueling time which this video showed to not be an advantage at all.

@@beexiong2995 Man you are so wrong. This is the same crap people were spewing in 2016 about BEVs. I have solar on my roof and pay NOTHING for fuel and pay only a grid connection fee for my electricity bill. I haven’t paid for an oil change since the fall of 2018 (the last time I owned an ICE car) nor have I had to have tuneups or other maintenance. I’m saving all kinds of money each year I drive it, and my solar has a 25 year performance warranty. I’ll be dead before I have to pay to replace it. Free fuel for life, man! What do you think fuel prices are gonna be for a hydrogen car in 2035? For me it will still be free! And my new BEV will be cheaper too (as a function of relative buying power) because batteries are going down, not up, in price. People like you have it wrong because you haven’t experienced the freedom of fueling at home, with your own homemade fuel.

@@beexiong2995 there is electricity everywhere, you could fill up at any house or home. In fact wars can cause a world shortage of petrol. EV's can be energy independent from corporations and dictators that control oil.

@@beexiong2995bro your asshole must be pretty loose after pulling those “tests and studies” out

@coingecko you good bro?

what makes you think that?? the range was very limited!! PLus the Hydrogen was $$expensive

@@mylesl2890 well this technology wil only get cheaper as years go by and more efficient

@@xray40gamez75 They said that years ago and will continue to repeat the same line for years to come.

@@starshipdriver8536 and ultimately it has - the original fuel cell vehicles were so expensive no one could really purchase them and the fuel cost was much more expensive. Now I see plenty on the road here in SoCal and yea fuel is still expesnive but not as much. not to mention the $15,000 fuel card they give u

We don't have the freezing of the fuel nozzle in Germany. Maybe America can learn something from German technology ⚙ 👍

Hence why we have the Mk 5 Supra that is basically a BMW Z4 underneath.

I never have to wait for an electric outlet at my house FWIW

Definitely lease a hydrogen vehicle, but I would also suggest renting a Tesla for a couple weeks too, try both out, see which fits you best. If you can charge at home, even from a regular 110v in your garage, thats 50 miles of range overnight with no effort from you.

@@brushlessmotoring I charge my EV on Level 1 and it works fine for my needs

BMW's hydrogen 7 cars were stupid, blowing up hydrogen in a combustion engine is the worst of all worlds. BMW is only making a limited number of X5 hydrogen vehicles thanks to government money, just like Mercedes did with the GLC F cell. Mercedes has publicly abandoned hydrogen for passenger cars, and BMW will too as soon as it completes the program. BMW, despite its early lead with the i3 and i8, is woefully behind on BEVs and doesn't have the money to waste on hydrogen.

I think Toyota is investing in both technologies to diversify and see where the market goes. There is a place for both either way.

@@gofaroverland7854 where is the place for hydrogen when there are no public refilling stations outside California, and no plans by anyone to pony up the millions to build them?

@@skierpage like any new technology, it will take a while to be adopted and for infrastructure to be built.

@@gofaroverland7854 Correction: like any new technology, hydrogen passenger cars may NEVER be adopted. Remember the Honda Civic GX and other NGVs, cars powered by compressed "natural" gas? Nobody else does because they failed. Even with California government contributing $125M for hydrogen stations, even with $15,000 free fuel, HFCV sales are poor in a state with a lot of wealthy environmentalists. With only two companies still selling the cars and no one else planning to join them, this is turning into the HD-DVD of passenger transportation.

@@skierpage Same argument for EVs and third world countries.

Your tax dollars at work! Search for "Why is California wasting millions on hydrogen fuel pumps?" - shocking numbers. $2,800,000 per pump compared to $50,000 for a DC fast charger and $2,000 for an AC charger.

@@ConsoleCombat yeah but it’s a much less efficient process to make hydrogen from Natural Gas than using Natural Gas grid power to charge an EV.

@@ConsoleCombat incorrect. Coal makes up only 40% of the worlds electricity production. It makes up 70% of the power required for steel production. But only 40% worldwide...Also the list of countries in the world getting their power from mostly coal plants is getting smaller and smaller. The US only produces 19.3% of its electricity with coal

@@ConsoleCombat China is currently building MANY coal-powered generating plants to gain a competitive edge. North Korea will sell China ALL the coal they want and MORE.

What percentage of electricity is green? In 2020, renewable energy sources accounted for about 12.6% of total U.S. energy consumption and about 19.8% of electricity generation

3 years of free fuel is pretty huge. It makes no financial sense to Toyota, but a few buyers can take advantage of their stupidity.

It's not a Camry. The Camry has a proper trunk and foldable back seats.

There are already full electric cars with 500 miles range that fill from 0-100% charge in 1 hour (not that you would bother doing that but still). Most of the time with a car like that you charge for like 20 or 30m and you are good to go. At what point does range stop mattering? Personally I’m good with 300 miles range and if I’m taking a trip I’m going to stop for 20 min every 300 miles regardless of what car I’m driving and it’s only going to get better.

As you saw in the video, poorly. 0 to 60 on a Mirai is a city bus like 9.1 seconds and 33 seconds to reach 100Mph. You could see in the video when he floored the car at 70Mph, basically nothing happened, it struggled to accelerate at all.

The fuel cell takes time to work. So yeah as soon as you drain the battery it’s way slower than gasoline combustion.